Kashmir Tragedy: Pakistan's Policy Failed but has India won? | Moeed Pirzada Analysis 

Amartya Sen views are now dated. Bharat is currently rushing into a Hindutva theocracy. Pakistan currently undergoing an existential crisis, the outcome is not yet determined.Kashmir is on a back burner for the foreseeable future.

hear it for the first time and couldnt agree more. Its funny that we under army dictatorship wants to liberate Kashmir.

Indian democracy has it's limitations and it doesn't work in any muslim majority area... not just kashmir.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiries. Pakistan and India should just get the hell out and leave us alone. You both countries are destroying or lives just to capture our land. And India and Pakistan should stop pretending that you give a damn about Kashmiries. You both are Killers Of Kashmiries. Freedom InshaAllah 💪 😡 💪

Why does Pakistan give death penalty to a guy for being Christian ?

No Kashmir was not peaceful since 1948. But Sia Ul Haq started the state funded terrorism in Kashmir in the 80s. We can't trust Pakistani's because, they hate India, and it is embedded in the brain from their birth with religion.

No comment on the 1947 jammu massacre where 100,000 kashmiri muslims were killed by hindu and sikh extremists? No comments on the 200,000 kashmiri muslims who have been killed, women raped by the indian army, eviction from homes, tear gas bcz they're demanding their right to plebiscite? No comments on the snatching of kashmir's special status abrogating UN's plan to hold a referendum? Stop the cap a'ight for God sakes, 89-90 kashmiri pandits and cry for it but not for the 200,000 kashmiri muslims

@@younisshahgillani9683 i think you have been drinking some unlawful chemical to say this

@@younisshahgillani9683 dont see UT of jammu and kashmir in isolation its an integral part of india

No brother Pakistanis can't think anything beyond religion..... For them If you are a muslim then you can cut throat of others and if anyone react to it is Islamophobic. They cry about kashmiris and other indian muslims but never focus on Pakistani hindus and how they are treated.... Forget about hindu they hate Ahmediyas , shias , hazara muslims also. They can bring religion in everything thing.

Thats good Deepak, but you can't generalize your own experience on the whole issue. I have been in Middle East for 16 years and had mainly Indian friends including Kashmiries. No Kashmiri had anything good to say about Indian activities there. Imagine being born in a place that looks like army barracks and hearing and seeing military attrocities on a daily basis. The mindset of the people will be completely different than ours. Perhaps its a little same in Balouchistan for us, but not exactly due to no religious divide.

Also your positive views are because you r the cream among the general public who thinks rationally due to education. I think India being the more powerful big brother can always play a better role, if our stupid establishment cant. Relationships are always in the hands of the elders and people with power. Agar ghar ka bara hi na chahay to kuch nahi hosakta.

Deepak you acknowledging that you are giving some sort of a favour to people in kashmir shows your discrimination in it self. They are in a constant cufew there is 1 uniform indian for ever 8 kashmiris in the region. Thats more officials then any jail on the earth.

I wish we may give our upcoming generation a bright thinking of two neighbours, who has same language, same thoughts same culture beside relegion which only being expolite by poliititon not by public, who has kindness and good wishes to each other, we may do it!! as public is more powerful than Siystdan, you may obvseve in Pakistan these days. Best Regards Imran

Indeed bro kashmir issue revolves around the whole kashmir region (azad kashmir, gilgit baltistan, jammu & kashmir, ladakh, aksai chin, trans karakoram etc.) But it must be noted that the worst kind of human rights abuses which includes indian army's rape with kashmiri women no justice for these women and punishment for the particular indian personell, tear gas on innocent youth, children and blinding them with it, missing persons case etc. All these just for one thing, give us the right to vote for ourselves of whom we want to join or want to remain independent and this has been ignored since 1947. Until india doesn't become serious regarding this issue, this issue will go on and the region won't move forward

@@younisshahgillani9683 Don't believe in all the news you hear from the media about the Indian army killing & raping civilians. We hear the same about your army in Pakistani Kashmir too. In fact it was proven that the Pakistani army did these things to the people of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971. The only solution to Kashmir is the 1948 UN resolution. But Pakistan themselves have failed to follow the 1st step which is to demilitarize in Kashmir before any plebiscite takes place. Honestly I don't understand why Pakistan wants Kashmir when with all due respect they aren't able to handle their own country. Economy on the verge of collapse, the PM himself admitting to be beggars, the political instability & various terrorist & separatist movements. Why do you want to spoil the lives of Kashmiris? Use the money being channelled for terrorism & army for education, infrastructure, agriculture. There is no point in fighting over Kashmir. Be practical, India is too big for Pakistan to fight & win Kashmir. Eradicate terrorism, progress your economy. That will not just help you but us Indians as well because all the money which is being used for defence can be used for the people.

@@younisshahgillani9683 part of Kashmir that comes under China is part of their Xinjiang province.Rings any bells???? Also please don't lecture us on human rights your army has used F16 and helicopter gunships on pathans and balochs. What they did to Bengalis is fit to be called a genocide. Kashmiris are our brothers and we will resolve our issues with them only problem is you keep sending terrorists to keep the pot boiling.

It's purely Kashmir. Resolve it and you will see the reality of peace from both sides.

@@masadmaqsood9997 No. Pakistan is only targeting Kashmir as revenge for East Pakistan aka Bangladesh. Pakistan never cries for the loss of Bangladesh which it once had, but daily weeps rivers of tears for Kashmir, which it never had. Why? Because India doesn't want Bangladesh but wants and has Kashmir. Kashmir is not the cause of Pakistan's animosity to India: it is the symptom.

@@masadmaqsood9997 And in any case, the fight over Kashmir is an irritant to India, but it is totally destroying Pakistan. So why should India do anything? Let Pakistan destroy itself for Kashmir; all India needs to do is wait. As time passes, India is strengthening, both militarily as well as economically. And the stronger India becomes the more dysfunctional Pakistan does. So time is on India's side and against Pakistan. All India needs to do is wait.

@@masadmaqsood9997 Lastly, all this argument by Pakistan for Kashmir assumes that Pakistan is a viable country and will be around to receive and keep Kashmir. It won't: Pakistan is a country here today, gone tomorrow. Pakistan has survived so far purely on donations from Uncle Sam. Trump demonstrated that by taking away Pakistan's freebies and immediately Pakistan began to collapse and is now knocking on the IMF's doors for the *23rd time* ! A hundred years ago there was no Pakistan. And in MUCH less than 100 years, Pakistan will be gone again

@@masadmaqsood9997 No it’s Ghazwa-e-Hind. Pakistan 🇵🇰 was founded on the ideology of Ghazwa-e-Hind ☪️. That’s what drives their foreign policy.

Excellent post! Jinnah was the best thing to happen to Hindus of India. He divided Muslims and robbed them of the power they would have had in an undivided (but still not _united_ ) India, thus handing over power to Hindus!

That’s is for the likes of you to figure out. Figure it out, don’t ask Moeed.

@@zizu1947 u reacted to one .wgat about zaradari SMUGGLING $ & building surrey place

What about you mind your own business

He didnt, they just stayed as they were forced under Liaquat Nehru Pact. He already said that Pakistan was created to kill, rape and loot non-Muslims.

Intelligent !

They why India begged to declare that as disputed territory. Nehru never considered Aksai chin as part of India. None of the Indian PMs before 2008 considered the Kashmir valley as part of India.

@@vinamrasinghai2339 Tu kaun hai, bay? Pakistani fake account?

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hindutva is reaction to jihad. India is secular state. Our education system is secular our society is secular. Our History book in school never used that muslims divided India, it only subtly criticise muslim league party. We dont read about 1948, 1965 1971 wars in our school curriculum. Moreover, oir literature books our language books of punjabi hindi english story peom books have equal representation of all religious identity indian heros. We read about Abdul Hamid indian martyr, khilafat movement, Abdul kalam our first education minister, Dr. AP j abdul kalam our greatest scientist, president ever. Every engineer like me had Dr. APJ saab as our ideal whether he is sikh hindu or Muslim. Even in all private and public schools there is no discrimination Hindus sikhs Jains parsis muslims christians study together play together. even going to each others home and celebrating festivals is common. Yes there is rise of radicalisation in India but it didn't start from BJP. Congress after emergeny in 1975, heavily relied on religion and started sponsoring hindu votes as before that it was heavily seen as muslim appeasment party giving over representation to minority in ministries, petrol pump allotments, free haj, Aid to 10s of thousands madrasas while taxing hindu temples. For Winning 1985 election, Congress created Hindu sikh issue by patronising differt sikh sects that had armed in fight later bhindrawala group grabbed power and become direct enemy of state. This mismanagement created religious divide in India. Further, after Indira gandhi death, Congress was weak so for muslim appeasement it over ruled the cout ruling of Shah bano case where alimony was demanded from her husband but due to muslim pwrsonal law board, Congress came up with new legislation in Parliament so it created religious tensions among hind and Muslims and congress was seen as Muslim appeasemnt party going beyond Constitution. To control Hindunresentment, popular measures were taken by congress like opening Babri masjid for Hindu pilgrimage, Ramayan and Mahabharat Hindu epic serial production which further infuse Hindu nostalgia about past just like Ertgul a fictional series has done in the muslim world. Later Incident of babri masjix happen. Muslims voters moved to regional parties like TMC, NC, Samajwadi party and others as they were disillusioned with convress. BJP gained Hindu votes. Over the time, BJP become stronger. and stronger due to incompetent dynasty opposition. Muslim waqf board should have dialogue with Vishwa hindu parishad and RSS for long term peace and harmony. Two things that can help muslims is by Banning cow slaughter and discouraging muslims not to kill cows. Most of mob lynchings in India is dominated by incidents where Muslim cattle traders were killed for selling beef, cow slaughter. So If muslims would respecr cultural sensitivity in India they can escape from reaction from Hindus who worship cows. Similarly, Ayodhya, Kashi and mathura r temporal holy cities of Hindus just like Mecca Madina. Ayodhya Babri masjid case is solved but yet There r big mosques in Kashi and Mathura built Inside Temple grounds sharing boundary walls to humiliate hindus by Muslim rulers so when ever evry year hindus go there they hate muslims more for encroaching their most pious temples in the world so it create religious divide. Matter is in court, hopefully these 2 temples when returned to hindu community, there would be less resentment in Hindu community. Better is that waqf boards should voluntary give back this land rather than court ruling, then it would create positivity and more harmoney. Indian state and billionaires r already willing to pay for land and construction of replacement mosques in outskirts of these holy city but Waqf boards had ego issues. Sooner or later hindus by court aquire these mosques so better is to do this voluneerly. Dialogue must be initiated among waqf board for better result rather than taking hard position. Waqf boards should understand cultural and religious sensitivity of Indian domain. Hopefully U learn from this comment as hindutwa is often misrepresented.

jinnah died due to liver failure which was due to his drinking whiskey. lanat quaid e ajam

Chutiye Gandhi has been dead for 75 years. And india is a Hindu majority country so we will work for the betterment and benefit of those people.

93% MUSLIMS lived in East Pak. Look What u did to them ?

In hindutwa India bollywood business cricket bureaucracy politics etc has considerable muslims. Can u say the same about hindus of Pak. Hate for hindus has turned u into katora champs. Very soon Pak will become a Chinese colony when loan payments fail

Correct! You cannot give someone something that you yourself don't have! Pakistan, which doesn't have stability itself, could never have given stability to Kashmir. See what happened in East Pakistan, and now happening in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The same would have been Kashmir's fate under Punjab, also known as Pakistan!

I won't comment on how you feel about india but i am shocked tum pakistan pe umeed lagaye huye the. Ye pakistani paiso ke liye apni maa ko bech denge Socho agar tumhaari maa inke haanth lag gayi jaise bangladeshiyo ki lag gayi thi to ye kya karenge.

Finally you learned that lesson, that Pakistan can't do crap! Koi baat nahin, der aaye durust aaye!

Like Moeed, you also should go over! Don't stay and eat Indian taxpayers' money!

@n rashid - do you really want to join a failed state of PK? Why? Pls note - independence is not an option as per UN resolution & an independent Kashmir will just turn out to be another Afghanistan. Do you want to be another Afghanistan?

@@ShyamKumar-zb2mw Correct! An independent Kashmir would be landlocked and therefore at the mercy of its neighbours for foreign trade and transport. Exactly like Afghanistan.

same can be said about India also.

@@vinamrasinghai2339 - fortunately for IN it turned out this way. It was not by design - but purely by luck coincidence. Now it is PK that is dying slowly by 1000 cuts. If you wish evil for others - it has a good chance of getting back to you......

Yes!! PK was even created by a very short-sighed person - who made so many confusing and contradictory statements that it is obvious that he had no vision for it's Pakistan. So it is not surprising that PK had only similar or worse leaders. 🙂

India really moved away from kashmir, pakistan topic long back. We only talk about Pakistan when ever tension between two countries rise other wise china is now main focus in news channels

Good question, then why do Indians wanted Independence? India was also begging around the world for food.

"A strong economy would have supported internal armed resistance in Kashmir" And this attitude is why internal armed resistance in Pakistan will have no shortage of funding, ever.

@Moiz - you can continue your support of internal armed struggle in Kashmir - but with the full understanding that internal armed struggle will eat away Baluchistan and KP. Are you ready for this eventuality after losing Bangladesh? I hope you are. 🙂 Today the situation is different: IN is doing G20 meets and arranging for investment from Saudis and UAE in Kashmir - while PK is losing control of KP to TTP and Baluchistan to BLA. Also - Kashmiris in IN have had a taste of development - which is making residents of PoK and Gilgit restless and wanting the same and be part of their brethren in Indian Administered Jammu & Kashmir. It will be interesting to see how you address their aspirations - when you cannot even address the aspirations of Punjabis. 🙂 So - my guess is the only option left for PK - is a face-saving surrender - which was what Musharaff had negotiated with Manmohan Singh. Now that formula will form the baseline to start negotiations with PK by Modi. Thanks to Musharaff - IN knows PK's bottom-line. Also - IN has created significantly advantages over PK in economy - and hence in negotiations - since the Musharaff deal was negotiated.

Balochistan gilgitbaltistan PoK KPK r going to be East Pakistan. Wait nd watch

Comprehensive....As an independent country, as a third option can be proved a good solution.

@@sherazaziz1869 no... Again, people in kashmir asking for independent country doesn't know E of economics.. An American economic analyst report on kashmir says, kashmir cannot survive in its own in that region.. So it's either India, Pakistan or China... Only separatist people who want to sell kashmir land to China in the name of development will talk about independent solutions... What will be it's economy? Tourism?😂🤣😂..dude, pakistan economy is on the ground and so is Sri Lanka and Nepal(which has better tourism than kashmir)... In 2022 starting a new country with new currency and constitution is crazy and an uneducated stand.. (Note: by the way, will kashmir independent constitution support anyone other than sunni? if you say yes, will they let you write constitution? 😂🤣😂) Ladakh will never join kashmir as it's Buddhism majority state and knowing last demography report on gilgit baltistan which shows 80% shia majority has been reduced to less than 50% in 2020 Shia will also won't stand with kashmir independence especially knowing it will lean towards pakistan and China ideology..

@@THUGPUTIN 1. Brits thought of India exactly what you think of Kashmiris. This is what constant colonial mindset does to logic. You are bluntly regressive. 2. E of economy tells you India's debt to GDP ratio turns out to be 90 percent and by 2022 India will hv to pay 80 percent of its debt. 3. More - a+b whole square generates additional 2ab. If you know what I mean.

This is what occupation of other's lands turn you in. Stone cold colonial. But be reminded economy is not permanent, wishes of people is and will.

@@sunsun2822 if pakistani want kashmir to be part of pakistan then they should follow two nation theory and take all muslim who live in india and give us our hindu sikh brother and then kashmir is yours are you agree with that?

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just a brainwashed lindu, nothing to see here.

Even Musharaf said the same thing.

The reason for Pakistani aggression will be found in their holy book. After Pakistan is taken over by the Taliban, India has to be ready to fight the great great grandsons of Abdaali and Ghori. So India, prepare yourself.

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@Digital Investing Guru If you have to ask that question then you are truly brainwashed and living in self-denial.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiries. Pakistan and India should just get the hell out and leave us alone. You both countries are destroying or lives just to capture our land. And India and Pakistan should stop pretending that you give a damn about Kashmiries. You both are Killers Of Kashmiries. Freedom InshaAllah 💪 😡 💪

@Digital Investing Guru - So what? It means that IN and Sardar Patel were smart and visionary in offering a swap between Hyd and Kashmir - and unfortunately for PK - the Quaid was so short sighted that he neither got Hyd nor did PK get Kashmir. :-)

Only country which came into existence by vote on earth from beginning of history is Pakistan. All other countries came into existence by force. Even today's 'India' was formed by military action in Kashmir, Daccan, Jungarh and Goa and many more lol.

well said and then some!

Your Sky is the limit is seen and felt by every Kashmiri. The essence of your rebuttal is since Kashmiris are overwhelmingly Muslims, the occupation howsoever brutal is justified. SAS Geelani did nothing to undermine peace process, he asked India to accept Kashmir as a dispute as their are no less than 13 UN resolutions testifying to that.

@@sunsun2822 dear friend, please READ the resolutions first -- where in it clearly states Pakistan withdraws all its Armed Forces and civilian support from J&K. Then ask your masters (Pakistan) to ACT on the same. Then speak of "UN resolutions". As for SAS Geelani, his impedance was testified by Musharraf himself as "a crazy Old Man" in his book. Mr. Geelani sahab (sorry to say) is the political leader of Kashmir with the highest amount of young Kashmiri BLOOD on his hands for exhorting the youth to "Jihad".

@@vherlekar Nehru had no intention of holding any plebiscite, there is a plethora of evidence to corroborate this, bottomline the lands of Kashmir are contiguous with the Northern end of the Indus Basin, we will always prefer Indus Pakistan to the historically foreign lands of the Ganga Basin & Deccan Plateau....And no we will never yield to all the brutal oppression you throw our way.

@@vherlekar 1. Glad that you thought I am a Kashmiri..so will respond to you with your assumption/s. Re "pakistani masters" Funny how an Indian sees a pakistani master behind a Kashmiri whoever calls out indian occupation and state terrorism. While if (IF) a Kashmiri wud be found in sync with indian narrative he wud be "a brother" till next atrocity. 2. Re "crazy old man" time proved who actually was crazy! One who believed he cud sell 4 point formula to an obstinate adversary or the one who fore-warned. 3. Re resolutions Typical indian narrative that falls on its head. Tribes men armed or unarmed are long gone. And even if they weren't...India by the dint of its brute force does not have a license to kill Kashmiris...Read AFSPA and DAA. India and none else has blood of innocents in Kashmir on its hands. Period.

Look at India, Look at Hongkong, Look at Canada, look at Australia, where would you wanna live?

Pehle ek accha bike bana le bhai...kashmir m world k sabse uccha railway bridge bana li

Balochistan Gilgitbaltistan PoK KPK should be on ur priority list. As far as muslims r concerned East Pak had 93% muslims. Why dont u shed tears for that loss ?

We shud let world leaders and intl media to visit both sides of Kashmir and ask them what they want. I agree.

😂😂😂only Muslims have problem, jammu and ladakh is peacful now. Demographic change is the only solution

What about other princely states?

India is a nation-state and people can change their country.

Your Army Generals are our friends. They get Paid $50-100 million every year by Indian R&AW to make Pakistan weaker and they buy properties in Canada, America, UK, Dubai with that Money. They also steal Billions from Paksitani Taxpayers' ever year, which we have made a deal with Pakistan Army to not expose as long as they work with us. But you Don't Worry 😊

That is already done by Pakistan.

The ONLY way forward is to forget Kashmir the way that Pakistan has forgotten Bangladesh/East Pakistan. If Pakistan can so easily forget East Pakistan, that which once WAS a part of Pakistan, then it can more easily forget Kashmir which never was Pakistan's. Pakistan's obsession with India has destroyed it. Time for Pakistan to focus on itself, not on India or things that are out of reach, and getting even more out of reach every day.

You can still go to Pakistan in case you live in India, we won't stop you.

True.

US would have come to help India..lol

Then also it would have been a disputed territory. What happened in 1965 war? Why Kashmiris didn't support Pakistan? Pakistan was never interested in Plebiscite - that is what everyone saying.

Pakistan was ordered during India-China war 1962 to "SIT QUIETLY " by master US and UK, and like a good trained puppy dog, it obeyed. Puppy dogs don't get to rule anything: they get kicked and fed leftover scraps.😂

Shahid bhai - the opportunity of PK providing solution to the Kashmir issue has been long lost as Dr. Pirzada says - and the initiative has been wrested by a proactive BJP in favor of IN. And that is the sad reality of Kashmir - should you choose to recognize it.

I have never read in the past 8-10 years the views expressed from the Indian side as Mr. Sanjay Chauhan's comment. Jari rekho Sanjay sb

Sanjay. absolutely I wish and hope majority of people will learn what you have described and prosper.

@@shahjee675 wud like to thank Dr Saab for the blog and creating this platform where Indians & Pakistan interact , helping in understanding each other. Thanks & Regards

@@mushtaqdarabu5982 I guess you are from Kashmir Darabu sb . lets keep interacting for the betterment and understanding of the Kashmir dispute to bring some sanity.

You non Marathi from Hindi heart land, what are you doing in Mumbai, go and find a job in Hindi cow belt the BIMARU states are the only reason for India's backwardness not Kashmir or pakistan

Because those are irrelevant. By your logic India should become a British colony.

Pok will be annexed.

Prosperity and Human Development Index of IN and BGD far exceed that of PK - for your information. And it is only in PK that its elite has performed an "elite capture" - and continues to exploit the poor. Meanwhile IN has a 400 million strong thriving middle-class - which is why it is such an attractive market. So, your point is??? According to me - it ought to be that PK is a failed state - while its neighbours have all made significant and substantial progress. :-)

Pakistan was not created for poor subcontinent Muslims.

Pakistanis feel comforted in their misery, if they can feel that India is worse or equally bad. Unfortunately for Pakistanis like you, that is no longer true and will be less true each passing year. India according to World Bank projections _will continue to be the fastest growing economy in the world_ for the next decade, while Pakistan will continue making repeated trips to the IMF with its begging bowl. That is, if it even survives this upcoming recession.

@@vinamrasinghai2339 Correct! Pakistan was created for the feudal lords - the rich Muslim _zamindars_ of North India. The other 99% riffraff just exist in Pakistan to attend to the feudal lords' needs.

Ahhh...... a non-deluded Pakistani, finally.... Aaah!!!! Why are people like you - who can recognize reality - so hard to find? Why are Pakistanis so deluded and can't recognize reality and have courage to accept it? I wonder - and wish I have the answer.

No, it is boring.

Possible, only if we follow Jinnah and Gandhi's ideas - that borders would be opened. The ball is in the Pakistan court from the very beginning.