KISS Ultra FC supposedly the best freestyle FC today. I flew it. 

Thanks mate!!! I hope you will love your perfect JB with ultras in them... But make one analog, you will see OTHER side of ultra. It has also some wows in there. :))))))

Ooohhhhh!!! I love you JB!!! Haha. Thanks so much for the shout out. Glad you liked it brother! Happy Holidays! You can’t kill a Thunder Power! Sounds like that TP killed your tho hahaha!

Definitely my favorite FC out there. And it keeps getting better and better. Alex is a beast of a coder that's for sure!

Awesome flying, Joshua!!! 😃 Phantom's a great guy! Merry Christmas! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Excellent build PhantomFPV! Amazing handling

Clean PID loop. Thanks for sharing. I can't wait to see a kiss build from JB himself. Happy holidays. God bless 🙏👊👊

That was super interesting. Looked pretty dang smooth for just a preset. Now I'm really looking forward to it in your ultimate freestyle build.

Great flight Joshua . Interesting FC, if it's that easy to setup.

Phantom the Man 💪💪💪 Kool hat to nice test ripping it up thanks 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Sick ripping JB! It looked so smooth! A small batch of Kiss Ultras went on sale on Christmas Eve and the website crashed on me 😔! But one day we will have one hopefully. Cheers Buddy, Happy new year 🎉

So good it looks stabilised... I'm impressed.

It's ALL about the Pilot.....Nice flying Joshua!

very cool JB! Glad you are digging it -- this is only the beginning for kiss-ultra. while KISS v2 (and fettec kiss fw) are basically frozen in amber, ULTRA is here to carry the torch for kiss. the improvements will continue!

4:00 - not moving the sticks much. I would guess D-term vibes getting through to motors? ~~~ JB - if you find one, get 2 and I'll send ya $$. I'll put it on the dual FC rig for a close look at the ins and outs. ~~~

Excellent video as always Joshua 👌 👍 👏 😀

Nice to see you trying this man

Happy and Merry to you JB There extreme sports going on in your head which shows in your flying Good to see a crash keeping us all humble. PS if racing was integrated into the larger 3D of freestyle you would likely become a champion.... just saying.

Thank you Joshua, you give very FAIR Review for this Kiss ULTRA,..... ! Thank you for Alex F to make Very Stable Firmware and does not make us a trial and error of the software... Thanks to Krunked too for Preset Tune... too Lazy for me to be Phd just for this Hobby,.....LOL....,... Easy build & Fly Perfecto just it..... !! is the Goal.

You are the Anthony Bourdain of FPV videos. Very calm and relaxing. Ala Bob Ross

I knew it!! I've been telling people if they want Betaflight to fly like KISS most of what you need to do is reducing input/RC filtering DRAMATICALLY. Basically Auto Smoothness Factor of like 1-5 and its amazing how much it starts to fly like KISS.

Looks like a pretty smooth tune. Looks like you are flinging that thing around like a sub 250

Great!!! Waiting for G4 and v2 test !!!! Interesting

Thanks!

What I've learned from flying and watching FPV vids is that it is nearly impossible to tell how a quad flies by watching a video. I've seen JB's vids where he says, 'the latency is almost unflyable', or 'this feels so locked in', or 'this quad feels waaaay too heavy' ... and all the videos look the same. I have no doubt that they feel different, but it's nearly impossible to tell from watching the video. However, the one big variable that you can use to differentiate from watching a video is ... how do the motors sound? And these motors sound great. So yeah, you can have a great flying KISS-based quad. And I'm sure there are Betaflight-based quads that fly better than the one in this video. I guess the point is that it seems like it might be easier to get to 'a great flying quad' with KISS than with Betaflight? But that the reason is probably more due to conservative defaults by the Betaflight devs, more than any real KISS magic? The other concern is that there is a bit of ego involved - Mark Spatz wants to show that he can tune a Betaflight quad to fly as good as (or better than) a KISS-based quad. For me, (in addition to JB's test, which should provide some useful information) I would like to see a test between two quads - one with KISS and one with Betaflight, flashed to defaults and given to a pilot with 1.5 years of experience. He should then set up and get the quads flying good. Then, to test them, have some pilots do blind testing of the two quads to see how they fly. It's very imperfect, but maybe you get some information about which is easier to get flying well? I am not Mark Spatz, and I don't do black-box analysis. I build a pretty solid quad, make the tune a bit more aggressive and I tell myself I've done a great job and just get flying. But my motors do not sound like the ones in the video. (Now, with all of that said, you absolutely _can_ see when a quad is poorly tuned. Propwash, throbbles and being underpowered are very visible in unstabilised footage. And, because I'm familiar with JB's videos, I can assume that the uptilt was a bit higher than JB's normal setup as he appeared to be flying faster than usual. But that's not really interesting information).

“It definitely has a certain feel”!!!! Thank you lord Bardwell! I’ve spent sooo much time trying to explain this to people that literally only fly BF and they say that it’s placebo. But much like you, I’ve flown all firmwares. There is something a bit different, not sure what it is. Perhaps the lack of RC smoothing?

Nice, looking forward to it

YESSSSS kiss ultra!!! I'm a little jealous that you still have Tshirt and shorts weather

My Kiss v2 flies SO damn good, but I still prefer betaflight. I hate the closed source garbage, and I like to be able to fix my own gear if I can, because let's face it - this stuff isn't getting any cheaper so if I can save it all the better. If the MCU goes on a Kiss or Fettec board - there is no replacing the chip and flashing, like with BF. And if your Ultra goes down, good luck getting a new one right now.

Looks nice but you can make betaflight fly this well no problem, and I can't see getting into a FC ecosystem where part availability is so poor. If I can't get the fleet on it, it's not worth it. If I lose an FC and can't replace it for 7 months, it's not worth it. If my betaflight FC I like is out of stock, I can get a random mamba f411 to hold me over. Can't do that with Ultra.

I am super excited for the FC shootout 😁

Way to go phantom for donating to teach JB🤣🤣🤣👊👊😎👍way to rip around JB💪💪💪

For what its worth the motors sounded pretty on point.

Man everytime I saw that wood fence section with the gap I was hoping he'd thread the needle. I get it tho, it's a loaner. I wish I could fly as well as JB.

Could someone please guide me about a little thing plz, I am beginner going to build my first fpv drone. I want a fast and powerful quad and so far I've two motor choices, T-motor pacer 2207.5 1950kv Vs T-motor F80 pro 2200kv 5s. Which one of these two setups will serve better for my top speed goal. And thoughts on a 5s setup?

I like the feel into it Is like 2016 on crack haha Nice flying btw!

Josh been loving ur channel man. Just subbed. Im a noob to the hobby and just got a mantis 85 but was having problems with flight controller 1 Week into flying it as that model has known issues with its flight controller but now my big question is WHAT IS THE BEST 2S MICRO DRONE THAT IS ASSEMBLED AND NOT CRAZY EXPENSIVE REALLY WANT TO STICK WITH 2S EVEN THOUGH IM A NOOBAS I LOVE THE SPEED ANY FEEDBACK WOULD B GREAT HELP AS IM TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION SOON . THANK YOU! AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!

Awesomeness!🔥 I’d love to see you throw a G4 or kiss ultra in your build, and note the difference’s. Just picked up a g4 going to have to give it a shot.👍🏻

happy new year Joshua

The biggest factor for me and gear is can i replace it easily when i break it, kiss is so hard to get you'll feel crushed when you crash it.

Dude I’m a amateur and I was just about to quit on Fettec cause their lack of customer support when finally after two month talking with them that they couldn’t send me a replacement for f7 so they sent me g4 and omg I’m so fed cause it insanely fast like I never seen before the robotic feel in sooooo good! Definitely the n01 fc out there today

which esc did u use man? thanksssss......

Insane freestyle

What esc is running on that build?

Hey I have a problem maybe u can solve it Have a 4 in one esc using 2207 2750kv motors and at 1050 min value they started to twitch(not spin and stop when the value is to low, they spin but they are super sputtery) I know it isn’t a motor problem and when I use the throttle control in betaflight they are super smooth and don’t get hot. I lowered it to 920 and they spun fine but as I throttled up they started to sputter. Also one motor is spinning slightly fater than the others. Any tips? Im not sure if its D value.

good to know about kiss I've always thought they may be better fliers.

Wow nice

"im gonna learn somethin today... maybe" ahahaha every new pilot watching your videos saying the same thing.

thanks! about the FC comparison... well, since you have the G4, start with that! 😂 and I’m not saying this just because I have a G4 to put in an Apex 5”, oh no... 😂

I can tell you that even on stock settings it flies like nothing elze. Recently converted my main quad to kiss ultra and am never going back haha

Is it really different tan mamba mk2 ?

I've never tried kiss I heard it's good And it better be for what it cost Excellent video I think I might try kiss

What’s the deal with new motors or any Fc are any that are much better? do we really notice anything. I flown f4 f7 different brands. All seem similar

Hi Joshua I can’t get the new beta flight configurator to connect to any flight controller I own on win 11 I have tried driver fixer zandag No dice does not find the comport goes to vertual

"gotta turn this hat around like a cool FPV pilot" Damn Bardwell, you takin shots at me bruh? Come at me..... LOL (I do it so I don't have to fight my hair with the goggles)

Beards lookin nice bro

Soooooooo……..put the one you have in to get that review, contact the developer and with your status I’m sure that a review piece will magically show up in your mailbox for the second half of the review! Hey- you have some pull with your absolutely honest reviews, and iffn it’s that good, which it seems like it is, it’s a win-win for all involved. And the new building in your pasture keeps my curiosity raging…cattle barn? Huge chicken coop? Rental apartments for your soon to be announced on site lessons? Yer killing me with your videos, what’s up?

been on the wait list for months now! They ever gonna make more?

definetly kiss is other story! i know it, i fly it"🔥🔥

I'd like to see you testing a FL1 H7.

@ 6:58 - Damnnn JB I was yelling for you to PULL UP.....BAIL OUT.....OUCH! Nice rescue! Did it damage the quad?? Sooooo - we are basing overall performance on Krunked's tuning (which is awesome btw....) ??? How does this lend credo to the FC? I'd say Krunked is the real hero here......

where i can find the presets? nice fc! nice fly!

Has the tune been messed with at all? Just curious. This is very impressive if it's totally default.

Any update? You can readily get your hands on kiss ultras now

man that throttle sounds angry! is it the props?

Old video at this point - but I can't say I've seen the video where you tried the different flight controllers yet?

The grass is always greener in the south 😂😂

G4 FTW lolz love them all

Krunked is Kiss tuner (LOL with my arse) :D

what about the G4?

I might give a lot of the credit to build quality.

The felling absolutely not about kiss... Just try any f405 succex for example and load emuflight on it, feathered pids to 0, and all other useless stuff in the right column on pid tuning tab except iterm relax and I decay. Raise D to about 42-45, and tune P. Tune dynamic rates from freestyle preset, turn off tpa and spa(100), turn off static filters on gyro, set dterm filter to biquad 120-130hz, choose 2pass mixer and turn on throttle linearization. You'll get a perfect quad with no propwash and also it won't sag down on yaw movements. You'll never want betaflight anymore...

where kiss really shines is rates, pids, and overall simplicity. Those are why I fly kiss anyways.

Maaan how did you get one.. I been looking high and low.. siiigh edit... Oh..

Such a nice beard

First air2 s army out

Any news about KISS ultra ? The project closed? Out of stock long time

I'd love to know more about the hardware and what makes it special? What gyro, CPU etc.

looks like a drone that flies to me 🤷🏻‍♂️

The Dji Action footage looks awesome but I hate the Sound that it records…GoPro footage just sounds better 🤌🏼

It looks good, but I am fly the FETTEC G4, and it does the same, feels very different to the F7. But the biggest questions is.... how different is Ultra and G4 in flying? And if you try the G4, you have to use the new Public Beta Firmware.... I am looking forward to these Videos from you, best regards

I have a box of KISS Ultra. Maybe you can convince Alex, but if not... Lmk

It can be the best fc in the world 😀 as u said availability zero…BF you can always find one and get back flying…

How lucky can you get? I would love to fly phantom FPV quad.

Where you buy? Out of stock....

Joshua… you’ve got the kiss Ultra FC. Just screw it in your build and make that video… please. Just wanna know what you think.

YASSS PHANTOM IS PROXYBLAST 🐐👑 😍😍🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻

Does it have a damn osd chip?

the only problem is it very hard to buy.

Wow. If you didn't find issues you wouldn't be doing your job but you had to nitpick in slo mo to find something. I don't fly KISS. Karate was OK for me but not this good without a couple of packs and some blackbox changes. Competition is great because we win. Way to go KISS.

Looks like it’s flying but shit f4 fly great also

Don't watch every video because some of them don't pertain to me,but the ones that do 👍💯👍

Are they afraid to send you one?

More like Rippensburg PA

Kiss=best

Nothing beats flying kiss……. Nothing

So you dont like popo motors?

Lol Kiss still in business ? 🤣

if only all that kiss stuff was opensource.

Come over to the dark side Joshua.......

10 months later and still out of stock everywhere