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Excerpts from Neil Kinnock's speech to the 1985 Labour Party Conference in Bournemouth, with corrected audio.
Full transcript: www.britishpoli...
Video courtesy of BBC/MailOnline/Getty Images/ITN Archive but with secondary audio channel removed for clarity of speech. For education purposes only - no copyright infringement intended.
"We want to honour our undertakings in full in every area of policy. We want to say what we mean and mean what we say. We want to keep our promises, and because we want to do that it is essential that we don’t make false promises.
I want to respond to many of those calls, in practice - not in words, but in actions. But there is of course a pre-condition to honouring those or any other undertaking that we give. That pre-condition is unavoidable, total and insurmountable, and it is a pre-condition that in this movement we do not want to surmount. It is the pre-condition that we win a general election.
There are some in our movement who, when I say that we must reach out in that fashion, accuse me of an obsession with electoral politics;
I say to them and I say to everybody else, and I mean it from the depths of my soul: there is no need to compromise values, there is no need in this task to surrender our socialism, there is no need to abandon or even try to hide any of our principles, but there is an implacable need to win and there is an equal need for us to understand that we address an electorate which is sceptical, an electorate which needs convincing, a British public who want to know that our idealism is not lunacy, our realism is not timidity, our eagerness is not extremism, a British public who want to know that our carefulness too is not nervousness.
I remind you, every one of you, of something that every single one of you said in the desperate days before June 9, 1983. You said to each other on the streets, you said to each other in the cars rushing round, you said to each other in the committee rooms: elections are not won in weeks, they are won in years. (Applause) That is what you said to each other. That is what you have got to remember: not in future weeks or future years; this year, this week, this Conference, now - this is where we start winning elections, not waiting until the returning officer is ready.
Fourthly, I shall tell you again what you know. Because you are from the people, because you are of the people, because you live with the same realities as everybody else lives with, implausible promises don’t win victories. I’ll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, out-dated, mis-placed, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end up in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers. (Applause)
I am telling you, no matter how entertaining, how fulfilling to short-term egos - (Continuing applause) - you can’t play politics with people’s jobs and with people’s services or with their homes. (Applause and some boos)
Comrades, the voice of the people - not the people here; the voice of the real people with real needs - is louder than all the boos that can be assembled. Understand that, please, comrades. In your socialism, in your commitment to those people, understand it. The people will not, cannot, abide posturing. They cannot respect the gesture-generals or the tendency-tacticians.
Comrades, it seems to me lately that some of our number become like latter-day public school-boys. It seems it matters not whether you won or lost, but how you played the game. (Applause) We cannot take that inspiration from Rudyard Kipling. (Continuing applause)
I say to you in complete honesty, because this is the movement that I belong to, that I owe this party everything I have got - not the job, not being leader of the Labour Party, but every life chance that I have had since the time I was a child: (Applause) the life chance of a comfortable home, with working parents, people who had jobs; the life chance of moving out of a pest and damp-infested set of rooms into a decent home, built by a Labour council under a Labour Government; the life chance of an education that went on for as long as I wanted to take it. Me and millions of others of my generation got all their chances from this movement. (Applause)
We have got to win, not for our sakes, but really, truly to deliver the British people from evil. Let’s do it. (Standing ovation)"

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@christopherlane2552
@christopherlane2552 3 года назад
The roar of relief from the crowd. At last we were hearing the truth
@sunseeker9581
@sunseeker9581 2 месяца назад
A red tory
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 2 года назад
"I have always been of the opinion that unpopularity earned by doing what is right is not unpopularity at all, but glory." *-- Marcus Tullis Cicero, Letters. 60 B.C.*
@20quid
@20quid 4 месяца назад
Cicero failed to stop his democracy from sliding into dictatorship. Being "right" is not more important that winning; you can only do right if you're the one holding office.
@mitch2620
@mitch2620 2 месяца назад
@@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 Hitler said that too.
@opera1dan2
@opera1dan2 2 года назад
What a star. An honest and honourable man who would have made a wonderful pm
@gregjones-x8c
@gregjones-x8c 2 месяца назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@AnthonyMcCaul-c9g
@AnthonyMcCaul-c9g 2 месяца назад
​@@gregjones-x8cBit of a smart a@#e, are you now?
@christopherlane2552
@christopherlane2552 3 года назад
Historical speech. Foot and Castle applauding at the end if you notice. Labour's recovery from the 83 disaster began
@MrGranfield
@MrGranfield 3 года назад
And Dennis Skinner not applauding.
@AjayESharma
@AjayESharma 3 года назад
they lost two elections after this, second one to john major
@Irishtradchannel
@Irishtradchannel 3 года назад
@@AjayESharma It was ground breaking for Labour. Aiming to be in Govt. Aiming to be in power, to effect change. Very few in Lab are interested in Govt or responsibility.
@veggie42
@veggie42 2 года назад
The irony of Corbyn and Rayner now. Starmer Kinnock/major
@jacobite2353
@jacobite2353 10 месяцев назад
Tbf it wouldn't have been such a disaster if the right hadn't split, the socdems should've stayed in Labour then 1983 would be little more than a normal defeat.
@marshlightning
@marshlightning 3 года назад
I have always been a Tory yet I thought this one of the best speeches I ever heard. I was listening to it whilst doing some artwork on a table in my parents home. Neil came across so genuine and commanding. Hatton and the rest of the low life booing him. I didn't agree with his policies but as a man and politician I think he was 100% decent and genuine. The most likeable leader the Labour Party ever had!
@martonk
@martonk 3 года назад
Agreed completely
@davidgroom9667
@davidgroom9667 3 года назад
How can you be a Tory when you think he is decent and genuine?
@Matt-cz6ti
@Matt-cz6ti 3 года назад
@@davidgroom9667 Because you can like someone even if you disagree with their politics
@davidgroom9667
@davidgroom9667 3 года назад
@@Matt-cz6ti How can you disagree with his politics?
@baronmeduse
@baronmeduse 3 года назад
Being a Tory is why you liked it.
@JonYuill
@JonYuill 3 года назад
One of the best PMs we never had.
@ianedmonds9191
@ianedmonds9191 2 года назад
We really missed out. He felt like a shoe in at the time. I woke the next day confused and bummed. My girlfriend was almost suicidal. Bad times. He was so much the better choice. Luv and Peace.
@Boomboom-xm5su
@Boomboom-xm5su 2 года назад
A weak man who tossed aside his principles and beliefs in the quest for power. Britons contrasted him with the conviction politics of Thatcher. Add to this the fact that whilst he may have been a great orator, as a man in a position of power he would have been a disaster. The public later watched the Sheffield Rally and knew he was not a serious option for government.
@stefanufer608
@stefanufer608 Год назад
Bollocks
@stefanufer608
@stefanufer608 Год назад
@@Boomboom-xm5su The shouting in this amateurish oration shows his lack of control over his own party. Not to mention the "Citizen Smith" speak of "comrades"
@eightiesmusic1984
@eightiesmusic1984 Год назад
@@Boomboom-xm5su You clearly do not know what you are talking about. He would have been a competent PM. Read the chapter in Steve Richards' book about Prime Ministers we never had. The Sheffield Rally was praised at the time- it is only afterwards that retrospective criticism has been applied. It made no difference at all to the result. In fact, the election was lost earlier in the year due to the Tories lies about Labour's tax plans under John Smith's Shadow Budget. The average family would have been better off in truth but Tory propaganda worked, as it usually does.
@MrGranfield
@MrGranfield 3 года назад
Kinnock was a brave man. A great speech.
@andrewh5457
@andrewh5457 3 года назад
Now he's a multi millionaire socialist.
@MrGranfield
@MrGranfield 3 года назад
@@andrewh5457 I am sure there are some poor Torys about.
@paddystrongjaw9995
@paddystrongjaw9995 3 года назад
@@MrGranfield a poor Conservative isn’t nearly as much of a contradiction as a champagne socialist
@baronmeduse
@baronmeduse 3 года назад
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Point is you dunce he sold out and was only champagne...no socialism involved.
@paul1979uk
@paul1979uk 2 года назад
@@andrewh5457 You can be wealthy and have socialist ideas.
@jintsfan
@jintsfan 3 года назад
Kinnock made Labour electable. And the speechwriter was the man sitting behind him, almost embarrassed by the applause - MANDELSON.
@opera1dan2
@opera1dan2 2 года назад
Kinnock wrote the speech
@jintsfan
@jintsfan 2 года назад
@@opera1dan2 Rubbish. Mandelson’s fingerprints were all over it.
@opera1dan2
@opera1dan2 2 года назад
@@jintsfan I wouldn’t care if they were but in this case Kinnock wrote it.
@lenwilcock3937
@lenwilcock3937 Год назад
The man sitting behind him was Denis Skinner. Not embarrassed but hacked off as he was very much of the militant left.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
The Tories made themselves unelectable.
@PaulMJohnson
@PaulMJohnson 3 года назад
That's as good a political speech as there has been in my lifetime. Absolutely superb.
@jbmuggins8815
@jbmuggins8815 Год назад
Utterly magnificent. Sadly, he failed at every turn - leaving us in the sorry and disgusting state we now find ourselves. Tragic also that he managed to shed virtually every principle he once held.
@besserman1
@besserman1 11 месяцев назад
@@jbmuggins8815 Pretended to hold
@stephenholmes1036
@stephenholmes1036 10 месяцев назад
I agree
@besserman1
@besserman1 10 месяцев назад
@@stephenholmes1036 With whom?
@badgermcbadgerson9984
@badgermcbadgerson9984 3 года назад
We can only dream of having politicians like this today. What we have is absolute dross and a reserve team for a debating club.
@jamesluby6705
@jamesluby6705 2 года назад
It took real guts, this should be shown to USA, just as a reminder of what real political courage looks like...
@sunseeker9581
@sunseeker9581 2 месяца назад
He lost. He was a flop
@iskye07
@iskye07 2 месяца назад
Kinnock was a gutless idiot who paved the way for Labour's permissive attitude towards the right. He won nothing, and achieved nothing.
@Tony-h7b4p
@Tony-h7b4p 2 месяца назад
An American politician did see this speech and used parts of it for his own campaign.
@nigel4776
@nigel4776 3 года назад
If only Starmer had half the charisma and passion as Kinnock
@andrewh5457
@andrewh5457 3 года назад
And greed.
@feolender2938
@feolender2938 3 года назад
Yeah? What then? Socialism?
@nigel4776
@nigel4776 3 года назад
@@feolender2938 Why not? What's wrong with that? Eh?
@feolender2938
@feolender2938 3 года назад
@@nigel4776 sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend.
@nigel4776
@nigel4776 3 года назад
@@feolender2938 that's when you start spending rich people's money
@bunnygarden215
@bunnygarden215 5 месяцев назад
He spoke from the heart, & knew labour HAD to be electable
@sunseeker9581
@sunseeker9581 2 месяца назад
He lost. He failed
@Jackcantsleepful
@Jackcantsleepful 2 месяца назад
Twice. ​@@sunseeker9581
@Mojo1701
@Mojo1701 2 месяца назад
@@sunseeker9581dude you’re in every comment 😂😂
@sunseeker9581
@sunseeker9581 2 месяца назад
@@Mojo1701 too many kinnock fan boys who should be in the lib dems
@nunomartins4265
@nunomartins4265 2 месяца назад
by turning into tory lite, congrats
@rg5107
@rg5107 3 года назад
He wasn’t perfect but a brutally brilliant attack on Militant at the time and a message to the modern generation that if you want to effect change you have to have passion in your conviction and mobilise the masses , there’s no point whinging from the sidelines.
@baronmeduse
@baronmeduse 3 года назад
True, you can always sell out on your values and capitulate to thatchernomics. Cue 1997 and the hollow landslide warming the seat for Cameron-Clegg.
@paul1979uk
@paul1979uk Год назад
@@baronmeduse So Blair and Brown did no good at all?
@baronmeduse
@baronmeduse Год назад
@@paul1979uk I'm not saying the aims were bad, but they threw in their lot with monetarism as 'can't beat 'em, join 'em, strategy and somehow hoped it wouldn't turn out the same. Brown essentially aimed to 'reassure business' or Thatcherite voters that he could be as fiscally 'rectitudinous' as the previous Tories, whilst offering better outcomes.
@rg5107
@rg5107 Год назад
@@baronmeduse I think your perhaps a little too cynical , this was a clear attack on militant at the time , and his overarching point was the left had no future in small splinter groups whose main aims appeared to be to oppose everything and stand for nothing. For his faults Kinnock understood if he you are going to enact change you can’t do it in the form of pressure groups you have to win popular support to earn the right to your politics . His policies were not Blairite or Thatcherite he just never had the chance to bring them to bear . And let’s be fair John Smith inherited a party that was highly electable but still stood true to the politics of the British labour movement that its founding fathers would have been proud of , sadly he never had the opportunities to see them through.
@baronmeduse
@baronmeduse Год назад
@@rg5107 That's not true to history. It's already recorded that Kinnock succumbed to monetarist cant as so many did and have. In fact exactly the same trajectory as Blair and co (whom he supported 100%). And which effected no change worth talking about. It merely laid the foundations for future trouble. As Benn said, Kinnock gave up all his beliefs aiming for office with the result that no-one believed a bloody word he said afterwards. You can't build a Labour govt on Thatchernomics (monetarism/New Monetary Consensus/neoliberalism). Current Labour - Kinnock's heirs - still haven't learned this. Too busy telling fairy stories to gain middle class votes instead of explaining why the position is unworkable.
@theherdmeister9928
@theherdmeister9928 2 года назад
A truly great orator is a fine thing to behold. Shame we ain't got none left
@seaniek9175
@seaniek9175 3 месяца назад
Classic speech and none better than the line of public school boys and how u played the game of socialism more important than winning or losing.
@stephenholmes1036
@stephenholmes1036 2 месяца назад
I'm an independent who opposed Kinnock on the European Union, But this speech was needed and was one of the best I've heard. I respected Joan Maynard and Dennis Skinner but they got this wrong about militant
@andrewrose7800
@andrewrose7800 2 месяца назад
Kinnock's best moment. All down hill from there I'm afraid...because of him.
@edmundkockenlocker4672
@edmundkockenlocker4672 2 года назад
Whatever you think of Neil Kinnock, at least he lived in the real world, which is more than could be said of some others in the Labour Party, then or now.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 Год назад
Kissinger is also a realist. Not a great company
@niallgannon1452
@niallgannon1452 Год назад
What real world lol? The real world this new Labour built? A world of austerity, homeless and poverty. How "realistic" of him
@edmundkockenlocker4672
@edmundkockenlocker4672 Год назад
@niallgannon1452 So how's that socialism thing going for you then? Seen any evidence of the British people voting for it in the past 45 years?
@haydoncooper3744
@haydoncooper3744 4 месяца назад
The voice of the people is drowned out by those who are in power. He was right about many things.
@iestynjohn6057
@iestynjohn6057 4 месяца назад
Such powerful oratory and vision. If only we had some of this today.
@JoeLisle
@JoeLisle 3 года назад
As a young labour voter, I wish Sir Kier was bit like neil kinnock, telling the far left how it is in the Labour Party!
@emilewilmar4919
@emilewilmar4919 3 года назад
so you want an impotent leader who mounted no challenge to the tory's. Oppose the tory's in words only but offer a slightly less harmful platform; and expell the grassroots left who campaign directly against the torys policies (in this case the anti-poll tax movement, which prior to the millitant the kinnock labour party didnt oppose)
@npe1
@npe1 3 года назад
@@emilewilmar4919 "the grassroots left who campaign" - don't talk nonsense. As a Labour Party member of 40 years standing I've yet to see this "grassroots left" coming out at election time to knock on doors or deliver leaflets, they think elections are won by haranguing members of the public with megaphones at shopping centres or by going on demonstrations. Over my 40 years membership I've hardly ever seen this so-called grassroots left get off their arses and do some real campaign work.
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 3 года назад
@JoeyLisle You mean the same Neil Kinnock who won 30.8% in 1987 and 34.4% in 1992, with a falling party membership? As opposed to Jeremy Corbyn's 40% in 2017, who increased Labour's membership from 200,000 to 600,000? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_United_Kingdom_general_election en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_Kingdom_general_election
@npe1
@npe1 3 года назад
@@politicalphilosophy-thegre3894 Ah yes but the vast majority of those new members under Corbyn were entryists and Trots - the kind of people we don't want and who will hopefully be weeded out and expelled under Starmer. Now where did I put my ice pick.
@willsupremecommander
@willsupremecommander 3 года назад
The Hindenburg disasters was also quite the spectacle. Don't think I'd wish to be inside it at the time...
@joestewart-paul7181
@joestewart-paul7181 3 года назад
What a speech 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@MrGranfield
@MrGranfield 3 года назад
I see Dennis Skinner and Joan Maynard pretending to be busy to avoid applauding.
@Gary_1992
@Gary_1992 2 месяца назад
Every time he spoke in parliament, Thatcher sat him down & put him in his place
@officialbeans
@officialbeans Год назад
is there a video anywhere of the entire speech?
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Strong leadership Britain deserves
@jamessteel9016
@jamessteel9016 Год назад
Kinnock would’ve been a great PM
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
John Smith is the man who could have delivered this country out of this financial mess
@Dusty2feathers
@Dusty2feathers 4 месяца назад
That is what my dear late Dad said, but then we got Blair and brown who catastrophically nearly bankrupted Britain
@michaelclayton960
@michaelclayton960 2 месяца назад
@@Dusty2feathers The financial mess spilled out 14 years after John Smith's death. Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling had a rescue plan that would have clawed us back from the consequences of the global crash. If you think that Brown bankrupted Britain then you have let someone else do your homeork.
@YouTubemessedupmyhandle
@YouTubemessedupmyhandle 2 месяца назад
@@Dusty2feathersthe global financial crash that started in the US did that.
@johnrider5701
@johnrider5701 3 месяца назад
He made The Labour party face up to the truth. And the truth was it HAD to change or die.
@richardsharpe2966
@richardsharpe2966 2 года назад
I've never been a massive Neil Kinnock fan but he did stick the boot into the milliant left a great speach
@eightiesmusic1984
@eightiesmusic1984 Год назад
What is a speach?
@vincentsmit1935
@vincentsmit1935 11 месяцев назад
Succulent Peach
@margaretgladwell1371
@margaretgladwell1371 3 года назад
The sad thing is the party didn’t learn and that’s why the party is in the same mess again. Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It saddens me.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
Let me guess: you're one of those who believes the nonsense about 'long Corbyn'.
@YouTubemessedupmyhandle
@YouTubemessedupmyhandle 2 месяца назад
@@davidparry5310your man lost 5 & 8 years ago. Move on.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 2 месяца назад
@@RU-vidmessedupmyhandle 8 years ago? I don't recall there being a general election in 2016.
@georgeiii2998
@georgeiii2998 Год назад
Brilliant speech
@rafflesxyz4800
@rafflesxyz4800 3 года назад
That was a superb speech!
@ott1186
@ott1186 3 года назад
No wonder Joe Biden stole his speech back in the day!
@vindolanda6974
@vindolanda6974 9 дней назад
Who is the young guy yelling at 2.50?
@genesis1765
@genesis1765 3 года назад
In power you make change
@keir92
@keir92 3 года назад
And if you have to leave all the good things behind to get here, you’ve failed
@MrGoneTroppo
@MrGoneTroppo 3 года назад
Both Glenys and Deidre Barlow sitting behind him agree with every word
@manbearpig7521
@manbearpig7521 Год назад
😂😂😂
@benjamincowling5772
@benjamincowling5772 Год назад
Dandy Nicholls also.
@californiaslastgasp6847
@californiaslastgasp6847 Год назад
Because Glenys probably wrote it.
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Privatisation of council contracts is millitant
@PaulHussey01
@PaulHussey01 2 года назад
This man as much as anyone was responsible for the landslide election winning New Labour machine. He was a giant of politics unlucky enough to be welsh in an Electoral system dominated by little England. Without Kinnock there’s be no John smith and therefore no Blair. Pls don’t embarrass yourself by mentioning Iraq’s that had nothing to to with Kinnock. The new hospitals, schools (the astonishingly successful and cost effective new start), minimum wage etc we’re all Kinnock’s embryos. But for English prejudice (and I’m more English than anything else) he could have been the best prime-minister in decades.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
The Tories undermining themselves through in-fighting and corruption-related scandals bears far more responsibility for Labour's '97 win than Blair does.
@eightiesmusic1984
@eightiesmusic1984 Год назад
I agree that anti Welsh prejudice was a problem for Kinnock when he was leader. Little Englanders, mainly in the South, have such a lot to answer for. I too am English, but cannot stand the place for the ways its history has unfolded since 1979 as a laboratory for the neoliberal wrecking ball that has destroyed society. Let's face it, the Tory party is an organised conspiracy in plain sight whose purpose is to protect the rich. It manages to fool the majority ( under FPTP) into voting for it or not supporting moderate, democratic socialism. The public have the system they deserve, dreadful though it is.
@paullinford4510
@paullinford4510 3 месяца назад
The greatest political speech of my lifetime.
@potdog1000
@potdog1000 2 года назад
i remember that day well , he saved the party
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
Bollocks!
@niallgannon1452
@niallgannon1452 Год назад
Saved the party from what? Being an actual opposition to the tories? Lol, what utter shite
@Matt-cz6ti
@Matt-cz6ti 3 года назад
Starmer should take notes and kick out Militant’s successor Momentum
@barneyjames1126
@barneyjames1126 2 месяца назад
He must of read this.
@wormsnake1
@wormsnake1 2 месяца назад
“To deliver the British people from Evil”…powerful statement and one of the greatest speeches ever by a politician on these shores. ❤️.x
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 2 месяца назад
Kinnock betrayed Labour.
@damianbyrne1664
@damianbyrne1664 3 года назад
One of the most important and influential speeches in Labour history - lead the way to New Labour and 3 successive election victories.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
No, Tory in-fighting over Europe and corruption-related scandals is what led to three successive election victories for Labour.
@peterwhent66
@peterwhent66 3 месяца назад
It was Neil Kinnock who paved the way for Tony Blair to win.
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 3 месяца назад
Lord Kinnock began the destruction of Labour.
@helen5153
@helen5153 4 месяца назад
Incredible politican. Listen to him and for God's sake vote Labour and Kier 4th July
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 4 месяца назад
Labour enabled and covered up child abuse.
@Dusty2feathers
@Dusty2feathers 4 месяца назад
Starmer would have been one of those left wing pricks Kinnock loathes
@rw3899
@rw3899 4 месяца назад
Starmer truly is the right man at the right time
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 4 месяца назад
@@rw3899 Starmer is lucky.
@20quid
@20quid 4 месяца назад
Starmer's Labour is not Kinnock's Labour. The Lib Dems have a far more impressive manifesto this time around. I'll vote Labour when they pledge to lift the two-child benefit cap.
@Jackcantsleepful
@Jackcantsleepful 2 месяца назад
He took on militant. He failed to take on the Tories and he was put in the HoL. Despite not winning in 92.
@gnjp8340
@gnjp8340 3 месяца назад
!! Brave , Brilliant , Best Speech Ever by a Labour Leader. Delivered with passion from the heart . Saved Labour from total meltdown. To think he never became Prime Minister .
@Tony-h7b4p
@Tony-h7b4p 2 месяца назад
As a Scouse Labour voters I have to say Kinnock was the best PM we never had. Derek Hatton and his cronies were shitbags who thought they could do whatever they wanted.
@gp1-1234
@gp1-1234 2 месяца назад
What a speech - what a man!
@duncanevans5197
@duncanevans5197 3 года назад
Nice to see a slightly hungover Freddie Murcury listening on at 1:12... labour through and through
@besserman1
@besserman1 2 года назад
Some balls to use the word ‘comrades’
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1 11 месяцев назад
Neil Kinnock is a son of a coal miner and a nurse, he went to a comphrehensive school, to Cardiff University. His career was in worker further education. Compare it to Tony Benn, who was literally born in Westminster and went to a public school, and studied at Oxford. Neil Kinnock had more right to use that word than all of his opponents combined.
@besserman1
@besserman1 11 месяцев назад
@@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1 He sold out the workers. He could have affiliated the Labour Party with the miners. He chose not to. Instead he got a seat in the House of Lords for services rendered to the moneyed classes. Now he is rich
@dhall5785
@dhall5785 3 месяца назад
Bitter little idiots like Bitterman are the reasons labour were unelectable for eons. Another halfwit without a grip of reality
@johndaarteest
@johndaarteest 2 месяца назад
"And the sight of a leader, a Labour leader, having to shout to make himself heard over the bloody ad music".
@GordonHudson
@GordonHudson Год назад
Why do we not get passion like this in politics now?
@eightiesmusic1984
@eightiesmusic1984 Год назад
Because Thatcherite neoliberalism defeated socialism. In the eighties there was still an ideological battle about how society and the economy should be organised. Blair capitulated to Thatcherism accepting her settlement. She described 'new' Labour as her greatest achievement. The triumph of neoliberalism since 1979 has destroyed Britain- the consequences are clear to see all around us- private affluence, public squalor. Kinnock was right in his warnings but the electorate, under FPTP, ignored him. Their folly.
@GordonHudson
@GordonHudson Год назад
@@eightiesmusic1984 That's true, but we also got the professionalisation of politics. We still get people from different work backgrounds in parliament, but the front benches are always people with PPE degrees, who went on the political career ladder in their teens.
@eightiesmusic1984
@eightiesmusic1984 Год назад
@@GordonHudsonThe well trodden path from PPE to special advisor and then Labour seat is part of the problem but the number of MPs from low income backgrounds is miniscule. This is to be expected from the Tories but it is across the board.
@GordonHudson
@GordonHudson Год назад
@@eightiesmusic1984 In Scotland, the leaders of Labour and the SNP went to the same fee paying School, Hutchesons' Grammar School.
@adama-k2710
@adama-k2710 9 месяцев назад
@@eightiesmusic1984the current shadow cabinet would be by far the most working class cabinet in modern history, with a small minority having been to private school and the majority having been to state schools.
@cyboard7493
@cyboard7493 3 года назад
The House of Lords must go - not be reformed, not be replaced, not be reborn in some nominated life-after-death patronage paradise, just closed down, abolished, finished. Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty
@lucastaylor2321
@lucastaylor2321 3 года назад
And what do you do with the upper house? Have an elected senate instead? Westminster system is best with both a upper and lower house.
@jonasmejerpedersen4847
@jonasmejerpedersen4847 4 месяца назад
​@@lucastaylor2321 Australia already has that
@lucastaylor2321
@lucastaylor2321 4 месяца назад
@@jonasmejerpedersen4847 It's a much better system than what we have in Britain I agree. It's astonishing to me that here in the 21st century we still have an unelected House of Lords voting on laws. But I wouldn't stop with abolishing only the Lords.... I'd also reform the Commons and start with getting get rid of this ridiculous PFTP voting system we have.
@stephenholmes1036
@stephenholmes1036 3 месяца назад
Watch the reaction of Joan Maynard and Dennis Skinner at the end of the speech
@nickcountyfan
@nickcountyfan 3 месяца назад
One of the best speeches in Labour's history, had to be said to root out the militant idiots. Tony Blair's 1997 election landslide would never have happened if Neil Kinnock hadn't acted and spoke out.
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 3 месяца назад
Labour had ceased to be socialist when it scrapped Clause IV.
@christopherlane2552
@christopherlane2552 2 года назад
see Michael Foot and Barbara Castle applauding at 6.09 on here
@gladiator3543
@gladiator3543 Месяц назад
Maybe the best speech I’ve ever heard, I keep going back to it.
@smljohnstone
@smljohnstone Месяц назад
Me to
@sunseeker9581
@sunseeker9581 2 месяца назад
And what happened? He lost
@JimJim-kh8rw
@JimJim-kh8rw 11 месяцев назад
Great man 👏
@besserman1
@besserman1 11 месяцев назад
For the Tories
@cameronmartin3616
@cameronmartin3616 3 месяца назад
It is interesting to see who is clapping and who is not.
@martinbailey-xj7hc
@martinbailey-xj7hc 2 месяца назад
That went well. The tories won time after time.
@ArchieFatcackie
@ArchieFatcackie 3 месяца назад
Whatever you think of Kinnock he was an orator of the highest order. You just don’t get this inspiring stuff any more.
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 3 месяца назад
The Welsh Windbag.
@timbird8317
@timbird8317 2 года назад
I had the great pleasure to meet him twice ( once when i was a dodgy little kid) such a nice man.
@meggymoo1010
@meggymoo1010 5 месяцев назад
Kinnock would've been a fantastic PM
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 4 месяца назад
He betrayed the miners.
@meggymoo1010
@meggymoo1010 4 месяца назад
​@@MarkHarrison733They've all betrayed the miners, scargill the worse
@meggymoo1010
@meggymoo1010 4 месяца назад
​@@MarkHarrison733They've all did
@meggymoo1010
@meggymoo1010 4 месяца назад
Scargill was the worse
@FUE4YOU-zb9mf
@FUE4YOU-zb9mf 2 месяца назад
Recovery in full swing. The same would happen 35 years later. Sad for so many British people that they had to learn the lesson twice.
@gregjones-x8c
@gregjones-x8c 2 месяца назад
Socialism was a busted flush by 1979. Labour should have been abolished.
@TheGava4
@TheGava4 3 года назад
02:55 ?? Who was mr grumpy?
@petermckerrow7694
@petermckerrow7694 3 года назад
Eric Heffer, hero of the hard left, who though in my opinion misguided, stuck to its agenda to the end.
@TheGava4
@TheGava4 3 года назад
@@petermckerrow7694 thanks. NEVER heard of him!
@Doubledig
@Doubledig 3 года назад
Eric Heffer MP (Liverpool, Walton). He was Minister of State for Industry when Wilson was PM and shadow posts. Left wing.
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 3 месяца назад
Lord Kinnock had betrayed the miners.
@zacchariaturnbull5322
@zacchariaturnbull5322 2 года назад
I am curious as to why Michael Foot invited Dame Edna Everidge along as his plus-one.
@mikerainham
@mikerainham 2 года назад
He was spot on here and it was quite a surprise to me when Labour lost the 1992 GE.
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
That should kind of tell you that all that witch-hunting of Militant supporters was for nothing, and spare me the bollocks about how Kinnock paved the way for the '97 GE victory. The Tories had made themselves unelectable through in-fighting and corruption-related scandals.
@mikerainham
@mikerainham Год назад
@@davidparry5310 it certainly wasn’t for nothing, in away the narrow tory victory of 1992 was a blessing in disguise for Labour, it led to different tory factions infighting paving the way for an easy Labour win in 1997. Im sure John Smith would have been a greater prime minister but unfortunately it was not to be and Blair mopped up
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
@@mikerainham As we're seeing right now, it isn't impossible for an incumbent party with a huge majority to undermine itself through in-fighting and scandals.
@mikerainham
@mikerainham Год назад
@@davidparry5310 As we say in 1983 it’s impossible for labour to win when it follows hard left socialist ideas, despite 3.2 million unemployed labour lost heavily in 1983. In 2019 labour lost heavily again after its daft second referendum pledge and unfounded ideas like broadband for all. I don’t like the tories much but left win candidates don’t do well
@davidparry5310
@davidparry5310 Год назад
@@mikerainham The reason for both of those defeats is that crises of capitalism always end up benefiting the reactionary right the most.
@benjamineckford1718
@benjamineckford1718 9 месяцев назад
Best PM we never had
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 5 месяцев назад
That was Mosley.
@richardanthony8931
@richardanthony8931 3 года назад
You tell em Neil !!
@pauloneufneufneuf
@pauloneufneufneuf Год назад
Most powerful political speech I've ever heard.
@Soliy87
@Soliy87 2 года назад
And it took another 12 years to get in good job...
@nigelsmith3964
@nigelsmith3964 4 дня назад
A great speech. It's so dissapointing he said the "evil" remark at the end. it undone everything he said in the whole speech. Evil should be reserved for something which is hell-like. Some of the Tory policies at the time were bad, but certainly not evil.
@stuartmcintyre9269
@stuartmcintyre9269 5 месяцев назад
Incredible passion, great speech. 80s politics was the bollocks with him and Maggie going toe toe. Almost 40 years on and compare that to the shit show that heads up the parties of al colours today.
@paulbarker4870
@paulbarker4870 2 года назад
He made that speech with Welsh nonconformist zeal today he is lord Kinnock he had a good job in the EU He forgot to stay by his principles. Mr Skinner did not and has not I don't always agree with Mr Skinner or did but he stood by his convictions
@geoffpoole483
@geoffpoole483 2 месяца назад
Skinner's vision of Labour was unelectable.
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1 3 года назад
Damn good speech.
@James-AlexanderJohnson
@James-AlexanderJohnson Год назад
I miss Old Labour.
@besserman1
@besserman1 2 года назад
I love seeing Eric Hefner walk out
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Starving the miners of jobs and food is millitant
@sratus
@sratus 2 месяца назад
A decent man.
@MarkHarrison733
@MarkHarrison733 2 месяца назад
He betrayed the miners.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 3 года назад
I’m torn about Kinnock. Amazing charisma as shown in this speech and he was right to take on the hard left But there is also the point made by Tony Benn that Kinnock and the Labour Party review from 1987-1992 ended by changing their position on nearly everything they had espoused before (nationalization, unilateral disarmament etc) which had the effect of people not trusting Labour. It was a catch 22.l This is not even taking into consideration his fat cat years with the EU.
@zeddeka
@zeddeka 3 года назад
I'm not sure what you're torn about? Labour's position when kinnock took over was catastrophic. The policies Tony Benn defended were massively unpopular with the public. Kinnock had a stark choice. Either change and actually become relevent to the wider public, or watch Labour die and be replaced by the SDP.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 2 года назад
@@zeddeka the point is to mould popular opinion around policy not just see the latest opinion polls and give up all your principles because of the latest poll
@growinsane9123
@growinsane9123 2 года назад
By changing their position they went on to win 3 general elections. Kinnock spent most of his time in office fighting the militant left and the public just didn't trust the party enough to let them hold the purse strings again. Starmer is having to fight the same demons but he isn't nearly as good an orator as Kinnock and is far less convincing in his style. It seems the quality of politicians of the past were vastly superior to todays, on both sides of the house.
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1
@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1 11 месяцев назад
Neil Kinnock is a son of a coal miner and a nurse, he went to a comphrehensive school, to Cardiff University. His career was in worker further education. Compare it to Tony Benn, who was literally born in Westminster and went to a public school, and studied at Oxford. Tony Benn ought to shut up.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 4 месяца назад
@@LIETUVIS10STUDIO1. So someone that was born and raised in another class (which he can’t help ) can’t be right ? Plus Kinnock has certainly become a very wealthy man
@boulevard14
@boulevard14 4 месяца назад
Oh how the crowd roared
@LifeOfRy
@LifeOfRy Год назад
Steve Coogan brought me to this.
@jackharkins1689
@jackharkins1689 Год назад
I can't hear you mate!
@michaelpastor6901
@michaelpastor6901 3 месяца назад
Without kinnock , there wouldn’t have been a Blair or new labour
@20quid
@20quid 4 месяца назад
Back when Labour actually stood for something.
@lucianopavarotti2843
@lucianopavarotti2843 3 месяца назад
Neil was brave.
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Privatisation public transport is millitant
@GusinLanzarote
@GusinLanzarote Год назад
A powerful speech- on the Nationalist Right today there are too many obsessed with purity spiraling nonsense than actually being pragmatic, being relevant to the Normies & WINNING
@precieuxolivier6890
@precieuxolivier6890 2 года назад
Powerful
@AstonishingSodApe
@AstonishingSodApe Год назад
Steve Coogan brought me here.
@christopherlane2552
@christopherlane2552 10 месяцев назад
Glenys Kinnock RIP
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Millitant is conservative policies look at Britain now
@stuburchett
@stuburchett 4 месяца назад
Hello Elis James 👋
@lyxnick
@lyxnick 2 года назад
Brexit was a far-fetched resolution...
@gg0u1239
@gg0u1239 2 года назад
Liverpool was shat on then. Fair play degsy
@BossySwan
@BossySwan 2 месяца назад
*_well alright_*
@TimesFM4532
@TimesFM4532 Год назад
Should be printed on membership cards
@rhobatbrynjones7374
@rhobatbrynjones7374 Год назад
... and wins.
@oscar6487
@oscar6487 2 года назад
Council housing is safe housing
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Labour leader John Smith Dies, May 1994
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