KEF KC62 vs SVS 3000 MICRO! Battle of the Baby Subwoofers 👶🏻! Review of the Facts & Honest Advice

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KEF KC62 vs SVS 3000 MICRO! Which of these subwoofers would I buy?
In this video, I talk about both of these revolutionary compact subwoofers, which are designed to save space but provide maximum bass!
On the one hand, we have the Kef KC62 suboofer. It features a new dual opposing design, with 6.5 inch long throw drivers, uni-core technology, 1000w amplification, smart distortion control, P-flex driver surround and more.
On the other hand, we have the SVS 3000 Micro. It features the company's first dual opposing design, with dual opposing 8 inch long-throw woofers, SVS App for smart subwoofer control, 800w amplification with discrete Mosfet design, and many other quality features under the hood.
This video is just my opinion as somebody who has experience in the industry, and somebody who might looking to buy one of these micro subwoofers. Most people don't get the chance of demoing a subwoofer properly, and I believe the hard facts are very important when it comes to subwoofers.
Hopefully you enjoy the video - if you did or you didn't, tell me why in the comments below!
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@propercushty 3 года назад

---- UPDATE ---- I've just checked the figures on the SVS website again. It seems the Xmax figures they have given are for 'Total Excursion'. Therefore, I assume the 24mm Xmax to translate to a 12mm Linear Xmax (Linear Xmax measures the driver from rest position). So I imagine the Kef KC62 and SVS 3000 Micro are more competitive in terms of Linear Xmax in the real world. --- Pretty sure this video will get a tonne of dislikes (those KEF fanboys hehe). But me no care 👶🏻 Hit Like & Smash Subscribe to support the cause!

@cliff997 3 года назад

I prefer a real review with both subwoofer connected to compare not telling the story in the paper.

@propercushty 3 года назад

lol!

@carloscosta3514 2 года назад

I have the KEF LS50W II and bought the KC62 in the belief that I got a perfect set. The problem is that the KC62, incomprehensibly, turns off at low or medium sound levels. I've already talked to my salesperson and he said he reported the problem to KEF, but so far, after more than 2 months, they haven't solved the problem. In the meantime my salesperson lent me an SVS 3000 micro for me to try out. With the KC62 I could more easily get a good association with the LS50WII, but with the SVS 3000 micro, I have to use the app, but it's not easy for me to calibrate all those variables. Volume; Low pass filter; Phase; Parametric EQ; Room gain compensation. Not only is it complicated, but in practice I have great difficulty understanding the effects of each parameter on sound quality. And I'm not deaf. If KEf doesn't solve the KC62 problem (many other users have already complained about the same problem), I will have to stick with the SVS 3000 micro, in this case, how to optimize its functionalities with the KEF LS50 WII?

@propercushty 2 года назад

I empathise and understand your concerns around the calibration of the 3000 micro. The first thing I'd try and set is the phase alignment - look up a few videos on how you can do this. One in perfect or near-perfect phase, then you can adjust the gain to get the bass at the right level. If you can't be bothered with doing a parametric EQ (don't blame you), then you can use the Small Room Correction feature within the app - this should get things sounding a bit tidier in your room. With the stock profile, the 3000 micro can sound a bit boomy (it has more sub-bass than the kc62 and this is greatly affected by room gain). So, if you run that Room Correct feature you should notice the sound is much better presented.

@RiseFall123 2 года назад

@@propercushty do you mean Room Compensation?

@propercushty 2 года назад

@@RiseFall123 yes I was referring to the small room compensation feature

@clarencehoover6748 Год назад

Excellent discussion! My two cents as an electrical/control system engineer and a musician: 1) When someone says they have reduced distortion by X% using whatever technology or algorithms, the operative question is “Relative to what?” If they don’t disclose, then we are left to speculate. In this case I believe KEF is saying that using their proprietary technology, they can reduce distortion by X%, RELATIVE TO IF THEY REMOVED THAT TECHNOLOGY from controlling their drivers in this specific product. See the trick? They are comparing a fictional dumbed-down product against the final product they are trying to sell. Since both products are under their domain and you aren’t going to reverse engineer their system, it is hard to challenge such a claim. 2. I would argue that larger driver surface area means less cone excursion is needed to produce the same dB or SPL, all else being equal. The smaller your bass driver, the larger the cone excursion will need to be, and thus expect larger distortion, which if you have the money, you can implement some type of servo control - whether via sensor (accelerometer) or sensor-less (current field vector monitoring). Honestly, it is better to have less inherent distortion in your system than to come up with compensatory methods. 3. Think about your typical bass drum sizes. For jazz, it might be 18 inch diameter. But for most other genres, it is typically 20”, 22”, 24” and even 26” on occasion. Slam the beater on your bass drum pedal against the head. Get a feel for the impact and how much air had to move to get that punch to happen. Now think about what kind of excursion would be needed with a 6” cone driver to attempt to come close to a 20”+ bass drum. That is a tall order - a tough job to expect a tiny cone to approximate the mechanics of what a bass drum and drum head is doing. 4. Discrete MOSFET components in an amplifier are almost always a better choice than using an integrated amplifier chip. I would choose discrete MOSFETs or BJTs all day, everyday. Odds are, the discrete components will last longer if the designer sized them conservatory and used appropriate heat dissipation.

@olivrrrr 3 года назад

Nice impressions! I had a pair of Rel T5i a few weeks ago but one of them died so they went back! I've had one 3000 micro for a few days and compared to Rel, the SVS are night and day. The Rels are more relaxed making them blend nicely, but the SVS sounds more impactful, cleaner, faster and more in your face. I liked them so much that I went ahead and got another! Also, I love the SVS app!

@propercushty 3 года назад

Wow that's amazing! I think you're one of the first people I know about who has one of these subs now. So, I take it you are happy seeing as you bought another!

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@Shaken_AND_Stirred Hello mate. Happy to help with your question. SVS build quality is fantastic. I wouldn't believe the hype around REL build quality. They're good, but they are not in a different dimension at all. At the end of the day these guys have got to make a subwoofer at a specific price point - there is only so much they can do at that price unless they have serious cost advantages. If REL allocate alot of resources into the build quality, then that means less resources are directed towards the performance of the subwoofer. My preference is mainly for the audio - of course I want it to look nice, but the audio is what counts for 90% of the purchase in my opinion. But yes, I do think REL subwoofers look very nice. REL being good subs for music is another myth in my opinion: SVS subwoofers can be just as good (so can any manufacturer as long as they have expertise and the resources to do so). The sound quality also depends on how you set them up. In all honesty, the SVS subwoofers are alot more versatile in terms of setup than REL subs. With the 3000 micro you get tonnes of bass, and you also get a really good app to help calibrate your subwoofer perfectly. I hope to put this myth to rest in the next few weeks as I am getting my hands on a 3000 Micro as it happens! Hope this response helps you :)

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@Shaken_AND_Stirred It was my absolute pleasure to have helped you out :) If you're deciding between the SB3000 and 3000 Micro, I'd say it depends on the room size more than anything. I think it your room volume is anything larger than 1500 cubic feet, you would still benefit having the SB3000 over the 3000 Micro. The SB3000 will have that extra few dB authority over the sub-bass. In music this still matters in my experience. For example the lowest note on a piano is 28.5hz I believe. An organ's lowest note is between 8hz and 16hz depending on the pipe length. It's realy a myth that a 'sub for music' doesn't have to be as dominant in the lowest registers. If you're after the best possible sound and the most headroom from your sub: go SB3000. If you're after a lower cost sub and the smallest box possible, go for the 3000 Micro :) Just my opinion. Hope it helps

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@Shaken_AND_Stirred pleasure

@olivrrrr 3 года назад

@@Shaken_AND_Stirred Fit and finish is pretty similar. I would say its a draw with the gloss black finish of both brands. Svs micro is sleeker/cleaner and there's no heatsink sticking out. For a music only sub, I'd lean towards REL because they have better texture/definition bass. Svs gives you a more impactful and slammy bass that I tend to yearn when I had the REL.

@SamLGND 2 года назад

To create crossover with my Q-Acoustic m20 can i use the app or do i need keff speakers to get some of the apps features

@propercushty 2 года назад

not sure I understand the question - but if you want more precise (and easy) control over your crossover and other parameters then the SVS 3000 micro is probably the better way to go

@SamLGND 2 года назад

@@propercushty actually i am debating between the kef mini sub and the svs micro . But i live in an apartment complex and my space is limited , the apartment EQ of the KEF is really intriguing, also may have no choice but to place it in a corner , or wall & kef sub placement is also more forgiving with those EQ's for the placement. The only thing that pisses me off about the KEF is that i dont think i am able to fiddle through those eq through an app , id need to keep going to the back of the unit to change them, can you confirm this to be true? As far as i am aware of the micro dosent have thes type of EQs right? But ya the apartment EQ is REALLY nice

@SamLGND 2 года назад

Also can the kef do high passs filtering from the app with an other brand of speakers or not? Its not clear

@propercushty 2 года назад

@@SamLGND well the apartment EQ is just a preset that Kef have made - it doesn't mean it will necessarily sound better in your apartment. If you want the best sound then you'll always need to calibrate the sub yourself - the SVS app gives you more tools to make your calibration more precise (and it's really easy - you just do it from an app on your phone). The Kef KC62 is more of a one-size-fits-all subwoofer - it's a bit more plug'n'play if you know what I mean. I think the SVS micro is the better all-round subwoofer (especially if you like watching movies) . But they're both really good subs for the size

@propercushty 2 года назад

@@SamLGND yes the kef can do high pass filtering i believe ( and I actually think the SVS does not have this feature). It only matters if you want to connect speakers and you want to cut the speakers range off - for example if you want there to be a crossover at 80hz you'd set the high pass filter to 80hz and your speakers would crossover at this point. This has some advantages because your speakers aren't expected to run full range - so it's basically taking alot of stress of the speaker because sub-bass frequencies demand the most movement from a speaker driver (and hence more distortion). So, I would say if you have quite small bookshelf speakers having the high pass filter could be an advantage. If you have quite large bookshelves or floorstanders, it becomes less of an advantage but some people will still benefit from it (especially if you have big space to fill)

@gvr6079 3 года назад

Getting a subwoofer to integrate with speakers when only listening to music in stereo is not as easy as looking at specs, believe me. Many people has gone down that rabbit hole.

@propercushty 3 года назад

You're right but it plays a major role in the buying process - you can't go off people's reviews either. Their rooms have different acoustics to yours, different ears, different tastes..best is to buy both and test yourself..next best thing is the specs as it is actual fact rather than subjective

@gvr6079 3 года назад

@@propercushty Bigger drivers is also not always better when it comes to quality of base compared to quantity. Good for you if you believe all specs as actual fact when it comes to manufacturers.

@persuadertron6454 3 года назад

Wtf. What is this bullshit? You need the subwoofers on hand to review them homie.

@propercushty 2 года назад

see latest videos

@rushgush 3 года назад

ironic how videos and reviews are coming out and people are loving the kef, regardless of the price. 😎

@propercushty 3 года назад

amazing

@audioaficionado9494 3 года назад

KEF sub is made for KEF speakers. I like the SVS app and controls. Price is nice too.

@rangajiramachandran7979 3 года назад

Awesome compare. Would it be good to upgrade from sb2000 to 3000 micro ? With a 2200 sqfeet room?

@propercushty 3 года назад

I think going from the SB2000 or SB2000 Pro wouldn't really be an upgrade. You will probably lose bass extension and output. I would only do this if you don't have the space! You'd be better off upgrading to a SB3000 or if you want a lot of output then go for a ported model like PB2000 Pro or PC2000 Pro!

@rangajiramachandran7979 3 года назад

@@propercushty hi. Thanks for the reply. It's really more of a WAF issue. Was thinking now one 3000micro and later one more for a dual micro setup.

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@rangajiramachandran7979 Sounds like a good idea. If you are crossing over above 50hz it would make a lot of sense to consider 2. The lower your crossover is set, the less of an argument 2 subwoofer becomes I think.

@rangajiramachandran7979 3 года назад

@@propercushty yup. Makes sense. Thanks again.

@FyyMyy 2 года назад

You make a review without even listening to them? WTF 😂 If you only compare facts of speakers/subwoofer you are scratching the surface. It’s so much more than this. Don’t call this a review. Thx 😉

@bibleredpill 7 месяцев назад

6.5 is the same as 8 inch?

@macydezort 3 года назад

Good video. Keeping it real as always 💯

@propercushty 3 года назад

Always mate 💯

@kevaljoshi4603 3 года назад

Hi Man I had the kc62 and although it was really good .. I gave it back as it wasn’t turning on straight away. I have no ordered the svs micro so let’s see

@propercushty 3 года назад

would love to hear what you think! once you know don't be shy come back to the channel and let me know mate!

@kevaljoshi4603 3 года назад

I gave the svs back .. didn’t have the depth or impact as kc62

@kevaljoshi4603 3 года назад

I gave the svs back .. didn’t have the depth or impact as kc62

@cosmicvibez661 3 года назад

@@kevaljoshi4603 my kc62 works really well. It wakes-up when needed. You need to set the crossover around 60

@hclandscapes 3 года назад

@@kevaljoshi4603 that interesting as i have been considering the svs micro, but after reading this i might give it a miss

@keithpayne1882 3 года назад

Excellent review 👏

@propercushty 3 года назад

Thank you mate - appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it :D

@carloscosta3514 2 года назад

The real problem with the KC62 is that it turns off at low volumes. It's a very annoying problem. We don't always feel like listening at very high volumes and, on the other hand, in certain situations we can't. Many people complain about this problem, but KEF doesn't seem to be able to solve this serious problem. I have already sent the KC62 self to my seller, who has already contacted KEF, but so far, after more than 2 months nothing. I connected KC62 with my LS50W II, in manual or LFE mode, but the problem persists, What should be a good set is compromised by the KC62 problem. Unacceptable!

@trexabyte9943 Год назад

kef kc62 for sure the better sub. absolutely no comparison. kef even outperforms rel

@user-gz6tx6yp3v Год назад

Depends. The REL's like the T9x have better ability in the mid range so you can even set crossovers at 100hz and REL will handle all those details, but won't dig as deep as the KEF, until you get to high volumes where the REL is stronger. If you have a small room and don't need high volumes the KEF is the best choice, but for a bigger space and more musical up top then the REL is where it's at.

@royr5527 3 года назад

This would be a nice bedroom subwoofer.

@propercushty 3 года назад

Yeah I would completely agree. I am considering something along these lines for my new setup at my desk!

@bartbarelds8454 3 года назад

How would you rate the 3000 micro vs the 1000pro?

@propercushty 3 года назад

If I were to estimate, I think they would be very similar in terms of performance. The 12 inch driver on the 1000 pro should give it a slight advantage over the 3000 micro, but only slight. The only issue is the 1000 pro has limited amplification compared to the 3000 micro (I believe it is 325w vs 800w). This amplification may limit the potential of the 1000 pro's driver. Take into account you also save a bit of space with the 3000 micro, and you also have smaller drivers (which some people claim would sound 'tighter' and a better match for smaller speakers). That might be true in limited cases, but it depends on the quality of the magnet system behind it too. However, if we compare to the SB2000 pro to the 3000 micro, then the SB2000 pro would win hands down. I'm sure that subwoofer can dig deeper than the 3000 Micro from the figures I've seen and the user feedback I've seen online. Those two models are also more similarly priced, so if space is not an issue, get the SB2000 pro I think.

@bartbarelds8454 3 года назад

@@propercushty i own the 2000pro and love it! I got it in januari and cant help thinking “might have preferred 2x 1000pro” 😅

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@bartbarelds8454 Oh no way mate! Don't go backwards! Get another SB2000 Pro and do your mother proud! Hahaha. In all seriousness, don't consider the 3000 micro unless you have a very picky individual in your household who wants it smaller!!! I always thought bigger was better hehehe 😅

@bartbarelds8454 3 года назад

@@propercushty thnx for ur thoughts mate! I’m not changing anything soon as i’m seriously happy with what i’ve got right now! My SVS SB-2000Pro pairs with a set Kef R700 floorstanding speakers driven by a Denon PMA-1600ne. Since the sub only “helps” the Kef speakers and i primarily play music i don’t really need anything more.

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@bartbarelds8454 Oh I seee...that makes sense. The R700 can definitely handle its own very, very well. It certainly digs deep that speaker. I heard the R7s just recently and if anything there was too much extension! Lower notes had to be turned down due to room gain boosting the bass! Yeah, I say stick with your 2000 Pro as planned...that is, until you 'get the itch' that is! Then you can come back here and we will talk upgrades again haha!

@hclandscapes 3 года назад

Still waiting for your reports on these two, any news yet?

@propercushty 3 года назад

Hi mate. Sorry about that. I haven't forgotten but just been away from channel duty for a while at the moment. Got a lot of stuff on. I mentioned you in my subscriber update video (about to be published any minute now) You can watch it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-12-kRVDuXnw.html

@faiosung Год назад

you will be ok to return with amazon or richer sounds

@ayokay123 3 года назад

I'd wait until KEF comes out with a model that uses 8" drivers, which I suspect won't be too long.

@propercushty 3 года назад

yes that's true but going by the kc62 price, then i'd expect this unit to cost more than 1500 quid!

@ayokay123 3 года назад

@@propercushty True, which will be rather unfortunate. This all reminds me of the "who-can-be-smaller-and-more-powerful" Sunfire vs. Velodyne wars of the 90's. It was those wars which opened up a slot for the competition to come out with smaller and better performing subs. What's funny is that if SVS hadn't sold the business and moved to a dealer model, their pricing would be even more affordable than it is now. Personally, I think SVS wins this particular battle hands down because you can buy two of the micros for one KEF.

@propercushty 3 года назад

@@ayokay123 yeah exactly! I think the trend has re-emerged as people get greater access to Dolby Atmos content, so the mainstream household now needs a sub to get access to that content. However, a 15 inch beast isn't going to cut it. But yeah I'd go with two SVS micros any day. I'm about to test the SB2000 Pro so let's see how close the micro gets to its bigger sibling!

@dennisl.7613 2 года назад

The have come out with 9" drivers. KEF KF92 - black only

@propercushty 2 года назад

@@dennisl.7613 kf92 came out before kc62 i think? - and problem is it is double the price over nearest competitors..no matter which way you look at it, it does cost alot of money when you go Kef Must definitely be a good subwoofer though

@whitecrowuk575 2 года назад

Nice impressions but sound little biased - you can’t say this will be better by few percent without measuring it. What I gather people prefer kc62 to SVS micro so seems the smart they put into makes 6.5inch better than 8 inch SVS and that tells us a lot. Without making accurate measurements you can’t make any conclusive review. You can’t compare smart sub vs regular one based on spec - absolutely impossible and is prone to bias.

@propercushty 2 года назад

I've actually reviewed both and had them both here. See the more up to date reviews. You can say what you like but there's absolutely no way two 6.5 inch drivers are going to outperform two 8 inch drivers on clean SPL. The only way is if the excursion is there - but higher excursions mean more distortion and I don't think smart distortion control is that smart lol. There is a limit to what it can do. I have had it here and I seen it for myself. KC62 good sub but lacking some key features and overall it's not better than 3000 micro as for movies it's really not at the level. Would you rather buy two 3000 micro or one KC62? The price difference is almost that much in the USA. KF92 alot better as an overall subwoofer, but that costs too much. You can buy Arendal 1723 2S for £100 less than KF92. And that's got 21 inch driver area. I can assure you it's not bias - I am not being paid by any of these companies. I buy the products and review myself. It's actually the polar opposite of bias. If you want to listen to 65db audio with +20db peaks (nearfield), go ahead and buy the KC62. That sub is not on my list though. I'd rather Dynaudio 18s studio subwoofer for less money and more output. There you go.

@rainforestdiscoverycentre3368 3 года назад

Sorry, but you should listen to it. As such, I wouldnt consider this a review. Click bait. Again, sorry.

@propercushty 3 года назад

thank you!

@Kevin-br9gu 3 года назад

That wasn't a review it was a comparison of white paper specs and highly opinionated feelings surrounding them. None of this will help anyone get close to knowing how either product will sound or preform. Anyone that seriously listens to music through a hi-fi will tell you that specs are nice to look at to confirm what they're hearing in the real world but rarely are they useful otherwise.

@propercushty 3 года назад

Yeah, hence why you shouldn't watch reviews on youtube and you should just test them yourself. But then again people still continue to watch videos and write comments. Please explain the logic?

@FyyMyy 2 года назад

Agree. This is not review. I can read the spec sheet by myself. What a waste. Music is more than specs. He is missing the point.