Kim Kardashian vs Marilyn Monroe’s dress meme review 

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Actually, the “I will never afford a house” and “she ruined the dress” topics belong to the same category “there are people with exclusive rights that get away with ruining things important for us”.

She literally wore a replica for most of the event she only wore the real dress on the carpet which means she literally could’ve just worn the replica the whole time😭😭

The idea that people shouldn’t care about “a dress they didn’t even know existed before” is so….baffling to me? Like, if I found out a historical building I’d never heard of burned down, I’d feel upset. If I found out the work of some artist whose name I’d never heard before got trashed, I’d feel upset. I don’t have to have a deep understanding of the history and importance of something and have it in my life before to understand that it’s important and feel outrage at its destruction. The fact that something historically significant and completely irreplaceable was irreversibly damaged-either through ignorance, carelessness, greed, or deliberate malice, it doesn’t matter-is enough for me to be upset.

I saw someone say that the dress was the ONE thing Marilyn had that was hers. Her image, her body, her likeness, all stolen and commodified, but the custom made dress that only fit her was the one thing we could say that hadn't been taken from her. And now it's been taken from her.

The dress didn't even match her skin colour, which means the nude effect was lost and the dress looked rather ugly on her. Now if she chose to wear a replica but one that would match her skin colour, that would be a different story. Damaging the dress was so unnecessary and stupid

I think the most stupid thing is that she did an extreme diet to loose weight to wear it and knew it still didn't fit her. There should have been a point when she realised it was not a good idea and went with a plan B. It's the wrong colour, wrong shape and wrong size because it was never made for her.

One argument that truly makes my blood boil is folks who say that KK is the same kind of cultural icon as Marilyn and her wearing the dress makes sense.

It also bugs me that the man who designed the dress--as his first big assignment for Jean Louis--is still alive, and nobody ever thought to consult him. From what I've read, Bob Mackie is not happy about this.

The way that she has more than enough money to employ actual craftspeople to recreate her a custom-fitted exact replica of this dress but. didn't? 😒

Some people don't seem to realize that Kim breaking Marilyn's dress isn't a big deal just because of the dress, but because it means that people with money and power can do whatever they want and face no consequences for it. Yes it's a piece of fabric (though that's a debate for another day) and yes it was eventually going to break, buy the fact Kim K was allowed to wear the dress to an event and broke it not only shows how little we respect the image of Marilyn but also how much rich people are allowed to do whatever they want

I think my main frustration and many others is that it was specifically Marilyns dress. She had been exploited her whole life and even after death she cannot find peace with the things she left behind. They should be respected. Women should be respected

My biggest problem is with this fetishization of Marilyn that we have in popular media. Kim Kardashian went to the lengths of wearing the actual dress for the red carpet, even though a. it did not fit her and b. it did not fit the theme. The dress was not made for anyone else, it was made for Marilyn. Bob Mackie, who designed the dress, made it for Marilyn in her image. the fabric matched her skin tone, which made it all the more scandalous, it gave the impression that Marilyn was naked, dripping in diamonds. If we look at the history of who Marilyn Monroe was, and what the dress meant, not just for her, but for her image as well, it's horrific that we have allowed the dress to be commercialized in such a manner. Everyone is at fault here-Ripley's, who lent the dress to Kim (also why the fuck is that dress at Ripley's Believe it or not, instead of a costume museum), Kim K, who wore the dress, despite knowing that it was a fragile historical piece, Anna Wintour, who personally oversees every costume people wear at the Met Gala, and most of all, us, who have reduced the image of a wonderful human being and an equally wonderful actress to this public circus.

i love how NOBODY talks about the elefant in the room... in the MET room... she wore an historial, irreplaceable, one of a kind, 5 million dollars dress to atend a FASHION CONSERVATION GALA, in a museum where FASHION it's treated like ART... a place full of experts working in the preservation of FASHION for future generations, and the creation of exhibitions to spread the beauty and relevance of fashion in the old an new societys... as Diana Vreeland (the original consultant to the Costume Institute of the MET) once said..."Fashion is part of the daily air and it changes all the time, with all the events. You can even see the approaching of a revolution in clothes. You can see and feel everything in clothes."

As a person who's never watched a single Marilyn Monroe movie, this still makes me mad. Marilyn Monroe is an American icon, a worldwide icon (whether you care about her or not), and as such, a piece of history. Some may argue that the movies aren't that important to history, but entertainment is one of the best ways to showcase what life was like during that time. Do we toss out copies of Shakespeare's First Folio because his plays were hundreds of years ago, and "just plays?" _Absolutely_ not. Even something like a dress some actress wore for some movie has historical value, and should be treated with care.

People who say MM's dress is just a fabric... Well Mona Lisa is "just" a piece of canvas and Pyramids of Giza are "just" old blocks.

As an archaeologist, the part about how fashion history is devalued for being a mostly feminine field is so true. But i think especially stuff like this, where the garment was specifically a womans, and she was "just" a hollywood actress, and the piece is not particularly old (speaking from my perspective as the artifacts I deal with are several thousand years old). I can just imagine someone trying to borrow Tutankhamun golden deathmask - they wouldnt just be laughed out of the museum, they would be forcibly kicked out (as they should), because the piece is old, famous, worn by a man, a PHARAO no less. Arguably something like a 3000 year old piece of greek pottery or a roman statue are more durable than this dress, and even if chips fall off, these can be glued back on, but those would NEVER get rented out to be paraded around as an accessory to a rich person because theyre "respected" artifacts. The hypocrisy sucks because imo all historical artifacts should be treated with the same amount of respect and care, regardless of how old they are or who they belonged to. Historical clothing is such a rare and beautiful type of artifact and it sucks that we dont have more of them, and now apparently we dont even respect the ones we do have

A lot of people were saying things like "c'mon, it's just a dress, and a dress is supposed to be worn anyway, not sit somewhere to be looked at". It's like, do people realise that utensils, tools, and all forms of "usable" devices are displayed at museums? why not just go ahead and wear a bracelet from the Ancient Greece period that's sitting at a museum just because "bracelets are supposed to be worn"? or why not just go ahead and have a sword fight with a sword from the Viking era? or why not eat soup on a bowl from the Tang dynasty in China? The thought is so absurd that it's just puzzling to see how they actually think they're coming across as being logical.

It's not about the dress, it's the fact that history can be bought, I'm assuming one day some stuck up celebrity wouldn't hesitate to "rent" a significant part of people's history just to show off their wealth, and it would be the "normal" untill we realize we no longer have a culture nor a history....🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

To be fair, some people just don't care about historical preservation at all. I remember getting into a debate with someone after Notre Dame burned down because he was saying that people shouldn't care about some building burning down when there's forests burning in South America. Clearly this played into both not caring about historical preservation and the idea of only caring about one issue at a time but I was particularly upset as a French person to have the history and symbolism of Notre Dame boiled down to "just a building" simply because HE wasn't interested in it. I do think that a portion of the people who are mad that anyone cares about the dress are absolutely playing into sexist ideas though, I'm just saying some people don't care no matter what it is. IMO this is an extension of people not understanding the value art (in any form) plays in our society. As if caring about anything aside from the bare necessities of survival is somehow trivial.

my heart still bleeds for Debbie Reynolds --- she tried so hard to get that Hollywood collection preserved and ended up having to sell so much because noone wanted to invest. It's just so, so sad.

I don’t really care about the dress. I care about the fact that it was LITERALLY HER WISH NOT FOR ANYONE TO WEAR THE DRESS. The dead are not sacred, and their wishes are not respected. It could have been a damn pencil and I’d be upset because it shows how disregarded the wills of the dead are to people with enough money

Marilyn's dress was iconic because it's was a unique piece made to fit her specifically and something original and never seen before. It's like Kim is so unoriginal she couldn't even think of a look of her own. I don't want to think that Marilyn's dress is referred to now as "the dress Kim ruined at the met gala". It's an important historic piece and it should be taken seriously

The big thing to me is not even just that it’s damaged, but it can never be repaired! It’s not made with chiffon, but French silk soufflé, which was made illegal in the US because it’s highly flammable. That dress isn’t just important because Marilyn wore it, but also because that material is so rare (and is also a piece of political history - we have a whole exhibit of carefully curated inauguration dresses from First Ladies, after all).

I saved a 1920s beaded dress from a warehouse. I feel so guilty about it because now I have the responsibility of this dress and frankly it freaks me out as I live in a country that has failing economy and museums. I have no where to take it so I just carefully wrapped it up and stored it in a cupboard. The dress is was not in a good condition but the beading is so intricate.

Kim tore that dress like Spongebob ripped his pants. The only difference is that SpongeBob didn't ruin a priceless vintage item in the process.

I also feel that people aren't talking enough about how Emma Chamberlain's met gala choker is a piece of stolen jewelry that originally belonged to Indian royalty, if I'm not mistaken. Along with Marilyn Monroe's dress, that choker is an artifact that belongs in a museum, or at least belongs in India's possession, instead of being worn by anyone who can afford it.

That point about fashion history being viewed as a "feminine" pursuit is so true. If something had happened to an artifact from WWII all the bros (even those who beforehand had no interest in history) would have come out of the woodwork.

I have only been to a Ripley's Believe it or not museum once as a kid on vacation in a tourist trap town, and it is less a museum than a carnival sideshow. How they ended up with the dress in the first place is a tragedy. I have seen small town historical societies and cheap antique shops have more respect for historical items than I can imagine Ripley's has.

The dress never should have been worn! It should be in a museum and left alone. I just saw a video of her on the Today show (news show broadcast all over the US) in which she talked about how much she wanted to wear the dress and viewed it as a "role" like a movie or something. ALSO commented on the damage and confirmed "no damage" and "they wore gloves" and as we know, wearing gloves means you don't feel yourself pulling the fabric. And she stepped on the hem of the dress. And had to walk up stairs, putting strain on the fabric around the hips. Damage. Was. Done. Even if she put it on and wore it for 2 seconds, natural oils from her skin would have been on there.

I think the thing that gets me about the dress is that it was worn and damaged at an event meant to help fund the Costume department of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. So. The whole point of the event is the preservation of fashion and garment history. They didn't just damage an historic garment, or disrespect the wishes of that garment's owner, but they did so, supposedly in service of... preserving historic garments, and the memories of the people who wore them. Also, the argument that 'you're mad but you didn't know about the dress until x months ago' is... a bad take. We sometimes don't know about whole ass species of animals until they're extinct, or we've got literally one individual, but that doesn't mean we can't be mad about it. This dress was preserved for a reason.

What bugs me is that the dress was significant because the occasion Marilyn wore it was significant, and also because it had never been seen before. Even if Kim hadn't ruined it, it would've still never been a statement of anything more than her power and influence. Her wearing it that way wasn't art, because art needs to make an impact and have a meaning. It was just vanity.

"It's just a dress" People steal little pieces of the Berlin wall even though it's "just concrete". Sometimes things have meaning beyond their physical representation. Also shame on Ripley's for not saying no to Kim's request.

Honesty it could have been beautiful if she had a replica made for her. The dress was designed to match Marilyn’s skin tone perfectly and if Kim had a replica that matched hers it would have been really nice. But don’t get my started on the hair style Kim chose-

It's not even her skin colour so it destroys the whole purpose of being a nude dress. Watch the video of Marilyn performing in the dress while singing Happy Birthday Mr President. The audience literally GASPED when she took off her coat because she appeared to be naked. Kim wearing the dress simply does not have the same affect.

"Why do you care for a dress?" Said many of the dudes who gasp and tear when their cars are touched and treat better than themselves, or people who are angry at statue removals.

Every man complaining about people being outraged about this dress should just imagine that the tricot or jersey or helmet from one of the most famous sportsmen ever to live is taken from a museum, worn by another player just to end up being ripped or in any other way irrepairably destroyed, while the player wearing it doesn't even score.

I felt like the custom Mugler dress she wore to the MET a few years back was already a modern take on the Marilyn dress and looked perfect on her body (since, y'know, it was made for her body). There was no need to damage an artifact just to do a way less flattering version of what she already did.

The part that makes me maddest is that she KNEW she didn’t fit and squeezed in anyway! If you’ve literally had surgery to make your butt bigger, weight loss won’t undo it! It’s ludicrous, like to me you can’t even say it was an accident or she didn’t know. That’s like saying the stepsisters didn’t know their feet wouldn’t fit in Cinderella’s slipper and then they fucking smash it trying to get it on

Its honestly so disheartening to see that there was a huge debate over whether this was even a bad thing. I had no idea there was such a huge amount of people, not simply ignorant to the work of fashion conservators, but people that completely discredit their importance in society. Truly, the amount of people simply replying to the backlash with "its just a dress" was just... depressing. We really do need some memes to cheer up with.

my partner was like "apparently everyone is getting mad about some dress kim kardashian wore? what's the deal with that?" and I said "it was marilyn monroe's dress" and he just went "ah" in understanding

I think the worst thing about this imo is just the realization of how we continue to disrespect and sexualize Marilyn even decades after her death. It's not just a dress, Kim and Ripley's disregarded her wishes just for clout, and she can't even defend herself because she's dead.

That dress belongs in the Smithsonian, not in Ripley's so-called museum.

"I like the idea of a villain/superhero whose sole purpose is going around the world and ruining things for other people" fun fact! Destroying items of cultural/historical/artistic significance is a tactic often used as a demoralisation tactic in war! An example of this is the attack on the site of Palmyra 🙃

This event made me so sad. When the Monroe's dresses where touring parts of the world I was lucky enough to see them in Australia. I did notice this dress was missing from the collection. As one of the last garments she was ever publicly seen in. I agree with you, that this is a issue. Historical fashion helps us feel closer to people from the past. And makes them feel real and not just something on Google. Now the last person in that dress, was not the person who made the dress famous, that is something thats ruined the idea of it forever.

I don't care about Marilyn Monroe and I don't care about Kim Kardashian. But I do care about the terrible idea that rich people can do what they want if they just pay enough.

Her wanting to set the internet on fire is really lame. I just think that a replica that matched her skin tone would have been gorgeous. Also, if she had styled her hair exactly like Marilyn's, she would have hit the mark with the reference. For someone who is into fashion, she sure made this wonderful dress look like one of those costumes that you get for Halloween in a rush that says Marilyn Monroe on the bag lol.

"It's just a dress" and Mona Lisa is obviously just a painting, let's vandalize it too 🤠

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"There's a plethora of people that are way more guilty" this was my immediate reaction when my sister told me about this. I was like "Who let her tho?"

I didn't even know it was THE dress at first, not just because of the skin tone mismatch, but because the silhouette was so different on a body it wasn't custom-made for. The way it hugged Marilyn's body was a big part of the naked illusion- even if KK wore the exact same silhouette matched to her skin tone, it wouldn't look quite right. Britney Spears got the effect spot-on in her Toxic video.

Kim's next target is probably gonna be that ancient Egyptian bead dress.

The “Gala” is a fundraiser for the Met’s “Costume Institute”. they are ALL about the conservation of historic dress and fashion. They have a huge collection with items from the 15th Century to the present day, each requiring expert conservation and a dedicated team of conservators and curators etcetera. The key word here is “conservation”. I’m sure that besides the celebrity guests, they would have invited many people involved in the fields of conservation of historic garments and curation of historic fashion collections, from all over the world, both public and private. Experts in their particular field. I can only imagine how these guests felt and reacted when they saw this particular historic fashion item being worn. I’m absolutely dumbfounded that this was even allowed to happen. I’m not sure, but I’m assuming that outfit and designer information is submitted prior to the event - but I’m not sure about this. I also sadly suspect that a large donation was involved. The whole thing just blows my mind. She could have had a beautiful replica (that fitted perfectly) created and sewn for her by a local crafts person, worn that all night and given that artist some exposure.

Why can't the Kardashians just be canceled already. I can't handle hearing about their circus for another 10 years lol

She had a replica made and wore it for most of the event... Why not wear it for the entire thing and not destroy a piece of history that Marilyn Monroe literally didn't want anyone else to wear????? Plus, that dress was made exclusively for Marilyn - it's _her skin colour_ ! Kim K could have had her replica be made as _hers_ if she truly wanted to be iconic. Also, who tf styled her hair like that? If she wanted to dress like Marilyn, why not recreate her signature bob? Or did Ripley's refuse to lend Kim that?

Everyone can do a tribute to Marilyn Monroe through their clothing if they want, but not with actual real clothes of Marilyn. In my opinion, museum pieces should stay in the museum.

This Halloween she’ll have actual Mummies flown in for yard decorations

As an archivist that is still quite upsetting to get something historical destroyed because someone brings buckets of money. She could have a replica made that would have fit her way better. Edit: that Ripley museums answers are so unprofessional, I don't know how their standards of the profession are...

I was not happy with Kim wearing the dress. One thing that annoyed me was that most people who asked my opinion on it would respond with ‘you didn’t know it existed before this’. EXCUUUUUSE ME!? I have extensively studied historical fashion, and plan on working in that field, but even more so, I’ve known about Marilyn for years. I have scrapbooks of her photos, all her movies on DVD, books, merchandise of all kind, CDs, even a drawing of her that took me months to complete, most of my coursework focusing on her, wearing clothes reminiscent of her era. Of course I knew it was a thing, and I remember hearing that Marilyn herself said that she didn’t want it to be worn at any other time, by anyone else. It was made specifically for her, it was made to match her skin tone so she would have that naked effect, she was literally sewn into the dress. It was worn during one of the most famous moments in pop culture history. It’s sad to see a gown I love be tarnished like that, especially one that holds so much memory, and even worse, it’s another example of how people exploit Marilyn’s image, taking her things just to not even fit in the theme. Kim even said she stopped eating for a while to fit in the dress. This really did not help anyone, and now Marilyn’s memory is being taken away, something she worked so hard for.

For people saying we didn't knew of the dress until the MET Gala What every single Marilyn Monroe's fan have ALWAYS said: Marilyn Monroe was a person, she is not a piece of crap for others to use and abuse, leave her the cr*p alone! What KKardashian said: omg I'm allegedly such a Marilyn fan and I'm richer than god, let's destroy the iconic Bombshell's dress by using it in a Gala with a totally different theme!! And they still think real fans wouldn't be upset? XD (btw she used not one, but TWO Monroe dresses and DESTROYED a Michael Jackson's jacket. Need I to say anything more about her total lack of respect to REAL ARTISTS? )

I feel like the people who were complaining about it being " just a dress" are the same people who need 10 other people's opinions to choose a wedding dress. The way we give importance to moments like those should be the same way we should give importance to historical garments.

the people who say they dont care because they will never afford a home kinda annoys me. The point isnt that she ruined an expensive dress, but a dress of historical importance for fashion history. Im angry that rich people can do and ruin what they want. We are both angry at capitalism- we are on the SAME team. Also people who tweet that you should care about more important stuff, most people can care about more than one thing at a time.

they shouldn't have actioned Marilyn's dress! And Kim shouldn't have worn it, bruh she had a replica so why destroy Marilyn's dress. Even Marilyn didn't wear t regularly. She had it sealed away and didn't want anyone else to wear it, it was special to her. That was so disrespectful...

I should go damage a nice dress belonging to everyone saying, "It's just a dress." If Marilyn's dress is truly just a dress, then they shouldn't mind having one of their dresses destroyed. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Also, I definitely knew about the dress before Kim wore it. I saw the video of her in it. I knew that it was sewn on her body. I knew that it was designed by Bob Mackie. I knew that she couldn't wear any undergarments with it. Just bc all you know is Twitter & TikTok, doesn't mean other people haven't heard of the dress.

Marilyn Monroe 's dress went on an across Canada tour. 3 years ago. We had people lined up for blocks long. We got to take pictures with it. It was in a safety box with security guards. It was a HUGE thing in Canada.

I cannot believe... CANNOT BELIEVE THEY LET HER WEAR AN HISTORICAL PIECE! Not only did it not fit her, it was meant to look like the wearer was nude. It wasn't even her skin tone! Why not just wear the (string of expletives) replica?! What an unbelievably selfish, self-centered, narcissistic and typically Kardashian thing to do. I remember the day that dress was last auctioned. I freaking cried. They way it was presented was hauntingly beautiful. It's freaking tragic that one stupid, rich and selfish person was allowed to shove her ample flesh into that dress. It was a gd costume when it was first made. Marilyn had to be sewn into it. It was as delicate as tissue even then. Who was the genius who thought 60 years had done that material any favors?

Honestly tho, I feel like it shouldn't matter if this was woman's fashion or men's, it's a historical artifact belonging to a historical figure that was trashed by someone on a whim. We're all worse off for losing such a piece of history. People have a right to be upset imo. Ale, wciąż jest zabawne wideo!

That is exactly what I thought when I heard she wore the dress: No-one would ever allow anyone to borrow something like the Mona Lisa as a mere prop.

I think a huge thing for me is how poorly treated Marilyn was during her life (especially by the Kennedy family) and to see a celebrity that’s gotten more and more famous for being controversial and has been known to mistreat other women to gain fame (Taylor swift anyone?) just makes me blood boil. She has compared herself to Marilyn before and the truth is she’s the exact kind of person who would have probably been mistreating her back in the day. Whether or not you care about fashion history or not, a human being that was intelligent and progressive beyond her years who endured decades of abuse and hardship was disrespected for the sake of Kim feeling relevant again

I love the Bjork dress and just want to remind everyone that she carried around golden eggs and placed them along the red carpet! 🦢🥚🥚🥚

I specialise in historic buildings and let me tell you, this kind of thing happens daily with old buildings too. It's heartbreaking to see how little consideration there is for historical items.

I think a lot of people new about the dress, especially people who care about history. she was basically spitting on lower classes because she has money enough to get away with anything, like wearing and damaging a historical garment… and all the other horrible negative contributions her family has bestowed upon our plannet.

Preach Karolina!!! Having the privilege to set eyes on garments that touched a historically significant person’s body, is mind blowingly amazing. It goes far beyond frivolous, female fancies. How many (male) war enthusiasts and reenactors would love to get their hands on the uniforms worn by their heroes. Historical fashion helps us feel closer to and gain perspective of the people and the times those garments came from.

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I believe is even more horrendous when you take into account how it goes against Marilyn wishes and uses, once again , her memory for profit, wich I find hearthbreaking and very unethical. For this reason I do believe Kim does have a lot of responsability on the issue, among with the rest of people involved.

The thing that upset me the most was how she wore Marilyn’s dress but went against all of her beliefs. Marilyn was a body positive activist and Kim starved herself to fit into a dress that didn’t end up fitting anyway. It may just be a dress but the meaning and history behind the dress is so important it should never have been worn again.

"I'm too European for this". Yeah, same.

I agree that this whole thing is downplayed bcs it's about fashion :/ Imagine if someone going to a big event like this decided to just rip out a stained glass window from a church and have it lugged around as a photo backdrop. And then the church said "oh no that's totally fine, we'll just super glue that bad boy back, no harm done :)" Or if a celebrity decided to drive a vintage car in an offroad street race. All kinds of preservation is so important, I feel like even if we have photographs and 3D models you'll never get the full picture without being able to reference the original

I know we are discussing a serious topic here and there could have been so many other things Kim Kardashian could have done differently, but I just wanted to say that Karolina's hair looks so beautiful in that hairstyle!

See for me it’s less about the dress and more about how Marylin had NOTHING that was HERS for her whole life, she suffered. And this dress was the only thing that was truely HERS, being literally sewn into the dress itself She begged that no one be allowed to wear the dress after her, and even her wishes as a fellow human are ignored for clout It’s less about the dress and more about dishonoring the wishes of someone who had suffered so greatly through her life

I swear if Kim even TOUCHES Diana’s revenge dress I WILL LOSE MY MIND

The creator of marylins dress said that the dress was made to fit marylin and marylin ONLY so sad 😭

I just like the irony that no one believes Ripley's Believe it or Not

And of course the body positivity movement is jumping on this as an opportunity to shame us for "body shaming" Kim k. It literally has nothing to do with that. She knew that dress would not fit her, yet she broke it to try to make it fit her body. I don't care whose dress it was originally, you do not damage a priceless, one of a kind item just because you really want to wear it. I don't care if you're a size 0 or a size 30. You do not do that!

A guitar museum lent a 1870s guitar for a film and kurt Russell unknowingly smashed it. The thing is, i dont see the value in any of this other than publicity. Why not just wear the replica? Were really good at making those, even warts and all. The Rosetta stone actually has a carefully crafted replica on display in the museum its housed. Unlike the real thing that is under glass, the replica is in the open and people can actually touch it, its to scale and incredibly well replicated. They have to replace it every couple of years because of all the wear, but the thing is, its actually much more enjoyable this way. People can interact wat better with it. Theres a whole replica CAVE in france, based on one that had some very old cave paintings, because if the original is entered too many times, history has shown from similar caves, the art is damaged. Not even by touching, just external mold coming in and stuff. The replica they made is created specifically in such a way to give the same feeling of being underground, the art is viewed the same way. And i really dont think it matters in these cases. Having her wear the real dress was worse than a replica that would have fit nicely (and they did that anyway) its just for the purpose of going "look i touched thus priceless thing". There are objects out there that actually have an issue of not being able to be enjoyed just by looking. The VandA has a program for ceramic artists to come and handle parts of the collection. As a ceramic artist i understand this. Mugs and pots are objects made to be handled, when we make them, we think about a lot of things you wouldnt expect. The weight, the fit in your hands, how it feels against your skin, how slippery it is, how a rim feels on your lip, even the thickness of the wall and how it will feel after a mug is full of hot tea. We talk about a pot not having a front and a back and a thousand little other things that really do matter to us as ceramicists and can ONLY be experienced by handling the piece. But this isnt that. There isnt anything extra to be gained by wearing the original rather than the replica. It fits worse, you can age a replica to look the same. It doesnt even feel like the way it did when Marilyn wore it, if thats what youre in to. I personally hadn't heard of this dress and dont care about it, but i get the indignation of ruining a historical object for no other reason than bragging rights. If she wanted to make a statement about history, wearing a replica and talking about how it was constructed with the techniques of the period when it was made for example, would have had much the same effect of bringing attention to it. But the statement she wanted to make wasnt "look at this amazing piece of American fashion and celebrity history", it was "look at me im Kim Kardashian, let me do a bunch of pointless tasteless shit with my money so people talk about me"

Still can not get over the stone cold perfection of the image of Kim K eating ribs over the Declaration of Independence...

I had so much unjustified animosity towards Kim K, so at least the *one* good thing that came out of this is that now I have justified animosity 🥰🥰

My previous boss, I mean the owner of the company I worked for owns that dress. He also owns Ripleys. Why he was super careful with it when putting it on display in stores and then just gave it to Kim to wear is beyond me. Guy is in his 90s though.

The idea that "its just a dress who cares" sentiment is so ignorant to the importance of preserving history, of course many people are upset regardless if they were fans of Marilyn or not. You don't need to live in St. Petersburg to cringe at the loss of the Amber Room during WW2, or a fan of a certain historical artist to be upset about their lost art. The fact that we were able to maintain something that could have been lost to time but we get the chance to still view it in modern day is beautiful and I feel that these type of people dont understand that there are people who find this stuff fascinating.

I get so angry when people are like "Oh you didn't know about it" dude... it's literally not just about the dress at this point. It's about history and the preservation of historical artifacts. As a huge history fan (I love fashion history but history in general is amazing) we shouldn't be allowing people to destroy shit if it's given to them. Our history is our history, and we need to take care of it so we can improve.

can we just let this woman rest?? 😭😭 why are celebrities so like, into everything abt her they didnt even know her 💀💀

The worst thing of all this is that Marilyn Monroe didn’t want anyone else to wear this dress as it was meant just for her and one of a kind. It’s truly sad

Speaking as someone on the poverty line, living in one of the most deprived areas of my country, the arguments about “priorities” are SO pretentious. It’s just a pointless guilt-tripping argument that doesn’t solve either problem. Do I have more immediate problems that I have to think about more often? _Heck,_ yes. Does that mean rich people should just get a pass to destroy irreplaceable pieces of history? NO!! I would say the two arguments are much more connected than people want to admit. At the end of the day it all comes down to money enabling terrible things.

I've now got my brain repeating "moisturise me, moisturise me " thanks so much...

I've never understood the sort of the people who try to invalidate other people caring about something, that meme at 11:47 absolutely hits the nail on the head. I can be concerned about _many_ things, ranging from the most trivial first world gripe to the most abject and harrowing sources of existential despair - and every other bit of searing injustice, mild-to-major anxiety or personal bugbear between those two extremes. When did we collectively decide that we're incapable of caring (or even not caring) about many different things, in different degrees, for different reasons? I might worry about the wellbeing of my widowed younger sister and her two children, the increasing frailty of my elderly parents, the mental state of my beleaguered older brother and his wife caring for two teenage neurodivergent daughters who are both going through a rather tough time. These are things I'm palpably worried about on a daily basis. But you're damn right I'm going to conceptually pissed off with Kim Kardashian being allowed to fuck up an antique for her own self-aggrandizement! Clearly not to same degree as immediate familial problems, but I can still be cheesed off by many things I'm not directly affected by. Same way I can get a bee in my bonnet about Boris Johnson's total lack of accountability in office, or that Jeff Bee-Sauce twat going to space whilst his wage slaves grift the mill of his horrible company, or even gaze in incredulous nihilistic horror upon the so-called "gun debate" or the pro-life/pro-choice schism in America - aka normal people asking for the most basic of legal measures and rights VS. a revanchist death cult. Something doesn't need to directly affect me for me to care in whatever degree. My lily-white heterosexual man ass isn't LGBT, but I still get furious about homophobia and transphobia - neither of which _directly_ affect me. My offensively atheistic world-weary view isn't religious either, but I still find attacks against religious minorities by religious extremists equally grotesque. And you can toss racism, misogyny and ableism onto that hate speech spewing bonfire too. Who in their right mind isn't angry about this stuff? Feeling like you're helpless to do something about these injustices, or dismissing their validity because of the greater existential terrors of climate change, disease, famine, war, etc, is the weirdest response to folks anger at these things.

Damn girl! I'm meant to be writing an essay right now on KK wearing MMs dress for my Museum Studies class and relating that to museums loaning indigenous objects and dress back to its original communities (such as Māori cloaks), but your vids are like Pringles. Salty and addictive. Keep up the awesome work. Love from New Zealand.

The comment about how fashion history is treated hit me harder bc I was telling a family member abt it and was trying to justify my irritation to them when I shouldn't have had to.

The fact that they didnt thought this through, even if Kim loses weight it wont still fit her since she literally has implants (no offense) to make her booty bigger. And the dress is literally a historical piece wtf. Whats even worse is its not even on theme so they freaking degraded the dress to nothing 😭

With all the money she has, she could’ve had a designer make a replica *for her body shape.* Became a lawyers & has a “business woman mentality” but couldn’t come up with that?

I have no doubt that there are people out there who "couldn't care less" about "just a dress"...and who also complain about statues of enslavers being torn down because they're "erasing history"