Ken's first sentence is already a lie... He refused to participate in the show as well as many others. How can there be two sides when one side refuses to add any input? KK... Remember there's still redemption
This guy has not changed at all. He is just as bigger narcissist as he ever was before. What defendant would want kratz representing them in the future!?
Why is that funny? He has a pen in his hand...... Big deal. Look how many people have phones in their hands that don't intend to make a call. But you don't find that funny I bet.
he went through a 27 day trial where he was constantly asked the "tough questions".. are you serious? A vetted unbiased jury of 12 heard 206 hours of deliberations and unanimously gave a guilty verdict. Yet you watched a biased documentary and have it all figured out. Avery admitted to the murder in prison to his cell mates, giving details to it only the killer would know. He also mentioned if released he wanted to "turn his basement into a sex dungeon for kidnapped women". Dudes a sociopathic murderer that got what was coming to him.
@@lawman34 , Unbiased jury??? You need to take a look at the ury members again. Nobody would have gotten a fair trial after Ken's press conference. And no, stop that crap about Steve saying he was going to turn his basement into a dungeon and murder women !! He doesn't have a basement,fool....You are only regurgitating Ken's bullshit.
@@marilyncarter6424 Apparently, you haven't the slightest clue how jury members are chosen. If you're not willing to believe an inmate who has no dog in the fight then I guess you lack critical thinking skills. Keep believing what Netflix wants you to believe though, ignorance is bliss.
@@lawman34 You write "he went through a 27 day trial where he was constantly asked the tough questions". Are you serious he was the prosecutor he asks questions, he does not answer them.
I encourage you all to read twhat Ken K did to that poor woman. She was left for dead by her bf and Ken K was suposed to prosecute him and he would only do that if she "complied". Sick,
Why do you focus on this issue when Teresa's bones were found in a burn pit directly behind Avery's trailer. The real issue is how is it possible for a third party to move and burn Teresa's body in a burn pit directly behind Avery's trailer. Avery probably wiped down the steering wheel but forgot about the cut on his hand which left a blood stain on the dashboard. If you believe that Avery did not commit the murder then you have to believe that either the police or the "real" killer burned Teresa's body in that burnpit without anyone on the Avery property realizing it. That is impossible to beleive
@@milart12 is there any proof those were even Teresa bones? To my knowledge no DNA test were performed on the bones and some of them have even turned out to be bird bones.
@@aubreunbray5761 Yes of course there was substantial evidence that the bones were Teresa's. Don't you think that the defense would have made a big issue out of the fact that they were not Teresa's bones if they could have ?There is not a scintilla of a doubt that bones were Teresa Hallbach.
They had an M.E. Aside from her not being allowed to be involved with the case due to it being lead by another county, she was unqualified to identify burned remains.
Well she really not a trained coroner she was a nurse. And since there was an active lawsuit the county was not supposed to do anything other than perimeter. So outside investigation by an outside agency was necessary. So it’s easily explained
@@paultallo5969 What "was a huge piece of evidence in the case"? That Prof. Jeffrey Jentzen, the leading medical examiner in the state, was called in and not Nurse Kakatsch, the Manitowoc County Coroner at the time?
They were convicted by a jury of their peers. A whole police organization, every individual cop, as well as their family and friends, all the people involved and everyone around them, that there hasn’t been one whistle blower. Not one.
@@YourDrawerness Steven was convicted by a jury of his peers in 1985, by the same crooked law enforcement, who let the guilty one rape and assault other women. This law enforcement left Steven in jail for 18 years and no one said anything. Why aren't Stevens' blue eyes brown?
"I released that rather than prove this case beyond reasonable doubt, I had to go beyond that, almost to beyond all doubt" Pretty good motive to doctor and plant evidence to make the crime fit don't you think?
I don't know if I don't believe Ken Kratz or I just don't like him. With or without the documentary, he seems unlikable. Could have to do with all the online hate but judging by his past, he seems like a bad guy who is just trying to behave himself now that he got caught.
Still trying to figure out why he moved to Superior Wisconsin. Maybe the farthest he could move in Wisconsin and still use his law license until he lost that. Total pig of a human.
First off ..... you were asked to be in the documentary but refused ! Now you claim it's not a fair documentary because your side wasn't included ! LAME !
I Don't know how it can be said that American justice is the best in the world when clearly they have a lot people serving prison sentences for serious crimes that have huge question marks hanging over the validity of the convictions.
He was waiting for the right time to use the car crusher. Can't crush a car when his dad or anyone else is there without suspicions from them. But honesty, he would have been better off just driving it into lake michigan or the manitawoc river.
Shane Campbell yet he managed to clean up a crime scene after someone was allegedly stabbed multiple times, had a slit throat, then stabbed in the head?
@@Seargent_Scraps But don't forget he took out the battery cables, so there was no way of moving the car from that parking spot... Whoever put it there, definitely knew it wasn't going anywhere.
MaM creators should be in prison for defamation. Seeing thousands - millions of people so easily convinced to simp for a sadistic murderer is evidence of how moronic people have become.
I couldn't stand Kratz after watching MAM. He is far from a perfect figure, but his humility to own up to his past says a lot. Beyond that, everything they omitted & spliced in MAM is huge.
And cam did the same thing lol you do know it was kratz that went to his number one fan and asked him to make cam lol yeah not bias at all..gtsy Hawkeye 😁
Why does Kratz never do debates with the people who actually know these 2 cases. He will only go on air with those who don’t know the case well, will flatter his enormously fragile ego (is anyone shocked he’s a Trump Supporter too?) and ask him not one well informed question. This is why Kratz is universally seen as a pathetic narcissist and like his hero Trump, the ‘cruelty’ of his prosecutorial misconduct is the point
Ken Kratz "let's be critical thinkers then" Ok, care to explain why Item FL was only found on March 2, 2006 (despite previous searching of the garage) AFTER Mark Wiegert told Brendan Dassey "who shot her in the head?" and hence breaking protocol by SUPPLYING privileged information TO the suspect? Care to explain why Item FL had no noted blood, skin, hair or tissue yet when microscopically examined had no bone shards but wood and red paint? Item FL hit no bone and was not linked to any cranial fragment. How could a low velocity bullet go THROUGH multiple layers in a human body and then hit wood? Why did Sherry Culhane keep DNA SWABS from Teresa Halbach at her lab bench potentially contaminating the PCR TUBE? CARE to explain why she used up ALL the ITEM FL DNA in her PCR, so it no longer can be tested? Care to explain how the evidence from item FL was permissible when her OWN laboratory protocols dictate that NO RESULT can be obtained when the NEGATIVE CONTROL was contaminated with Culhane's own DNA? HER request for a deviation form was only for exclusionary NOT inclusionary purposes. Now you did tell Jim and Sam that, right? Did you also mention that the FBI's new EDTA test had a detection limit and that no one knows what happens to EDTA that was in blood that was from 1996? Because it wasn't detected, doesn't mean it was not present but it had degraded because of the passage of time. Did you mention that despite actively bleeding there was A LACK of blood where one would expect to see it when you consider he drove the vehicle with Brendan down to the pit? Care to explain why no blood was noted underneath the hood especially on the battery lead? Did you mention that there was a third genomic DNA PROFILE (as BLOOD) found on the outside door latch on the back of the RAV4? You know, item A23, the sample that Culhane was forced to discuss yet did not reextract and run through CODIS. BOTH Steven and Brendan were EXCLUDED as depositing A23. So who was bleeding? It could not have been Teresa's, otherwise Culhane would have said so. Kathleen Zellner's blood splatter expert proved that the blood on the back door was not from being flung into the back of the cargo area, but from blood flung from an object like a hammer. This was recreated and matched the angle of the blood strains on the door. Who claimed the victims blood was planted? A dropper can recreate the 6 drops of blood found to belong to Steven Avery and it would of taken 2 minutes to do. I agree the hole in the purple top blood vial is non nefarious but the blood vial WAS opened as evidenced but the presence of dried blood near the lip of the tube. Air was introduced into the blood vial. What was Lenk, Colborn and Remiker doing at the ASY, yet the State's Coroner was barred from it and she had nothing to do with the Penny Beernsten case? Why was no forensic evidence belonging to Teresa Halbach present on the key and fob considering she used the key for years? If Steven lied about Teresa not showing up why did he keep the Auto trader magazine in his bed room yet forensically clean his trailer? You can not prove Brendan Dassey ever encountered Teresa Halbach. Brendan was with his brother Blaine when he got off the bus and both went straight home. Why would he accept a plea deal if he never committed any crime? Kachinski and Okelly were working for YOU (the State) and not in the best interest of THEIR OWN client. BRENDAN was 100% coerced and Judge Duffin agreed. Why is Brendan still in Prison? Why didn't you place Brendan on the stand to testify against Steven? No forensic evidence pertaining to Teresa Halbach was found in the trailer that included the carpet, the wood panelling on the walls yet left his his blood on the floor and HIS DNA on the cuffs. How do you explanation that if he meticulously cleaned his room? Why was no blood found in the garage except Steven's? Wait, he butchered Teresa in front of his Nephew yet he left the RAV4 with HIS BLOOD in it? Why not drive it to the quarry and burn it? All Ken is doing is speculating on his theories. Everyone knows, except the MTSO, that most people are killed by those who know them the most. This was a case of tunnel vision from the get go. The MTSO did exactly this previously with the Penny Beernsten case letting the REAL rapist Gregory Allan to terrorise women for 10 further years. If Wiegert phoned Colborn previously with details of the missing vehicle why did Colborn phone dispatch? Let me guess, he doesn't write anything down until several years later? If there was a tonne of bleach in the garage then how come DNA was found on the bullet (item FL) and that Stephen Avery’s DNA was found in the garage on the ground? WHY, despite jack hammering the cement was no blood found belonging to Teresa Halbach? Why were there no "pools of blood" in the back of the RAV4? Umm...Ken, you still are a full on Narcissist - it's in your DNA. It is interesting how you blame your behaviour on drugs and your sexual addiction and then try and trivialise it yet you label Stephen Avery as a rapist and sexual deviant without any evidence. Have you know shame? You have no qualms giving a damaging press conference on March 2nd, prior to any trial, yet you complain your sordid details are leaked to the press to "ruin your life"? Pot, kettle, black. Your drug of choice was sex, Ken? Is that where you got the idea that Steven was sweating when he answered the door to Brendan or did you get that from listening in to the phone calls between Steven and family members and friends? Is it any wonder that 75% of verified Amazon customers that your book 1 star out of 5? Your interview detailed exactly why Ken. I just hope your nemesis Zellner puts you on the stand to test the voracity of the forensic evidence against Steven.
Correct. There's too many things that doesn't make sense. The worst part is that they took down an innocent mentally challenged 16 year old boy, just so they concrete things against Steven. Brendan would have said he could walk on water if you asked him enough times.
They asked Brendan Dassey "Who shot her in the head?" because of the obvious fact she was shot through her cranium. They don't need a bullet to know she was shot. However, you do make some good points that cannot be explained away, and the truth is neither good nor evil, it's ugly. Shitty cops prosecuting a shitty person. As much as you want to give Avery the benefit of the doubt, you simply cannot state there's no evidence to convict him. Brendan Dassey should never have been charged. It's just a shitty situation all around.
Ummm, ok? So in your mind, because Avery is worse than Kratz, then Kratz’ past discretions are ok? Ok, Got it. I think someone else with a decent moral compass would have been better to be the narrator of a man with no moral compass. I never said Avery wasn’t guilty. I believe he is. I also believe Kratz is a pos in his own right. Two things can be true at the same time.
@@Finneganbeginagain1well its more about Kratz convicted Avery and has a sexting harassment conviction that came after it. Avery has a past of rape ,sexual harassment and violence. After this he got convicted for rape and murder. I dont say something happened or doesnt but its 2 different things
@@PLou-ne9jbactually Steve Avery never had a history of rape. Nothing really of a violent criminal history other than a cat when he was young. Not to mention the same cops that Kratz said were good cops actually framed Avery in 1985
I wonder if there are body language experts watching how much KK squirms every time a key piece of evidence is brought into the conversation? Or when he they are discussing his sexting and abusing his position scandal. I sure hope so as all his fidgeting and pen twisting, stuttering, uncomfortable facial expressions are sure making me look at him a lot closer. He seems to be sweating quite a lot too.. maybe that's the sweat DNA he was talking about.
One of the best pieces of advice for job interviews I ever got was to have something to write on and a capped pen. Having the pen gives your hands something to do that is fairly hard to notice and keeps you from doing something more noticeable. The notebook and such is to give you a cover while you put your thoughts together for a question you maybe didn’t rehearse or for something that is a longer, more complex answer but you don’t want to come across as rambling. I used it during my last job interview, making notes about some of the key points the interviewer made and then it also gave me something to reference for my answers. Besides, you mention that he’s fidgeting but at the same time ignoring the fact that he acknowledges the full question and answers it directly, with full eye contact and body positioning to give his attention to Sam or Jim.
You can see Kratz squirm, fidget, look away, and avoid answering the question from Judge Willis about deleted missing voicemails during Stevens trial. Every MAM viewer sees that.
Yeah after watching MAM the 3rd time recently then the Candace Owen’s special and after this great podcast Steven Avery is guilty af in my eyes and BD was a pond & just knew too much detail regarding the actual crime kid should’ve taken the deal but wasn’t smart enough to do it. KZs involvement w SA is just to keep the cash flowing to her company a free advertising and footprints if u will.
Making a Murderer will haunt me for the rest of my life. Of course Kratz is going to defend himself, I would like to see him face to face with the creators who could respond to his accusations.
Rytis K. .....its pretty easy to talk to " hosts" who agree that he is right.... it would be interesting to see how he could prove some claims if he had to answer to someone holding the hard physical evidence in their hands!!! How can anyone get justice when the very lawyers, and police, and others in protective service roles band together and judge or rule based on what they THINK.... instead of what the law states?? I can talk about more than a few things that i have paper evidence and statutes to prove - that were not handled according to the law....but where do you turn when an officer does something wrong, or a clerk doesnt follow statutes of the law... or lawyers on opposite sides of a delicate family matter actually work together and favor one side....
He literally turned down the opportunity to be in the show because they wouldn't reveal their biases and offer him the ability to have 1 on 1 debates. The show creators wanted to record him talking for a few hours and then cut out all the parts that don't fit his agenda.
The bullet that has her DNA but no bone fragments even though it went in and out of a skull according to the prosecution. There was wood fragments on it though.
@12:15 Kratz said "sweat DNA" is ,"shorthand", a misnomer, that it is actually the skin cells of a hand; and not even a minute later dismisses the planting of evidence by insisting how absurd it would be to carry around a vial of sweat. BRO, YOU JUST SAID THIS IS INACCURATE, don't claim inaccuracies, and then USE those inaccuracies to defend your position. Anyway, who's here getting ready for Season 2?
Great interview. 8 years later, I'm pissed at what Making a Murderer did. I despised Ken Kratz. Now, after Convicting a Murderer came out I want to listen to Kratz more than ever.
@@jordanpost2411 Yeah, Ken Kratz it's a sexual predator, but Steven it's a sexual predator too, a rapist, a killer, a liar. So, one it's a moron (Kratz) and the other one it's a monster (Steven)
@@elartistaamargado1595 quite odd that Brendans story that Teresa was in the house and Steven and him graped her there and stabbed but not one shred of her DNA found in Stevens house anyone with half a fuckin brain would understand that's impossible
1:50 DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Nasty DisGrace made several factual mistakes in that forward. The ONLY reason Kratz wrote this little pamphlet is to make money. WHY did Kratz RUN from the key during his closing arguments, going so far as to ask the jury, "can't we just set the key aside"? WHAT the hell Ken? Kratz HAS NOT CHANGED. He got CAUGHT. This man was a f'ing Prosecutor and he says he made some "missteps". The CAT incident, READ ALL of the Police Reports. STOP taking Kratz word. Avery DID NOT Rape Marie. Marie was THREATENED by Wendy Baldwin if she didn't say what they wanted. DO your OWN research and stop taking the word of a guy that WITHHELD evidence. It's NOT called SWEAT DNA. How did TOUCH DNA survive 149 DAYS in such quantity. Get Kratz to explain A23 (blood) found on the OUTSIDE of the RAV4. Get Kratz to explain WHT they didn't run the 8 sets of latent prints through AFIS. Get Sheriff Wiegert to explain the UNFILED- "Disturbed Earth" Search warrant for the Property off Kuss Rd where searchers found that Clandestine burial plot. Please, get either one to explain #6 of Wiegerts Affidavit. The WCL found a "blunt and bloody Instrument" in the back of the Rav4. WHERE is it? foulplay.site/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/1-Steven-Avery/Misc-Reports/CASO-Search-Warrant-Drafts/Search-Warr_-Disturbed-Earth-11-05.pdf STOP believing what this guy says. He HAS to LIE to cover up what they did. Ask Kratz why the changed certain things in his book between the first and second edition. Ask Kratz where the Zipperer voicemail is. Ask Kratz WHY they EDITED the flyover video. Ask Kratz WHY they Will not release Bobby Dassey's Nov 9, 2005, u=interview? The FIRST thorough search WAS NOT when they planted the Key. Ask Kratz WHY Remiker told Todd Hermann on November 5, 2005 he didn't think Avery was involved. Listen to their convo. This was TWO days after Remiker walked through Avery's trailer- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DQBJiN02W7I.html WHY would Kratz offer ANYONE a Plea Deal for 15 years if he believed he was GUILTY of these horrific allegations? DO YOUR OWN RESEARH. STOP believing the word of a guy that RUINED his own career over hus personal vices. BTW. KEN KRATZ ALLOWED AND APPOVED LEN KACHINSKI'S plan to allow Wiegert and Fassbender to COERCE Brendan again. ASk KRATZ where a SINGLE Molecule of Teresa's DNA is inside that BEDROOM? There isn't a single thing that shows there was a clean up of anything. NO ONE reported a "Clean smell" of the trailer. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH guys.
@@milart12 Remember, they seized Avery's Grand Am on Nov 6, 2005, and brought it to the Madison Crime Lab, same place as the Rav4. Sherri Culhane collected and controlled ALL of the swabs. There was plenty of blood drops in the Grand Am for scary Sheri.. Why don't you explain what happened to the "blunt and bloody instrument" Harrinton (WCL) found in the back of the Rav4 on Nov 6, 2005. It DISAPPEARED. Just gone. Where is it?
@@Jack61 So Culhane is in on it too. Are you alleging that she took the blood from the Grand Am and planted it in the RAV4? What evidence do you have that she did this?
The guy talks about 'common sense' but doesn't common sense also tell you that if Steven slaughtered someone in his trailer that her blood or other evidence would be absolutely everywhere? Come on, we're not talking about Dexter here, this is Steven Avery!
But what is the alternative explanation? Do you believe that a Manitowac police officer found Theresa's body, moved it to the Avery property and then burned her along with electronics in a burn pit right behind the Avery trailer ? This is truly impossible to believe.
@@milart12 we don't know what happened but we know what didn't happen and the evidence does not support the story Ken told in court. Steve team did poorly by not pointing that out to the jury.
@@aubreunbray5761 Of course we know what happened. Steven Avery killed that poor girl and he is dragging the other members of his family down with him. The problem with the prosecution is that it took all of Brandon Dassey's "confession" at face value. I believe that Brandon was present for some of the aftermath of Teresa's death or perhaps was a witness to part of the murder, but I don't believe that all of his statements were true. If Steven Avery would drop this charade and confess and testify about Brandon Dassey's minimal involvement in the crime, Brandon would be set free. Instead he selfishly continues to profess his innocence and drags Brandon down with him. Have you seen what Steven's appellate attorney is arguing? She claims that Steven Avery's brother in law and other son are the real killers and that they put Steven's blood in the RAV4 after finding the blood in Steven's bathroom. Preposterous ! She has completely abandoned any police conspiracy theory that was so much a part of the original documentary.
he DID get screwed - apart from a text message (ooooh), the only thing this man has done is become a prosecutor (do you think that's easy? show me your law degree) and then take a slam-dunk obviously guilty case and effectively prosecute so that a sick animal is behind bars where he should be, and for this he is despised globally, pretty rough deal if you ask me
Lou Zer it is people like you that make me stress about the entire population, seriously. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT in the way of evidence? You watched MaM and were completely suckered like a fool. They left a bunch of shit out and distorted other things to fit their narrative. This led to questions from a bunch of idiots like yourself. ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED did you actually listen to this interview or not? Did it just go in one ear, through your diarrhea brains, and out the other ear? How the FUCK can you accuse ME of having a 'pre-meditated bias' (incorrect term BTW)? I watched the doco first just like you, so the only bias I have is the FAKE PRO_AVERY story they dishonestly conjured up. Don't you see how that makes no sense? There isn't a shadow of reasonable doubt on this case it is a complete no-brainer. That's why a jury in a court of law put this sick animal behind bars for life where he belongs. If you disagree then tell me what really happened, in detail, so that everything matches the evidence. Tell me about the magic serial killer who happened to be at Avery's that day who has some sort of police connection and was able to set all this up. If MaM told you that Elvis was the killer you would be arguing that with me now. Seriously you people are just so fucking stupid it hurts. The nation that elected Donald Trump, ladies and gentlemen, this is how they think. Fucking pathetic and sickening.
frarfarf BWAHAHAHA listen to the interview?? Yes i DID, and there were so many holes in it i thought it was a whore house. Not to mention you're gonna trust this guy??? So everything he says MUST be the truth, there is no way he couldnt be lying or corrupted/bribed. Perhaps he wanted the fame, he said from his own mouth he was on a power trip from being the man in this big shot case, that he had a narcissim addiction, which can and does especially in your dumbass case change and alter perception from reality. You are so fucking stupid and have no clue what justice is or how the law and legal system is SUPPOSED to work. If you are so gotdamn confident Avery did it, WTF do you CARE if there is another trial??? Why do u impede the justice system?? If he's guilty and there is supposed overwhelming evidence like your pathetic gullible ass claims, than it should be able to stand the test of another trial and prove with flying colors that Avery is guilty. You're hatred and ignorance wont bring poor Teresa back stupid.
Teresa Halbach had been there on other occasions to photograph cars Avery would be selling. So to find any so called skin cell DNA from Avery on her car would not prove anything.Especially when you consider that this is an area where because of the cold cars frequently can break down or not start and need a jump. This could explain his skin being anywhere on her car.. what is more suspicious is do you think for one second that if he was so through that he wouldn't have worn gloves while handling her car.would he park her car in his lot when he could have easily towed it and dumped in one of the thick woods in the area. Also when he has won millions and has a check for $400k waiting for him to pick up would do this crime with a mentally impaired kid who for sure would get him caught. Is Avery just that stupid or if not stupid insane. No something else happened to this woman and Avery was a convenient patsy. .
Former Avery supporters must be so embarrassed by now. I know I felt really stupid when I finally realised Steven Avery was guilty. I mean come on, her car went to Stevens property and she went missing, and the car is in his lot. Her bones were in his burn barrel. If you accept the premise he was framed, you accept the police killed a 25 year old young woman just to frame a scumbag.
Liar. You don't debate with others who present facts. instead you swoop right down to the low road of name calling while claiming to be offended for other people. and let me ask you this @@BunnaySango,IF we found out she was actually still alive, PROVEN ALIVE, what would you say then, just whose family has been hurt? I think the whole thing is bigger and more involved than most could even fathom......ten times bigger than 36 million.....so cmon now 1 piece of conclusive evidence. on such a slam dunk case surely you have SOMETHING, ANYTHING? while you're trolling for the not so good guys, which is suspect in itself, some of us out here actually want truth. and i don't argue with those not seeking truth. you're seeking something unjust, like witchburning.
If anyone wants a lesson in classic confirmation bias; this is it. It's simply incredible that people like KK (iMO) exist to practise law in any capacity whatsoever. Anyone who looks at this case closely and follows it up with even modest diligence can see this individual is best described with words i dare to mention here. All IMO.
the lesson in confirmation bias is being manipulated into thinking avery was framed by the mam show, and then looking into everything looking to confirm that.
Kranz said when he first got envolved it was a missing person case. Why was a special Procescuter envolved in a missing person case? Since when does a procecuter ever get envolved with a missing person sounds like more evidence of them all railroading the Avery's
i used to believe the documentary until i started doing research myself. It is not for me to decide. It is a dangerous road to advocate for someone convicted of murder when you yourself havent sat on the jury yourself and heard ALL EVIDENCE from both sides.
@@HaileMecael hell if I know I'm just a guy on the internet lmao. My only point is it's dangerous to advocate for the release of a convicted murderer based on a documentary that clearly is skewed in a certain direction. I mean for all I know the guy who covered a cat in oil and gas and threw it in a fire when he was 21 didn't kill that lady. It's a very well made and convincing doc but when I started doing research myself there was enough info not covered that put doubt of his innocence in my brain. I don't think the doc is all BS the police very likely planted evidence and the coerced confession was absolutely brutal and should of been thrown out. Dig in to some of the evidence presented at trial not covered in the doc and you'll see its not as clear cut as it was presented. Or not. Like I said I'm just a dude on the internet.
@@dr.dingledorff great reply also though ( And I'm not making excuses.) Stephen has a low IQ also. I mean his family remind me of the Beverly Hillbillies. But even that is not the point. The point is Winconsin judicial system is obviously corrupt. An idiot can see that they acted illegally by collecting and planting evidence. People should only get life on evidence. He slit her throat KK bragged. So where was all the blood in the trailer. Not a drop in all that junk. Even the FBI would have missed a spot. Avery left the car for everyone to see. And didn't scrap it or crush it. They said he burned the body in the shallow pit right behind his own house. Really. When it was proven in the documentary that she was burnt in the gravel pit and placed onto Averys property. Just as the car was. Man you could write for an hour about all the inconsistencies. But I agree with Kathleen. The fact that the kunt Kratz never looked at the filth on Bobby Dasseys computer and then tried to Bury it in court. That is one slimy f.ck right there. The whole thing is embarrassing and makes people laugh at America. We think your still cowboys
@@milart12 Avery's biggest mistake is to sue the state of Wisconsin, Mitowoc county and stayed living in that county, that's a remedy for disaster.all evidences are planted from the blood, the DNA and the worst is his nephew who was 16 not mentally fit and coerced him for a confession, the whole thing is a joke, the justice system in Wisconsin is a Scam
@@kimokeeks1615 Forget about Brandon for the time being. I agree that he got screwed and should not be in prison. All of your other statements are so conclusory as to be meaningless.."all the evidences are planted".."the whole thing is a joke" What do you mean? Do you realize that Avery's appellate attorney has abandoned the idea that the police planted the blood, which was conclusively determined to belong to Avery. If Avery did not do it, who did? You said that Kratz wanted to frame Avery. What did Kratz do to frame Avery? After all, he was just using the evidence that was gathered by the police.
@@milart12 If you agree Brendan was framed that's they coerced him into confession just to frame Steven, they said they raped her, tortured her and cut her in his bed while there was no evidence of blood, DNA, Hair in the bed and that by itself makes the case inconclusive and dismissed. The key should have Teresa's DNA if it wasn't cleaned, and Steven's DNA was to high for just a touch, the only high level of DNA will only come from a Saliva (That's why when you test for ancestry they ask you to collect Saliva samples), the DNA is the hatch was only coming from Steven and very high unless he leaked the hatch with his mouth. We can go on and on but it was Kratz main motive is to punish him for suing the state of Wisconsin, that will serve as a lesson for anyone who dares to sue law enforcement, that's the message.
They never had to pay a dime, they were covered by insurance and Avery was never going to get 36 million and as we know he settled for 250,000. But sure, the cops are going to murder an innocent woman, and frame Avery. Do you people realise how demented your conspiracy theories sound?
Any rational, responsible human being who knowingly--indeed, eagerly--proceeds with the prosecution of a man based on a "confession" coerced from a cognitively impaired juvenile does it neither in service of justice nor morality, but of his own ego.
Go and watch the entire confessions, they are on youtube. The documentary cherry picks only small pieces. His story doesn't make total sense and I don't think he did everything he says he did, but he definitely was involved in Halbachs murder.
Brendan's mother: So Steven (Avery) did do it (murder Teresa Halbach)? Brendan Dassey: Yeah. Brendan's mother (starts crying): Why didn't you tell me about this? (Recorded jail call, 13 May 2006)
Jim throws a couple softballs. First question about the cat, kratz literally regurgitates Jim's question but as a statement then adds a couple adjectives to Steven's character.
Kelly Brandmeyer I think Sam picked up the slack a lot. Sam was definitely bad cop and played the card well, the way Jimmy used to on O&A. Jimmy is allowed to like the guy and dislike to doc.
did he 'literally' regurgitate it? So.. are you saying he wrote the question on a piece of paper, chewed it up and half swallowed it, and spat it out again?
Yea just like he said the cops never did anything wrong and they were good cops. He kinda left out they framed Steve Avery for a rape he didn’t commit in 1985. Yea. Great cops.
@@Schema49 He sure did. It's also been rumored that a few ladies in the first DA's office Kratz worked in after he graduated from Law School, had issues with him. Wouldn't really surprise me if that actually happened.
The comments mostly seem to attack Kranz himself, which is ad hominem. I haven't seen the documentary, so maybe he is a creep, but everything he says here makes sense to me.
No need to watch the documentary, Avery is indeed guilty. You are right to characterize these attacks as ad hominem. He doesn't come across that well in the documentary but all these personal attacks are silly.
I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for Kratz. He’s a self proclaimed narcissist. Narcissist not only don’t hold themselves accountable, they definitely don’t tend to get help. Congrats to him and his hard work in healing and correcting is behavior. This is very rare.
If narcs dont ever hold themselves accountable my life is either way. So I'm going to make sure I make perfect use of this on the face of this arena. The people of Wisconsin. .
Cant stand the sound of this man's voice, sounds more feminine than most women lol. He got screwed because he screwed himself when he lied, covered up, OMITTED (as he is fond of blaming others for) key information. Most people now have went far beyond just watching the documentary, we've read the full trial transcripts. We've abt thru the evidence piece by piece. We've also come to the conclusion that this piece of crap went about EVERYTHING wrong. But far more egregious than Kenny girl's involvement were the rest of the investigators, interrogators, people who should have questioned key people and never did, and everyone else who conveniently dropped the ball. Kenny girl just PUT himself in the spotlight to get his 15 LOOONG minutes of fame. Many involved with this case have just allowed themselves to fade into the background because they don't want the publicity. Nope, not Kratz. Gonna milk it until the cow runs dry. He is right, he is seen as the villain- because he likes the limelight no matter how he gets it.
Can't believe he said he got screwed in the first case! Don't forget the same dodgy officers kept him in longer than he should have been!! And by the same justice system. What a hypocrite!! What you said clearly makes it that the police are currupt.
Ok where is his fingerprints they should be all over the rav4 same as Brendan and if as they say he was wearing gloves well then there should be no blood of steven or DNA in the RAV 4. .
frarfarf ur a fucking moron, the point is Kratz wants you to account only for Avery's past and to apply it to this case, yet when it comes to his case, its to be looked over and dismissed as a one time thing.
it wasn't just text messages though ,he didn't just sext people, he abused his position as a prosecution to try and blackmail abuse victims into bed, and who's to say he didn't actually get anyone into bed by this dodgy and disgusting behaviour.
listen very carefully: ken kratz is not on trial. i dont give a FUCK about anything he has done in his entitre life because it has NOTHING to do with the murder of teresa halbach. how fucking stupid do you need to be to not understand that?
frarfarf How fucking stupid do you have to be realize that this case has way too many holes in it to come anywhere near able to prove without a reasonable doubt that Avery is guilty. You just use your blind hatred w/o looking at the fact that all kinds of mishandling of key evidence, as well as too many rare "conveniences" that were found after multiple searches did not find shit. Innocent till proven guilty, you're ignorance doesnt bring Teresa's poor soul back to life stupid, ppl like u were the reason Avery was locked up 18yrs for a crime he didnt commit in the first place. That doesnt mean he is innocent this time, but it certainly doesnt mean he is guilty either. Open your fucking eyes and your mind as well as your heart and seek the truth. At the very least, there needs to be a new trial, with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Avery did it, or evidence that it wasnt him.
Smh. I'm tired of hearing about Steve Avery and what he did 20 years before this murder. That stuff is in a misspelling court. The jury can't hear stuff like that. So why are we talking about it? Especially if they convicted him without it.
Literally everything points toward Steven Avery and these disgusting comments are blaming Teresa's family instead of the actual perpetrator. You keyboard warriors were not part of the Jury and heard 40% of the trial. The jury didn't have it 'out for Steven Avery', they listened to reasoning and came to the correct conclusion. Steven's past (who tf throws a cat into a fire like seriously you're messed up), the bones found RIGHT NEXT to his house, Steven calling her multiple times, blood evidence, everything points towards him but you guys conveniently ignore that. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.
Making a murderer left out the truth about stevens guilt.. no planting by the cops .. kz has ruled them out ..yet they still are getting hate because a tv show implied they framed steven ..no they didnt and stevens lawyer said they didnt.
I just loved it when Brendan wrote then gave "His lawyer" his version of what he did on the night they think Teresa Halbach was murdered. The look on Brendan’s face as he studied his account on paper? When his lawyer asked where is the Murder and Brendan obviously is thinking "What Murder" or who is Teresa Halbach?
Brendan's mother: So Steven (Avery) did do it (murder Teresa Halbach)? Brendan Dassey: Yeah. Brendan's mother (starts crying): Why didn't you tell me about this? (Recorded jail call, 13 May 2006)
@@thumbsdownbandit People should know in the most recent prior interview before this phone call he was made to sit and had been prompted marketing up horrible allegations this one the police did not provoke but none the less saw a confused boys lie as a chance and ran with it informing him that the best way to get through this was to call his mom and "tell her exactly what you told us" accroding to them it was implied if he did this it would make his trial go smoother passify someone important to the case...it's unspecified what is known and made clear is that they would disapprove of him not calling his mom and by his own uncorrised quote "I was guessing to make them happy" he did not want to disappoint the law enforcement just another manipulation.
I met Ken in a recovery setting, I appreciate how open he is about his issues, and this interview is extremely interesting. I still am unsure if Avery did it tho..
That's actually pretty cool to meet anyone involved with the case. I've met some of the press, but that's all. That being said. There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
So Steven is a genius and could clean his trailer to the point where no DNA of Teresa was found, cleans the garage of every speck of dna except for one lonesome bullet found 6 months later, but then drives her car covered in his blood and puts a damn branch over it and then throws her key in his bedroom...
Why do you focus on the evidence that is not there but ignore the mountain of evidence that is there? I believe that Kratz made an error when he bought the entirety of Branson's confession. I don't believe all of this torture chamber stuff. I think that Avery made some sort of awkward, creepy pass at Teresa. She was , of course, repulsed . Avery then became angry and hurt Teresa in some way. He then killed her in the garage. I think that Avery enlisted Brandon in killing and then disposing of the body Teresa's car was not "covered in blood " Avery had cut his hand and brushed it against the dashboard when he started the car. He then moved the car to an area in the scrapyard and tried to make it seem like it was just another car in the huge Avery scrapyard inventory. He probably cleaned off the steering wheel to get rid of his fingerprints but did not notice the blood on the dashboard. One does not always think clearly in the aftermath of a murder. Avery did the most expedient thing that he could think of at the time. Avery did not just throw her key in his bedroom. The key fob was hidden behind or in his bookcase and was jarred loose when the police moved the bookcase during their search.
@@milart12 so how do you explain that on 11/5 a witness saw two people pushing the rav up avery road from 147, and neither of the people were Steven or Brendan
@@milart12 so the person who was accused from attempting the murder and rape in 1985 when true crook was still running free without punishment and raping other women, So Steven Avery was as innocent person sent to Jail!!! AND You think 2 years later after releasing from prison in 2003 then fighting against the Police and State tl Court to get rightfully compensation!!! -> Would kill another person? 🤣🤣🤣 Are you dum* or that much stu*id??
@@lolablueskies8269 While the attempt to make the dispatch call sound suspicious in trial fell flat, Kathleen Zellner has presented new evidence in her motions. One piece of evidence she has submitted is Kevin Rahmlow’s affidavit, who claims he saw Teresa’s Rav-4 on November 4 “by the East Twin River dam in Mischicot at the turnaround the bridge [sic].” He claims to have then driven to a Cennex station, where he saw both a missing poster for Teresa and a Manitowoc County Sheriff’s officer. He reported having seen the car to the officer. When he was watching Making a Murderer more than a decade later, he recognized Colborn, and believed he was the officer in the Cennex. However, it’s possible Rahmlow just recognized Colborn from when Colborn arrested him in 2006 for a DUI. Colborn was actually off work on November 4 and was nowhere near the Avery property. In fact, there is a dispatch call from an officer named Ryan who references “missing posters up at a Cennex”, and may have been the person Rahmlow talked to. It’s also possible Rahmlow made the encounter up, holding a grudge against Colborn for the DUI arrest. Another item of note is that Rahmlow was not the only person to see a car that looked like Teresa’s near the turnaround. A man named Ervin also did, and reported it. This lead was checked out, and it was not Teresa’s car. With those new pieces of information, we now have to believe there were both two officers in Cennex on November 4 looking at the missing posters- one not in uniform but still identifiable as an officer to the discerning eye of Rahmlow- and two cars at the turnaround that looked like Teresa’s- one actually being hers, and another a look-a-like. This seems like a huge coincidence, and Rahmlow’s history of being arrested by Colborn diminishes his credibility.
Idk know why no one asks why colburn and link manitowoc county officers were even on the property when they said they were bringing in calumet county to investigate also why no one asks why if he wanted his side heard he was offers to take part and declined and if he answers because that would be unprofessional or unethical then ask him wasn’t it unprofessional and unethical to call a press conference and release such graphic details to prospective jurors.
Exactly right erica cole, Jim and Sam don't even know what they are talking about. More research should have been done on this POS before interviewing him. Steve is no angel, but Jerry Yanda threw the cat in the fire. They should have looked at the police report. Geez this was a hard interview to watch :( Ken is a predator.
Statement from PETA Senior Director Colleen O’Brien in response to Making a Murderer‘s incomplete treatment of Steven Avery’s prior abuse of animals: Too often, cruelty to animals is swept under the rug, as seems to have happened in Making a Murderer when filmmakers omitted specific details about how Avery, at age 20, doused the family cat with lighter fluid before throwing him onto a fire. Avery was convicted of misdemeanor cruelty to animals for killing the cat and served only nine months. Fortunately, today, the FBI recognizes cruelty to animals as a precursor to further violence and tracks animal abuse like it does homicides, and cruelty to animals is also a felony in most states. The filmmakers were wrong to gloss over this important information, and viewers are rightly upset.
Just take a look at the bedside table that was supposedly shaken violently! You see 2 pictures on the evidence, one before one after. The cabinet is in the exactly same spot not even a millimetre in difference and the coins have not moved! You will then see that the key was planted. The evidence is there for you to see.
Are u aware of Katherine Zellner's argument on appeal? She says that Bobby Dassey and Steve Tadych did it. It was they , and not the police ,who drove Teresa's car onto the Avery property and also planted Avery's blood in the car. If that is the case, how did law enforcement get the key in order to plant it in Avery's bedroom
Making a murderer should have forced a new trail. It's heartbreaking. He's a liar. The velocity blood was not claimed to be planted and the prosecution never tested comprehensively. It was Avery's last lawyer who tested everything in forensic depth. This man Kratz has profiteered from this case and is as slippery and delusional. Anyone listening to this interview without watching both espisodes will not get the full picture.
Julian Grant well I can respect that point of view. I spent a long time on the fence about Steven, but Ken used all the dirty tricks he could. His excuses to explain the lack of blood and evidence in the trailer are feeble at best, ridiculous is the word I would use. I take your point, I see plenty of cause for concern though.
Krats telling lies that Steven phoned Autotrader on the 3rd november. This is mind blowing. Its just incredible that anyone believes anything this guy says. It was a whole different Steve that phoned on the 3rd November. Jeez Louise.
@@shukigkatoyes that is true .. Rachael from autotrader mistook Steven speckman for Avery ... speckman phoned autotrader to arrange another appointment for him..saying Teresa couldn't make the appointment and to reschedule with autotrader...he was not amused that Scott bloedorn the room mate phoned him not long after she was reported missing..great channel that talks about this case is foul play ..have a good night and take care 👋
Thanks for defending my old friend. That video done by them big city Chicago'ans and small town bookworm dorks is total biased crap. They ought to be sued by her brother.
I think it's Teresa Halback's ex-boy friend, Ryan Hillegas. He has motive, He was angry at her for breaking up with her and one thing lead to another. Since the police already didn't like Steven Avery because of the huge law suit of $32,000,000 I think it was 32 million, but anyway who was right their cooperating with the police, Rayn, remember hi leading and organizing the search party, Police ruled him out right away, they new they had their guy. BUT, it gave Ryan free rein to come and go on Avery's property, able to place some incriminating evidence.
Lacy Lynn let's not forget about the relationship she had started with her flatmate. A platonic relationship is what Hillegas claimed it to be. Yet we later learn that is untrue.
I have a question for Ken Kratz… why did you allow any Manitowoc sheriff’s dept employees to be involved in any searches? This whole scandal starts with him completely dropping the ball on managing a conflict of interest.
He had NOTHING to do with that. He is not in charge of investigations, particularly Manitowoc County's. He was the DA of Calumet County. My God, the ignorance is stunning.
How am I not supposed to see all the signs of a narcissistic sociopath in this guy, that I've been taught all my life are the exact signs of a narcissistic sociopath? I guess he didn't have the wife of anyone he has prosecuted to chase today.
So Kratz starts off whining about unsavory editing tactics and says nothing of the tactics of law enforcement tactics in obtaining "confessions" or even of his own tactics in broadcasting crime scene narratives and a fictitious description of events in the case. Both on TV and in court. He has injected his own imaginative narratives as facts in every single interview and court appearance. The arrogance of Ken Kratz secrets from every orifice of the guy. Regardless of the guilt or innocence of the accused, Ken Kratz has displayed more deceitful behavior than most criminals.
So many false narratives, it is impossible for Ken to explain the events, it is all speculation. Think of the tactics used on Brendan, by both law enforcement and his appointed legal representation. Ken is always asking to finish his point because he needs (truly a need to speak his opinion) to engrain his position onto others in an effort to provide their own narrative.
Page 9 of Kratz states in his book, the evening of Nov 3rd, Inv Mark Wiegert shows up at Kratz door, AND TELLS KRATZ AVERY WAS LAST PERSON TO SEE HER, Kratz was brought on board hours after TH reported missing, and thus Kratz reveals in his book of Wiegert's satisfaction Avery was last stop. Kratz makes statements that are not significant, like the .22 bullet in the garage was from the gun in his trailer, duh, where else would it come from? There are holes shot through the garage, Avery is a rough person who grew up in a salvage yard!! It's a .22, it's a pee-shooter. Anyone who is around guns knows this. The trailer and .22 rifle owner testifies that when he lived there, he fired that rifle an estimated 2,500-3,000 times on the property, "all over". The lack of blood spatter in the garage is what Kratz should acknowledge, you can't clean up all of that, which is why it didn't happen!
This is not the only person corrupt we have them in every county in US. From a former CO yes we have innocent people in prison. State of Wisconsin just don't wont to pay compensation to Brendan Dassey and Steve Avery. To interview a 16 year old with special problems is just low. Kratz is just a crook in a suit.
