Key Players Who Have Been Denied the Hall of Fame 

Mogilny was the first non-North American to lead the league in goals scored (along with Teemu Selänne from Finland), the first Russian and non-North American to be an NHL captain

When talking hall of fame a lot of the time I like to use the argument, "can you tell the history of the game without this player" if yes, then no hall of fame. For example, Alexander Mogilny, you can't tell the history of the game without him because he paved the way for Russians to come over.

Fleury not in makes me sad when I think about about Gary getting in.

Chris Osgood should be in the HOF. It wasn't simply the teams he played with. One could say the same about Grant Fuhr. Curtis Joseph played on really stacked Red Wings teams yet didn't win. You still have to make the stops. Osgood was the model of consistency. He won in 2 eras in Detroit. As a 25 year old, then as a 35 year old. He breached marks not many goalies have. 401 wins, 3 Stanley Cups (2 as starter and one game away from back to back Cups). 2X All Star, 2X Jennings trophy winner, finished in top 10 of Vezina Trophy 3 times, topped 30 victories 6 times over 18 seasons and recorded 50 shutouts with a 2.49 GA and a .905 save percentage. Ozzy played on a lot of crappy Wings teams too, as well as Islanders and Blues with little drop in stats. He's one of only 6 goalies to score a goal directly in the opponent's net (at the time only the 2nd). Last goalie to wear a player's helmet/cage combo mask. Post season alone he helped the Islanders break a 7 year playoff drought and overall has 74 post season victories, a .916 save percentage, 2.09 goals-against average and 15 shutouts. In 2008 he won 9 games in a row to secure another Stanley Cup. Back to back shutouts in the first 2 games of the finals and finished with a 14-4 record with 1.55 GAA and a Cup. Osgood is - 10th All Time in wins by an NHL goaltender 8th in all time playoff wins 4th in all time playoff shutouts 4th all time NHL leader in win percentage 10th goaltender in NHL history to reach 400 wins 3 x Stanley Cup champion (2 as starter) 3 x All Star selection (played 2, one as starter) Led NHL in wins 1996 Led NHL in GAA in 2008 (regular season 2.09 & playoffs 1.55) 744 NHL games played 129 NHL playoff games played 15 NHL playoff shutouts 110 NHL postseason games played with Red Wings (team record for goalies) 16 career NHL points, 4 in playoffs 67 NHL playoff wins for Detroit 14,145 shots against with Red Wings regular season 12,801 saves regular season with Red Wings

JR definitely deserves to be in the Hall of fame. He was one of the greatest American players to be on the ice and an inspiration for other Americans. I grew up watching him and he was an exciting player on a very good early 90's Blackhawks team.

alfredsson is the 51st all time scorer in the NHL and 2nd in scoring by a Swede all time (only behind sundin because he played more games). he's the best Ottawa senator of all time and one of the best leaders on and off of the ice the fact that he hasn't made it into the hall of fame is insane to me

I really hope Henrik Lundqvist doesn't appear on a future list. Even without lord Stanley he should be there.

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Thero Fluery is my favorite player of that era, he was a fiesty small guy. I'm a small guy. Him trying to put on a fans team autographed jeresey cuz his was bloody is a awesome hockey moment

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LOL i'd love to see a music video dude! congrats on the growth your channel has had the past year. you are THE guy for hockey news and discussion IMO.

Fantastic video THG. I learned a lot about players whose names I knew, but nothing else about.

i don't think alfredsson won gold in 2014

wonderfull work THG. one of the best channels for me in general.

Great subject and your analysis is spot on, (Mogilny--yep), Alfredsson, Turgeon, Roenick, yep, yep, yep... Doug Wilson too. Goalies ARE tough to pick. This is why I listen to you, even though you are boring. Jk. You know the white board is for YOU, not your listeners, most of us can't read from our phone screens. Take the next step, get some video editing. Weekly talk show too.

This topic will always have interest. Magilny is an eventual, Turgeon is typical--what do you want out of the guy? Top fifty in scoring. I remember watching him play, a consistent force on the ice, disruptive on defense and dangerous on O, as his numbers show, numbers recorded playing NHL hockey. Not nice? He was there to win, not to be nice, he wasn't a dirty player. . The NHL should honor his warrior spirit that is part of every hockey player. Osgood has good case too. Goalies are SO important, and get such little respect. Yeah, look at the team in front of him, the team that needed consistently solid, and at times spectacularly timely saves, to win those games, keep them in a game. All those forgotten saves. You the voice of hockey fans everywhere.

Pierre Turgeon deserves to be there. The four up top deserve to be there. CuJo, Osgood, Vernon, Hextall, and Barrasso all derserve to be there. I wonder how much sitting on the bench at Piestany hurts Trugeon, which might also deserve its own video, maybe around the time of the WJC.

That is weird that JR isn't in the HOF. He is arguably one of the top 3 American born players of all time.

I nominate the word Kerfuffle for the Hall Of Fame of Life.

I ended up looking through Turgeon's draft class, and I noticed something. MAN what a draft the Canadiens made that year! Andrew Cassels at #17, John LeClair at #33, Eric Desjardins at #38 and Mathieu Schneider at #44. Between them, they played way over 4K NHL games.

Impressive work, I enjoyed this video a lot!

Madness without a magnet should be the title of your autobiography Shannon

Shannon I seen a video of yours awhile back and it was about generational players and franchise players. I was wondering if you still consider Oveckin a franchise player after the last season or so to think about it? The video was from awhile back so it may of been from when you didn't have much faith in him winning a cup.

Mogilny 100% should be in.

Great video! Roenick and Fleury for sure.

Alfredsson should be in. He only played a couple years in Detroit, but in only that time i could see how good he was. And we didn't have him in his prime. Dude, players don't get to decide where they retire if they still want to play and the team isn't willing to continue paying them. Can't all be Steve Yzerman or Nick Lidstrom.

Substance abuse issues should not have any bearing on HOF.

At some point I suspect Doug Wilson will get in, possibly as a GM (particularly if the Sharks can get over the hump). Look at his resume: GM since the 03-04 (2nd longest tenure) season, team made the playoffs 14 of 15 seasons since he took over, despite only having 4 top-10 overall picks in the 16 drafts he's been GM for (#6, #8, #9x2). For much of that time the team was a contender, not just a team that barely eked out a playoff spot. He's pulled off some fantastic trades and managed to bring a team that's "window was closing" around 2012 and have them reach the final in 2016 and a strong contender in 2019. I would say that he likely only gets in if the Sharks get a cup, but what he's done with the franchise has been pretty amazing.

I also think Turgeon and Barasso need to be there too. Turgeon was soft, but has the numbers to back it up. Barasso is another underrated American player.

How is Hextall not in he was a fantastic goalie and the 1st goalie to directly score a goal as a goaltender.

Hey THG! I'd love to see you do a top 5 on Swedish players in Vancouver. There has been quite a few through the years. Gradin? Sundström? Näslund? Sedins? Great videos - keep 'em coming.

Hey hockey guy, I don't know where is the best place to make suggestions for ideas but here's one. Looking at the old Norris trophy winners it would be interesting if you took a look at the "evolution" of nhl awards and how they have changed. Like how the Norris went from best defensive defenceman to best offensive defenceman. or how the selke changed to best two-way forward. etc

I like Claude Lemieux but come on. He doesn't have the body of work to be there. He was great in the playoffs and I would have loved to have ten of him come playoff time or in must win games. He was clutch but not hall of fame worthy. I think he had some key roles in a few Roy ring seasons too.

Barasso won his Vezina Trophy in Buffalo, not in Pittsburgh. He was traded to the Pens on November 1988.

Fun fact: my buddy's big brother got a visit from the FBI for sending pat verbeek a death threat for injuring keith tkachuk. Call that six degrees of separation or something.

This is why the Hockey Hall should start up a Veterans Committee, like the Baseball Hall. If Bob Gainey is in the Hall for winning a bunch of Selkes, Guy Carbonneau should be in there, too (since we're talking Selkes, Rod Brind'Amour should be in there, too).

Great Analysis. Perhaps if you added the factor of the agents of the players you might find an interesting correlation. Some agents are better at talking up their guys and getting them in front of the camera than others.

Alfredsson didn't rebuild the Senators he was better than Yashin when Yashin left. Alfredsson was the franchise player in Ottawa pretty much as soon as he stepped on the ice. He became a legend when he took scored a hat trick in the playoffs and took over that series. He will eventually get in the hall because of the Messier award. No doubt Alfedsson was one of the premiere leaders in the league.

Chris Osgood deserves to get in

A little weird how no one had Guy Carbonneau as a snub, but he gets in. Zubov I've felt belongs but understood why he wasn't, and why he's considered s bubble guy. But Zubov getting in was a shock over Mogilny, Alfredsson, and a couple of those goalies too.

Very late to this party here, but Keith Tkachuk and Jeremy Roenick both should absolutely be in.

"Madness without a magnet" nice :D

In the order I would put them in: Mogilny, Roebuck, Tkachuk (maybe they can have a separate wing for genetic contributions), Fleury and Alfredsson last. I’d also put in Barrasso.

@TheHockeyGuy, statistic pack video nailed it again even in a cubby hole studio/set. What inductee to HHOF boils down to.is Eddie Livingston effect, argue, debate, and huff& puff about the merits of each player to be admitted into HHOF this is what hockey fans get, does he/she go in, why does he/she not get in?? Well done👏👏👏👍🏽

This was good. Need an update if you can

There is no way Alfredsson got gold in 2014. Sweden lost in the final to Canada.

I was at a game in St. Louis at the old Arena and saw Theo Fleury score a hat trick against the Blues and every goal was shorthanded. What a great player he was and should definitely be in the Hall. The issue with the Hall in my opinion is the lack of understanding on the voting process, who is close, who is not close, etc. Baseball and Football for all of their issues at least get this part correct.

Mogilny,Fluery,and Roenick all should be in!!!And a strong case for Tkachuk,Damphousse,and Vrbeek!

Retired NHL 500+ Goal-Scorers Not In The Hockey Hall Of Fame 01. 566 - Patrick Marleau (Eligible in 2025) 02. 538 - Keith Tkachuk (Eligible since 2013) 03. 522 - Pat Verbeek (Eligible since 2005) 04. 515 - Pierre Turgeon (Eligible since 2010) 05. 513 - Jeremy Roenick (Eligible since 2012) 06. 503 - Peter Bondra (Eligible since 2010)

I like your thought process and agree with you. Many players have earned their stripes and have not been inducted due to the voting process and past negative publicity. I would vote the top 4 in and then some. The fans that watched them know how much they earned it.

Guy Carbonneau was the best defensive forward of his generation (ask a guy named Wayne Gretzky). He won 3 cups and was a face-off master. He should definitely be in there with Mogilny, Alfredsson, Fleury, Roenick... I would also put Turgeon, Damphousse, Tkachuck and even Brind'Amour in too... but Gary Bettmen though... He's the best ever! ;D

You're right we would love to see Peter Bondra in the hall. And you're also right in that it probably won't happen.

In my opinion, Mogilny, Roenick, Osgood, Barrasso, Fleury, Turgeon, Tkachuk, Joseph, Vanbiesbrouck, Hadfield, and possibly Thomas, should be in. It's criminal how few goaltenders make it into the hall of fame. I was glad to see Wilson and Alfredsson get in.

Alfredsson was a very clutch player aswell which the stats unfortunately don't show, unless you look at GWG i guess

Hey Hockey Guy, any plans on a free agent prediction video?

As much as I hate Roenick, but 14th in GWG ... damn!

Great video. You covered just about every player that comes to mind when talking about snubs, but I believe Sergei Zubov is another! He may not have won a Norris bury I don't care. 2 cups with 2 different teams. The 94 Rangers he was they're reg season leading scorer and very valuable in their cup run. He was an amazingly smooth defenseman, great skater, solid two way player, fantastic pp player and passer. A very consistently great defenseman. When my Pens traded him to Dallas for half washed up Hatcher, I was the only guy in Pittsburgh that thought the trade was terrible. He clashed as a pp quarterback with Lemieux and "didn't shoot enough" so he was run out of town. BIG mistake. After a year we traded Hatcher for something named Peter Popovic. Ffs

Mogilny and Fleury need to be there for sure

Do a video on Jesper Wallstedt. Look him up. He was playing in the same league as Jacob Markstrom in his draft -4 year as Markstrom played in his draft year. That means at 13 turning 14 he played in the league Markstrom did as a 17 turning 18 year old. At 14 he debuted in the Swedish U20 League..... and then placed 4th in Sv%.

Also, thanks for all the Osgood love. He should be there, or some others should never had made it. That simple to me.

Alfredsson got it, 4 more to go! (counting Turgeon)

Do you think some voters forget who isn't in the Hall already? Like I forgot Mogilny wasn't in already

Maybe Doug Wilson gets into the HOF as a builder.

The Hockey Hall of Fame is the easiest to make in all of the four major sports. I'm surprised everyone who has ever played isn't in it.

Is there an update to this video? If not, is now a good time to do one?

im a person who takes the triple gold club very serious. i think that enough should almost be HOF worthy. just amazing though. as time goes on more great players will be elgerible. do you think they ever add more than 4 players a year?

Dave Taylor and Mike Vernon deserve to be in the HOF.

It's the hockey HOF, not the human HOF. Guys like Fleury, Roenick, and yes, even Damphousse belong.

i always hate the idea of not winning titles because its a team thing, this is a carry over of how the nba marketed MJ and now every team is adopting this false narrative, because you need a team to win a title not a single player. find it very frustrating that its keeping players from multiple sports out of the hall over something they can not control. then those same people will bash them for going to a good team to win or being lucky being on a good team.....so horrible

Do you think Zubov should be there? Just asking

When the Hawks won the first of three Stanley Cups, I remember JR broke down and tears came out it showed his heart will always be a Chicago Blackhawk.

Hextall also won the Conn Smyth in 87... that said, I still don't believe he is HoF worthy.

Have you ever done a post on the weakest inductees into the HHOF?

When you think that popularity contests end after high school something like this happens. We live in a very immature society.

Tom Barrasso was definitely not playing for the Penguins in 1984, he got traded to them not all that long before the cup runs.

There are a lot of goalies who are probably worthy of being in the Hall but the fact that a lot of them never won cups is a huge reason why. I'm a huge hextall fan hes one of the reasons I picked up a goalie stick as a kid. And as much as he deserves to be in there for really revolutionizing the position he wont get in because he never won a cup. Barrasso will probably get in at some point I think he was one of, if not the first, goalie to break into the NHL at 18-19 years old

Ron Hextall? Talk about pioneers, the guy was only the first goalie to score a goal and also won the conn smythe on a losing team and the vezina as a rookie

There IS an Art Ross winner who isn’t in the Hall: Herb Cain in 1944 who shattered the record for points in a season

also i agree since im from ottawa even though im a nuck fan i felt like alfie should have stayed in ottawa but it was the owner/ GM fault they dint want to spend the $$$

01. John Ross Roach: 1921-1935 (14 Seasons) (219 Wins) (58 Shutouts) (1 Stanley Cup) DEAD - 73 02. Lorne Chabot: 1926-1937 (11 Seasons) (200 Wins) (71 Shutouts) (1 Vezina) (2 Stanley Cups) DEAD - 46 03. Dave Kerr: 1930-1941 (11 Seasons) (203 Wins) (51 Shutouts) (1 Vezina) (1 Stanley Cup) DEAD - 68

I guess a question to be asked is, do we have a lower bar for non Canadian players? Should the best of the Americans, Swedes, ect be in even if the wins, points, or awards aren't all there?

the guy that started the punch up and the only Canadian that refused to fight during the punch up.....

I agree with all of them except for maybe Alfredsson,but I wouldn't argue hard against him either. I definitely think Tkatchuk,Bondra,Turgeon,and Barrasso should be in as well.

Well Alfredsson is in the HoF now

not sure in passing comment in this video did you mention Martin Brodeur. We all know he's HHOF kryptonite between the pipes. Harks back to Draft breakdown video you put up projecting future netminders await drafting will be 8ft tall. You covered most areas in this video, don't blacklist your list for getting into a game Prudential Ctr NJ lol

Barrasso and Turgon to me stand out on that list. They should be there for sure. Alfredsson is going to be in for sure it's just a matter of time really and him being a late round pick and playing in Ottawa might be the downfall really.

I know this vid is mainly about non-goalies....but I hate the Pens, but Barrasso should be in. . Calder . 1 Vezina . three (3) times 2nd place Vezina . one (1) 3rd place Vezina . one (1) time 7th place Vezina . one (1) 9th place Vezina . three (3) times top 10 Hart trophy votes (plus an 10th place finish) I know "only" one Vezina, but the amount of top-5 and top-10 votes has to count for something

Mike Milbury holds the record for amount of fans hit with a shoe, why isn’t he in the HOF?

Fleury deserves it. The man dealt with the trauma of being a biracial post colonial metis by product and then was sexually abused by Graham James as a junior player. Despite all that makes the NHL and excels for years. Battles demons wins gold. Goes through hell and back again and is now fighting the good fight. They need to look at all he has done i ln his life now.

Hockey should have a Hall of Grit. Because not every great hockey player or play is a stat compiler. It's not baseballl, and football generally does get around to the guys who are great but not in stat terms.

You’re missing Ron Hextall for Conn Smythe winner

Tom Barrasso was a Saber when he won the Vezina. Separate thought, is not waving the normal 3-year wait a "snub" for Jagr?

That vintage Colorado jersey tho...

It's a real problem that Alexander Mogilny is not in the Hall of Fame. One of the most purely talented players of his era as well as one of the most important. That's the inductee I'd put in first among all the people you mentioned.

the sad part of hall of fames , is those who decide who gets in... it shuld never be about anything other than performance or if did something important ! personality, and or legal issues should not be a factor.... ! just for instance lidstrom super nice guy, and all time great, but if he happen be a jerk, he would still be great player, does not effect his play any ...

Time to get Theoren Fleury in. He's got the numbers, awards and all-star games. Also the way he played as a smaller forward when there was more clutching and grabbing. Yes he had off ice issues but the story has been out on the likely causes from being sexually abused in his junior career. Glen Anderson had off ice issues and he's in, time for Theoren Fleury to get his due plus retire his number with the Calgary Flames.

Mike Vernon needs to be in the HOF!

Mike Vernon will get in. He carried the wings in 97....edit..i honestly thought he was already in...

When NHL Radio talked about McGilny, their argument was that you have official criminals in the Hall, but McGilny isn't...

Wait, you can totally understand if Theo's substance abuse issues keep him out of the Hall of Fame? Isn't it more impressive that he was as good as he was while battling those issues? You sound like you are from 100 years ago with that attitude.