The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Kevin Wildes react to various NBA free agency moves. For more from The Ringer: Shop: theringer.com/shop Website: theringer.com Twitter: / ringer Facebook: / ringer Instagram: / ringer
@Kodreanu23 forgot the time stamp but when bill kept digging at "why we gotta pretend lebrons not the gm" and wildes had the same smirk he does on FTF when someone calls out LeBron on there
@@Biggaveli413I'm 34 and getting to the WCF definitely means that team was competitive 😅 and to be completely real the Lakers could have beat any team in the west besides Nuggets and Dallas in thr playoffs in my opinion
@@Biggaveli413you mean when they made the WCF last year they weren’t competitive? One of the final four teams, not competing eh, care to elaborate how that works
Draymond is why this is happening to the Warriors. 1. Dray “we won before you, we’ll win after you.” 2. Dray “I want my extension” 3. Dray punch out Poole
Nah they whiffed on their #2 draft pick and decided to keep their kids instead of tracking all of them for real help. Front office has been absolutely atrocious.
I’ll never understand the admiration for him. He’s a lackluster basketball player that was fortunate to land on a club that wants him to run from the ball (on offense)
@@Chalk89 casual fan take if that's what you think of Draymond. His antics are awful, but he's a generational defender and out of any player has the BEST chemistry with Steph
@@brandonyee4119 yes, because he doesn’t have to contribute offensively. It’s really not a difficult concept to comprehend. If he was placed on a team that needed him to be a second scorer - is that team going to be good? Absolutely not. He’s a one-dimensional player. If that offends you, maybe your bias is too strong.
I'll tell you why it's a bummer. It's a bummer because there's something special about a player that plays his entire career with one team. It doesn't happen often and when it does it's special, especially when you won four titles with that team.
Bill Simmons will be talking next year about how Bronny and LeBron played a trick on the NBA to get him to the Lakers. About how Bronny purposely played below his skill level to get to Los Angeles in the second round and how LeBron was playing chess to be the first father and son team ever to win a championship.
"Why didnt they just keep Dillingham?" If they kept the pick they werent drafting Dillingham. Its not like they drafted Dillingham and then said ah good deal lets trade him now. Dillingham is a Klutch client. Spurs not getting in that business.
Idk why they're so upset about it. All these analysts made it very clear that this was a weak draft. And next year is supposed to be much better. Spurs have Atlanta's first round along with their own. On top of Charlotte and Chicago's lottery protected first rounds. They can't keep all these draft picks so why would they invest resources into the 8th pick in a weak draft? Especially after they already got the guy they wanted.
yall are saying Giannis is on the outside looking in because his team had an off year.... The problem is Giannis has missed the last two playoffs. If he is healthy... they will be just fine.
I'd rather have Castle and two future good Minnesota picks than Dillingham and Castle. The Spurs won the draft. Minnesota is happy but Pop has set up the Spurs to create a dynasty.
The West is so wide open. I would rank it as Thunder, Minnesota, Dallas, Denver, Phoenix, Clippers, Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Lakers, Sacremento, Golden State, San Antonio, Utah, Portland. Outside of the top 4, the rest could go any direction.
Warriors are in a better position than most teams you listed only the thunder,nuggets,wolves,dallas,and grizzlies better. Maybe San Antonio as a dark horse.
Such a fan of Wildes, I say a clip on Instagram and now I'm here for the smart entertainment 😂 I have to be a guest on his first show he gets. As the ultimate Ball (Bball Fball) fan
Everyone talks about next year's draft. Build continuity but I wouldn't want leaps in wins hoping to luck up in 25 draft then go hard afterwards. My guess on SAS thinking
This is a great convo w/ these 2 - KW is good on FTF but def has more depth & critical thinking takes w/ BS - this was one of the few hours+ vids I watched straight thru on Utube - good stuff & much appreciated
They did not mention Markkenen to the Warriors. That would change their place in the West. I did not think we would see the day the greatest shooting backcourt in history broke up to play on separate teams. 😢
name me 1 nba dynasty that didn't end ugly with at least one of the main pieces ending up on a team they had no real reason to be on. Jordan on the Wizards, Scottie on the blazers, Tony Parker on the hornets, Wade in chicago, Pierce on the nets. it always ends ugly.
Shaedon, Scoot, Clingan, Deni, Ayton, Walker/Murray/Camara/Rupert, trade Rob Williams, Jerami Grant and Anfernee Simons next year, and the Blazers are gonna be a fun ass team.
God this is so hard to listen to. Comparing signing Chris Paul for 1 year to what the rockets did is crazy. Spurs have 7 picks in 2025. They can trade up for whoever they want. They don’t care where they end up next year, they just want internal improvement.
Agreed. The only logic here is not Chris Paul as a player, it's Chris Paul as a teacher, veteran leadership, showing young players how to make winning plays with brains and not athleticism. For a young group that makes sense because you are right, they don't give an F about wins next year.
Adding PG is nice and all, but the Sixers only real hope for Finals contention is 1) Embiid actually stays healthy for an entire season/post season, and 2) Maxey develops into a full blown SUPERSTAR. Like, first or second team ALL NBA superstar. Tough ask.
Specifically referring to the Steph conversation: At some point some of these superstars need to realise that their legacy of being associated with a single team for most of their career is far more valuable to them (financially and personally) than chasing another ring with another team.
Problem with Russ will always be his scoring. Shoot 7% below league average in TS and take the third most shots on your team, per 100. possessions. Also averages the most turnovers on the team per 100 (4.6). That contributed to the third highest usage rate on the team (25.1%) behind Goerge (26.6%) & Kawhi (25.5%). Can't expect to win games when you let a player as inefficient as he is, get so many opportunities with the ball. If you went ahead and made one of turnovers a true shooting attempts & normalized to the league average 58.0 TS% with Russ's attempts last year. That would account for a three point difference in net rating for those 68 games Westbrook played in. To try and put that difference in perspective. Net rating of Thunder (7.3), Wolves (6.3), Nuggets (5.5), Clippers (3.4), Rockets (0.9), Lakers (0.6). That doesn't even begin to account for the spacing problems of having him on the court with other non shooting bigs. You get that with declining defense. As DPM hasn't viewed Russ as a positive defender, since at least 2021. His raw on/off numbers are somewhat positive (+1.8). So, maybe he gives your team some value in unseen ways. However, could just be noise. And, I don't think the math works or makes sense for Russ to be on your team & still be a legit contender.
I feel like this puts into words why Russ is a net negative player. I don’t watch a ton of NBA anymore but when I watched the Clippers I would see exactly what you described. Russ driving the lane and maybe gets a foul or makes a layup followed by 2 missed jump shots from him.
@@jasonl7937 I watched him a few times this season. First thing that comes to mind is a game where he missed a few layups I thought he should have made. Don't recall him having much issue getting to the rim. Despite his age. This with his passing is where he provides value on offense. It's just not enough. Plus, it dries up in the playoffs once teams focus on scheming against your offense. Instead, of scheming to win during the regular season. Regular season stats: 22 MPG 11ppg/51%TS 4.5AST/2.1TO In their only playoff series against Dallas - where I assume the lone big cheated of Russ - ... 19MPG 6.3PPG/33.4%TS 1.7AST/1.7TO Was better in lone previous season playoff series. But, still below regular season numbers (50%TS, sub 2.0 AST/TO ratio). Hence why the Clippers are interested in trading. Very interested I would imagine.
I'm not a Warriors fan fan but I like the team. I have the same feeling about 30 that Homer had about that one quiet ninja. He is about to do something. I'm not writing him off
As a Spurs fan, I really hope the Spurs win 30 games. This 2025 draft class is too good to pass up. I don't want them to do anything crazy, but a high pick + Atlanta's pick could go a long way.
Guys age and injurys have an effect on physical performance. If I were a GM I wouold keep that in mind, if I wanted a ring. Now if relationships were more important, as they should be, then I would give the gold thing to Everyone for not giving up. Oh the money thing as well.
LeBron is such a smart player that he knows working the refs is more productive than running back on D & not constantly leaving his guys in 4 on 5 situations. A 1000+ more FTA's for the Lakers than their opponents shows his genius?
Wilde’s best question kept getting ignored by Bill. And also shows why Bill is a brilliant media member, has great NBA knowledge, and would be the #1 WORST DISASTER of an NBA exec if he ever had the chance: “How would you sell this Steph?” He had no answer other than logic and things you do not say to an NBA superstar (and make him feel disrespected) if you wanted to keep him. Bill’s complete dismissal of the handling of ego’s make wonderful talking points AND totally removed from the reality of the situation. You say any of that to Steph and he would go, “You weren’t here. I don’t owe you anything. And the fans would want me to be happy after I tell them what you just said and how you said it.” And I doubt Steph would leave, but Bill would be gone and mocked appropriately for his interpersonal skills.
Not that anyone cares but My order is: Thunder, Celtics, Knicks, 76’rs, Mavericks, Nuggets, Bucks, Timberwolves,Magic, Suns, Heat, Pacers, Kings, Grizzlies, Cavs, Lakers, Clippers, Houston, ( as of 7/1/24)
I appreciate Bill always mentioning Steph playing for Charlotte but it ain't happening sadly unless 1 other all-star at least is coming with him to join Melo
The critical moment is when the warriors banked on Poole and wiseman. Just imagine where the warriors would be if they traded Poole and wiseman at the peak of their value that offseason after their championship
@@notoriousLSGshow I honestly didn’t believe that. I get what you are saying. But Poole always had his limitations even when he was at his best, he was wreckless. It paid off but was not sustainable. It all just caught up when team actually game planned for Poole, which they didn’t bother to the year prior.
They need to rip the bandaid and trade curry while he has value. I saw the same thing with Kobe, extended him and he had a 2 year farewell tour. It was sad to see.
If I was Steph,I would want to change teams. Put me in position where I can win. Him staying with Warriors for the next 5 years doesn't change much. Let him go somwhere where he can win
Yep another gap year or two. Maybe try and get Jerami Grant? Try and get another big who can spread the floor & hold up on defense - Signing Jalen Johnson may have been a worthwhile gamble - Make a couple other moves & give Kuminga, Pods, Moody time to mature. Is what it is for Curry. Who knows what happens if Draymond is more welcoming to KD & doesn't punch Poole. Plus, Wiggins doesn't struggle with off court issues. Losing Klay is what needed to happen. But, you keep Draymond. Steph plays well with him & his numbers suggest he's certainly worth the contract, if he stays on the court & doesn't alienate other teammates. You can't lose too much at this point. Still have to move Wiggins. Hopefully he plays better & puts his off the court issues behind him. Free agents I think Warriors should target. Robert Covington, Miles Bridges (if you can stomach the controversy), Outside shot at Tristan Vukcevic? If they don't make any big moves. I agree with you, Bill. Next year is the perfect time to tank. Or, blow up the team. Edit: Did make a smart draft move, by selecting Quentin Post. Missed that. At least they see the future of the league. Where dominant teams will likely have taller guys who can protect the rime & space the floor.
It is hard to know from the outside what Curry values the most. Does he want to ring chase at the end of his career or be like Kobe and just kinda accept that at the end it's more about getting your bag and cementing your legacy than trying to chase one final ring as a fading star and probably not getting it anyway.
the warriors lost in 6 in the second round the year you said they lost in the play in and the year before they won the ship bills gotta know better lmao
