Ohma Niko style isn't complete to our knowledge I think there is more to offer in the Niko style then the formless cause the formless has no discipline in its attacks and defense. Techniques with no form are for the most part risky. In real life I think a formless technique would be a 'unorthodox ' strike or defensive move, which only works for few fighters, but puts them all at risk of getting clipped....if I'm making sense lol
Some of the Kure techniques look like Niko style techniques, Hardslam and Buddha killer look like variations of flashing steel. Leg thrust looks like an iron breaker kick, and lions bite looks like entanglement.
Very good arguments for both Niko Style and Formless. However, if we compare Ohma's Niko Style and Kanoh's fusion of Formless and Martial Arts we gotta remember that Martial Arts is pretty much an infinite warehouse of almost every martial art out there from grappling and MMA to perfect foresight + evolution. Kanoh had 160+ official Kengan matches and anyone without proportional experience will get fucked including Ohma. Also Kanoh's literally twice Ohma's size so the reach gap will limit Demonsbane to only long range counters which Kanoh will know and gladly exploit.
The formless should be the strongest. Its a martial art without form, like water, it finds a way through. But it's not the martial art but the martial artist.
niko style is stronger when both are in their base form, but if the fight drags out long enough the person using formless will adapt to the opponents strategy
True but kanoh mention formless is unsuited with long consecutive fight so niko style might has edge compare formless not to count formless user could get beaten if the user can see some flaw on formless like kuroki did
@@vincentwijaya5479 he meant feeling out his opponent to find a custom strategy to beat them takes more energy than crushing them with martial arts. That's a moot point in just a single fight and is only applicable in the tournament setting
@@pp-zu2tv I’m not saying it makes you invincible. The fact that you point out that it can “only” deflect pistol fire just makes my point even stronger.
I think tokita niko (ohmas master) developed the base niko style and so did ohma. This style that was developed i think is stronger than formless. I also think formless is just a very complex use of the water kata, just like the grapples of the water kata is unconventional and places emphasis on flexibility and fluidity of motion. Also the move water mirror which he used on his fight with cosmo, says, "there is no specific form for Water Mirror it allows the user to be flexible and change the way they use it in a fight situation". from this i can guess tiger niko used the water kata as a base for the formless and just expanded on that.
I also think the formless isnt unpredictable. But it just adapts to the current situation which counters the style in a way that its hard for them to react. It uses the styles fluidity to do unconventional moves which catches the opponent off guard. If it was really "unpredictable" kanoh wouldnt be able to block lu tiens moves, kanoh was even able to predict to stop atacking one point of the fight or hed lose at that moment. So its definetely not unpredictable but its just hard to predict i guess
A formless user seems to be made of water. Formless seems to rely on extreme muscle relaxation and flexibility. Think shaori for defense, and cockroach dash for offense, but on a way smaller scale. Also it has no fixed form, the body just goes for whatever is the most effective KINDA like ultra instinct, but on a waaaaaay smaller scale. That's how I see formless.
Well actually im not surprised since karla asked ohma to marry her he may or may not give in but im looking forward to whatever kid they have the advance with removal and niko style with kure techniques
@@ThaGuyXaii Spoilers kinda They only taught the "legal" kure techniques aka techniques that are intended for combat sports or general use, they never taught him assassination techniques because Ohma himself doesn't like the idea of assassinating someone
Lmao I remember on February 9th I was thinking about new Technique styles and names like Thee Awakening, Super Son's Style and another was Formless Freestyle lol what a coincidence.
@@dontlikethiscomment removal damaged brain of user and when fighters like Ryan uses removal they just attack on custom way and can't use another technics like Niko style. When ohma uses advance he can put on niko style so....
@@ANINCETO99 Wrong. Advance damages Ohma's heart/body, while removal doesn't have any bad side effects. It's just Raian's personality. He didn't use his techniques at all cuz he's not very smart.
@@dontlikethiscomment nope the side effect of removal is brain problem look fight lu tian vs kanoh , Lu going in another level of crazy. And he got knocked by one shot dragon shot punch.
I have a theory why tiger niko survived and didn't learn the demonsbane. In the trial instead of learning demonsbane he probably learned formless seeing as how the requirements to learn the style are the same as demonsbane.
@@vakojaparidze108 Huh good point but still i wouldn't think that he would just abound it completely the niko style is just too good to let go a combination of both style kinda like how agito does would be more optimal.
nah, martial arts can incorporate the niko style also, in agitos case he has adamantine in the martial art arsenal so you just compare formless+niko style vs niko style, and the first wins ofc.
@@acosteac8050 actually depending on the user the Niko style might win because kanoh practices martial arts and he was fast enough to get lu when he was tense so a Niko style user might be able to do the same with raging fire.
@@r3a1itygamezz14 As Kanoh himslef said in his fight vs Gaolang, it is unuseful to have many styles incorporated, as the time needed to pick a movement increases, even for a few instants that, when fighting Gaolang, become vital
Gotta say Niko Style because the user always has options even when heavily injured, while unfortunately formless once the timing is figured out a good solid hit usually forces the style to crumble.
The Niko style is all about bodily mastery in preparation for the demon's Bane. But come on the Niko style is powerful, but it is looks rigid in comparison to the formless style which incorporates the basics of the Niko style into it. Also the demon's Bane an ultimate counter is not perfect it has the same weakness all counters do timing. Also it's the person that breaks not the style.
@@aidenmurdoch Both Agito and LU Tian had the same issue of if an opponent figured out their timing the technique began to crumble, Ohma even after injures that should be debilitating fought multiple opponents with Various techniques always had options.
Ok I'll explain the formless style since you didn't know. It's a style that uses some moves to beat your opponent. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
My take on both is the Niko style is best preformed when a practitioner puts use to all the forms with seamless transition, none of them have done that yet Omha is the closest. The others including Other Niko perfected the Kata's they were best at then Other Niko leveled it it up to Formless ( my guess water kata) at its perfected limit. Ryuki appears to have his own set ups its not that boxed in to a set of Katas. The developer Ryuki's Grandfather does what works best with any part of his body.
The Niko style has overpowered techniques that the formless style just doesn't, the Niko style is all about mastering fundamentals of martial arts to prepare the user for the demon's Bane. The formless style is influenced by the Niko style but is about using the right technique at the right time. The water look is not about the water Kata it's about fluidly transitioning between moves because we have seen water Kata user's they generally don't look like that when using it.
Hear me out. Give formless style the basic concepts of the niko style (indestructible, weeping willow, bone binding, earth shrinking, water mirror, and demonsbane, aka the techniques that already dont have a set form and can be used whenever). Adding these to formless would make it OP, so just combine the styles
The formless style is a style with no specific form. Therefore it's hard to read//predict the users movement's. The water like effect is them using the water kata. It's a lot like how ohma goes limp to launch demons bane. Makes sense that tiger niko narrowed technique from the niko style to create formless.
Honestly the formless style seems to fall short of most of the overpowered abilities of the Niko style especially the redirection style. But it doesn't seem like it would be weaker than the Niko style, not just because aghito uses it. But because the Niko style seems rigid in comparison. Even the demon's Bane an incredibly powerful technique is a counter which requires mastery of timing prediction redirection and body softening, the best thing for that is the unpredictability of the formless style.
Going to watch the video later but first thoughts is that’s a hard one . Both are extremely versatile and hax styles. Tho agito did have to add martial arts to his repertoire become of the limitations formless had . While ohma is probably on agito level with just niko style alone. So base off that I would say niko style >
Personally speaking, i'd say formless is better than niko because of it's ability to adapt... and adaptation always leads to victory unless, your opponent is Beard, then there would be no guarantee
I dont know if you've ever watched boxing but there was a boxer named ''Smoking'' Joe Frazier. He usually dodged the opponents attacks but always pressuring them and being on the attack while simultaneously bobbing and weaving using eradic head movements. Those movements would also contribute to very strong and unpredictable attacks mid to close range. I think the formless style is something like that but in a MMA setting. The water effect is supposed to represent how it feels for the opponent to throw a strike and then suddenly miss at the last possible second. Like fighting water or air.
Formless would be like water. Imagine trying to choke water it would slip out of your choke imagine trying to strike water it would simply bend around your fist and then return to its former state.
Well in my opinion Formless is better in destructive sense as using that it is just focusing on whoever is in front of you While Niko style can be used as self defense as the more the technique are their the harder to master them and In way of kuroki using the right technique at right time is martial arts But formless has no set technique
I'm a bit late to this video but here is my thoughts. The Niko style is a blend of techniques to allow you to adapt to any fighting opponent, while utilizing or sticking to your strengths. Example Ohma is pretty strong with the Adamantine Kata. I am willing to bet that Tiger niko's mastery of the Niko style is a mastery of the water kata. I believe that he figured out a way or just mastered the water kata to such a high level that he figured out how to apply the water kata to himself, thus creating formless. So in short look at formless as being a master of the water kata of the Niko style. When ever we see the Tiger Niko get into a scrap on screen, if he pulls out the niko style I bet you he uses the water kata to a high level. After all look at how fei attacked Waka. He used primarily the water kata. And look at the Lu tian and Agito fight. A lot of the panels were drawn as if those two were water. Probably foreshadowing or paying respect to the fact that formless is heavily based off of the water kata of the Niko style.
I think the Formless well be the Tiger Niko's counter to Demon's bane. Like what is Formless good at? Not takinging a direct hit. Demon's bane is by its core a counter attack. You can beat counter attack by not taking the hit. So a counter to a counter. Also T.Niko says that the Niko style has reached a dead end and hes right. If D.Bane is is ultimate technique then where does it go from there? There is nothing else to learn and relys on the fighters abilities from there. Now what increases a fighters abilities? The Advance. So boom....T.Niko's goal was to not only have a counter to the D.Bane of the Niko style but to also have a way to advance the abilities of the Niko user and a pure formless user. T.Niko could end up being the person who layed the groundwork to the advancement of a style that has reached it's dead end in the Niko style.
I dont think Tiger Niko trained the Tigers Vessel. I think the Tigers Vessel is one of the surviving Nikos and judging by how he speaks maybe he caused the massacre at the forest.
formless is a style that doesn't go by the book. it can't be predicted, because there is no basis that it is based off. it's all based off in the moment, quickly deciding your next move, and constantly rechoosing another move on the spot instead of having a plan of how you're going to fight. it's literally an on the spot freestyle, reacting as best as you can to the situation and quickly choosing any potential move, instead of sticking to 1 form. That's how I think it is
Idk why any comment I make on here I make it while watching the vid...sorry 😂 and is it just me or was ohma not surpised/impressed by the use of formless ?🤔
So basically you have no respect for lu tians words, all he said is false according to you and advance is indeed the ultimate technique and its better than formless because why not, headcannon is strong. We should focus on what we have in manga and not in our own headcannon, in manga so far we got the confirmation that advance and falled are indeed not good techniqeus. Its actually funny how they call advance a niko style techniques, but in reality it has almost no meaning in the original style itself.
@@mysteriousweeb well the most important basis is that he was the student of the tiger niko, I bet he knew a thing or 2 about his master, from the flashback the tiger niko said that lu tian was/is a rly prodigy, I bet their relation is rly close. Now what basis do you have to say that Lu does not know what he is talking about?
@@acosteac8050 didn't evil Niko also say the formless style was a dead end. That's why Lu Tian knows the removal, also I think it gives credence to the idea evil Niko doesn't know the demon's Bane, since formless is a demon's Bane lite.
I don’t know how far Ohma has come along but I still have a strong feeling in my gut the fang has the upper hand. Witch would mean the Formless is superior. I’m starting to think the Ohma we know is the a clone of the tiger vessel.
The Formless style is basically the Water Kata of the Niko Style on steroids. It's an expanded derivative of the Niko Style. That being said, I think Niko Style is generally better. That isn't discrediting Formless, though. Formless is a very good and versatile style. However, Niko Style has more going for it, and it is overall a better style.
Didn't that tribal fighter from purgatory that Julius fought know some of the niko style i feel like I remember him knowing that for some reason maybe im wrong
His island’s tribe had techniques that were similar to various techniques from the Niko style water kata, but they were not actual Niko style techniques.
To be more precise he had redirection(wind) and water kata's to his mudo style and a combination of both of those making the moving mountain which is inferior demonsbane in that he doesn't adamantine for more mobility.
@@aldokurti3272 to be honest it was his skill that made it a weaker demon's Bane. His redirection skill was obviously below ohma's, I mean he was extremely competent and the adamantine Kata is the least important for the demon's Bane.
So Kiryu still thinks ohma is dead(so I’m assuming) so if ryuki doesn’t go back to kengan and he goes with kiryu. Will the fallen beast revert or will he not take it too serious? But what if he comes back with ryuki and sees ohma? I wonder what will happen
But wouldn't that put omah's niko above even kanoh. I mean he killed the tiger niko who should have been able to use advance which lu tien probably didn't know about while he was already injured and still managed to put up a good fight against kiryu's Master. Also it took the removal to completely destroy his sanity for Liu ten to even think he was stronger than the tiger niko who was probably stronger than Liu ten knew
