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Kingsong S22 Review - Best Worst Electric Unicycle 2022 

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Finally, I review the Kingsong S22 after all these fires and issues that we've been seeing on the Kingson S20 what is really this Kingsong S22 in real life?
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@rapozo107
@rapozo107 2 года назад
Love your honesty about so many parts of the wheel and taking your time going over each of them. Really loved the video man, definitely one of the best reviews I’ve seen for the S20/S22
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Wow I really have to say thank you for does words big thank you you made my day
@BennyMartinx
@BennyMartinx 2 года назад
Detailed review yet again. I guess S22 will be one of those love/hate wheels. Thanks for sharing, bro 😎
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Always here for you bro
@darkhorseeuc
@darkhorseeuc 2 года назад
Thank you Marco! You’re doing so much for all of us by putting your time into these wheels and videos. Guys like you are making this better for everyone; giving us (and hopefully the manufacturers) insights into what makes a safe, robust, and enjoyable product. Cheers my friend.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Wow bro I can’t say more than thank you for all you kind words. Without you guys this was not possible and I also hope that with time all manufactures they see the importance to work with us directly. I’m with conversations with Kingsong we will see if in the future I can work closely with them like I’m doing since the launch of the inmotion v8f with inmotion. I think Kingsong have a lot of potencial but they need to go forward with there way of being in the market so they can push there product to the next level
@Simonisms
@Simonisms 2 года назад
Really excellent review 👏👏👏 Thank you Marco for your honesty and insight.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Always bro you know that thats not negotiable :)
@ThaBlackCobra
@ThaBlackCobra 2 года назад
Hey brother Marco glad you got a chance to ride the S20/22. I definitely did not have the same experience on this wheel as you did. I believe a lot of it is due to how much heavier I am than you. I did not have trouble accelerating or braking and the balance although slightly back heavy didn’t give me any trouble navigating with it. I definitely agree that I thoroughly enjoyed the suspension and how easy it was for me to hit bumps going pretty fast and not even worry about it. You did get a lot more time riding the wheel though. I did not get a chance to take it off road as I had hoped I would. I am still very hopeful that they will make the necessary upgrades to at least make the wheel safe and I think I’ll be happy with it. 👊🏾
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Yeah I believe that you didn’t take it to the real world obvious with your weight compared to mine (less than 75kg) you could break better but the wheel have very bad issues in there. If you compare it head to head and you take it into your daily commute you will feel what I’m saying even with your weight because your weight will not change depending on the wheel that you ride. :) hope that you are well and your shoulder is fully recovered im also fighting since December to get back my right shoulder but is been hard
@UStride
@UStride 2 года назад
That's a really good review madpack and I totally agree with the prototype part even though I didn't really have the wheel that long to test
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Lololol you had the most explosive experience of us :) you really saved a lot of houses. Thank you for your support and for your contribution for the community bro
@UStride
@UStride 2 года назад
@@MADpackhaha I hear you man, even though I didn't expect that explosion. Pretty crazy stuff. But your review was very helpful thanks for that
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Thanks man always happy to see you here in the comments bro
@UStride
@UStride 2 года назад
@@MADpack moat def
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
See you soon bro
@thecaptainandthewheel8506
@thecaptainandthewheel8506 2 года назад
Hands down the best detailed review of the the S20. Thank you for the honesty my brother. The Captain approves.😉
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Wow I’m so happy that you like the video took me an entire day off to put it together so happy that some of you guys appreciate all the effort that I put to make this videos and maintain a full time job + family responsabilities
@Roskellan
@Roskellan 2 года назад
A very interesting insight into this wheel. Something we have all known for a long time though, the EUC manufacturers cannot bring a mature product to market, it is always a pre production model. The problems are resolved in time and even in new versions. The lesson unfortunately, you will have problems if you buy a first batch wheel, regardless of who makes it.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
But in here the problem is that the wheel feels really like a prototype but the wheel was already sent out to distributors
@noelleonard2498
@noelleonard2498 2 года назад
The problem is that the design is the design at this point. Those suspension sliders can't be fixed it would take a full design change
@MONOVIBEs2KX
@MONOVIBEs2KX 2 года назад
Appreciate your extremely Critical review! The S22 is going to be my first wheel. I won't have any muscle memory or prior experience. I'll learn on it "as is" and then go from there. Between all the different experiences and reviews online I almost feel like I'm rolling the dice 🙏
2 года назад
🤞
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Like I said on my review at this moment I will definitely not put my money in a so amateur wheel.. and if you think about it kingsong never done a wheel above 84v and when they try it they blow up badly so yeah I will not bet my money on this and like I show you that structure where your suspension moves will give you problems really soon
@Ukreefside
@Ukreefside 2 года назад
I’d be wary of buying batch 1 wheels. They usual fix issues with each batch. Batch 2/3 may have less issues/more refinements
@MONOVIBEs2KX
@MONOVIBEs2KX 2 года назад
@@Ukreefside I'm hoping the fire and feedback from the community caused KingSong to fix "batch one". I actually didn't realize how niche EUC's are. Almost experimental tech.
@MONOVIBEs2KX
@MONOVIBEs2KX 2 года назад
@@MADpack I agree with what you're saying. Your suggestion are quite extensive and yes would require a complete hardware re-work. That being said I'm keeping my S22 Pre-order. Worst case I have an Off-road only wheel and buy another one next season. Thanks for all your hard work!
@Papalou1234
@Papalou1234 2 года назад
good review once again i like youre friends insight👌🏻
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Happy that you like it I thought will be good to hear someone else than me since in the end balance is a negative review
@Papalou1234
@Papalou1234 2 года назад
i am surprise KS is know to ask peoples removing negative regarding them! i remember Ian at speedy feet on hes video being ask to remove what appear to make ks look bad on the ks20 i think hes first and he said he will not accept that👌🏻😉i really likeyoure honestly and unbias review! keep them coming
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Hopefully I don’t need this for living so this is just a hobby and a passion and even if I need this to live in the moment I will not be honest I will lose you guys that to reach where I am now took me 4 years of sacrifices and loads of ours filming and editing
@Dennymolv
@Dennymolv 2 года назад
Cant wait to see your review on the Master. I think if you like the Hero you are going to love the Master.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
For the few feedback that I got already about the master I think they are different wheels but I will have to wait to see and test it
@Mpower31
@Mpower31 2 года назад
So onpoint with your review Marco. Seriously I really hope kingsong listens and makes some big revisions...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Me too they still have not learn the lesson the continue to not hear us and do what they think is better. You can see that who develops this wheels are not daily riders otherwise they will spot this out.
@Mpower31
@Mpower31 2 года назад
@@MADpack Marco what do you think about the Master? Does it seem promising to you? Do you have any reservations atm just given what you know so far? Also I don't think KS is gonna be able to fix the issues especially the bigger structural problems...Which is a bummer I was really looking forward to getting a suspension wheel and was probably gonna shell out for the S22 in the Fall.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
When more I see about the master less I think that is the wheel for me.. I think is a good wheel but not a city rider and in the same time that back stand makes it not a wheel to take for jumps. It will be a game changer in performance (when we talk about power) but built construction is less refine than the hero.suspension It will continue to be inferior to the s22 but that is not a doubt. I’m still very curious to understand the suspension that we will find on the v13 I would love after riding the s22 to find a similar suspension on it but with the comfort and ease to ride of the v12 and with the range of a begode EXN I will be very happy… I can only wait and speculate that we will have the best EUC in the market soon. So much silence from them for so long they are trying something that we never saw (extended battery for the weekends maybe?)
@MalcontentYouth
@MalcontentYouth 2 года назад
Love your work, always honest and straight to the point. Don't have any skin in the game as I am waiting on my RSHS from EWheels...should be any day. Will be my first Gotway/Begode. Should be fun.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
What do you used to ride first? And thank you really happy to know that you enjoy my content. By the way where are you based? USA correct?!
@MalcontentYouth
@MalcontentYouth 2 года назад
@@MADpack Started on kingsong 14S, my everyday driver is 16X. New Hampshire, USA
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Never try the 14s but if you follow me for a while you know that I used to own a 16x
@2slice805
@2slice805 2 года назад
Nice review Bro. Waiting on your review on the Master
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
You need to wait a bit longer since it depends on erides when they will have the time to give it to me
@2slice805
@2slice805 2 года назад
@@MADpack I have the patience Bro
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Thank you bro… because you need to be since I have to wait e rides restinga and group rides after yes it will be here so let’s be patient
@DoktorManhattan
@DoktorManhattan 2 года назад
Brutal honesty 👍🏼 I hope Kingsong take all your comments on board.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
For previous experience I doubt
@trevorshields7347
@trevorshields7347 2 года назад
As with everything, it will be all down to cost
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Bro I will have to say that yes but this is not a question of cost but bad design
@ludens5319
@ludens5319 Год назад
I just got mine in October of last year and it’s been an excellent wheel so far
@MADpack
@MADpack Год назад
Happy to hear that obviously they may have already improved or better if you don’t have a point of comparison your wheel will always be good because you can’t compare with anything :)
@noelleonard2498
@noelleonard2498 2 года назад
The toy like suspension sliders did it for me, I was done when I saw what it consisted of. Once those aluminum channels that are the actual battery boxes get scored you're done and now you have a non suspension wheel no matter how many plastic sliders you throw at it. Totally unacceptable
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Definitely the worst design for suspension that I’ve seen with the best suspension that I’ve tired
@albertoalerigijr
@albertoalerigijr 2 года назад
@@MADpack you just said in the video you loved the suspension : )
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Yes I love it but with the worst slide design that I’ve seen I said that on the video and I believe I made it clear bro
@Ukreefside
@Ukreefside 2 года назад
Great review. I’d be upset dropping that kind of money on a wheel and having to make all these changes. I really like the look of it though. I still haven’t found a wheel that suits my needs since the 16x. Range and hill climbing without overheating. Maybe the v12HT. Almost like a refined 16x. I Look forward to your thoughts on the v12HT when you get one. P.s if you ever need testers, I’d be happy to help.. I’m not that far from you. Have done about 3k miles on various wheels over the last 3-4 years.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Where are you based my friend?!
@jaredboulderterry3912
@jaredboulderterry3912 2 года назад
begode rs never overheats on hills and has pretty good range
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I can’t consider the rs anymore since that lack of waterproofing and the motherboard on the bottom and if you use on the winter you need to tape all your handle so no handle for you makes me look to the rs as a no option
@noelleonard2498
@noelleonard2498 2 года назад
I'm getting a v12ht as my next wheel after my 16x. Going to.wait a few years before a pay 3000+ for a suspension wheel. Not getting caught up in all the hype to be a company's testbed.
@Ukreefside
@Ukreefside 2 года назад
@@MADpack just south of london
@mikeandrews1384
@mikeandrews1384 2 года назад
Excellent video thank you 👍 if you spend this much money on a wheel it should be right to start with
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I completely agree with you… they should not use our money to make better versions of a wheel they should have delivered in the first place
@Hangin_With_Shane
@Hangin_With_Shane 2 года назад
Marco, Excellent 👍 video and content! I'm glad to see an honest break down of the S20! Why are people calling it the S22 now?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
That was kingsong after the fire in New York they released a new update 2.19 and they call it s22 to make us believe that the issue is gone with a software update but far from truth
@Hangin_With_Shane
@Hangin_With_Shane 2 года назад
@@MADpack thank you very much for the reply! It will be interesting to see how King Song moves forward with this wheel and what changes they make! Loved your opinion/review! Be Well -Shane
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Love to have you around as always :)
@RonnieRides
@RonnieRides 2 года назад
You bring up some fair points about weak-points, regarding us riders being beta testers for the wheels it's the same for all manufactures unfortunately.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Yeah we definitely want more testing the big issue is lack of competitors when more we will have more tests they will do and fight to be the safest option on the market
@a.d.h.dn3d461
@a.d.h.dn3d461 2 года назад
If someone makes a RU-vid search of s20 the video of the s20 fire will pop up but name change helps avoid that bad publicity.... Just my thought on it.... 🤔
@RonnieRides
@RonnieRides 2 года назад
@@a.d.h.dn3d461 I don't think so, it's easy for content creators to just change title from S20 to S22.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Indeed completely agree with you… I believe after the fire the s20 should not go even forward because is not ready to go out
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Agree but they try to associate the fire to an software issue (2.17) and the s22 is now after deep testing (2.19)
@ctchuteflyer
@ctchuteflyer 2 года назад
Can you rate acceleration AND braking compared directly to the S18? If you test the two of them side by side, zero to 35km/hr to zero, will the s22 outperform?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Breaking never been a problem on the s18.. accelerating forget the s22 will eat the s18
@theeucguy
@theeucguy 2 года назад
Question: There was no firmware update in the KS app or ability to calibrate stiffness, sensitivity, angle.... ?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I’ve done an update on the s20 2.17 to the new 2.19 version
@harriott74
@harriott74 2 года назад
Love the review, the honesty and attention to detail. These wheels are not cheap so why should we as consumers accept this type of "pre production" build quality. You would not accept it if you bought an electric skateboard for this price yet these wheels are churned out with this sub par quality. Most reviewers tend to concentrate on ride quality/range and point out some issues without getting up close to it with a Microscope. I guess they can't all review these wheels thoroughly but we're glad you have. In short, won't be buying this wheel at all.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Wow thank you so much my friend I’m happy that you enjoy my honesty and yes I try to don’t focus only on the ride because I really care about built construction for that reason my favourite wheel at the moment is the v12 since the waterproofing and all around features are better and more than any wheel on the market
@trevorshields7347
@trevorshields7347 2 года назад
I'm in a right dilemma. I have ordered a ks22 but now have doubts. Do I stick with the order or forego the suspension and get a Sherman max?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Hi there I didn’t try the Sherman max but I believe the experience will be similar to previous version. They are completely 2 different wheels.. because of the sliders I will not put my money on the s22 to be honest sherman is a wheel mature and that you know what to expect but depends on your needs per example is not the wheel for my day to day. What are you looking for?
@trevorshields7347
@trevorshields7347 2 года назад
@@MADpack Well! I was really looking forward to the s22. Love the looks and the suspension would have been the cherry on top? But! Seen a few videos where the fasteners are of poor quality, corrosion developing in such a short period of time. Then those suspension sliders. I can only imagine a lot of maintenance to keep it in good working order. The other problem is, its such a pain to access those sliders
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Definitely my friend maintenance is the middle name of this wheel S Maintenance 22 ahahahah
@gerardwandels9364
@gerardwandels9364 2 года назад
Merci madpack pour cette revue très honnête . on sent qu'il y a eu du boulot derrière pour trouver les bons mots. malheureusement la mienne est précommande et je ne peux plus l'annulé...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Why you can’t cancel your order? Where did you order yours?!
@gerardwandels9364
@gerardwandels9364 2 года назад
commande groupée auprès du fabriquant...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Ah ok só cheaper but impossible to drop and also no warranty
@gerardwandels9364
@gerardwandels9364 2 года назад
@@MADpack Yep :/
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Yeah done that mistake when I bought from them the 16x and never more
@chiefhood
@chiefhood 2 года назад
i hope they take your points to improve the product
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
We will see but if they are wheels already with distributors I don’t think so
@mynameisMelt
@mynameisMelt 2 года назад
very interesting good review. You were brave to allow the wheel inside your home, after one blew up. thanks for your honesty. KS18 is uncomfortable to ride for me, yet I can ride V11 all day, it's super comfy. How did S22 feel? same, better or worse compared to the V11 on road and off road ?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Is coming a video about that soon :) I’m editing :) I think you will be more informed with the video of 17 minutes if I’m not wrong that I’m editing at the minute
@seewaldsja
@seewaldsja 2 года назад
I ride ks 16x. Love it.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
16x have its limitations since I normally ride around 60kph I will not be able to enjoy the 16x anymore and also was for me a very bad wheel brought me a lot of problems. Obviously they made it better since but the speed and also the lack of water proof is a big no no for me
@seewaldsja
@seewaldsja 2 года назад
@@MADpack It's my 1st and only wheel and I felt like limiting myself to 30 miles an hour would be safe and I saw it was pretty durable.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Now it can be better but for me that I ride constantly in the rain and after all problems I had (ks send me a batch 1 when they promise me a batch 2, innershell broken without doing jumps just riding, half of the speakers stop working and dead on arrive motherboard that ks took 5 months to accept to send me a replacement) was enough to every time I hear 16x I can’t say is a good wheel. Loved the way it rides even if slow now for me enjoy the light and visibility of it and how comfortable it was. And the trolley handle continue to be one of the best on the market
@vegas34162
@vegas34162 Год назад
Why would you be staring at the screen while riding? I don’t get that being an issue. It beeps at you. Letting you know your speed. Battery can be seen when you stop. How often do you truly ride until it’s dead from fully charged? You don’t.
@MADpack
@MADpack Год назад
Hi there first thank you for your comment. Second yes I like to see how is things speed battery etc but that’s my opinion you don’t have to agree. Second even stopped it doesn’t tell you the amount of battery it shows you a graphic of a battery but you don’t know how much battery you have. So for me that’s not a pleasant experience on that subject but once again is just my thoughts if you disagree if it’s good for you I’m cool with that. Big hugs
@grostire
@grostire 2 года назад
It makes sense that you have problem to brake since you reversed the pedal, so most of your body weight is at the front of the wheel.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Man like we talked in the end of the video even with the pedals in the right place you struggle to break. Slightly better but not enough and definitely not normal
@jameshwang4750
@jameshwang4750 2 года назад
Is that Grizzla Pads medium size? Would large be better?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Definitely no
@jameshwang4750
@jameshwang4750 2 года назад
@@MADpack Is that not medium Grizzle pad? or Large Grizzle pad not better?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Large will not fit in my opinion
@chibuikembah9937
@chibuikembah9937 2 года назад
I think Kingsong engineers trying to bring out a design looks like Transformers or spaceships that are only seen in movies and trying to put handls, seat, kil switch, power botton, charge port, etc, etc becomes a problem. I respect them for that but they really need to put in more effort. At this moment some are fine with ks22 some are not. All wheels had issues at there first intro i hope they sort it out for ks22.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Some of the issues that O said is impossible they sort it out without doing a new wheel
@davegreen9155
@davegreen9155 2 года назад
I'm 52, and the idea of tooling around for 20 miles on something not much bigger than a Bread-box is absolutely fascinating! When I heard that thise things catch fire,...my inner child said "Ghost Rider on a uni-cycle"..... (I cant un- see that now) Can You build one of your own using a hub motor from one of the many options out there? If so how would you get it to balance? Also, I see many e bikes that are app.ble to use applications to pair with cell phones, why not have a WHEEL that pairs with a SMART WATCH? (BRILLIANT IDEA YEAH?)
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
You have solutions to connect to your watch example you have a Garmin you can connect you wheel with darkness bot and the DarknessBot will connect to your watch. Inmotion have done a watch but is only compatible with v8f and v11 not with v12. Related to do yourself yeah you could buy a motherboard and motor plus batteries and do it but I don’t see the point
@davegreen9155
@davegreen9155 2 года назад
@@MADpack Thanks for explaining! Enjoy Your ride!
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Always bro always
@jacobbridges9075
@jacobbridges9075 2 года назад
I accidentally left mine charging overnight. Woke up to my smoke detectors going off. Walked over and saw my wheel smoking. I took the charger out and put it out on the patio in a box. It hasn’t combusted but I’m nervous. It seems fine now?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Smoke and you are asking me if it’s ok?!
@BabbittdaWabbitt
@BabbittdaWabbitt 2 года назад
Never ever charge a wheel “over night” unattended. These things will burn your house down. It is definitely not fine now.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I will just take it out for ever from my house to much danger involve
@claudioagmfilho
@claudioagmfilho 2 года назад
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Awesome review!
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Que parte do brasil és? Abraco
@jensenperalta7927
@jensenperalta7927 2 года назад
at this point I wish they should have improved the s18, the s22 has a lot of problem. master has problems too but not as much as the s22. suspension itself on the s22 is not worth my money, open sliding suspension on off road will kill it pretty fast. dust, dirt, small stones not good.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I completely agree with you but at this moment I see also the master as a problem.. I just saw the video of Jimmy and that back light and trolley (hero had the strongest trolley o. The market) is insane that they manage to make a so bad one once again I really do t get it
@Sock66
@Sock66 2 года назад
The rubber not letting the pedal be opened....... maybe its a feature? Little stress relief from a garbo machine? LOL
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I had to cut the rubber since one never open completely and when i swap around I was constantly missing the pedal
@Sock66
@Sock66 2 года назад
@@MADpack maybe they just made the whole damn thing backwards lol
@nocturnal5123
@nocturnal5123 2 года назад
*I am also having difficulty in braking when i ride kingsong S18 too.. I don't have this problem with any other wheel. It just doesn't want to stop..*
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Never had any problem to break with the s18 what do you ride beside s18
@nocturnal5123
@nocturnal5123 2 года назад
@@MADpack ks 16x,ks 18l,18xl
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I can see you are a kingsong fan
@nocturnal5123
@nocturnal5123 2 года назад
@@MADpack haha yea. But my next wheel is gonna be inmotion V12 HT.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
It’s a good move :)
@roye6961
@roye6961 10 месяцев назад
what euc do you recommend?
@MADpack
@MADpack 10 месяцев назад
That’s so relative need more detials
@roye6961
@roye6961 10 месяцев назад
@@MADpack well, the reason i watched this video because i was considering the s22. I asked bing ai and it said its a good euc to buy. But now that i see your perspective, I'd like to know what euc do you reccomend with similar or less price. I appreciate ur reply btw!
@MADpack
@MADpack 10 месяцев назад
@roye6961 before buying an electric unicycle you need to understand your need? Is just for fun? Is to commute? Off road or just road? Do you live in a building without an elevator? What is your weight? Speed is important? So many things before deciding
@roye6961
@roye6961 10 месяцев назад
@@MADpack honestly, at this point i dont care about what exactly i might want, my nikola plus with 1800wh wont charge anymore after only 900km, considering the infamous begode lg battery packs, its not even worth to pay for a diagnosis, i have to throw it in garbage. I just want a wheel i can turn on and ride without fear. I guess my only option is veteran sherman? or maybe v10f. I guess im looking for the most reliable wheel with safest battery packs. I can sacrifice comfort of suspension for reliability.
@MADpack
@MADpack 10 месяцев назад
@roye6961 when you put v10f and Sherman in the same line there are massive differences… depends if you want speed or not I would have a wait and see the InMotion v14 if you are in a rush Sherman max or Patton
@XGiveMeLibertyX
@XGiveMeLibertyX 2 года назад
How about the s18 is that a good wheel?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Have you seen my review? Kingsong S18 Production Model ✅Offroad King but BORING suspension EUC ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--YVD40PIxAk.html
@XGiveMeLibertyX
@XGiveMeLibertyX 2 года назад
@@MADpack nope but I will watch it right now thanks!
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
If you need something else let me know
@thefoss721
@thefoss721 2 года назад
Super sick wheel I can’t wait to get my production model! I’ve never been so stoked! Heard a lot of amazing reviews on this wheel and I’m sure I’ll have the same reviews… small things aren’t a big issue for me, they can all be adapted like protecting the suspension sliders and the color and the pads, etc. all not big issues but thanks for giving your honest review
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Breaking and suspension where mud dirt and water goes inside open from top to bottom is a small thing? I’m confused.. who talked about colours in this 24 minutes bro? Big hugs and stay safe
@thefoss721
@thefoss721 2 года назад
@@MADpack the production models solved that issue with the openings and I was talking about the colors, not you . You talked about the wheel loosing the look without the stock pads, just put some sweet looking pads on the side and make em all the same color and it will look just fine! I didn’t watch your whole video because you were just being so negative I couldn’t listen If you would just talk about what you noticed without all the emotion I would have payed attention …. Buuut you didn’t so I didn’t want to keep watching, but you made some good points Thanks for the info! ✌️ peace and love brotha
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Man nobody force you to see.. I just tell the truth on my videos I understand if you have your money in one you don’t want to hear that you put your money on the wrong worse hugs
@thefoss721
@thefoss721 2 года назад
@@MADpacksome people love this wheel some people hate it , but your one of the few people that have just commented on the potential bad things about the wheel but most of those things aren’t really a issue, we will see later if the sliders get mud stuck in them but right now that’s not a issue, we will see about the other things but this is a great wheel the positives outweigh the negatives so I’m really not worried about your comments and feeling of this wheel, I just thought I’d do you a favor and let you know you are coming off as more negative than you should be unless you just choose not to like this wheel and it sounds like that’s what your doing but if you don’t want to take my advice then it doesn’t bother me… it will only bother you in the long run regarding small issues of wheels, go ahead get grumpy about the slider and the foot peddles and the wheel and the handle and everything else you think is horrible on the wheel…. That’s not my issue and it’s not a issue for most people who get this wheel. We don’t buy a wheel like this for the handle and the potentially muddy slider.. we buy it because it’s the best hardcore suspension wheel to sent it on and it has a few set backs, but the positives outweigh the negatives and apparently you don’t see that … it’s not a RS, it’s a king song wheel, it’s not gonna be like a RS , but it’s a massive upgrade in safety and performance and suspension from the S-18 and just because one person thinks this wheel sucks doesn’t mean I bought a bad wheel man.. go ahead and let us know about the issues you see, but let us decide if it’s a good wheel or not. You don’t have to tell me it’s bad for me to think it’s bad. I’m not really listening to your opinion I’m listening to your info
@thefoss721
@thefoss721 2 года назад
@@MADpack please you don’t have to reply to my last message, I’m not interested in getting into a debate I just wanted to let you know that your being negative and you should be more nice if you want some people to watch your videos but it sounds like your satisfied with how your acting so don’t take this advice Good day buddy
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife 2 года назад
The pads are adjustable, you are supposed to move them to where you need them....
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
For me they don’t work at all beside the fact that to use them you need to remove the plastic part that is like a guide line but in the end doesn’t allow me to do it
@BigBoss-gb4cx
@BigBoss-gb4cx 2 года назад
If you could buy a EUC which one would you buy in 2022?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
At this moment will be or inmotion v12 or begode hero
@BigBoss-gb4cx
@BigBoss-gb4cx 2 года назад
@@MADpack Well... It doesn't help :)) still two wheels. I wanted to get the Inmotion S22 for long term, but I guess it won't be a good choose, and the rest are not sure if a good buy for long term, since they don't have proper suspension.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
The inmotion s22? Ahahah talking about inmotion wait until July if you can and see what inmotion have to offer with the v13 that have suspension. Beside that you are a fan of metal gear solid? :) my favourite game of all times
@BigBoss-gb4cx
@BigBoss-gb4cx 2 года назад
@@MADpack :) Yeah. :) .... And yeah I did watched the review, the S22 is a skip. I wouldn't pay 3500 usd for a wheel that has so many flaws and probably get them fixed next year
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
To sort this out you need to wait for a new wheel maybe s24 lolol
@YourAubsome
@YourAubsome 2 года назад
Kingsong gets my vote for the company that makes the worst pads. When I first rode my S18 it felt like the pads were stabbing me in the lefts. I had to grind down the stock pads and add a bunch of aftermarket stuff to make it somewhat decent. With the S20 they continued their legacy of over-engineered pads that absolutely suck and no doubt increase the cost of the wheel by at least $100. Dear Kingsong: STOP TRYING TO MAKE PADS YOUR TERRIBLE AT IT!!!
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Agree 100%
@erikbrollin872
@erikbrollin872 2 года назад
Thank you for the information about the S22. After putting the down payment on it I am hoping to receive a polished product though it might be wishful thinking. Time and trails will tell.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I would wait. I would love that ks will contact me to send me a polish s22 to review but unfortunately I doubt they will do that
@albertoalerigijr
@albertoalerigijr 2 года назад
Its an off road wheel. people don't ride fast in these conditions, so the screen is in the correct position cause simply you don't need to look at it all the time. I think you didn't understand the proposition of it...And they heard... they did poor choices on S18 and S22 is a huge leap, increasing the bet with the coil suspension. About breaking...obviously I didn't had the chance to tested it, but you've changed the pedals to accelarate it... so, the weight is up front.... so.... it's going to be harder to break since you will have to lean much more to the back... About the fire.... it happened on one wheel and they immediatly took it to see what happened and issue a warning to the users and make changes on it... It's a very responsible approuch that gotway never took it...I'm not a ks fanboy, neither a gotway fanboy... I own a sherman and used to have a V10.... I simply get disappointed to watch reviews like that... its totaly unfair, specially with you don't give the other side a chance to comment about the things you say...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Hi my friend I had issues to break also in the original position a bit less but not a major difference but to accelerate that was night and day so is not the fault of the pedal position bro. Related to the screen makes no sense what you are talking for that why having a screen? And yea the s22 is much better than the s18 until a certain point… the s18 was a boring wheel the s22 gave me some great moments. But is more than ridiculous some options they made on this wheel
@ivanmorales3265
@ivanmorales3265 2 года назад
Did you say you reached 100 kph? When you were talking about the lack of ability to brake?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
70kph not 70mph
@ivanmorales3265
@ivanmorales3265 2 года назад
@@MADpack ok, thank you. I wasn't quite sure what you said. But I was like daaannng, that's a world record. Lol
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Ahahahah no don’t worry I’m not a fast rider :) and since my accident in December I’m more conservative
@InsanitiesBrother
@InsanitiesBrother 2 года назад
Good to be critical, but one thing you don't mention is that this S20/22 is a preproduction model. So things like the suspension sliders will be an issue. but things like screw length can be somewhat understood. Rushed out prior to CNY. Edit: To be clear, you mention that it's a prototype. I typed this specifically in reference to the screw length thing. As in, "when talking about the screw lengths, you don't mention that this is probably pre-prod related".
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I said multiple times during the 24 minutes that is a prototype but is in my opinion so much hardware issues that is a shame that you can order something that is far from perfect. Like I said this is an amazing prototype but nothing more than that
@Mars_Bless
@Mars_Bless 2 года назад
He said it multiple times throughout the video.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Maybe he was answering to another video :)
@InsanitiesBrother
@InsanitiesBrother 2 года назад
@@MADpack No, and I don't mean to be rude. But if you go to 18:40 and watch for a minute, you mix your idea of 'good prototypes' in with the general idea of a pre-production device. I think you then use your comparison to the V12 pre-prod to say the Kingsong isn't ready enough. To be clear, I'm aware of what you've said in the video. Hence me mentioning the suspension slider bit as valid criticism even at pre-production. I was specifically saying that bits like the screw length are a non issue for a pre-production device. TL;DR. I agree with what you are saying in general, but was disagreeing about the screw lengths being something of concern for batch 1 (2) buyers.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
It is since this is a pre production that have basically no time to make changes you could order this wheel last summer man… I compared to the v12 since I get it in the same stage. Inmotion asked me to make 1000km on it and give my feedback and that was a product that you could see what close to finish this is literally a prototype should never be possible to order it.. is far from acceptable.. so sorry I don’t take one word of what I said bro. And 1/2 batch should be treated as 3/4 batch they are customers
@scottsum1319
@scottsum1319 2 года назад
Bro I'm sure alot of KS fanbois won't be happy with what you say. To be fair, its does take a while to get used to a new & very different wheel. Pedal height is a personal preference so I leave it as not a fault. Otherwise, ya KS treats us, their paying customers as ̶g̶u̶i̶n̶e̶a̶ ̶p̶i̶g̶s̶ test pilots. Happened with the s18 & now its happening again. I get it but ppl will feel butt hurt for pre ordering 1st & maybe 2nd+ batch. Thanks for being honest.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
In this case the height is more than just a preference since in the normal position you struggle even more to break because the wheel doesn’t want to curve so you can’t kick to the side to break (and the breaks are already really bad) and beside that when the wheel wants to curve the tire lose the grip so the passage of weight is to brutal passing from 8 to 80 and making riders crash with the s22
@clutchitup8565
@clutchitup8565 Год назад
These things cost so much money but so many problems my god its starting to turn me off from euc
@MADpack
@MADpack Год назад
Do you own one already
@clutchitup8565
@clutchitup8565 Год назад
@@MADpack not yet
@MADpack
@MADpack Год назад
So don’t give up you just have to accept that you will have eventually something to repair like you will have on a car
@clutchitup8565
@clutchitup8565 Год назад
@@MADpack and from crash videos Holy crap 4k $ euc crash they look totaled lol 😆
@MADpack
@MADpack Год назад
Is rare that you have a crash if you know what you are doing
@skiddysm
@skiddysm 2 года назад
Not worth the price hopefully they fix shit
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Agree will not spend my money on it
@skiddysm
@skiddysm 2 года назад
@@MADpack I still bought it though
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 2 года назад
"Do I recommend? No." Me: *preorders a third*
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Happy for you man the money is yours In the end of the day your call that is your end decision.
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 2 года назад
@@MADpack the simple fact is that there isn't another wheel design that can hold up to me and my terrain and I want to have different tires on my rides. I'm all out on gas and all in on EV. I've got a couple tadpoles I'm upgrading to CVT/belt/mid drive as well as my fat tad is getting suspension upgrades because I keep breaking it. ;-) I would recommend The Eagle for NOBODY unless you're doing trail riding ONLY. Which is what I do (I live about 25-30 minutes from Brown's Camp OHV park). After the second time I got hit road riding, I sold all my road stuff and went trail only (that was back in probably 1996). I have one dirt bike left and it's also for sale, but people are afraid of it because it's a bored out and overbuilt apex predator and they have trouble staying on it. I can't in all honestly preorder a third until I sell that machine - and by selling my last gas machine I also get to get rid of all the oil, lube, cans, rags, etcetera and replace it with nice clean power packs and energy harvesters plus some extra space for more refreshments...or MORE WHEELS! I have a V10F that I use a little but I really really don't like riding anywhere near main roads, much less on them. I have a V12 NIB that if I can flip that for most of what I paid for it and get my last gas ride sold, then I can fund the third wheel. I'm not going to buy three different ones because if there's a flaw then I can fix it in all three and be done with it. I'm going to have to do work on ANY wheel I get, so the diversity of having three suspension wheels IMO is far outstripped by being able to do upgrades to all my trail rides at once, if need be.
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 2 года назад
@@MADpack Also I couldn't have made most of my decisions in an educated way without all the content and demos enthusiasts such as yourself take the time and effort to put up. Most people don't realize that even if someone is throwing up raw video it's still a time sink, and if it's quality content with decent production, well that's not magic either and often takes more time than shooting the footage itself.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I’m happy for you and the important is that you are happy with your choices. Like I said you know your needs and if what I said is relevant or not for you. That’s not my job is your decision and call. I have to say that im jealous that you live so much in the middle of no where since I love nature. Enjoy it and be safe
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 2 года назад
@@MADpack Yes I just didn't want to seem like I was being too flippant but there is a definite reason for something like the S22 to exist. In all fairness, I kind of wish it had *less* battery pack because 10 miles of trail is already a lot of work and most people (including me) will need a break long before that. I hope to get some footage up and some streams of events here - there was a lot of bad hype about Oregon a couple years back and I'd like more people to visit, once everyone can visit - it's open here right now. The mask mandates were lifted over a month ago and most places are back open for business; concerts and festivals are back on for summer 2022. The whole Oregon coast is public property, for instance (yes, you can drive on it pretty much wherever you want). Waterways up to the high watermark are protected for public right of way and in most cases you can actually free camp in unimproved areas for a few nights up to 2 weeks (legally). There is plenty of city and urban areas to play in, I just don't like getting hit while riding. Portland International Raceway rents time and facilities to enthusiast groups so people can bring their own cars and motorcycles; there is also motocross every Thursday for the past like 20 years - I hope to get some laps in between events to show people where EUC tech is going and can go. I do look forward to riding the stairs in my town here, there are thousands of them everywhere, they're nearly all stone or cement, and it will take days if not weeks to document them all (by riding them). If I can get enough people interested then we can probably get some bigger events in some great venues going on, maybe even some that can span a few days (again, we have plenty of camping, improved and unimproved). I'm especially interested in seeing how EUC races will go on clay flat tracks, which there are at least 10 left in the state IIRC.
@thelonelyshredda475
@thelonelyshredda475 2 года назад
v12 HT it is then 😆
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I can’t wait to get mine to review man
@thelonelyshredda475
@thelonelyshredda475 2 года назад
@@MADpack I'm looking forward to it. I found a local supplier that may be getting some soon!! So I'm busy trying to get money together so I can get one :)
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
You will love it im sure today I restarted riding my v12 I forgot how easy is to do everything on it is effortless
@thelonelyshredda475
@thelonelyshredda475 2 года назад
@@MADpack That's awesome!!! I'm glad you are still enjoying it even after trying some newer wheels. I wonder sometimes why people don't have videos like "hey this new wheel is good but here's this normal everyday thing it struggles with" like lots of videos now are quite structured and rigid. Really appreciate videos like yours with honest views 😊
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Yeah man that’s my focus on the channel I don’t have any guide line for talking about a wheel I just talk to the camera like if we were talking together… also started to film at this bench so you guys can find me more approachable than when I used to film on the studio …
@Nautical33
@Nautical33 2 года назад
I think this wheel is very good ,as a prototype there are things wrong with it. But test riding it it an amazing off roader we have changed the tyre and now it ride perfect!!! So once kingsong make all the the changes it will rock . I don't need a wheel that goes 50mph ,I don't need to be looking at the screen ,everything is done for a reason on this wheel you just have to get used to it !!!! Plus the suspension is amazing unlike any other.. this system is easy to keep clean you just have to know how to do it...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
So how you make sure that where you’d wheel goes up and down it doesn’t get dirty? So the screen on our ass is for what bro? What’s the reason behind that? The lack of breaking on this wheel what is the reason behind? And by the way how long you used ride with the s22? Because I use it for almost 2 months so I believe I had more than time enough to to get used to it since I basically only ride it during this time
@Nautical33
@Nautical33 2 года назад
@@MADpack yo dude ,mad respect, it s that I think this wheel tics all the boxes ,But !! It does have issues which you have mentioned and need to be resolved before release...
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
But they have already sent them away for distributors so they will no change big thing
@sanfrancisco49ers74
@sanfrancisco49ers74 2 года назад
The sadness about comparison of the Kingsong S20/22 to the Begode Master and other wannabee unicycles is that they all have followed after the leader and imitated their inovation and progress. There is nothing like the original. All the rest can improve upon the original, but none can replace it.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Are you talking about the inmotion v11 since it was the first electric unicycle with suspension? :)
@ImamHartono.17e
@ImamHartono.17e 10 месяцев назад
always hear western people insinuating that EUCs made in China are of rubbish quality, if that's the case, why not ask western companies to make EUC that can satisfy your desires as a westerner? and we will know which product is the best in quality and price in a competitive market
@MADpack
@MADpack 10 месяцев назад
Your comment is a bit ridiculous I have great electric unicycles made by Chinese companies like InMotion wheels easy but if a wheel is rubbish design like the s22 the wheel that have exploded like we all know and after 300km start rusting easy… the Chinese market sell there wheels to our market is normal that you see reviews from us have a great day my Chinese friend :)
@azn8ball
@azn8ball 2 года назад
Take out the radio noise in your videos, they get pretty annoying. No point in having them sound in every minute.
@valherru
@valherru 2 года назад
The title is quite misleading isn't it? 🙂 I guess you reviewed Kingsong S20 pre-production sample. Not Kingsong S22 as nobody really know how what that one will be like..
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
No bro the s22 is a software change from the version 2.17 (fire version) and after fire 2.19. When you turn on the wheel it even say s22. If you think the opposite check other reviewers that have the wheel like bonheur sur Seine and you will get the same answer :) hugs
@valherru
@valherru 2 года назад
@@MADpack lol, really? Can you imagine some review od Tesla model 3 where they upload software from model X and review it as a new cheap of model X that has not been even released yet and call it a day? :D Nobody has the production wheel yet so nobody knows what all changes they will make. Including materials and even looks like ewheels will push them to change accu from LG M50LT to Samsung 40T what is very significant upgrade. So I think that you just released review to something you've never even seen :)
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Man whatever you want go and see other reviews go in forums and get informed turn on a s20 with new software update and is called now s22… but do you think that better battery will solve the suspension issues? Or the unbalance issues? Or the lack of breaking? Or even that I forgot to show after 300km a motor with motor issues (parts loose inside)? It was not me that I put out the software version 2.19 and changed the name to s22 my friend. I agree with you until the part of the Tesla the rest like i said wasn’t me that I release a new software and decided to change the name to s22… if kingsong wants they can after send a final version and I will be here to test it again like inmotion have done with the v12hs … more than happy to get it and test it if they want
@Sock66
@Sock66 2 года назад
CHUCH OF BENNNNNNNNNNNCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |=======
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
This bench one day I take it at home ahahahahah
@Sock66
@Sock66 2 года назад
@@MADpack grab a decent saws all and ill bring my van loooooool
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Bring since I don’t have a carrrrr let’s do it agahahahahahah
@BabbittdaWabbitt
@BabbittdaWabbitt 2 года назад
Let’s face it, they are ALL just so much junk from Jina. But they are the most fun junk EVerrrr….!
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Sorry I didn’t understand your message
@BabbittdaWabbitt
@BabbittdaWabbitt 2 года назад
@@MADpack All EUC’s are made in China. Chinese manufacturing leaves much to be desired in the way of quality. But I can’t buy an euc made in Germany. So, I buy Chinese euc because I love to ride EUC’s. That’s all.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
Inmotion per example make good wheels they have problems also but there quality is superior
@DavidDubord
@DavidDubord 2 года назад
Seriously, this is the best worst review of the prototype pre-prod s20! 🤣 The best worst design. The best worst suspension. The best worst pads. The best worst trolley. The best worst pedals. The best worst light. The best worst kill switch. The best worst tire. Hilarious
@legyroquoi
@legyroquoi 2 года назад
the new wheels are weird. kingsong and Gotways playing who will be the strongest, ending with an unready s20 and a performant but shitty looking Master. I think I will pass on a new wheel this summer and wait for the v13
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I’m like you waiting to see what inmotion have to offer us this summer
@koliby
@koliby 2 года назад
WHY are you so late with your review ? S20 has been here for testing since February. Now, it's a little bit late, don't you think ?
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I get the wheels why I can get if you think is too late hopefully you have much more options to see
@Curtish8892H
@Curtish8892H 2 года назад
Usually I look for a silver lining but man, as an influencer you need to be better than this. Do not review the product if you hate the manufacture that much unless you admit you are working for its competitors. It is dangerous because you clipped a pedal....what are you talking about......as anyone that rides MTB trails would know that clipping a pedal is a normal thing. (the better you get the less you clip). All the changes you had to make wheel better are in the design of the wheel except the power pads (I am sure most influencer are making some money from selling after market accessories, and that is the ok). How many wheels are on the market that can give you this kind of customization. ZERO Is it not true that any wheel with a fully charged battery will cut out if there is to much regeneration from braking? It would be more beneficial to the community if influencers are less bias. It isn't long ago (year or less) were all the manufactures were using wood screw in the plastic bodies, wires all loose and getting caught or cut by plastic parts, spark when plugging in, and so many more issues. I would like to see Inmotion, Begoda and King Song produce better EUC but they cannot do this if they stop making EUC. I am assuming that InMotion and KS make other product other than EUCs, so for them it may not be a big deal if the discontinue their EUCs (Segway). So we could be left with one company and that does not look like a bright future. Niche market....big picture....more competition....better product....more users....lower prices.....more accessories.....more fun.
@MADpack
@MADpack 2 года назад
I don’t work for anybody because for that someone should pay me. First of all also I used to work with kingsong that was the first company to have me on board on EUCs but they didn’t like how honest I was.. If I was bias I will just say that I hate or this wheel is better. If I was bias I would say that inmotion is my favourite wheel of the year since they send me there wheels but until now for 2022 my favourite release is the begode hero. Nobody pay me to say a thing the moment that a company ask me for that I’m out… by the way when I worked with ks they offer me a ks s18 to don’t release content but my answer was no. Before you say you own a ks so they give you that was my distributor in Europe that send me one (I’m talking of myewheel) Also as an influencer I have all the interest to say that all wheels are good so I can sell some units of does wheels… About the power pads first company that I got to work with was Clark pads and I was not really impressed go and see… and yes I get comissions with pads (around $5 per set) but I receive 5% per wheel so what you think is more interesting for me to give a good review? To the s22 or to a power pad? I’m not a guy that do this for money I have 2 other jobs to put money at home I do this for passion so before you call me bias I recommend you to be a regular viewer so you can see how brutal I am on my reviews even working with the companies.
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