King vs Katakuri is not close 

Let's be honest, if they actually fought in canon, Katakuri would get a power up out of his donut so Oda could make them stall each other for 10 panels straight, distributed among 23 chapters

Since u mentioned "power cliffing". Could a video idea be "when each straw hat could beat Arlong"

Bro is telling us that the grass is green

Well, the problem with this matchup is that Oda doesn't exactly look at powerscalling the same way most of us do, the proof of that fact is Crocodille's and Buggy's inconsistent strenght at Impel Down and Marine Ford. One Piece follows a narrative powerscalling concept instead of the usual ones, and seeing as he wrote Big Mom and Kaido as being rivals for decades, alongside being somewhat relative in their crew stenght when we look at the larger picture, i think King and Katakuri would be closer in strenght if we ever do have a fight in between them, most people would call it a "buff", but it would only be that in feats instead of a narrative

Speaking of power cliffing, I think I found the major power cliffs in one piece. Here they are Arlong Eastblue Crocodile Alabasta Rob Lucci Enies lobby Pascifistas Sabaody Whitebeard and a lot of the combatants during the paramount war Marineford Luffy Return to Sabaody Doflamingo Dressrosa Katakuri Wholecake island Kaido Wano

You know the day is good when the GOAT drop another banger🎉.

Katakuri fans have been in disbelief since wano 😂. I love kat but powercliffing is a thing. W video ❤.

Thank you for calling this out. So many people try their hardest to wank him above King, Yamato, Zoro, and Sanji. And I’m just like the scaling doesn’t add up in Katakuri’s favor. They act like bc he has an ability that not many people shown it automatically means he stomps as if Enel vs Luffy and Luffy vs Boa sisters didn’t exist where Luffy was faster than someone observation Haki that he didn’t have at the time.

I mean, it's just a clear case of powercliffing. However, I would like to posit that IF Katakuri returns and he is massively buffed like he has advanced Armament or ever Conquerors and a giga durability buff, don't be surprised. Out of all the enemies Luffy faced, Katakuri probably has one of the highest potential to get stronger, mostly because Luffy helped him realize his true self. If we remember Rayleigh's words, "Have no doubts, that's what makes you strong," then Luffy gave Katakuri the chance to grow into a truly monstrous figure with a mindset not hellbent on a false image of himself, but through self actualization. And before some clowns say "He got no diffed by Kuzan," it's a literal former Admiral. King would also get folded by that man.

Bro literally how I just asked my brother about this not even an hour ago and you've been cooking up a vid about it???? Regardless, great vid!! Well explained and thought provoking in a way other power scalers don't often capture

Seraphim vs all right handman. Seraphim are one of the most broken characters in one piece and i see no body talking about or even power scaling about them i hope u make on them.

Was not expecting an in universe debate. Pleasantly surprised

Now make a "Why Ulti vs Katakuri is closer than you think" video. Just to be that chaotic force. Don't matter if it's serious or a meme video, but it would highlight how bad the powercliffing got that people genuinely could see Katakuri losing to a mere Tobi Roppo member.

both characters are my favorite in terms of design fr they're so cool very chill giant commanders with a intimidating powerful presences I feel like King or Alber would have been a nice guy if didn't meet Kaido heck I'll even say he was a nice guy before he met Kaido that's my theory and fun fact King among the 1st yonko commanders is the tallest among them in the series Katakuri is only 2nd.

This depends on how you feel about powercreep

I'm glad someone else said it too, not only is King stronger but here's even arguments for Queen too and the greatest part about it, Zoro got stronger after recovering from the rooftop which makes King's feats much more impressive and let's be real, if Oven could damage Katakuri I have no idea how he'd fight King, Queen, or even Jack and come out on top..

Good vid but could you do one where you compare sanji vs zoro, a really prominent one for sure! (Also with comparing their latest battle etc.) that would bang 👏🏽

This is a good video and I understand why people hold the same views. However I still personally believe king vs katakuri goes either way or in the hands of kat. This mainly due to katakuri arsenal. Yes he is weaker endurance wise than king however that doesn’t mean damage suddenly cannot add up. King isn’t Kaido and I feel like this video over relies on using Kaido to prop up king instead of using king own feats. Katakuri has feats like dodging snakeman which gets faster the more it stretches, putting a giant hole in luffy which I doubt flame off king would survive many hits from that, and can use his mochi to suffocate king. Imo yes in terms of AP and endurance kat got powercliffed however imo other stats he did not. King will need to put his flame off if he wants to touch katakuri cause I see no way else he can even attempt to hit him otherwise.

If you’re up for it, it would be really cool to see you do a video on durability negation based abilities. Too many people seem to think that all dura neg is hax based and can’t reflect a character’s AP, even though stuff like advanced armament demonstrates otherwise.

I'm not going to argue with the results however I will say the kaido one shot doesn't matter as much because he would one shot king as well if he wanted to

And kat doesn’t need a super buff when he comes back. Y’all be the same people who believe crocodile got a prison buff.

Sanji vs might guy when?

Your way of reasoning is very good because you don't even need complicated powerscaling calculations. The evidence is right there in the manga, and any smart person would understand with your explanation.

Great video! Keep it up

Fully agree, the powercreep in Wano was quite absurd, personally i felt way too big. Since in retrospective it end up made the entire Big Mom pirates (besides for Big Mom herself) really weak in Yonko's standards, considered that even someone like Ulti, wh isn't a top commander, can be argue to be able to defeat Katakuri. Not to say that all Yonko crew has to be exactly equal, but they should have been more comparable, with even the weakest crew be able to battle with the others.

Great breakdown. Any chance we could get Jack vs Perospero? Way too many people seem to buy into the “Jack and Peros narratively implied to be equal since Inu and Neko beat them at the same time” argument.

what is your take on Naruto vs Luffy just wondering

Great video! With all the evidence yeah its pretty clear King takes the dub. However, I will say that there is a pretty good chance Katakuri will have gotten much stronger after his fight with Luffy, considering his drive and personality as well as the fact he might've had a Haki bloom too. That plus all the hints that the BM Pirates will eventually return does imply the next time we see him he might be able to fight King in the future.

I am proud to say after all this time, I’ve FINALLY been convinced Katakuri cannot beat King anymore - it just took the right case to crack my stubborn head. Thanks bro lol great video yet again More context: Me not knowing about the vivre card confirming King had Armament/Observation Haki was a major factor for me, wasn’t sure how King despite physically being way stronger would be able to touch Kat. Also didn’t consider how fast King truly was in comparison but you explained it well enough for me. Only part I have trouble buying if Killer/Kid > Katakuri, mostly for similar reasons of haki and speed. Killer had a specific attack that was a good matchup for Kaido and Post WCI Luffy did not - that doesn’t mean Rooftop Killer > Post WCI Luffy in my opinion. Kid also didn’t do much of any damage vs Kaido unless we’re really gassing those wrestling moves, so Post WCI Luffy and Kat I have > Kid as well. Way I see it, someone who’s supposed to be 1st commander level in Kid isn’t getting off screen arm chopped off by another 1st commander (Beckman) if they’re truly in the same tier, no evidence he got jumped or nothing.

Yeah it makes sense. King is biologically stronger and he is in a constant state of battling to keep his rank. While katakuri is chilling, eating and not being contested for his rank due to him being one of the eldest children Edit: Basically katakuri is complacent while king is getting stronger

Phenomenal editing

haven’t watched the video yet but katakuri smokes

well explained

El_Eon, i dont know if you do request, but could you zeldris from 7ds vs zoro,shanks or mihawk

I would love a video just about the strength possabilities on one piece. Mostly becuase hajrudins feat of punching machhvise 10 000 ton up to the sky with one arm while not being a super special giant is insenly impressive. Also the force from his mass while falling would be so much more than 10 000 tons to.

What do you think about Might Guy vs Current Sanji matchup? I'd love to see your opinion.

kaido did indeed go unga bunga

I'm still on my knees for my glorious king Katakuri, he slams 🗣🙏🧎‍♂

Post-Udon Base Luffy is above Whole Cake Island Gear 4 Luffy according to Kaido. Ulti made Post-Udon Luffy use Gears to escape her hold. In terms of raw stats, Katakuri doesn't clear Ulti. Katakuri isn't that guy anymore. Power cliffing got brutal post-Dressrosa.

The restless gamblers trend of taking shots at katakurui continues

Very well made video and explanation, I was one who used to think the fight would be closer, probably being biased because I just think katakuri is that much cooler and fun. But yeah, I don't think Katakuri has any way to deal with King's defense and speed... talking about defense and speed, Sanji beats katakuri too in a similar way. If we were to see them fight again, I think Katakuri has a higher chance of getting stronger than King, Katakuri is probably even more motivated as a fighter after fighting Luffy and being a conquerors haki user and all, but I don't really think we will get to see that future.

I like Katakuri more cause he looks badass lol… But aside from all the shenanigans, Kata’s ability doesn’t do much for him here against King. King has a higher combat IQ skill and is more adamant than Kata.

Snakeman victim gets slammed by the king of hell

The katakuri glazers are coming for bro😭😭😭😭😭

when you gonna be streaming again eon? last time was fun

this is all 100% true if we are speaking of shown forms. however katekuri is probably growing as well, like Oda did with Rob Lucci . if they fight in the future katekuri will be stronger than what we seen at whole cake.

pls do zoro vs law

Great video, but can you do Record of Ragnarok scaling next pls🙏🏻

Need a Marco video his scaling is all over the place

I’d like to see something with jimbe. Maybe jimbe vs sanji bc jimbe would wash him

I actually dont believe he was cliffed, but i do think he gets washed here. I got him slightly over Queen.

Love the video, but just to play devils advocate I believe katakuri can definitely stand with them at the rooftop. Katakuri power level should be right there at kid law. Katakuri may not have mastered his conquerors haki awakening, but he can use it and release it in some of his attacks. I think speed wise katakuri is still at rooftop character speeds so I do believe he can keep up with most of the characters up there. I think the whole argument is whole cake Luffy just couldn’t do damage and I just don’t think this true if anything beginning of wano was more about bypassing kaido/ yonku defenses and on the rooftop we seen that there are several different ways to bypass characters of that level defenses killer was using sound law was using DF kid was using squeezing/physical strength To bypass kaido defenses to at least somewhat hurt him.

It's always the ones that use "It's not close" in their title are the one of the worst at scaling. Here's how many things you got wrong 1- Powercliffing is irrelevant if you're not comparing Katakuri with Kaido, because Kaido the one that powercliffed the verse not everyone, and you saying that everyone before got powercliffed when we see the same Crocodile that was beat by no haki Luffy matching Mihawk and stopping Akainu is just you yapping and repeating what others say without thinking for yourself 2- Katakuri has the perfect win condition, King needs to go in his speed mode to even hit Katakuri and that would make King lose his durability and get hurt, Katakuri was hurting a mythical zoan rubber boy, he would easily damage a regular zoan when his flames are off 3- "King should be fast enough to tag Katakuri" That's not happening when King couldn't land a single hit on basic observation user like Zoro, he's not landing a single hit on Katakuri who's faster and has advanced observation 4- " Katakuri takes massive damage from gear 4" Are you talking about getting hit over and over again and not falling once is a massive damage? Luffy couldn't put him down once.... 5- "Luffy deals the vast majority of the damage" No he didn't, Katakuri did that to himself, Luffy doesn't have any attack that can do as much damage as the spear attack that Katakuri did to himself while Katakuri has 6- "Luffy only landed 14 hits" Black mamba alone is more than 14 hits lol, you don't even know how to count? I'm not even gonna bother arguing this point because of how stupid it sounded when you said 14 7- " Kaido one shot Luffy" Yeah he one shot enraged Luffy that couldn't use observation haki same thing happened to Oden he got one shot because he was enraged as well but you're ignoring the context here 8- " Katakuri could only manage to put down Luffy for 7m" Again you're being disingenuous and ignoring panels and context for agenda reasons? Chapter 880 Katakuri put Luffy down and was having a long conversation while Luffy was down, then he did similar to what Kaido did with his awakening and put Luffy down but instead of finishing him off he walks away because of plot, right here Luffy should lose but saved by the plot, then Katakuri outlasts g4 Luffy and Luffy runs away, Luffy should lose here AGAIN but ofc you ignoring these details. Then Luffy comes back and Katakuri magically forgets that he has awakening that he could use to put down base Luffy because base Luffy can't keep up with awakening without his g4 and then he stops using his spear. But ofc you ignore all of this context for some known reason and use this plot plot no mi fight to downplay Katakuri which is disingenuous 9- " Luffy vs Kaido round 1 take away" Yes Katakuri indeed got powercliffed like the rest of the series got powecliffed by Kaido, like is this new? We always knew that the Yonkos are on the top of the verse for a reason. but Katakuri wouldn't lose in one hit because he wouldn't be enraged like Luffy and not use observation haki and he would deal damage to Kaido since his armament was always better and had higher AP than Luffy 10- "Considering how close Katakuri vs Luffy and how one sided Kaido vs Luffy was" Yes if you read with your eyes closed and ignore context you would say such thing, everyone reading with their eyes open knows that Katakuri should've won in the first 30 minutes if not for plot and Luffy was enraged vs Kaido and couldn't use observation haki to dodge or block 11- "Pre Acoc Zoro is stronger than Wci snake man" That's just not true, Zoro still couldn't control Enma and he doesn't have the speed or the advanced observation to keep up with Luffy, also Katakuri was still stronger than Wci Luffy by a lot, if you read the context with your eyes open which i already explained 12- " Post Wci Luffy that fought Katakuri couldn't scratch Kaido" Yeah that has nothing to do with Katakuri since his armament is was always stronger tha LUffy's, if he was in Luffy's place he would damage Kaido 13- " Zoro tanked of Kaido attacks and could react to Big Mom" Zoro deflecting the wind slash isn't a "tank" are you serious? And reacting to Big Mom is something the base Wci Luffy did when Big Mom was about to attack the one of his allies 13- " Zoro needed advanced conquerors to beat King" That's just a lie he unlocked it because of Enma giving him trouble during the fight not King, King is beatable without conquerors haki as he become regular zoan when he goes speed mode unlike Kaido who's always durable 14- "King's body is so tough that the same attack that Zoro used to cut Kaido couldn't leave a scratch on King" Well that's just wrong you can go again and see that there was an aura coming out of Enma when Zoro attacked Kaido bit there wasn't an aura when Zoro attacked King with the same move 15- "While King's fire is off he's so fast and can perception Blitz Zoro" Well here's the thing that you keep lying... Zoro literally reacted to all of his attacks with basic observation haki not even advanced observation needed for his speed 16- "Even tho Zoro's attacks could barely put a dent on king" Lol he literally got one shot after these 2 attacks that were shallow, Katakuri lost half of his stomach and kept it fighting for hours while bleeding 17- " Zoro seems to struggle with King" No he didn't he was struggling with Enma and you're being disingenuous AGAIN 18- "Katakuri can't stand next to the Wg because Luffy got 1 shot" Again ignoring that Luffy was enrgaed and he was still much weaker than Katakuri, also ignores that Kidd and Killer both got 1 shot from one of Shank's attacks lol, 19- "The fact that a stronger and faster Luffy could get tagged by base Kaido" a stronger Luffy yes but faster isn't a fact it's your headcanon and Katakuri scales to snake man speed not base Luffy, also Kaido said good job not letting the same attack hit you twice which means he didn't get fully hit, but again you ignoring text on screen which is impressive 20- "Law Kidd Killer and Zoro doing damage to Kaido makes them better than Wci Luffy" Kidd literally didn't do anything to Kaido and the rest of them would get one shot by base drunk angry Kaido which is his strongest state when Luffy fought him. This is such a weak argument as well because even the scabbards did damage to Kaido and Luffy didn't but that doesn't make them stronger than Luffy in a fight, being better in one stats doesn't win you the whole fight lol 21- "Base Kaido was able to tag Luffy" You're scaling base Luffy to snake man Luffy which is 10x faster that was still getting bullied by Katakuri in terms of speed? And the fact that Kaido says that base Luffy didn't let the same attack hit him, and you're even scaling King's speed to Kaido's speed? You're just lost 22- "Even if Luffy used Snake man instead of Bounce man the result would've been the same" Oh so you're still ignorant on the fact that Luffy was enraged and couldn't user advanced observation? You're calling yourself a scaler btw. 23- "Zoro could clash with hybrid Kaido" Yes that Zoro had advanced conqeurros = Asura and you're sacling him after than the pre Acoc Zoro vs King? Are you ok? 24- "King could still perception Blitz Zoro with his flames off, which is something hybrid Kaido didn't do" Show me one panel of King perception Blitzing Zoro!! All of his attack were blocked on time, you don't even know what a blitz is. Kaido was about to blitz Zoro but Law saved him and that's the only time that Kaido tried to blitz Zoro why are you saying he couldn't do? But i can tell you have a short memory 25- "But how would Katakuri win the longer the fight get the weaker Katakuri haki will become" Katakuri is the one that showed better stamina feats fighting for 12 hours not King the got 3 shot in 15 minutes and you're trying to argue stamina against Katakuri? hilarious. Also after 12 hours Katakuri didn't show any sign of weakness in terms of observation 26- "Few hits all King needs because it took weaker Luffy 14 hits" I already answered this one above and how are you scaling King AP anyways when we don't know if he could hurt Kaido and the fact that Katakuri has much stronger armament? I have no more words on this.....

Could katakuri do a training arc to become strong enough to win? As in, he takes the loss against luffy as drive to get even stronger.

Big fan not ready for the take

But he at least beats Queen right? (Please, I am on enough copium as it is)

i will always have an issue with katakuri vs king since people act like king can and will one shot katakuri when that's not happening at all, there's so much nuances people miss with katakuri vs luffy like katakuri being the first villain to be conscious right after the fight, brulee heavily hints that katakuri let luffy go afterwards and fell on his back on purpose. To me it doesn't make sense for yonko and YC to be in the same realm , like people honestly believe ulti is headbutting katakuri and its GGs like that doesn't make sense for the sake of the story. Great video but i definitely disagree with katakuri not having a chance

Can you do kaido vs gorosei 🙂✨

W vid but I don’t think kat got powercliffed as bad as people think points like ulti being stronger than kat are just reaches and the kaido that one shot luffy thought of him as a nuscene so he decided to one shot him I definitely think he could’ve done the same to killer if he wasn’t holding back and just taking attacks kat>Tobbi ropo and kat>killer I believe he’s above queen but below sanji slightly

There is no power cliffing Katakuri Neg diffs King Strength: Katakuri Speed: katakuri Stamina: katakuri Defence: katakuri Durability: king Endurance : katakuri Armanent haki: Katakuri Observation haki: Katakuri Conquers Haki: katakuri Versatility: katakuri Df: Katakuri Range: katakuri Hax: Katakuri IQ: katakuri Battle IQ: katakuri Weapon: katakuri's Spear (unknown graded Meito) These are the stats Katakuri neg diffs Some stuff you are downplaying WCI luffy is relative to roof piece Luffy Pre Adv. Conquers WCI luffy made Bigmom Block with armament Haki She made a conscious descion to use armament And Katakuri is has Stronger Attack potency and Strength than Luffy overpiwering him Katakuri Neg diffed Ichiji Raid suit sanji tanked attacks from king no damage Katakuri hits much harder than king Everything we see from Katakuri is from a nerfed katakuri His Attack potency and Fighting style is not used or Even Thrown away Katakuri is a Spearmaster who Started using an unfamilar fightibg style and mastered it mid fight and even imoroved it He did not use His fighting style and tactics And they matter We can see Only a few attacks from his spear and His ap and Dc skyrocket We can See the Danger when luffy got Shit with the numbibg needle He Got a Piece of his side torn off And Was In danger of death Katakuri started respecting luffy and out away hus spear And katakyri has a Unique armament haki that can Overpower g4 luffy's haki Again this was used only 5 times becuase katakuri started liking luffy So katakuri is restricting himself To what is only needed aka future sight and df and Basic armament Katakuri actually stops creating traps and Contructs Becuase he respected luffy and wanted to face Him head on When before we see katakuri spawn floating fist from range right next to luffy to smack him We see katakuri use the terrain to surroynd and overwhelm luffy Katakuri has Domain over land and sky But once he liked luffy he stopped using these tactics Katakuri Is down played for his defence durability and other things But i ask you to read it again Similar if not stonger attacks that made bigmom Block with armament katakuri is not blocking with armament but tanking with his body Katakuri literally allows luffy to attack To see what it can do And we know he can block or dodge becuase its his forté But he did neither with king cobra a final attack from luffy going mach Fuck you Katakuri tanked it with no haki He did not get sent flying from the Supercharged Named attack He did not get cut or brused He got a bug scuff mark Thats it How many characters Can tank that hit and onky have a scuff mark Keeo in mind they have been fightibg for 11 gours straight Using awakening for 8 hours 4 hours with a Hole in their stomach (a lethal attack) fighting in a constant highspeed battle for hours How many could do these feats? We see king bleed from an attack from marco We See king Get a lethal blow from Zoro We see King not be able to damage raid suit sanji King is overrated He is strong But he lacks in nearly everything compared to Katakuri The win condition? There is multple win condition 1 is time and stamina King fought at most 20 minutes total And he was done from lethal attack Katakuri would notice and outspeed Kings Flight mode And take advantage Of gus weakened defences Remeber marco made flame on king bleed So katakuri with his Superior speed(combat attack and movement speed) his Spear and Unique armament haki Is easily Hitting and Putting down King If not in one then with time This win condition is not using his fruit either Katakuri with control over the battle field land and air Makes king Almost helpless "Oh but kings flmire would melt the mochi if he tried to use it" Katakuri has multiole forms of mochi He has Hard soft sticky and you guessed it fire mochi King is not Easily burning way anything He would get trapped before he would melt anything Katakuri is to Much for king its not fair And realize this Zoro tagged and followed King with trash observation haki he Followed his movements and attacked Katakuri cannot do at least that with adv. Observation??? The downolay of katakuri is crazy He also showcased a feature of Adv. Conquers Physically crushing your surrounding Somethibg only shanks and Other yonko do Something luffy did rifht before he started usibg Adv. Conquers properly Aka putting it on his attacks If Katakuri comes back with adv. Conquers it will not be a surprise to me he did what other Adv. Conquers do Its not a Issue with scalibg either Becuase from luffy's messed up face in WCI as they fought Katakuri never NEEDED adv. Conquers for luffy The same way he Never NEEDED his Spear The same way He never NEEDED his Unique armament Katakuri is a restricted character Unlike king who gave it 120% and got put down I think adv. Conquers haki is not a crazy Attack buff But a unique enhancer Maybe it directly buffs attack potency but if it dies i think its small like a 10% attack buff at max Conquers haki is utilizing will itself Basic conquers Overwhelms the Mind Adv. Conquers overwhelms the physical Meaning it actually interacts with the real world And putting on your weapon or fists Stacks that aspect It was confirmed Kaido was using Adv. Conquers haki along with basic armament haki But what kaido says after is interesting "Its like he is galring at me hus mind is not broken" Luffy was Knocked out not from the mind But from his body being overwhelmed And the only effective way to Fight against it is to have it yourself Thats why i think its not an attack buff I think it Adds a unique kind of attack and Defence That can only be fought against by another with it The result is the no touching sphere of will When 2 users are on the same realm of Power the result is no touching and the sky splits the sea's shake I say this becuase yamato achieved one of these the bo touching Sphere of haki But she was not exactly on the same lvl as kaido so there was no struggle of physical will being Clashed so no Sky split no sea shake no island destroying And What is Interesting is katakuri achieved this momentarily on a smaller scale with luffy Sphere of haki Physical world being crushed and affected However Katakuri easily overpowered luffy's Conquers haki Anyway sooner than later katakuri will be back and be allowed to use his full kit And Destroy almost anyone

Would you consider a logia awakening video?

Great video, I'm honestly excited to see Katakuri in the future and how more powerful he is. Hey do you think Sanji will get conqueror haki in the future?

Yea the cope is real, the problem with people power scaling kats fight is they always forget to add context. He lost on purpose!!! How is that hard to understand???

I’ve seen debates about Kid and Law being stronger than Zoro. I get Narratively its easy to assume that, you know 3 Captains and 2 Right Hands, but honestly watching their fighting abilities. I just don’t see it. Even saying Killer is on Par with Zoro, thats a little more fair but to me theres one big problem. The thing is from the 3 of them is Oda almost never shows them using Haki. I could think of multiple examples where they could have used Haki and Multiple techniques where Haki could be implemented in but its kind of insane that they don’t show Haki for those characters. Even if i put Luffy, Zoro and Law in the Ch. 1079 Situation, Law and Zoro should end up the same way Kid & Killer did right? Im not being a rabid, Toxic Power Scaler, but if theres something im missing, i wouldn’t mind learning what exactly i am missing.

Ah yes, because characters years apart would of course have a close fight

Some people were comparing kuzan with kataturi😂.

Haven’t watched the video yet. Katakuri is my glorious mochi king but I always knew he would lose to King because of his inability to do any meaningful damage to King in his flame form. I’ve always thought Katakuri with advanced armament and conquerors could easily beat king, but he just doesn’t have that bc of power creep. I’m intrigued to see what you have to say.

So I believe katakuri vs king is a lot more closer then people think. Personally I think katakuri beats king. First of all I believe katakuri got powercliffed it's not that much but people take it and run for the hills. Just because kaido one shot luffy at the beginning of wano doesn't mean he can't do it to king as well so why make this argument that kat got powercliffed. You say everyone on the rooftop is shown better feats against luffy act 1 really my dude it was a team fight if it was a 1v1 killer,law,kid would have gotten one shotted. Where I think kat got powercliffed was when characters who use acoc and ryou ish. Anyone that doesn't kat is still up there. Is snakeman luffy faster then king? I believe it's close and maybe snakeman might be faster. There's evidence that point to snakeman being faster (spoilers for anime only) snakeman is keeping up with kizaru who is made of light and clearly faster then king. Kizaru had to accelerate faster to knock out snakeman. 2. Kaido had to use future sight on snakeman by default gives katakuri fs. Ik that people are going to point to luffy gotten stronger with his fight with kaido not once does it state that acoc can boots your speed attack power yes but not speed. Not only that certain instances I belive luffy just did a reaction of a move not really him being faster against certain kaido moves. I believe kat can catch up with king in terms of speed. Kat is a lot smarter then zoro so he can figure out king weakness lot more faster then zoro can. I believe his mole spear can pierce king flame off skin. Plus kat has special armanment that is stronger then base armanment. I think wholeheartly that his special armanment can hurt king. Kat has the endurance 11hrs of fighting small breaks in between. Awakening can stop king movement suffociating him or slow him down that kat can pierce him with his mole spear or galatic donut. What does king have that can really damage kat like plz tell oh his fire attacks cool not like kat can dodge or counter in some way. All kat has to is figure out king weakness and keep up with the speed. Katakuri has so much in his arsenal that I believe he can beat king.

Roof Top happens, but instead of The Worst Generation its the Akatsuki. Idk if you gonna take this as a narrative based fight or a classic versus but this is just something I wanna see

I think a big thing overlooked in this analysis is that Luffy was pissed off the first time he fought Kaido, Luffy's anger literally blinded him since you need a calm mind to use Future Sight. You said if Katakuri fought Kaido, it would be the same result as Luffy but Katakuri in character has FS active, Luffy had every indication that he didn't. The number 1 difference between Luffy when he first fought Kaido versus the rematch on Onigashima was Luffy's understanding and utilization of Haki. Take note of how calm Luffy is on the Rooftop, how he immediately uses Future sight to dodge attacks, or how he utilizes Snakeman, a future sight-focused form. We see in the Katakuri fight how significantly FS affects reaction and combat speed, Luffy didn't have the mindset to utilize FS. So was Luffy powercliffed or was he incapable of utilizing his haki to the fullest due to uncharacteristically losing himself to haki? I think the speed disparity between beginning of Wano Luffy and Rooftop Luffy is largely carried by the focus on Futuresight, the same way Luffy's AP is carried by his Advanced Armament and Conqueror's. Early Wano Luffy + Futuresight + G4 Snakeman is probably faster than Zoro. Yes, Zoro can combat Kaido's speed but the speed gap between Yonko and YC isn't nearly as wide as the AP and DC gap. Luffy's speed in G4 has been consistently capable of tagging Yonko and YC tier characters. Both Sanji and G4 Luffy could react to Big Mom in WCI who is relative to Kaido. King required his Flames Off form to damage Zoro meaning that with Flames on he's too slow. King would have to use Flames off to combat Katakuri's speed + Future Sight, with his flames off he's vulnerable to counter attacks and Future Sight is perfect for Counters. I think this is a matter of Haki surpassing all. Katakuri's haki mastery is way above King's and that makes a huge difference.

I dont agree at all. Power cliffing should only be assmed when theres no other option. And the ONLY argument for this is Kaido one shotting Luffy wich is misunderstood. Luffy was caught off guard, due to the state of his mind. Didnt see it coming nor used armament to block. In Udon he learns advanced armament to hurt Kaido. When he goes to to roof and dodges Kaido's thunder bagua IN BASE, he says its because of using future sight He doesnt say anything about his supposed thousand times amp in speed or something He says future sight Wich he didnt the first time because he wasnt calm, thus couldnt dodge or deffend Luffy is not suddenly faster and stronger in base than he was 2 weeks ago in boundman No, hes fighting calmly abd with a new power So no, Katakuri wouldnt have bee one shotted, he would have dodged, way easier than base Luffy. Could Katakuri hurt Kaido? No But thats something else Advanced armament does give Luffy more power to hurt Kaido But Katakuri is DEFINITELY not getting one shotted and hes perfectly comparable to King Hence why Perospero is put around tobi roppo level, when hes like 3 tiers bellow Katakuri Arguing Perospero is equal or stronger than Katakuri, or even close to him, is just being oblivioud to the story's intentions Again, the power cliff should only ve assumed if absolutely necessary In this case EVERYTHING makes way more sense and doesnt stop making sense if you take Luffy being one shotted as what it is, a slip Luffy and his forms didnt get any faster, armament and conquerors dont amp speed, much less thousands of times wich is what this logic requires Yet snakeman pushed Kaido to use future sight, Katakuri fights at those speeds Him vs King is a very tight match

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Nah, you got it wrong about King. The only attacks that injured him were conqueror's attack when he had his flames *OFF.* So that's even more impressive. That means even after scarring Kaido and getting a power up on top of that, Zoro could still not even scratch King when he had his flames on his back.

To be fair, when Luffy got one-shot by Kaido, he probably wasn't using future-sight due to being enraged. Thus, the version of Luffy that got one-shot is weaker than the one that went even with Katakuri. It does still mean Katakuri gets one-shot by Kaido, but he might be able to dodge him in base. I don't think this means that Katakuri could beat King, after all it only makes them relative in speed at best, but it makes the power cliffing slightly less egregious.

Smh yall mfs slow, katakuri only got powercliffed by luffy. Not to mention that katakuri didn’t even take his fight seriously against luffy.

I'd argue that the fight is way closer than the video explains, this is based on speculation to the similarity of Lunarian Flame vs Haki in that both abilities are only viable as long as the user has stamina. For instance, Luffy knew he could beat Katakuri by simply wearing out his opponent gradually, which is not how he wanted to win but was a viable condition for victory. Zoro, on the other hand, got something of a deus ex-machina by virtue of Enma's hunger for Haki. This increase in attack power likely drained King's stamina to the point that the latter was affected despite suffering no physical damage. King wanted to end the fight early before Zoro caught on to this so he spent his energy on a finisher instead. Katakuri can likely press King consistently until King's stamina ran out, prompting the latter to attack by means of AOE attacks like the flaming dragon. The deciding factor will then be whether King's speed form/AOE attack can catch Katakuri, and if Katakuri can affectively and consistently hit King, who's biggest strength includes flight. I think It really depends on who's attacking and defending, and will ultimately end in a standstill 50% of the time.

8:11 "master it" mf zoro aint hitting that attack ever in his fck life on purpose. Zoro doesnt master sht , he didnt even knew basic conq haki. When haki comes grom the blade but not the user , we can safely asume that enmma bring out adv conq haki for that exact attack but wont do until zoro is on his last end and uses , those same type of attacks.

Give me some captain Kuro vs first appearance Buggy

Bro can you make a video about Zoro vs Yorichi my friend dosent believe that Zoro can take Yorichi

you should make a video on if luffy would be able to beat all of zoro's opponents as in most arcs luffy is stronger then zoro but them being swordman would give them a leg up against luffy. have especially being think about luffy vs kaku

Powercliff is the only argument ppl have when it comes to this subject. when katakuri is faster, way smarter, way more versatile, has better hax, and has better haki (all 3 btw). king is a gimmick fighter, katakuri would easily figure out kings gimmick and at that point hes still slow and has base zoan durability. katakuri in 6

Zoro did not use advanced conquerors vs kaido. The vivra cards just confirmed it’s only conquers when black lightning is coming out.

So what’s up with emission haki It’s not realy well fit for any other type of haki and is the only technique without an advanced version what would this work like and is it worth talking about?

You have to consider the fact that Zoro needed COC and the hack to hit King to defeat him. Meaning even with flames off, when he is ultra fast, you need the most powerful attack to put him down. That is how broken he is. Greenbull has the ultimate hack DF, he doesn't "Damage" you, he takes your nutrients and water out of your body its like if Ceasar Clown sucked the air around you dry, wtf is durability to damage, armament going to do, lol

Should acoc have an exact multiplier or is it best left vague

I would reccomend garp vs Rayleigh

While I also think Kat can't win against King, Kat literally evened the playing field with Luffy after skewering himself. Luffy's 14 hits was augmented by Kat's major self-skewer. Also, Oda gives surviving enemies ways to get stronger too. *coughs*Don Krieg in New World*coughs*

Why don't they just move at the speed of light and travel to the moon in 3 seconds? You can't lose a fight if you're not even on the same planet as your opponent 😂😂😂

Do Kaido vs Frieza next

I think the biggest issue I have with using Luffy vs Kaido as a bridge has to do with equating Luffy and Katakuri's stats perfectly in the scenario. While I agree that Katakuri would've likely been one-shot in the same scenario, I'm not one board with saying that he couldn't damage Kaido because Katakuri has more methods of dealing damage outside of just raw blunt damage. I think a lot people never factor in the type of attack a person uses and just looks at everything as a case of raw numbers. I agree that Katakuri would do no damage if he ran at Kaido and tried to punch him but his spear attacks are an entirely different type of attack that we don't have a point of comparison for, since Luffy wasn't able to outright tank them, instead just barely being able to minimize damage by dodging enough that they missed vitals. That being said, King still low-mid diffs him.

to be fair, luffy got one shot because he wasn't using future sight as he was angry so katakuri wouldn't lose of one attack like luffy .I also think specific ability allows him to bypass durability of kaido's scales. if you put killer in the same place as act 1 luffy, he's also getting one shot.

Yea boy you slow…. points aren’t valid at all. If there’s a way I could definitely change your mind on this.

While I mostly, if not fully, agree with this assessment, I would also say that powerscaling fights doesn't really work in the actual story of One Piece. Based on powerscaling, Crocodile should have died a thousand times in Marineford. So while Katakuri doesn't stand a chance based on what we've seen from both of them, if they actually fought in the series, you know it would be a much closer fight.

I don't think luffy was using future sight when he was one shoted. you need to be calm and luffy was absolutely livid at the time. still agree with the result over all

Peak vid fraudakuri gets slammed

Marco with base armament haki was able to draw blood from both King and Queen with basic kicks. I don't see how Katakuri would be incapable of damaging him when he possesses a spear and has relative speed to Marco.

I really think Oda wrote himself into a corner with Wano, he probably really wanted to set the tension up by having Kaido 1 shot Luffy at the beginning, but couldn't find any way to make it make sense for the cast to actually beat him in the end. I would not be surprised at all if characters from former arcs become relevant again and are suddenly somewhat able to keep up with the cast despite not having had any time to train/get stronger. Narratively, I doubt King is supposed to be that much stronger than Katakuri, Oda just wanted Zoro and Killer to fight Kaido and it kinda destroyed the power scaling.

I like the idea that a fight between these 2 would stalemate. Katakuri can't damage King cause his durability is too high, and King can't damage Katakuri because he dodges every single attack. The 1st commanders all seem to be "lock and key" opponents where you need a specific tool or ability to even have a win condition. For Katakuri that's future sight. No matter how fast you are, he sees the attack a few seconds before it happens. Unless you can also see him dodge and change your attack accordingly, you wont hit him. For king it's conqueror's infusion. If you don't have AP on that level, which so far is only possible through conqueror's haki, then it's just impossible to damage him. I don't like the powercliffing argument because we've seen that older characters reintroduced are always much stronger, even when they had no opportunity to do so. Look at Crocodile for the best example of that hapening between alabasta and impel down. I have no doubt that if katakuri was to appear again the difference in stats would significantly decrease, even if he didnt do any kind of training between then and now. I do think King would win in the end, but it's much closer than you think. Katakuri's only win condition is getting conqueror's infusion or suffocating King. Both of those are incredibly unlikely to happen. Even factoring in seastone/the ocean king keeps his durability, and has a flying devil fruit to avoid falling in water.

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I actually think katakuri could win because he is a great counter to king. As we know king is impatient and will go in his speed form to Finnish the battle faster. The moment he changes form he will get hit with a full power attack from katakuri since he has future sight and can anticipate when that happens. I think three of those hits could be enough to finish king of. Over all he is weaker than king but I think he has the advantage over him because of personality and hax