성격이 극명하게 차이나서 보기 재미있었어요. 검도는 빠르게 유효타를 노리기 위해 순간적으로 매우 빠르고 간결하게 타격하는데 비해서 롱소드는 혼란을 주면서 상대 공격을 막아내고 상대방이 방어하기 힘든 곳으로 계속해서 공격이 오던데 양측 무기의 특징을 잘 보여준것 같은 대련이였던거 같아요.
확실하진 않지만 검도하시는 분은 처음에 붙어서 해보시려다가 리히테나워 검술이 경합상황에서 강점이 크다는 것을 인지하시고 주로 흘리면서 피해를 입더라도 가격하는 방법을 택하시는 것 같았고 리히테나워 하시는 분은 계속 붙는것에 집중을 하시면서 앞쪽에 무게를 실으시는데 발바닥이 마모되셨고 익숙하지 않은 환경이라 미끄러지는 것 같아요 또 서로 지향하는 목표가 다르다보니 검도는 단타를 치고 리히테나워는 근접해서 연타를 치는 상황이 나오는 것도 되게 재미있게 봤습니다. 두분 모두 더 여기서 실력발휘를 하실 수 있지만 승리나 본인이 수련하는 검술이 우위라는 것을 증명하는 것이 목적이 아니라 (친선?) 서로의 무술에 대해서 알고 알리기 위해서 하는 경기이므로 두분 다 스포츠십으로 배려하면서 경기를 진행해서 더 좋았던거 같습니다. 두 분다 모두 멋있으십니다. 좋은 컨텐츠 감사해요.
I don't speak korean, but I can tell you are both passionate about swordsmanship!! This is such a cool video of different sword styles. Thank you for making it!
This was very nice to see - much better than most «longsword versus katana» videos out there. I loved the spirit of mutual understanding. Would love to see more, perhaps comparing technique and tactics!
김상윤은 자격도 없고 그나마 있는거 마저 박탈 당했으며 누굴 가르칠 능력 조차 없는 3류 이하의 사람입니다 That child has no ranking in ARMA and it was given no permission by me to teach, provide instruction(1), or otherwise do anything with any ARMA study group in Korea. He is a complete amateur with very little training. I complimented him on his natural talent but told him that he had tremendous flaws and a long way to go. I only worked with him for a few met personally. So for him to take on the title he has is a complete fraud. He is a joke. He has zero qualifications and as far as I’m concerned has stolen I remember content, my seminar lessons(2), and our members curricular not that it will do him much good given how little experience he has in martial arts. And when I visit Korea I will seek him out personally to correct him. John Clements ARMA Director ----------------------------------------------------------------- I rescind my previous permission for you to use the statement below.(3) I will be sending a separate official letter to the court describing your dishonesty and false representation to me. I will also be contacting my personal attorney and other Korean representatives to consider legal action against you for defamation, libel, and interference with fair business practices.(4) As designated diplomatic representative to South Korea via my role in The WoMAU, I will additionally be bringing the matter to the attention of appropriate Korean authorities. John C. 아르마부 측에 외부인이 이메일로 김상윤에 대해 문의한 결과 미국 본부의 디렉터인 존 클레멘츠가 직접 답변한 바가 있다. 이걸 간략하게 이야기 하자면 존클레멘츠는 직접적으로 김이 자신으로부터 타인을 가르칠 자격을 취득한 적이 없고 커리큘럼 유출이나 도용등이 걱정된다 김상윤 이 받았던 종전의 승급을 취소 및 박탈하며 법적조치를 고려중 이라함 즉 김상윤은 태권도로 따지면 흰띄 다음으로 넘어간 수준인데 남을 가르치고 있다는것이됨 자격도 능력도 없는 사람이 무도를 가르치는거는 무시하고 넘길수는 있어도 도구를 다루는것에 무지함을 가지고 있고 사기전적이 있던 사람이 검술을 가르친다? 절대 안될말
This is a funny role reversal for me! As a HEMAist this is a pleasure to see! And Mr. Sangyoon Kim displays quite good Lichtenauer i think, you seem like a great representative for HEMA in Korea and I love to see this. 💕
Nice video! Good fencing from both sides. The Zwerchhau is a very important strike in the Liechtenauer system, and this gentleman does it beautifully. I’ve been practicing and teaching Liechtenauer’s system for 16 years, and it’s lovely to see so many people appreciating it! 👍👍👍
@@kronoscamron7412 No, the "bind" is any time the swords cross and some kind of pressure is maintained. Working from binds is one of the central concepts of the Liechtenauer school of swordsmanship. :)
@@Kunstdesfechtens that makes sense, thank you, I was wondering because he would twist the sword but couldn't execute it because the opponent was taller. but I guess it would also be correct if he hit other areas of the opponent's body, thanks for the clarification.
@@Kunstdesfechtens I am really wondering how would the result be if they play outside. The floor is too slippery for longsword player. The kendo player is a pro swordsman, I like how he hits so fast lol
A very nice video showing both the beauty of both Kendo and European swordsmanship. It would also be awesome if he demonstrated a bit of half swording to give them an idea on how to defeat a swordsman wearing a plate armor.
What I picked up from the video alone, is that European swordsmanship is fluid, deceptive, and flexible. Kendo on the other hand is direct, but very swift. Loved every second of it.
Yeah but the Kendo guy had control of distance here, the HEMA guy seems to be misjudging how far he was compared to the Kendo guy. Also yeah your can do more stuff in HEMA Longsword than Kendo or Kenjutsu (Zournhau, Krumpau, Halfswording, false edge cuts and Mordhau are more possible in HEMA than in Kendo and Kenjutsu) but te basics are fairly similar right down to the fudamental stances
@@tucsonmclean5138 yeah there is a skill gap between most HEMA practicioners and Kendo but thats more on the ages of the Sports than the systems themselves. HEMA Longsword despite being ironically older (the Longsword was only ever used in actual combat for 250 years) than Kendo and Kenjutsu is only recently comparitively being revived and practiced regularly.
Thank you very much for the English translation. It's great to see the strengths of each style (and combatant). I would be interested to see the kendoka using a steel katana and the longsworder in proper protective gear. (Though fencing in a shirt and tie is very cool.😎)
김상윤은 자격도 없고 그나마 있는거 마저 박탈 당했으며 누굴 가르칠 능력 조차 없는 3류 이하의 사람입니다 That child has no ranking in ARMA and it was given no permission by me to teach, provide instruction(1), or otherwise do anything with any ARMA study group in Korea. He is a complete amateur with very little training. I complimented him on his natural talent but told him that he had tremendous flaws and a long way to go. I only worked with him for a few met personally. So for him to take on the title he has is a complete fraud. He is a joke. He has zero qualifications and as far as I’m concerned has stolen I remember content, my seminar lessons(2), and our members curricular not that it will do him much good given how little experience he has in martial arts. And when I visit Korea I will seek him out personally to correct him. John Clements ARMA Director ----------------------------------------------------------------- I rescind my previous permission for you to use the statement below.(3) I will be sending a separate official letter to the court describing your dishonesty and false representation to me. I will also be contacting my personal attorney and other Korean representatives to consider legal action against you for defamation, libel, and interference with fair business practices.(4) As designated diplomatic representative to South Korea via my role in The WoMAU, I will additionally be bringing the matter to the attention of appropriate Korean authorities. John C. 아르마부 측에 외부인이 이메일로 김상윤에 대해 문의한 결과 미국 본부의 디렉터인 존 클레멘츠가 직접 답변한 바가 있다. 이걸 간략하게 이야기 하자면 존클레멘츠는 직접적으로 김이 자신으로부터 타인을 가르칠 자격을 취득한 적이 없고 커리큘럼 유출이나 도용등이 걱정된다 김상윤 이 받았던 종전의 승급을 취소 및 박탈하며 법적조치를 고려중 이라함 즉 김상윤은 태권도로 따지면 흰띄 다음으로 넘어간 수준인데 남을 가르치고 있다는것이됨 자격도 능력도 없는 사람이 무도를 가르치는거는 무시하고 넘길수는 있어도 도구를 다루는것에 무지함을 가지고 있고 사기전적이 있던 사람이 검술을 가르친다? 절대 안될말
Speed and timing for the kendoka, longsword should have played more defensive to use his reach, instead of rushing forward. At close engagement, smallest weapon is the quickest !! Another thing, was that longsword was focused on head, not varying targets. Kendoka exploited mid section and lower body openings. Very smart. To be fair, there is a skill mismatch here !!
Hello, I've done a bit of HEMA longsword and kendo, and watched vs between them. I hope you don't mind my commentary. When longsword guy went for twerhau / zwerchau there were openings to slice / press his arms as he goes around. Slices don't score in kumdo and are hard to spot in HEMA too, but they're one of the main ways to counter the fast twerhau cut around. Like at 6:11 the shinai wielding guy has a perfect opening to press against longsword feder guy's hands and forearms. At 6:23 the kumdo guy, instead of snapping back like in kumdo, could have held the point forward and pressed into feder guy's arms 7:04 7:13 kumdo guy could've stopped the twerhau by pressing into the hands or just stabbing feder guy, but the kumdo rules withdrawl opened him to twerhau 6:32 7:23 all those kumdo guy's do (torso) hits were awesome! 7:36 on thrusting first, that's just a ruleset difference, it's much easier to score a thrust with how most HEMA is run. Many cuts in HEMA are meant to end in a thrust (cuts in some traditional kenjutsu schools are also meant to open for a thrust). The counter I've seen from kendoka is to go for arm hits instead of head hits, and if there's no counterthrust then the way is clear for a thrust (tsuki) of your own I'm not as experienced or skilled as the two of you are, I'm just giving commentary. I really enjoyed watching this video and I hope y'all do more. ... oh yeah! The techniques of longsword that the feder guy didn't really use much were rising back edge cuts, it would be cool to see you guys do another match but longsword guy uses more back edge uppercuts that a single edged katana doesn't do. You can see examples of it in this Martin Fabian video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Dwm0tWBP52A.html
Really nice display of skill from both of you. I am really curious if replacing the Shinai with a Katana would change the dynamics of the fight. The Shenai is quite a bit lighter than an actual katana if I am getting that right. I am wondering how much speed you would lose on that transition. But as I said. Really impressive and nice display of skill!
Well, you will have a harder time controlling the weapon with a steel blade compare to the shinai or the bokken. Even the feder (practice version of the longsword) is kinda lighter than real swords. The execution of the technique won't be a problem because you don't actually try to muscle your way through the cut when you swing it. A shinai, a bokken or a real sword works the same way when you just let the blade fall on it's own when you extended the arms forward
@@jaketheasianguy3307 I have a sparring longsword which weights the same as my feder and the way I fight changes a lot if I use it. It is as flexible as a feder but hits a bit harder and you need to change the way you use it since you are slower. The balance of your sword can change a lot of the dynamics in combat. For reference: I have a Fabri-Amorum HEMA longsword (which basically is a shieldless feder) and a blackfencer steel generation longsword.
@@Timbo_Boy well, i have only played around with with real swords and black fencer/red dragon synthetic practice swords. Blunt steel is kinda too expensive for me, living in third world country and all, so i'm just speaking from experience. To me, playing around with the synthetic longsword still feels lighter than my katana, or it's totally the blade's fault since it's a bit tip heavy. The difference usually when i tried to do stuffs that required alot of movements like switching guards, feints, the real sword feels more clumsy in my hand than the practice swords. But when i tried low action techniques like Zornhau, Krumphau for example, they felt the same, i just let it flow
The explanations were good, and the fencing was very fun to watch. I found the mark on the hits to be inconsistent, some hits looked simultaneous, or sometimes the second hit would have the mark, it didn't seem to be consistent between kendo or normal Hema rules. I think most of the hits would be counted as double hits in Hema rules, and I'm not sure kendo rules can fully apply. Overall great video though both fencers have good spirit and demonstrated skill.
김상윤은 자격도 없고 그나마 있는거 마저 박탈 당했으며 누굴 가르칠 능력 조차 없는 3류 이하의 사람입니다 That child has no ranking in ARMA and it was given no permission by me to teach, provide instruction(1), or otherwise do anything with any ARMA study group in Korea. He is a complete amateur with very little training. I complimented him on his natural talent but told him that he had tremendous flaws and a long way to go. I only worked with him for a few met personally. So for him to take on the title he has is a complete fraud. He is a joke. He has zero qualifications and as far as I’m concerned has stolen I remember content, my seminar lessons(2), and our members curricular not that it will do him much good given how little experience he has in martial arts. And when I visit Korea I will seek him out personally to correct him. John Clements ARMA Director ----------------------------------------------------------------- I rescind my previous permission for you to use the statement below.(3) I will be sending a separate official letter to the court describing your dishonesty and false representation to me. I will also be contacting my personal attorney and other Korean representatives to consider legal action against you for defamation, libel, and interference with fair business practices.(4) As designated diplomatic representative to South Korea via my role in The WoMAU, I will additionally be bringing the matter to the attention of appropriate Korean authorities. John C. 아르마부 측에 외부인이 이메일로 김상윤에 대해 문의한 결과 미국 본부의 디렉터인 존 클레멘츠가 직접 답변한 바가 있다. 이걸 간략하게 이야기 하자면 존클레멘츠는 직접적으로 김이 자신으로부터 타인을 가르칠 자격을 취득한 적이 없고 커리큘럼 유출이나 도용등이 걱정된다 김상윤 이 받았던 종전의 승급을 취소 및 박탈하며 법적조치를 고려중 이라함 즉 김상윤은 태권도로 따지면 흰띄 다음으로 넘어간 수준인데 남을 가르치고 있다는것이됨 자격도 능력도 없는 사람이 무도를 가르치는거는 무시하고 넘길수는 있어도 도구를 다루는것에 무지함을 가지고 있고 사기전적이 있던 사람이 검술을 가르친다? 절대 안될말
@@user-gq5hb6co2y Why is this a reply to a comment I made over a year ago? This is totally irrelevant, and I don't see how John Clements has any claim or standing on this situation, he is basically an outcast and laughingstock of the HEMA community in general. If you google his name you get endless information on who he is, what he did, and why he is not respected within the larger HEMA community.
Wow! It looks like that hits to the waste hurt! I would like to see such a fight with both steel swords. That would be a better comparison between the fighters. The Kendoka should be an bit slower, but would gain more momentum. What I dont like and what I have seen sometimes with other Kendoka (AND HEMAists, too!) is that they do that waste strike but get hit at the head. Its a bad trade.
아 중간에 의도치 않게 진짜 좋은 멘트 나왔음... 체력이나 반사신경이 아니라 무지에서 지는 느낌. 이거 이 검술이 아니라 모든 무술에서 그리고 종합에서도 필히 알아야 될 부분임. 장기말이나 전쟁이나 실생활이나 직업현장에서만 무지라는 말이 쓰이는게 아님. 무술이랑 종격에서도 기술로 제압하는게 진짜 극의임.
As someone who primarily does HEMA but also dabbles in kendo, this was an awesome episode. Loved those shinai zwerchs at the end too. Also, I'd absolutely love to see Naoki Eiga vs. Martin Fabian heh.
@@Kendo_is_fun Didn't even realize he's over 50 already, he looks so much younger lol. But I don't think his age would really hinder him that much, and Fabian is nearing 40 too I think.
정말 중요한 말이라고 생각합니다. 리히테나워류는 검도와 달리 저 거리에서 상대의 칼을 타고 들어가 유술기를 거는 기술이고 검도의 경우 저 거리에서 상대의 칼을 타고 온몸으로 뛰어들어 승부를 보는 차이가 있는듯합니다. 롱소드와 카타나의 형태에 따른 전술의 차이이기도 하겠지만 다른 롱소드 유파는 어떻게하는지 궁금하기도 하네요.
