Karen Read Verdict Watch - What is the Jury thinking? 

How bout me? How can you have any of those skills if you’re in her colon?

50 PERSON CONSPIRACY VS ANGRY DRUNK SOON TO BE EX RUNS OVER BF. THE DEFENSE WITH ALL THERE HOT AIR GAVE THEM A CHOICE.

McAlberts cousins

@@sbmom7and that is why we watch a whole trial. Because you just stated a summary that was proved false in trial.

⁠@@sbmom7if there is one person like you on the jury… that is the problem! They stopped listening to the whole case and all the facts and evidence once they heard “cover up” because they think conspiracies are not real like they could never happen… only 5 people have to be in on the cover up NOT 50

No doubt you and your like will say the jury are also in on the conspiracy

They are not dog bites. They don’t even go around the arm, so how does that happen? What kind of dog bites a person and cleans up its own DNA so that it totally disappears? C’mon people. Use your common sense.

@@barbaramay1866But those wounds weren’t swabbed. Dog bites can and do often look like this.

@@barbaramay1866 Do you even know what to expect about DNA evidence? How prevalent would it be in wounds like this? Would environmental conditions affect it? Did the body come into contact with chemicals that would damage or hide DNA? How/when were the swabs taken? Were best practices followed? Was the chain of custody recorded/followed? We’re lab practices correct? We’re sample storage processes/conditions correct? These were all questions raised, and it’s why DNA evidence is not the keystone in most cases. This is real life, not CSI TV. However, multiple experts confirmed the wounds are consistent with dog bites. No person explained with certainty and credibility another cause for those wounds.

@@seashelle73 The sweatshirt was swabbed and there was no dog DNA. How could a dog bite through clothing and leave no DNA? Also, there is no way Chloe bit this gentle man. She was never trained as an attack dog. She was their pet. Normal dogs don't morph into viciousness even if there was a fight. The fight is insane to think they beat their friend to death and blamed Karen Read. I don't understand why people don't see that Karen Read is the one who has been trying to frame them for killing John. Even the Feds said John was never in the house and that there was no evidence of a cover-up.

@@kerwynbrat5771 try reversing at 24 mph. That is fast and if so no bruising broken bones etc?

He had plastic embedded in this clothing, the car hit his arm, broke the glass he was holding, the one the government provided experts were convinced he threw at the taillight despite the base of it being found near his body. A shame they didn't look at all the evidence.

I’m afraid this will turn into another Casey Anthony verdict. A juror came out and said they thought the prosecution had to prove how Caylee died in order to find Casey guilty. He said if they had known that wasn’t the case, they all would have voted guilty. In this case, I’m afraid the jurors think the defense had to prove the coverup in order for them to vote not guilty. I don’t think they fully understand the directions. That only the prosecution had to prove their theory beyond reasonable doubt, not the defense. And that if they can’t prove beyond a doubt that he was hit by her car, they should all vote not guilty. Either they’re taking time trying to prove defense theory bcuz they think they hv to, or we have 1 juror being stubborn.

Because she is…

@@KariN-or3scnot being stubborn but standing by their convictions.

​@@KariN-or3sc. There's alot to go over and discuss. It's not an open and shut case. Everyone is impatient and thinks something is wrong. A few days isn't a long time when the defendant is facing serious charges.

​@@claireclaire0166stop trolling. You cannot overcome the best engineers and doctors in the world that confirmed he was never struck by a vehicle. You're embarrassing yourself with your lack of medicine and lack of physics

Well I mean it's very dependent, say for example she/he has a medical appointment the fair enough, but if it wasn't something off utmost important then yes 3:40 finishing is crazy. They should be sat doing this till 8pm.

I was thinking graduation

On fresh snow to boot!!

unlikely

@@theroachden6195 Her defense fairytale is delusional. How anyone could believe that story is a head scratcher. What she said happened is impossible!

What was the eventual outcome?

@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28there were multiple charges so it was a mix but not guilty on the ones I was holding out on. Honestly everyone just wanted to leave. I really felt like I was the only one who took it seriously and was willing to stay until the right decision was made. I was also the only person who took notes the whole time. It was really hard to stick to my guns as I do not do well with conflict and the jury was mostly men.

It is ok (even encouraged) to use common sense considering ‘reasonable’ doubt. Many crimes only have circumstantial evidence.

@@hollyvickers2497 so the jury was hung on those charges then?

This wouldn’t surprise me - good point

That's how it should work, yes. All charges involve her hitting him with the Lexus.

My stepdad is nursing supervisor and he said the same thing.

Correct, the OUI charge is OUI with a hit and run. Obviously she was drunk yes but that’s not the charge here

I am a Forensic Nurse Examiner (trauma). These injuries are not consistent with a MVA. Just the lacerations on his arms are impossible to be caused by a tail light. Those are animal bites.

@@experienceofchris1108I’m glad he agrees. Does he also think she sounds a bit manic? And also think the whole thing is the typical shitshow with drunken trauma where the witnesses that should be able to tell who did what and covered up what can’t tell the real story cuz they were all too drunk? 🙄

I think we should start having a text in line to vote guilty or not guilty after streaming on lawtube. 😝

If it's a hung jury, it can be due to one or more stubborn people wanting to find Karen Read guilty and not necessarily a problem with the legal system. That's how our system works.

​@@maryb6872I don't care about a hung jury, Lally prob won't prosecute again. I worry about her being found guilty on the lesser charge, because reasonable doubt is glaring.

It does.

If it’s a not guilty, men need to be concerned.

There's gotta be at least one juror who's a McAlbert plant.

Here's how: Fact: Karen lied when she said she left him at the bar. Karen lied when she left VM to John stating she was at her home. Karen; (I believe aprox 5am), said "he's dead". Karen's car, aprox 5am, headed towards the crime scene right before she said "he's dead". Karen repeatedly stated "I hit him I hit him I hit him" (surprised CW didn't enter into evidence her attorney first stating she did it and was sorry it was an accident) Karen is the only one in the car, while in back seat, that spots his body, in the dark, not street light, camouflaged under snow. The other 2 in the car didn't even see him until she ran up to him. (and one of those witnesses DEFINITELY had no connection to the "conspiracy") She was drunk Data shows he never entered the house. Her voicemails and children's testimony indicates she has issues and "all was not well in relationship". Missing video from John's ring camera during crucial times. (definitely indicating cover up) Her "over acting" on the crime scene, classic of guilty people. Especially women criminals. And then during trial NEVER a tear, not even remotely close. In fact she laughs. If you can't see through this OJ style defense then you have a closed mind. And coincidentally; the prosecution was not very good, just like the OJ trial. She might just get away with murder like him.

AGREED

@@AliceBowie There may be one or more jurors incapable of that kind of reasoning.

Right! Case is drenched in reasonable doubt.

I avoided this case and actually didn't even watch the opening statements, but watched everything after that. I knew essentially nothing at that point. I am at a solid guilty verdict. Part of my thought process was watching one of the lawtube lawyers covering this trial and hearing her interjections and faulty reasoning, hearing the way she manipulated and twisted the testimony we all just watched to spin it in favor of KR and I realized I was watching a cult form in front of my eyes, but besides that, manslaughter has been proven.

​@@richardw3052the science convinced me not guilty and Jen is a horrible bitch who obviously is involved in someway. Prosecutions case was a high school drama class and defense was an actual case. There's zero proof he was hit by a car. So if she's guilty she hit him in the head with a bat or something.

@@richardw3052How? The independent experts said he was not hit by a car. Even the CW’s Medical examiner stated that his injuries were not typical to those of a car impact.

​@@richardw3052 I hope you're never on a jury.

I was in exactly the same position, and agree, it has to be not guilty purely because the injuries were clearly not caused by being hit by a car. I don’t know what happened or by whom, but it wasn’t a car!

Notice how they haven’t been there during all the call backs? I think it was an intimidation tactic at this point.

Seems to be the most reasonable explanation

No. They showed up for closing arguments to honor their friend, John O’Keefe. They did nothing to him.

@@barbaramay1866are YOU a friend of these dirty cops??? You seem to the only person saying this nonsense??

@@TararyzeMcg I don't know anybody. There are no dirty cops here! Jackson wants you to believe that these men who all have pristine records and have dedicated their lives to public service all lost their morals and integrity and reasoning by beating their gentle friend to death and covering it up. Karen Read is evil. She is FOS. She has destroyed the lives of the people who were there for her in the middle of a blizzard, and their other family members and their children! Why does anyone believe her? Why do people believe her insane story? Why do people think 50 witnesses are lying against 1 defendant? The people she's blaming were normal, good citizens, all working in different fields, all involved in their community. She is a terrible woman. She did this to them.,

He did have injuries below the head but Chloe’s bite marks don’t count

Blunt force trauma caused multiple skull fractures resulting in hemorrhaging of the brain. The blunt force trauma was getting hit by a 7000 pound SUV that backed into him at 23 mph. That is what happened.

Chloe is innocent.😇

This is a good point. Everyone is focusing on there being 1 guilty juror that the other jurors might compromise with. But there’s very likely 1 or probably more NG jurors who won’t compromise on a guilty verdict. I would be like you. I wouldn’t convict her of jaywalking if I thought the prosecution didn’t prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

Sadly that’s really common. If the majority think one thing or they just wanna be done they agree to it and get mad at the others who don’t and the time spent is convincing them to at least do one of the guilty verdicts.. I have seen it. It’s like they go in thinking guilty bc they wouldn’t be here if they weren’t which isn’t true and is very scary.

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Or 1 person who is evil or corrupt.

Wasn't it brought up a few times though? Plus the FBI experts are a little hint

Nope, Bev stated they were not allowed to mention that specifically which is odd since their investigation is specifically about this case.​@RichardZabielski-ql9ss

@@RichardZabielski-ql9ssno, it was not allowed in court. The closest thing that was said was the two defense experts were hired by an outside, 3rd party agency.

Same

No it's too prejudicial ​@@RichardZabielski-ql9ss

Bingo - I saw that too, and I agree

The jury were drawn from the county not Canton, but I agree with you someone might be dirty. Albert would of seen who was on the jury and pulled strings.

Or the Sandra Birchmore case!

Paranoid much? lol. You do realize that the defense approved all of the jury members.

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Well he should be outraged at the investigation into a fellow cop's murder.

Hi. Do you know what department the officer worked for?

WHAT ??? Ohhh nooo that’s JUST WRONG!!!! From Canton???

@@TararyzeMcg I agree. Where’s Peter???? Kidding. Family comes first but I can’t wait to hear his opinion!!!

If I was a defendant I would not want an ex-cop on the jury, and members of my immediate family were police officers.

To be fair, she thought she did. In the beginning, she didn't remember what had happened.

The fact there is no bruising is case closed for me

I don’t know how people think she didn’t hit him. It’s so obvious she’s guilty.

@@DL-cs6fzwhat about lack of bruising? And those cuts didn’t come from a tail light.

Also watching some video's from the following morning and there were marks in the snow leading from the gate (backyard) to where his body was found.

I’m wondering if the “fix”’is in, with this being a small town. I sure hope not.

It's gonna be one maybe two max haters that are on the jury saying SHES GUILTY and I'm not changing my mind!!

@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468same….

Think? Can you say beyond a reasonable doubt.

But if she didn’t, that means they must believe that countless people have lied on the stand. It means there has been a massive cover up. That would be extremely difficult for all jury members to agree on.

There seems to be doubt about being struck. Way too much doubt.

Ya but if they come to the conclusion that she did strike him with her car, they have a few other things to figure out. They are probably squabbling about involuntary or voluntary manslaughter. There's a really big chance we get a NG on the Murder & Hung jury on the rest. And I don't think the Commonwealth will bring charges again and want to go through all this embarrassment again. I live 2 towns away from Canton & the Commonwealth does not want to go through this a second time. They don't want the front page of the Boston Herald & Globe being about the "possible, corruption of their state police. They don't want the negative press they've been getting. So I think a hung jury is just as good as an acquittal in this case. Normally I would say a hung jury is bad for the defendant but in her case I don't think it is due to the state not wanting to go through all this negativity again.

There is more than doubt, there is clear evidence using engineering, physics, science, and medicine to show that he was never struck by a vehicle. I just pray that the jury is going through every single piece of evidence and discussing it with each other like we have had the benefit to discuss with each other for over a month the jury has not had that benefit. Hopefully we will get a quick Not Guilty by Monday

These jurors must be mentally challenged. Easy not guilty

Definitely reasonable doubt of being struck by a car.

You have no idea he was in the house anymore than he wasn't. Unless you were on Fairview Rd on Jan 29, 2022

There’s literally no proof he ever steeped foot inside. I think it’s more likely he got out of the car to take a piss like men do and he fell or got hit and that’s where he stayed.

Definitely, those perfectly aligned grooves are not dog bites .

Dog scratches?

Oh a ninja dog…. Left not a hair or dna…. Crazy!!

Mmm…maybe because she said it…?

@@claireclaire0166 People lie all the time and just because JEN said it doesn’t mean it’s TRUE 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@claireclaire0166 except nobody recorded this at the time. Weird.

​@@claireclaire0166what and jen remembers this months later after the authorities are pointing to thr mcalberts?.

She was also on John’s home WiFi while is phone was still active at Fairview. Something seems off if the jury is struggling.

Even when her own father said she hit something before she changed her story and came up with massive cover up defense.

I feel sorry for JOK's family and all the people who's lives are being destroyed by this insane media cover up campaign.

@@user-jx1fg8kq2byeah right

​@@user-jx1fg8kq2b she hit John's car

​@@user-jx1fg8kq2bI feel for them too. They have 2 years possibly hating the wrong killer.

Did they? By the glass cannon? lol..discount the DNA and the cars computer? Not a chance…their opinion is NOT A FACT…it was proven she hit him..car computer showed rear collision at 27 mph..DNA IN the housing?? Good gawd man get out of her butt,

@@PEBBLEZ21dna was NOT in the housing! Go back and listen to the testimony!

Right

@@lisag.6061 DNA absolutely was and the mitochondrial hair that was stuck to the vehicle. She hit him.

Look MVA’s are NEVER an exact science..trooper Paul has RESPONDED to many many heinous accidents..he may have been nervous and not known every answer but he got it the most right…I HATE YOU she screamed into the phone..why, wake up.

Ya, me, too. Rumor is one juror has been acting weird the whole trial. I keep thinking there are 11 people trying to argue with someone who had their mind uo before Day 1 of the trial started. I hope if it's a mistrial, the FBI will use what they know along witness statements from the stand to indict these crooked cops.

Nervous for the drunken raving lunatic who recorded psycho messages the day of the incident. What is wrong with people. Read is a disgraceful human being.

You are totally right. Seems like some people think if your on trail than your automatically guilty. It's awful. 😅

@@user-hy6qh4gb4j Yes, I was thinking about it more last night and I think that juries feel that the burden of proof is on defense. They assume if you've been charged, there must be a good reason, so if we're going to find you innocent, we better have a good reason. When the opposite is the truth. If we're going to find you guilty, we must have a good reason. It's backwards. The jury feels like they're going against something powerful if they don't find a defendant guilty.

It’s terrifying…I’ve gone to federal prison when even the judge didn’t want to sentence me to prison…your whole outlook on reality changes when you realize how easy your freedom can be taken…I had to plead because they would’ve buried me.

Agree wholeheartedly. Disturbed by people convicting her on their feelings not facts. Doesn't matter if she is a terrible person. She did not hit him with her car. Fact.

Or that they themselves are caught drunk behind the wheel

I had someone say I was acting superior to them… because I simply stated that the non-bias parties (2 deconstructionists hired by FBI and states ME) said that the injuries are not consistent with being hit by a car. Literally just using facts from the case. I gave up arguing with those people, you can’t fix stupid

You are 1,000% correct. In my humble opinion, I believe KR is not just not guilty, but that she’s actually innocent. I understand that the CW did not prove its case which makes KR at worst not guilty. My point is that I understand that at times KR may have come across as not likeable. However, that is not a valid reason to not find her not guilty. Neither is to try to justify (talk about irony) finding KR guilty because there is a dead police officer and JOK’s family deserves justice. I’m certain that the hold-out jurors know that the CW is not going to charge their own witnesses (at least two of the CW’s own witnesses were directly involved in JOK’s murder) with his murder. Can you imagine the mess they would have to clean up by charging several witnesses with perjury, then charging some of them with covering up the murder and then actual murder charges. So sorry for getting carried away. Mad props to you for standing firmly in your square. It is truly sad that there are people blind to the facts and for one reason or other, they choose to think that way. They have no critical thinking skills. What is also sad, this goes a lot deeper than just a matter of differences of opinion. The people that you described are the reason why our society continues to deteriate. I’m referring to people that are considered normal and are supposed to be able to think for themselves.

I have been thinking this the entire trial. I would forever believe that Mc-Albert’s have at least one person on this jury. I don’t see any other reason based on their behaviors I’ve seen. They seem too comfortable that it will go their way. Also the Mc-Albert’s sitting and staring and the O’keef’s sitting across from the jury staring at them seems intentionally done the last day of court and throughout the trial.

YES!!!

YES

Agree! Judge is way too lenient

No, we don't want people bending just because they don't want to stay for 9 hours a day. During deliberations, they don't get to leave for lunch. I'd rather have a hung jury than a guilty outcome, even on the least harsh count, because she isn't guilty, not of what they charged her of anyway.

True good point

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Oh yes.

That would be interesting

I only know of one female juror who got kicked out because she did not like when Karen was smiling ! FOR REAL ? No wonder you have tons of innocent people locked up. Get rid of jurys and leave it up to professional judges instead. Worst investigation Ive ever come over. Not only the things Proctor did but all the things he did not do. As securing that house to begin with.

I'd be scared of the cops if I was a juror and spoke out.

@@espencarlsenwhere can that be fact checked?

I've been thinking the same

Especially with the McAlberts staring at them

Are they ONLY Canton residents?

​@@mikepetrozelli7206no

​@@mikepetrozelli7206 No, not necessarily. They are most likely from surrounding cities and towns.

Malpractice is civil. There is no guilty or not guilty....

Yasss

Apparently not.

@@jq2147 i wonder how many deceenters there are in the jury. This case has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I have my own doubts in relation to karen read but nowhere near enough to convict her.

Actually, five experts said that his injuries were not (likely) caused by the vehicle…

@@soude85 1) second medical examiner at end the retired woman ER ph2) reconstruction expert last day 3) reconstruction expert last day Who else? I haven’t been able to watch every day lol. 4) ? 5) ?

This is hilarious!!!! Experts are often wrong. I mean, many times experts on both sides have opposite views. Jurors can disbelieve all of one side’s expert testimony.

@@David.Gaugamela the commonwealth’s own medical examiner said she couldn’t definitely say John’s injuries were caused by a vehicular accident

@@courtneylegaloff3851 when the prosecutors on experts say that it can possibly be one of several possibilities it is by default not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Why doesn’t the FBI tell us who they think it is

If there is a mistrial she should absolutely tried again. Why should she get away with murder?

Same same

In this case.. me too

Either the jurors are being extra meticulous and going through all the evidence that they have just to be extremely thorough and it was a very long case. Or, the vast majority know she is not guilty and there is one hold out and the rest of the jury members are working to convince that hold out that they are nuts and that no vehicle struck John which is the truth. I pray that we get a resounding Not Guilty by Friday or Monday

Thats what Im afraid of when it comes to American trials in general. The jury. They are probably dead tired and exhausted by now,......And that in itself is a "dangerous" venue to take right there. Norway out at 2:30 a.m

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I agree with that. Asking karen read is there something funny? Was inappropriate. I know the jury wasnt present but it shows how she feels.

She literally makes my blood boil when I watch or listen to her. Everything about her oozes favoritism towards the common wealth. The way she sighs and speaks is so disrespectful

She was annoying, but she allowed 3 defense witnesses in at last min in trial.. I have watched many trials and have never seen another judge do that so late in.

Sack this judge. Prejudice all the way.

She stinks, bad

Agree a 💯

Exactly. All these armchair quarterbacks think this is a one hour CSI show.

@@jq2147 I feel like Romans at the gladiator games. Just entertainment. Lives are at stake and the jury has to sleep with their conscience for the rest of their lives. Elisa Lam case taught me to take the internet’s opinion with a pinch of salt. 🤦🏽‍♀️

I don’t think that’s what they Are Stuck on. I think Peter is proceeding with caution because he knows what his followers believe.

@@mauiswift6391what are they stuck on?

@@mauiswift6391I think that Peter’s critical thinking is informed by science and physics, even though this makes him unpopular with some members.

Was she even there? Not one witness placed her there. Best we had is RN saying he saw a woman in a vehicle outside. Why won’t he just say it was her?

Im sure they are... which is really unfortunate.

I am seriously concerned about that especially guilty on lesser charge.

I think either way they will get backlash it doesn’t matter

@@KKonRU-vidthis point exactly. What’s happening outside of the Court needs to stop.

Or has connection with police

I think the FBI investigation isn't about the death of John; I think it's about the investigation itself.

If you know about this case and use your common sense, you will see the light. Everything points to her guilt. Nothing at all has been proven to support her absurd story.

@@barbaramay1866 no it doesn’t! Not one thing points to her guilt but you know what, the only thing that matters is, was a car involved? Actual experts, not troopah paul, testified that it was not a car that caused those injuries and there was no way a car could have caused those injuries as the prosecution is claiming. So, the CW didn’t prove their case, I mean most of the crap they were spinning was disproven but the car and JO’s injuries are the only things that matter in terms of the verdict!

Do you really think policemen from 3-4 agencies would band together to protect a cop killer AND frame an innocent woman?

@@stevewenc7362 It sounds absurd because it IS absurd. Could it be that she has pretty teeth and people just want to believe she's innocent for no other reason?

Look closer...the red bleeds over..

@@user-jx1fg8kq2b LOL. Don't believe my lying eyes, huh? Gtfo here.

She didn’t even flinch. That was staged. You should see the rear lx vs the traverse. It would Neva hit the taillight

A juror like that wouldn't even need to be a plant there are plenty of idiots in society

What did the medical examiner say?

@@GH-oi2jfThe prosecutions own medical examiner didn’t even agree with their version of events. How embarrassing.

@@GH-oi2jfthe MO said cause of death is undetermined. 💥 plus she agreed that the arm could have been done by a dog. Which it clearly was.

Definitely SOMEONE on the jury is being intimidated by the MCCABES and Alberts .

Will you stop with the conspiracies.

No. If it was the first bit of impropriety on her part then fine. But it’s like the 500th irregularity from her, and they keep coming, the bs jury slip being the latest.

I saw this! So crazy….

How sad it is - it took public scrutiny for a FBI investigation into Sandra Birchmore's death 😢

What’s her name??? This should be COVERED!!!

@@TararyzeMcg Sandra Birchmore

@@TararyzeMcg No!!! I can't take any more!!!

I initially thought same, she backed up to leave and had no idea. In the end she was a poor dd selection, whether she hit him or not, !00% resonable to doubt.

If that's the case then it is over.

Why should she get away with killing a man just because one or two people fell into her little cult of supporters?

50 hours of Lolly searching for papers.

If they have to go through all of Lalleys evidence they are all sleeping during deliberation.

Oh wow. I missed that part. If that is the case then the delay makes a lot more sense.

They only have access to the physical evidence

No they’re not lol

That one was definitely an easier nit guilty than this one .

​@bobthetitanic I don't think so.

@@mariee.5912that was highly charged and scary to think they’d get it wrong!

I started the Rittenhouse as definitely guilty...first time I watched a trial gavel to gavel knowing about as much as the States opening. I was as antsy as I am now for a NG by the end.

You have no idea how many are thinking what.

I agree, my money says 2 men.

agree two tops. Likely 1 plant.

@@carrollherzog3313 I would never discount that it is a woman, and I say this as a woman.

I’m thinking they don’t all truly understand what reasonable doubt means. It seems common sense to us because we follow these things. They need to realize even if one thing is slightly suspicious, that’s doubt and not guilty.

Is the fbi really not going to protect their own witnesses? Anyone else would get a nice visit, wonder if she’s not really retired or is an intel asset.

@@The_10th_Man she's not an asset to anything to anyone.

Same

Wow!! now the jury is in on it.

It's a small town. I wonder if there are some who are friends with LE and will just side with their version no matter what.

Or someone who is not looking at the evidence but is maybe dislikes Karen’s mannerismorvget sweet nervous smile Someone who clearly not fair minded abt the real evidence

I agree

truly unbelievable

IMO, I think she crossed the rainbow bridge, unfortunately. 😢

With the concrete from the basement floor, I worry

At the bottom of the pool that they filled in 🥴

They got rid of Chloe the same day. She was settled with someone in Vermont.

​@@johnmorgun9961the same day? It was a few months later

Except the car computer and DNA said she did..I HATE YOU??? Right after? She is guilty.

@@PEBBLEZ21 It does not. And you can't ignore the purposely inverter video. Crooked cops falsified stuff and the FBI who is investigating the crooked , looking for nudes cops were very clear on what the evidence shows.

@PEBBLEZ21 the video showing her leaving JO's house that morning proves the light was not busted out. You can literally see the entire light is intact and only cracked at most. The CW says the entire light was basically shattered. Look at the video. You can literally see the CW lied and KR was framed.

@@PEBBLEZ21there was no dna on the car from John! WTH are you babbling on about?

​@@OneBadAssMoMothere was DNA all over the car, which is to be expected from a shared vehicles. Whats more telling is there was absolutely no DNA or blood on or inside the tailight, despite is supposedly having shredded the victims arm

Yep and broke all the laws of physics. But people do seem to get lost in the details

@@alanasbaby7The last two witnesses were the objective & highly educated, experienced professionals-. No way can you even get to an accident!! What’s taking so long???

Wonderful point!!!!

Right?!

Yes, great comment. When I was on a jury I was the only holdout during a trial. I had listened very carefully during trial and took as many notes as I could. However, I was the only one to vote not guilty every time we did a jury count. None of the jurors words or explanations were convincing me to change my mind so that we could come to a unanimous decision. Then one day the foreman who happened to have a photographic memory in addition to excellent drawing, engineering and mathematic skills stood up and went over to the chalkboard in front of everyone to try to explain their reasonings to me visually by drawing certain aspects and scenes of the case on the chalkboard. It annoyed me at first as everyone's eyes were focused on me and I did feel pressured that he was putting me on the spot like that. But eventually by being able to see things explained visually like that I was able to see I was wrong and could humble myself enough to admit it and change my vote to Guilty. I agree with your comment so much because it's so true everything is very different when you're in the deliberation room. We as people are different ourselves such as in the way we absorb information and think like with my situation some of us are just more visual than others. Also we all communicate differently so we all have to get comfortable with each other and find that common ground to be able to work from. It has been such a long time since I was on a jury. I really hope I can do it again some day. Even though it wasn't easy I really liked being a part of the process. But now this trial is a whole other story lol.

Haha, I was thinking that earlier.

My question is can you discuss other things in the jury chamber besides the case.

I definitely had this thought. My employer pays us our regular pay if we're on jury duty, so I would not be in any hurry to bring a verdict.

That's my thought, too! I mean, they aren't supposed to know what a media circus this has turned in to.

So the car data a lie now too..Everyone lying except for KR..🤦🏼‍♀️

​@@user-jx1fg8kq2b you realize the car data is based on wheel rotation not GPS or actual distance. Have you ever slid on the snow?

Be careful.

The information came from the car's "black box."

​@@kirstenscanineconcepts8900did Jackson bring that up on cross? I hope so

Love itx