Hey Coffee Crew! We’re exploring the world of Jody Herring today… Which seems very dark and deluded if you ask me. This case was a challenge - hardly any history or media to Jody before the fact, so I wanted to put myself to the test. What do you think of Jody Herring’s case? Was she doomed to be a murderer from the start? What external mistakes were made along the way? Please let me know below.
Some people don't need to speak, their 👀 speak louder... She was mentally sick and there was no intervention... And her previous crimes and not new to law made her think she can always come back to society. Oops!!! Not this time.
You should look into the case of Cassidy rainwater. Pictures were found on the dark web of her in a cage, which led the police to the guys property. When they arrested him the guy was eating a sandwich with human remains and he even joked that he fed some ribs to his neighbors. Still a developing case with 20+ suspected victims and even suspected ties to the Springfield 3.
I forgot to mention she was found skinned and hanging like a deer. When they went to question the guy before the arrest, the police could see meat hooks hanging through a window in the bathroom.
One of the saddest parts is something not mentioned. This case was covered in a show called “Deadly Women,” and in the episode, it was found that when Lara was shot and ultimately killed, she was on the phone with one of her daughters. Unfortunately the girl listened to the entire event unfold and now must live with that for the rest of her life.
That's so sad. Reminds me of the Nick Cordova case out of Arizona. He was facetiming with his two young kids when shot and killed.. they still haven't found his murderer. It's just heartbreaking.
One thing I have never been able to understand is why, when children are taken into custody for their own safety, they wouldn't take *all* siblings into custody as well. If this mother was so unsuited for parenthood that they took her two oldest away, why the hell would they leave the youngest (and thus most vulnerable) behind!?!?
Yeah, I've always been confused by that as well. Especially since while it's understandable that sometimes children aren't safe with their parents and need to be taken away from them, to be separated from your parents can still be quite traumatic for children. Why add to the trauma by taking away their siblings as well?
Because there are groups of people and organizations that fight the legislation and implementation of laws surrounding child protection and the ability for the government to remove children from problem families/situations. They employ lobby groups and any political means available to minimize the ability of authorities to act. Whenever there are weird nonsensical laws like this it is invariably because of some special interest group, whether it be on behalf of religious groups, corporations or others, that have fought the implementation and what ends up remaining are weird compromise situations that make no logical sense. Still probably better than nothing but overall wholly insufficient.
In the rest of her statement before sentencing, she said she reacts to stress “differently from everybody else” and that she’d asked for help several times and never gotten it. Gee, she’d been hospitalized at a psych facility for evaluation, and then, she was going to get to stay and receive treatment for at least three months, which is very rare. Usually, it’s in and out in around three days. She would’ve had a detox program, meds to help her with her anxiety, a variety of different types of therapy groups geared toward helping people find different ways of coping - art, music, meditation, yoga, anger mgt, physical exercise, etc. - support groups, therapy, rest and above all, a stress-free environment. But, yet, she filed for release after just a month. The hospitalization was also completely free of charge. So, short of someone actually living her life for her, it sounds to me like she rejected one of the most critical “help’s” that could’ve been given her.
A symptom of mental disorder often includes distrust and therefore resistance to help. This is where law needs to step in assertively, so that patients don't get a choice and are therefore kept in the custody of mental health professionals, then under supervision once discharged. I know it's not cheap, but did the case worker deserve to lose her life, b/c our system puts public safety last?
The thing that separates your channel from others , you attach so much emotions to the story and you really give more importance to the victim than the culprit ..so kudos to you !
Oh, God... When you said that you wished to stop, I felt the blood drain from my face as you continued and that she killed her cousins and family members. That was absolutely horrific. Jody getting life sentence with no parole had me cheering. The fact that she had the _audacity_ to say that she could learn from this after gunning down not only her family members but a woman that was doing her job, with a parole is quite a sickening thing to ask for. Jody is where she belongs, behind iron bars and surrounded by slabs of concrete walls and ceiling.
We fostered children. Two happened to be amber alert children that had been taken. A car followed us in many occasions. And even followed the case worker. Nothing was done. Child work often involves risks people don't see :(
So you take children from possibly just divorced parents and you wonder why they’re angry at you? If you had real children you might understand why a parent would be mad
@@david-468 wow. All of what you said is so wrong. 1) "real children" is super offensive. And I do have two biological children. Most of the children we fostered were willing given to the system, or were failure to thrive children. Please think before you speak.
I get that Jody's children were taken from her for their own safety & it's great but, what about her own childhood? Where was DCF when she was getting abused? Very sad case...RIP all four victims!
I'm guessing it was like the 1970s or 80s at the time. Child abuse and helping victims of child abuse, especially in a rural area with few people, wasn't a priority at the time
@@iris5678 CPS kidnaps children and drops them in even worse homes every day they have no oversight. No they didn't even exist until the 80's parents in the 70's considered sane would react the same. Conditioning has made it normal and acceptable in today's society.
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The fact that none of those bystanders went to warn anyone in the office or call the police on a woman who was screaming in a car is really infuriating.
I have experienced abuse of all kinds from my parents and other family members starting well before I could even speak, however, I have never dreamt of hurting another person. I would lash out on myself before I could even think of harming someone else. I have been in therapy (and on medication) for years and have succesfully treated C-PTSD because I took the steps to advocate for myself and get help to heal. I turned my life around by myself to create a safe space for myself and for others. Right now I'm in the process of donating my eggs pro-bono and establishing a framework for mentoring troubled youth in music and audio engineering and fostering at risk children in the future. Jody's upbringing was beyond messed up (no child deserves that) but her choice to take the lives of these people cannot be excused by her upbringing. There are many people out there who probably had it worse than me, but they aren't out here murdering people. Adrian, as always, outstanding work on this video. I work from home and listen to your videos all day in the background whilst guzzling litres of coffee.
Jody didn’t blame the one person she should have for the loss of her kids. Herself. You can see the evil in her eyes. She deserves to rot in prison. Coffeehouse Crime is my favorite true crime channel.
Some people no matter what can't be helped. My sister has BPD and she won't seek help so I've cut her off from my life. She has wreaked havoc in our family. We tried to help her, but it just makes her go into a rage. So...this was inevitable. Big issue is easy access to guns and her upbringing. She's a victim too. Some choose to change and some just won't or cant, unfortunately.
Honestly I don't think more access to care would've done much in this case. Care only works if you actually want to be helped, and she preferred to blame everyone and everything but herself.
But you only know what you know, she treated the world the way the world treated her....not to mention her mental issues on top of that. If she had a rich loving family maybe this would have been a completely different story...it's all just depressing
Hey Adrian! Coffee crew love from Vermont! Always hype to see a video pop up on my timeline but having one so close to where I’m living was odd haha, amazing to learn about something like this and loved the video as always!
Vermont is a very safe place, it has the second least violent crime per capita in the US. And yet, there are a large number of rural poor, and a portion of these abuse drugs and alcohol. I've heard that Barre now has a big fentanyl problem.
Became the most unfit mother, got her children taken away from her, not accept help to become well so she can get her children back, and then blame everything to the people who just want to keep her children safe. This is textbook narcissism. They never take responsibility for their own troubles and miseries. They never look within, they always look for someone else to blame. Nor they care about other people. All they care about is victimizing themselves all the time. She said it hurts to get her children taken away, that's all she cares about, how much it hurts and puts the blame on others. This behavior is absolutely disgusting.
I really believe if murders cases were approached as mental cases, murders could be slowed down at an astonishing rate. If you treat the monster as a monster it will continue to act as a a monster. But maybe if you treat the monster as a patient and try to understand them it can become your friend. The mind is in incredible machine, try to understand how it works or malfunctions before you throw it to the dump.
this is very well presented. i like it alot. i will definitely implement it in my life. it likely will have very little of an impact but, if the right person hears it, the world has a way of rippling :) youre a good egg.
What that woman did is simply outrageous, I don’t care what she went through as a child she made the choice to be an alcoholic drug addict. Who couldn’t even provide a home for herself, let alone the kids. she chose to not access help and stay in her. Darkness, blaming everyone else for losing her children, and never doing anything remotely positive to improve her situation. She is selfish and evil to the core. She destroyed, so many lives, and still refuses to take ownership, she certainly deserve to spend the rest of her life in jail.💛💛💛
She’s the only one responsible for her children being taken away. If she wasn’t a negligent drug addict of a “parent” she would have kept custody no matter how many people called cops. The blame is fully on her. Tragic that lives were lost for being a Good Samaritan who cared about the well-being of the kids
Seeing this case right now after watching so many cases where DCF didn't help children that needed it and this Woman did and did her job to look out for children in terrible situations makes me so sad and upset .I feel it's a shame that someone who did help children gets murdered and all the ones that did noting still have their jobs with no punishment at all ,just so unfair and sad .But I also can't help but feel horrible for Jodi as a child and young person who never got any help when She needed it and then ,when it was to late and she didn't want it .All the children that r left to live in terrible and sick homes where they're being abused and unloved ,if they grow up ,will end up in jail r dead .
Besides the unfortunate outcomes of such crimes, I'm always left wondering how do homeless and unemployed people afford to indulge in alcohol or drugs, and even find partners. How does it not make them absolutely wary of bringing children into such a life?! Beats me
Who feels this woman's pain? Who protected her & her brother thrown into the street? Why is she the only one with consequences . That's the criminal part of our system
Jody's Mom is also responsible for this tragedy. She kicked her kids out when Jody was only 11. As a parent, it breaks my heart to even imagine how those poor kids survived.
Irresponsible parents are equally responsible for what their neglected/abused child/children goes on to do later in life. I really wish people wouldn't so randomly and without any plan/thought, give birth. Like if the person/couple is too young, not settled financially or otherwise...! These reckless, unprepared (to have children) "parents" are responsible for future criminal/murderers as well.
@@leenaholmes2271 def agree. But not all people who have kids thay arent financially secure turn this way, part of it like you saud is the dysfuntional parent, then its what the child does, do they rise above the hardships or not? I was abondoned by my dad at 12 and my mither was always more worried about her relatiinship than me. But when i finally found someone to spend my life with, even though we struggle, we struggle together and have each others back. I got lucky, i didnt let the darkness consume me and found someone good for me. As a result we have been married almost eleven years, always surprise ppl when we say that, and actually spent 6 years working at the same place as a team. But you are correct that the vast majority of ppl dont get such fortunate curcumstances.
I worked in this DCF office, not when this happened, but I live in this area and know some of the people involved, and followed this case, as well the trials and tribulations of her daughter, and have never seen it covered on any of the dozens of crime channels I’ve followed over the years (yours being the best of the bunch as far as I’m concerned right now 👍). This affected the local community greatly. Thank you for taking the time to delve into it. I thought I knew most of this story. My cousin was also murdered here by her National Guard boyfriend (Laura Jean Cousins, RIP 🙏 in Winooski in August 2008), which at the time was one of only 6 murders that year in the entire state. It is a beautiful place and the community is amazing. I’m rambling but just wanted to thank you.
@Yomas Riprud If Vermont is anything like Michigan, I wouldn't bet money on that. I have a cousin who's birth mother used her as bait to get boyfriends, if you know what I mean. The state didn't sever rights and put her up for adoption (which is how she became my cousin) until the abuse had been going on for years and scarred her for life. I've lost all touch with her, last I heard she was unable to keep a job and had been living on the streets.
@Yomas Riprud Yes she would. That's what DCFS does. They literally give the parents a list of things they need to do. The state doesn't want to keep your kids. There are never enough state or foster homes for the children that have been removed. The whole point is to help the parents get their shit together so that their kids can come home. That's what it exists for.
@@rememberme626 yes, I have heard that. I do feel bad that it seems like she never really healed from the loss of her father. He must have been very special. I'm sure life would have been very different had he not been killed.
I have a coworker who has been fostering kids for decades. She’s had quite a few where the court decided to give the kids back to their parents and the kids end up dead in a dumpster. It’s heartbreaking to hear her stories. I hate to say it, but some parents should never get their kids back. Period.
Unfortunately your right about that. I know of a baby that died in her home while under DCF care. They let the baby go back home with its mother who was a known heroin addict, DCF was supposed to be checking in frequently and one day the baby was dead. The mother used one night, put the baby in bed with her and woke the morning to find her baby had suffocated during the night while she was passed out cold. So sad.
I got lucky myself. My birth parents were evil, to the point that my “stepdad” placed a fake car bomb to threaten the case worker trying to stop it. Fortunately, God Himself intervened and got me out, and adopted into a better family. The chances of this happening are astronomical, and I am thankful every day that I was given this chance to escape the darkness. Who knows where or who I would be had this not happened, thank God that did not happen.
@@Prawnsacrifice I don’t believe in these astronomical chances happening on their own though. I do firmly believe in God, just not the bigoted asshole the Christians made Him into
Don't hate to say it, it's the pure truth. Getting pregnant or getting a woman pregnant is no assurance at all that a person should have a child. It should take more to be allowed to have children, if you ask me, like ability to provide shelter, food for your own self, employment, childcare mandatory childcare and developmental psychology classes (like months of weekly classes) AND both prospective parents should have to have been together at least 2 full years WITHOUT there being any domestic violence reports filed or restraining orders by either of them.They should have to pass some tests on how not to scar your children too. We make fishermen have to get licenses, for crying out loud but any nut can have 8 kids and just walk away from them. Many should never be allowed to conceive at all, and those who've screwed up with their first, 2nd, 3rd time, should not be allowed to conceive anymore. Like one lady I read about had 6 children living in long term foster care but she got married again and got pregnant again....
As has been said about some other cases like these - we can feel bad for the child that endured such things, while also criticizing the actions of the adult once that child grew up. No excuse for her actions, but it's so terrible when you can see what led them down a certain path...
Yep. Firstly her family especially her mother should have done better, way better, she should have been for there for her child that was clearly struggling not to mention being raped and forced to have a rapists baby, that should never have happened.
Again, landing herself in a hot coffee” 😂🤣 I don’t think anything would have changed if she had spent some more time in a MH facility. RIP to those innocent women🙏🏾
@@Kurichestnut320 hmm... I see what you mean actually. I still don’t know if that would have been the case you know. Cos if you deep it, her motive seemed really strong. From the story, she seemed hell-bent on getting rid of them and I feel like 2-3 months away from them could have gone either way; it could have either grown her urge to kill them or made her see things in a more positive light.
Yeah…..that was a poor comparison. I’m glad the court system wasn’t falling for that crap and threw the book at her. She should have gotten the death penalty.
@Radiant Siren I have sympathy for her past self but not her current self , she didn't even try for her children just blamed others around her. She refused help over and over, maybe she could have been forcibly held but being held against your will in a state like that probably wouldn't have helped. Maybe if she had a better childhood this would have never happened but it did happen and she was a 40 year old women that committed these crimes. At some point in your life it's up to you to make your own choices and decisions and I know it's not easy to break the cycle but her childhood is not a good enough reason for what she did.
one problem we have today is soldiers come back from war and will kill others just out of rage due to their ptsd. Now imagine that ptsd magnified by 100 and experienced by an abandoned child who doesn't know how to raise children because she was never raised by a parent. Add to this serious signs of schizophrenia and a possible personality disorder, personality disorders are developed when someone experiences so much trauma as a child their brains are permanently altered. She needed long term mental health care, not to be judged or punished. She needed so much help and my heart aches for her because this is exactly what mental health is in the US. People can understand depression and anxiety but the moment someone is "too ill" people cut them out and try to punish them instead of help them. They watch people fall apart and never help, and when everything finally breaks we blame them and say they deserve to be punished. This is exactly why, though I love true crime, I have trouble finding anyone who doesn't stigmatize mental health and doesn't try to understand or sympathize with those who have committed crimes. They make fun of them for having real, torturous mental health disorders and then compares all people with that disorder to them.
😭 My ex suffers from epilepsy due from a traumatic brain injury. He suffers from 4 different types of seizers and one of them, an absence seizure, causes him to stare blankly into space. That's the first thing I thought about when they said Jody would would stare with a blank look on her face. This is just as bad, if not worse, than Grand Mal seizers. Especially if her mother never took her to a doctor and got on medication. Seizers caused so much damage to the brain and unfortunately, people sometimes turn to drugs to deal with it. My ex went from being a loving, kind and intelligent man, to forgetting everything from my name to his mother being dead. He became irritable 24/7, and called objects the the wrong name. For example, he would point at his toothbrush and ask me to please hand him his peski. Of course I would be completely confused and ask him to repeat himself and he'd say peski again. Then grab his toothbrush and get mad at me for not knowing what he's talking about and confused as to why I didn't understand him. If I tried telling him that peski wasn't a word and it's actually called a toothbrush, he would give me the same look I gave him as if he had never heard the word toothbrush in his life. It's very sad and I can not believe that somebody has never wanted to test this woman 😥
3:33 Just a side-note, seizures aren't a mental illness, they're a physical one. Poor mental health can trigger seizures in an epileptic, but the epilepsy itself is a disorder of neurons firing improperly, not a chemical imbalance. Sometimes there's a cause for it like brain trauma from a car crash, or sporting accident (in my case, brain surgery) and other times it's completely unknown. Mental health treatment would have been great, as this lady clearly had plenty of mental health issues, but medical help should have been sought first to figure out why she was having seizures.
Oh now that you mentioned head trauma... it's too possible to ignore, but it could be her mother's doing and they just-- I'm more mad at her family, honestly. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm fine with her actions, but really, all of these could've been avoided (as with most murder cases). She was a jolly little kid too...
@Amarianee I wonder if Adrian was assuming that Jody Herring had PNES (Psychogenic non-epileptic seizure) which appear like seizures but are actually due to psychogical factors not physical ones. If she did have PNES then mental health treatment such as psychotherapy and cognitive behavioural therapy may have helped. If she was having seizures due to epilepsy (or another physical cause) then mental health intervention wouldn't have helped the seizures. As you rightly state though she would have required medical intervention to assess the cause of her seizures to adequately treat them whatever their cause - whether physical or psychological.
I was thinking the same. The fact that the refer to her staring off in distance multiple times from childhood to court case. Should have been treated earlier.
Truly depressing story all around. Imagine if she'd received more love, care, and attention as a child. Background obviously doesn't absolve her, but it definitely shaped her.
Most of these murderers have horrible backgrounds of childhood abuse, mental health issues etc. They still know right from wrong and decided to do wrong. She must be loving the free food, free shelter, free healthcare etc. She probably already has a gf on the inside.
Think of all the people who have had equally bad or worse childhoods yet they don’t go on to kill people. If everyone who has had tragedy or neglect in their childhood went on to act out what a world that would be.
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In my area if you have a mental illness or mentally not there you are just allowed to wander the streets and be homeless. No help, no medical to stabilize their brain or to get back on their feet. Just give them food and carry on even if they wield a knife saying satan is telling them to kill….
I totally agree. Not only was she mentally unstable, but the drugs & booze had probably put paid to any shred of ability to "think". Also, as so often is the case with addicts - all the bad things that happen to them are other people's fault!! They never look in the mirror.
@@starscream4837 in he case it was the fault of others . she had a crappy life from the get go and she was offered help when she was already far too gone with drugs. I dont excuse her actions though.
My step dad is a social worker/therapist and was actually attacked once by his own patient. I always fear that somethings going to happen and this is the first time I've heard anyone talk about them needing more protection. Thank you
@Stevie Williams I agree, that’s awful, but my step dad doesn’t work in foster care. He works at an institution for adults with mental illnesses that prevent them from holding a job and provides them housing and ways to make money. Knowing my step dad, he would agree that’s an issue, but remember there are several types of social workers. Not all of them work in foster care and are evil
My mother has been a social worker for migrants for over 20 years (she’s a migrant herself) Shes 65 now. And it’s crazy to see how she will probably work till the day she dies because this country doesn’t value it’s teachers/healthcare workers/mental health care workers.
I am a social worker that works with disabled children/adults/elderly people. I go into people’s homes every day for work, and most of the time you never know what you are walking into. It can definitely be scary sometimes and I have had quite a few run ins on the job. I am also glad he brought up social worker safety, as it definitely seems to be overlooked.
I legitimately feel bad for social workers, governments just tie their hands and toss them into the pit. Here in Norway, two social workers were stabbed by a desperate individual. One survived, but the other died at the scene
@@NicoPlaysitAll problemet er at det er regjeringen som holder de igjen, og de er opplært til å holde roen uansett situasjon(som for mesteparten tolkes som arrogant)
@@waterdamagedtextbook9858 I seriously hope you don't think that social workers should show up armed to domestic violence calls. Everything in this is so wrong. The general idea was given by NicoPlays: it is not their fucking job. It is not their job to handle dangerous individuals. It is not their job to protect others physically. It is not their job to restrain people. They don't receive intense training about this kind of situations and the use of fire arms. They aren't "guardians of the law" or anything like that.
That's not all that uncommon. I have a friend from Texas whose father purportedly shot himself in the face. ... With a shotgun. **Three times**. But it was ruled a suicide.
There are so many cases about children being failed by social workers, and the system, and yet when they get it right they pay the price. I hope her children are safe and happy wherever they are, and I'm glad they got away from her in time because she was always a ticking time bomb.
Also unfortunately, CPS (alongside Bureau of Land Management) is one of the bigger targets of the 'freedom!' movement, so they frequently get threats and receive surprisingly little political and law enforcement support. CPS tends to both be chronically underfunded and under-protected. The are very politically unpopular esp away from major population centres.
Exactly...a case where the social worker actually cared enough to do her job properly to protect the kids...only for her to be murdered by this maniac.
@@supastar25 not sure you can blame the actual social workers when they just follow their rules and guidelines. Unless of course they don't do their job properly
It’s gonna take a whole village to rework the system. For example you will have to set up a place to take in children who are being abused. That would reduce cases of children growing up not being cared for or not receiving mental care. This will help them be more stable parents and less likely to repeat the cycle. You would need to education heavily on anti drugs. Give people realistic reasons drugs are bad. You could lose your kids. You could hurt them, etc. You would need family members to not ignore warning signs of people saying they will kill others and report it. You would have to take each case seriously. It’s a lot of work, and it doesn’t seem to be getting better.
Oh yeah, being kicked out at 11 and ending up probably prostituting herself, being abused by god knows who and ending up with children with no help whatsoever, and becoming a drug addcit to endure it all BEFORE turning adult sure was her fault. Do you freakin listen to yourself? You make my blood boil
@@faerie9200 that's very unlikely as dysfunctional adults have been traumatized as kids. the whole point of a balanced good childhood is to raise you to be a fully functional adult. She was not given that opportunity to grow in a healthy environment.
I can't believe you made a video on this case. Me and my brothers are some of the kids Lara helped through DCF and she became very close to us, I can hardly remember that part of my life now but my uncle passed from cancer today and brought up a lot of stuff from then. My mom was talking with me and some family when Jody and Lara came up. Mom told us that Lara became extremely close to my brother and when he learned about what happened he was devastated. He said "They killed my best friend". Someone from the family said she spread Lara's brain matter everywhere. I just wanted to share this somewhere.
Hey, my name is Julia. I am Lara Sobel’s daughter. Thank you for sharing the impact that she had on your and your brother. Hearing from the kids, parents, and families that she worked so tirelessly to help is bittersweet but makes me feel closer to her again. She was the best mom ever and I miss her every day.
@@juliasobelfaryniarz Your mom was an incredible person and she will always be missed. I hope my story provided something positive for you even if it is the smallest amount.
@@MarshallisLazyToo It definitely did! It is hard to read through many of the other comments that don’t come from such an empathetic and kind place but this one made me smile and was a bright spot in my day.
@@juliasobelfaryniarz I know how hard it can be reading comments that aren't great but I'm glad I was able to provide a little light in the darkness of the world.
i had a childhood quite similar to hers, got borderline personality disorder and c-ptsd from it, and have never so much as thrown a punch. it's very important to acknowledge the trauma she endured. it's equally important to not make excuses for her behavior.
Finally somebody addresses this! Thank you! She was the murderer. She chose to blame everybody else for her situation, because she was too lazy to do the hard work of getting her children back...
Some folks need to stop correcting others & respect that we all have different opinions & none are “wrong”. How totally narrow minded & narcissistic to assume your 𝒐𝒑𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒔 are the only correct ones.
If your mother throw you out of the house as an 11-year-old kid maybe today you would be having a completely different destiny and a life path! I feel sorry for the poor families who lost their loved ones.
Yeah, idk how that still qualified under "neglect." If solely neglectful treatment, which I doubt it was, this def stepped it up to abuse. Either way, I don't see how child neglect isn't also simultaneously abuse and vice versa. Sure she could be rehabilitated, but a potential relapse would likely send everything spiraling, just as before. Regardless, sometimes one offense is committed with so much brutality there's no 2nd chance to be given, like with Joshua Phillips.
@@robinmcinarnay7827 they are defined definitely abuse is to threaten or harm neglect is to simply not care for 👍 I mean it could be argued that her kicking them out would put them in harm's ways tho so I see what your saying but in court I can see why she would be charged with neglect 🙂
She didn’t loose her kids. She gave them up when she chose to use drugs and refuse help. When I fell into a deep depression after my 4th child, I reached out for help because my kids are my life. Her tears didn’t move me at all, they added insult to the injury of her thoughtless words.
My question in all this is: could all this have been prevented if someone had helped Jody when she was a child herself and clearly needed someone to be there for her and keep her safe. It is no excuse but I think her upbringing clearly plays a part in why she did what she did.
The Cyntoia Brown defense only seems to work if you limit your murdering to single men. Once you go after other women or children the defense starts to fall apart.
@@CAHSR2020 oh I am not defending her, not by far. What she did was horrible and inexcusable and I have absolutely no sympathy for her. I just think that lives could have been saved if she had gotten help when she was a child.
What a depressing story. It was so sad to hear about her past. I think she just felt like her children were the only people keeping her sane in her horrible life. May the victims rest in peace.
Jesus, this is definitely a testament to how devastating experiencing trauma and abuse during developmental periods can be, and Jody just continues the cycle by traumatising her family and poor Lara’s family. Her traumatic past doesn’t excuse her actions, though.
Exactly. I think it's important for us all to understand that monsters aren't born. They are created. And if we protect children better and support them when they have gone through trauma then we might prevent them from inflicting trauma on others. A lot of people think looking at a person's past means you're making excuses for them, but it's not. She deserves the consequences of her crime, but it helps us as a society to see where she came from and how she got here.
@@ijustneedmyself 100% agree. If there’s anything I’ve learned as a psychology student (with an interest in true crime) it’s how impactful trauma and abuse in childhood / adolescence can have on someone in how they develop and what their later life looks like, and that includes some of the circumstances they end up in that will ultimately give them the opportunity to make awful decisions. We all have the freedom of choice, but the circumstances that lead up to those decisions are important to consider too.
Jody spent all that time plotting revenge instead of getting herself together and do what is needed to get her kids back. SMH Its easy for women like Jody to have kids but the ones truly deserving of kids can't have any.
What I wonder is: Jody's family was so large, so many aunts and cousins... How could she end up many times homeless ? Was no one in her family there to help her before she completely went off the rails ?
@@hensonlaura I hope they don't come out as fucked up as their mom is. They deserve a good future, but speaking honestly, they are probably gonna be messed up mentally for a long while.
fuck this. I had almost the exact same thing happen to me when I was eight and suffered abuse from both step parents as long as I lived with them, so whatever crime she committed that you're about to tell me about, I still think was inexcusable. I've been so close to hurting myself, but never have I made an attempt to cause harm to someone else. it's not an excuse. trauma is not an excuse. it's your responsibility to deal with it before it gets to this point.
It is important that strong and nice people like you speak up. You have also endured trauma, but you are better than that and you didn't let your trauma defeat you. You are the winner ❤ There is no excuse for her.
I agree! I had a horrific childhood and at the age of 48, I have yet to commit a crime of any kind, much less a violent one. I have spent my entire life trying to break the cycle, and helped raise my nieces and nephews to do the same!
@Serena 2.0 the point isn't that I'm "holier than thou" the point is that trauma isn't a justification for murder. I don't think I'm better than anyone for not being a murderer because that's a ridiculously low bar and I hold myself to a higher standard anyway. it's not something to be proud over, that you don't kill people. I also find it frankly a little offensive to compare it to your mom just dying- I watched this video some time ago and I cannot recall exactly what was said but seeing as how I said the same thing happened to me I assume her father also killed himself and she also found his corpse , which is straight up PTSD inducing rather than just grief at losing your mother, especially if it was expected. my family members who did not find him and were not there deal with this much much differently than I do. I don't care that "not everyone reacts the same way to trauma", how in gods name does that make it justifiable to kill someone because that's how you reacted to trauma? you are not your trauma. you have self control. it is not okay to be acting like this and you need to find a better coping mechanism. if you want to hurt people, get help, because you have absolutely the most control over that situation.
At her sentencing, she said something like ... "I asked for help so many times and nobody helped me." That is total BS. She had so many people trying to help her.
It’s always confused me as too why people struggling with drugs are locked up instead of being in rehab. Drug abuse stems from trauma and pain, she needed help
There are plenty of people in Vermont who get the opportunity to “serve time” at a rehab facility rather than in jail. There is a huge lack of beds available at inpatient rehab facilities in Vermont which hinders the process though.
12:43 To be fair someone screaming to themselves in their car outside of the DCF building is less rare than you might think, and I don't know if typically, checking on them would do any good for that person. Many people become near hysterical when losing their kids ,and there isn't much anyone can do for them at that time... I dont think so anyway...
@One Culture Love Culture xo It's not about controlling people who have been traumatized. It's about putting space between the person who cannot care for their children and is doing them harm so that both parent and child can receive services and care, separate and safe from one another. If the parent refuses treatment when offered, there's nothing else anyone can do except keep the kids safe and hidden from a parent that is/will be the source of trauma for the kids. The system did what it could in this case. You cannot force someone to accept treatment. THAT would be "controlling those who have been traumatized" as you put it. It is because they did not keep her in a controlled environment she did not wish to be in that she was able to do what she did. For once, the system is not to blame in this case.
Well she clearly proved she didn't deserve her kids unfortunately the DCF caseworker making the right choice cost her life! RIP to all the victims in this case 🙏 🥀
I've been in similar positions myself with my kids due to my drug addiction and it does feel very personal in regards to the social workers and people in positions of power over you and whether or not you get your kids back but you have to remind yourself that it's not personal, their just doing their jobs and rather than being angry with those people, you have to remind yourself why you are in that position in the first place and look at your own actions
I'm so glad you got your life on track. Especially for your children. I only wish this woman could have done the same. Imagine how this woman's kids feel since their mom took away other family members. That can't be easy to deal with from their own family.
@@hannahriley8085 well if you're really true fans, I suggest you go to Dark n Grim channel, its covers crime too but least to be say it's 18 + version of this channel
“She stared into space, like she wasn’t aware of anything” Those are called “Auras” when you have seizures. I suffered from seizures from a brain tumor. Moments before a seizure you basically get paralyzed and can’t speak before you fall into an episode.
@@Laeiryn Not hours but after an episode like that you’re probably not gonna wanna talk about it or do anything really after that. This is coming from experience
@@ladyofnoxus6733 My friends and I have had bad experiences with Christophers. Sneaky, back stabbing no remorse, unnecessarily destroy your life for their selfish desires, step on toes hedonistic A-holes 😂😂. My friend hasn't gotten over his friend asking him to be roommates then a month later stealing his electronics, fleeing to Florida and leaving him with 1.5k rent/month on lease to pay alone 😂
Where were the children's fathers in all of this? Poor babies having to go into foster care after living with a mom unstable and unable to care for them.... so sad
Boys really need to be taught that it is their own flesh and blood in these children. If that means anything to them, dont have unprotected sex with any woman who they would not want be a mother to THEIR babies. Males can and should take responsibility .
You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. She had multiple opportunities. It's just sad that other people suffered because of her obstinacy.
9 out of 10 addicts relapse or never get clean. Most will never change and those that do very few will actually change. Sad to say but ruins everything u come in contact
This is a prime example of why we need to fund mental health facilities. These are the consequences of mental health issues allowed to go untreated. The facilities we do have won’t hold individuals long enough to help the people who desperately need it due to lack of funding and lack of health insurance, or health insurance not coving mental health facilities. Our system is set up to fail which leads to deadly consequences.
