KOI POND FLUKE TEATMENT UPDATE, 3RD PRODUCT TO TRY**COULD IT BE ANOTHER PARASITE TO DEAL WITH?🤔😉 

The Fluke battle go's on thanks for filming

I’m a new koi keeper and I have been watching your videos for last 8 weeks and I have found your experiences have help me so from me a big thumbs up. As for fluke I have experienced this as have many others koi keepers, my koi dealer was closed when realised i had fluke so I was in a situation where I had to buy a treatment from a larger retailer and I could only get Flukasole and after 24hrs I noticed a big improvement but then after the 4th day they seem to go the other way slightly so I gave a second dose after the 5th day and not the recommended 7 days but since the second dose the fish are happy and eating normally and they seem to be enjoying life that was 3 weeks ago so fingers crossed. Anyway I hope all gets better soon.

Hi it's very interesting reading all the comments I built my pond in 94 ,all fibreglassed ,no window in them days! 4000 gallons (3300) pond 700 filters including vortex , I built "media chambers" filled with brushes ,spring flow and ,clay / spar which no one will probably remember ,central heating pump's and hi blow 40 definey old school but it worked and I still have 5 of my koi which are "originalalls" with my newer ones so must have done something right only ever used to use sterizen p and put in alot of salt if required never had any major problems, I have changed one of my brush chambers to a k1 150l moving bed just hoping it doesn't cause problems!

Hi Andy, thank you for mentioning me on your channel much appreciated, I am gutted to see you done second dose and not worked, after my first dose I had 2 or 3 flash which are the usual suspects 🤣but around third day I’ve seen none flash but tbh I’m not 💯 impressed, I am gonna do a early 2nd dose treatment due to temperatures being warmer I was also mentioned from other pond keepers to go ahead with early 2nd dose, I’ll be adding Colombo fish protect, if this don’t work mate I think I’m gonna pp a bowl and treat koi for 3 mins and hit them with fluke solve plus(pond) 👍🏻take care

Personally instead of trying different products I'd ask Steve to pop up with his Microscope and test kit to double check, no disrespect but he would find costia,or tric within a minute, and probably of saved you a good £50 even with his small call out charge. He's the man to listen to

I totally agree, twice I have found golden rud in my stand up skimmer,,loving koi pond lifestyle 👍

Hi mate , poor old Gary ., but to be fair you said you’ve found no flukes so to say it’s not worked is a little unfair , I would bowl Gary and have a look at his gills , it’s seems you had Gill flukes and as the name says they feed and cause damage to the gills and it can take a while for the koi to recover from any damage , but !! Sometimes the gills can become necrosis and may never recover ☹️☹️

Im gutted for you Andy I hope you get it sorted this time I really do need to scape a couple of my fish again just as a precaution stay safe 🙏🐟🐟🐟🐟🙏

I think you have two options.... 1st leave it alone and do a water change. 2nd run a dose of PP to kill off anything you haven't seen. 3rd (I cant count) go old school and dose your pond with salt.. and yes I know many people will be aghast with that solution. But it has worked for years and years to help the build up of slime coat which helps stop parasites from attaching. Just as an aside my fish have always spat food out. They tend to be lazy eaters and can take up to an hour to eat a portion of food. They fill their mouths and then spit half of it out again. Then go back and eat the bits they spat out.

In the old days well 40 yrs ago pond keepers used to use 1 cup of Distilled Vinegar and Formalin mix. I like Distilled Vinegar Fluke and other bugs dont like it at all. But it does effect PH it drops it.

My first go to has to be sea salt kills all those bugs on the fish I use 1kg per 300 gallons after 4 days I do a 10% water change each day for 5 days you can find you will keep trying everything to get rid of flukes and other bugs non may work but salt will.

Hi Gary, thank you for working through the video even though you seem disappointed. I'm in the US and have been dealing with flukes as well. I have follow one of the recommendations of Dr. Erik Johnson, who is one of the top veterinarians here in the US. He have a suggestion of dosing the pond with 2ppm of PP for 5 consecutive days. It's seem to help put the control over the flukes and my fish now. Let me know if you want to know more or try it. Every pond is different but I just wanted to share what works for me.

Hi, great watch; very interesting. I’ve been keeping koi for around 10 years now but a couple of months ago I had a similar issue found nothing on the scope and had one of my kohaku’s with pretty much the same symptoms as Gary. Scrape after scrape nothing, spoke to a lot of people in the game and together took the decision to add chloramine T. Within a few days all fish returned to normal and I haven’t had a problem since. Maybe Costia who knows as there really wasn’t anything on the scrapes but the signs were there almost exactly the same as yours. I don’t like to add anything without being sure however if all the signs are there sometimes you just have to go with your head. It worked for me and you might want to consider it.

Oh what a disappointment Andy, sorry to hear it hasn't worked for Gary, I feel your pain, it's so frustrating. Keep going my friend, with all the other pond owners you might still learn how to overcome the problem. 👍

Sorry for your loss ,I've had a bad year lost fish iv had for 16 years, may they all rest in peace, take care.

Gutted for you pal , so many of us going through this at the min , we was all routing for you and Gary too , I just used fluke solve plus after no luck with Kusuri formalin and mg , it’s killed my filters It’s one thing after another eh , but what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger pal , good luck

In recent years my fish have had gill flukes and 2 lots of fluke solve have sorted it but this year I used 4 lots of fluke solve and it did nothing. I then tried 2 lots of lernex and nothing. I then tried 2 lots of lernex pro and had partial success. I then used 2 more lots of lernex pro but this time instead of just turning off the UV I turned off all the pumps aswell for 36 hours and used an airline with plenty of air and this did the trick. This could be worth doing or maybe using the fluke solve plus. Gill flukes can sometimes be hard to find if they stay in the gills and knowing how your fish react is sometimes the best way to know...flashing against their gills and any damage to the outer gill plate. Stick at it and you will get there.

It can one of the best and also the worst hobby's in the world it's amazing when things are going right .. but the stress and anxiety when things aren't going well is a side of the hobby that isn't talked about much .. it's fair to say that I think everyone that takes this hobby seriously has felt what ur going though at some point with what ever issues they were dealing with .. good luck mate I'm sure u get to the bottom of it in the end some of the best advise I've ever heard is .. as long as ur putting in ur 50% in and doing everything u can then it's up to the animal to do there 50% as well ... It's not easy but it helped me 😁

Like most Koi keepers I've also got all of this going on. Fish spitting out food, sitting in the corner for days, flashing etc etc. On advice, I bought the £250 microscope to find out what the problem was.... found nothing. After a few days/weeks they all seem to get over it by themselves with no chemicals added at all. One particular fish, my favourite one too, sat in the corner and never ate for about four weeks but even he has managed to beat it and if I'm honest I was resigned to losing him. Hopefully this gives you some hope for yours mate. To put all this into context, I'm relatively new to Koi keeping, about 2yrs in. Keep up the great vids!

Hi thanks for another great video. Some of my koi are just sitting at the bottom, not eating looking sorry I haven’t got a clue. Never done a scrape a bit unsure. Any way thank you Neil from stoke on Trent

Hi I watch all your videos great work keep it up, RE your Fluke problem ! are you sure it is not bacterial ? I had the same problem found nothing on scrapes other than dead flukes ! so I got a professional in and it turned out to be a bacterial infection . the way to check that is check the fins for deteriation / splits ect and 2 doses of chloramine T seems to of sorted it . it may be to late for the goshki because if it gets into the liver ect not a lot you can do about it but it will stop it spreading Hope this helps its only my experience i am not a vet or anything . good luck

I used kockney koi fluke off this season and its worked a treat

It is a sinking feeling watching your prized koi suffering, Don’t be tempted to add treatments though unless you find parasites, Flukes take it out of your koi, It could be a few weeks before they start to pull round and start to eat properly again, Be patient and make sure water is spot on, All parameters are good, Watch the fish for secondary infections as a result of the flukes and Scrape in a weeks time, Good luck !

Keep your chin up fella, give it time.

I know your pain. I had flukes for over a year and in that time I tried everything on the shelf and under the self to kill them off. Normal strain of flukes fine worked a treat then it was discovered i had a strain of fluke that was resilient to known fluke treatments. Super fluke..... alot bigger than the normal fluke. One thing i did was to submerge all pond equipment nets, bowls etc in the pond for the time I treated for, I noticed you removed the aquarium whilst treating fluke could remain on the glass or frame so again leave in pond and submerge if possible. Another thing i was told to do was with an abrasive sponge brush the top water line up to the copping stones as the fluke had been found in a scrape of a pond wall...... Done all this and still flukes. I then placed the trays of my bakki shower into the pond so they were under water rather than have water passing over......again still had flukes. i got into touch with the manufacturer of fluke solve and ran through the whole story .... a lengthy phone call that was. I was then invited to go onto the trial for fluke solve plus. I left everything running on the pond that would normally be and scrapped 5 koi before and found fluke in numbers. After the treatment I scrapped every koi and no fluke found. I scraped 5 koi every week for a month and still no fluke found. To date I've been fluke free. I've not added any new koi for some 8 months and still fluke free. A method of entry which seems to be common is if frogs or newts can enter ponds they may carry fluke. I like you have a raised pond so it would have to jump some to get in.

Try some Acriflavin in the pond its a bit of a pick me up for koi as well as a treatment and it does no harm so can be put in with other stuff in the pond.

I think it’s a very odd season. I had 2 of my oldest and biggest fish jump out the pond at the same time yesterday. Lucky my partner was looking at the pond and pushed them in back in. I did a water change as soon I got home. And again this morning. Doing water tests which are showing nitrates are high. Will do a 20% water change again tomorrow and test again. However the fish all look fine and happy at the moment

Check all of your water parameters… clamping and also being still with a raised head is sign of the little fella not feeling well all.. I also believe that he is doing this near where your pond is most oxygenated which could be a cause of the gill flukes damaging the gill Membrane… similar to when we have a chest infection… don’t rush into applying further treatments yet… next phase is to get him out.. sedate him And give him a thorough check over including his gills, are there any obvious signs of scarring etc etc

You not wrong there mate this hobby can kick the shit out of us at times keep you're chin up mate you'll get it sorted 🤞🤞🤞

Midnight and I have just been talking to my daughter in coolangatta she said have you tried Chloramine in the pond used a lot in AU she said it’s a killer it will get rid of almost everything and is a 2 day treatment.

U can put a camera & check out ur fish anytime u want

I believe that the high incidence of fluke in the UK is due to overfeeding in water temperatures below 20 degrees. In Japan, especially at 15 to 17 degrees Celsius, their appetite and activity is so great that it is easy to be misled into feeding too much, and similar problems occur frequently.

I have 2 doing a Gary, my kujaku and my Kikokuryu. No parasites, nitrite a little high but no stupidly high (had higher last year) Gave salt baths and they cheered up for a day then back to this again. Running our of ideas and I even pp the pond which pretty much kills everything (I hate doing pp treatment. Even as a dip) I have no clue as to what it is but in a way I'm glad I'm not alone. Another great video even thou the outcome was not as we all hoped

Maybe try get someone to pop over with ther microscope and have a go if your unsure on yours. Sometimes another pair of eyes can help. I just offered my help on this message then changed it as remembered you live in Stoke on Trent which is miles away lol

I’m bemused, and have no idea what to do next other than replace all the water through water changes over the next couple weeks. 😕 I have stream where water returns to my pond, and birds bathe in it. I must be incredibly lucky as I have never had to treat for fluke 🤞🏼

I had something like this happen 2 months ago and I hit my pond with everything going from two doses of learnex pro and also PP and in the end it all came good. I really do think a PP treatment may well keep but it’s your call. Good luck

Have you checked Chloramine and chlorine levels in the pond. Water companies are putting alot in at the min. The only other thing I can think of is a PH crash. Hope things improve soon pal.

Gary I feel for you mate, it's definately been the most testing season for me (koi keeping for 6 years) also ... too many issues to mention. Let's give it some time ..the fish have been battered and if it's been gill fluke then their gill would have taken a battering. Some mention soaking the food first so they can chew it easier (that's probably why they eat and spit out and then eat again) for them. If we're struggling then imagine all the new hobbyists coming into the game and those masses of people re-building their ponds (alot of place have sold out of the drum filters). It's not always the instagram world of wow koi that's for certain. Be well mate

Salt bath Gary , I had one just like Gary , some mornings I'd go out to check on him and he was on his side, I thought this was it but he would wake up and sulk on the bottom with fin lock . I put him in a salt bath a few times and moved him to another pond and he improved slowly , fins unlocked and started feeding again, it took about a month from sick to fixed . sometimes they are just like us , we get sick and it takes awhile to get over it.

I used supaverm absolutely destroyed flukes in my pond, it’s very strong stuff and not advertised for koi/or flukes it’s actually for live stock I believe, but I’ve spoke to a lot of people who’ve used it with great results!!

Heating the pond to 30 degrees will help kill everything too

Hi Andy As you know I had flukes and treated with supaverm which I stupidly over dosed and lost one of my fish and knocked the crap out of the rest could be possible that they are all feed up with the constant different fluke treatments your putting in the pond? I’ve not long finished a 10day salt treatment on the whole pond at 0.60% after the supaverm and all my koi are are eating again and seem to be back to normal 2 days after the salt treatment ended Hope you get it sorted matey

for two years now I raise the salt in the pond to 0.6% 3 days before adding my first dose of fluke solve followed buy a second dose two weeks later, then just let the salt level come down slowly over the rest of the summer. Second year running doing it this way and I don't see them flash for the rest of the year, added bonus salt at 0.6% kills all the algae off to so no need to buy any treatments for that either.

I was really hoping you would have a positive result. But it's not all lost. Don't know when you last recorded but the Lernex pro might have had done it's work now. Hopefully. Going through that at the minute. Flukes have landed on my pond. For other reasons than birds..

Just had the same with my asagi. Scraped and nothing, then had to do 2 other fish (who weren't showing signs of anything wrong) and found whitespot. Apparently really easy to miss as they don't always move around. FMG has brought him round and eating again now.

Hi I’ve had same probs then I came across a product called envirex produced by Lincolnshire fish health it’s a totally natural product that degrades both solids & dissolved solids & helps lowering ammonia/nitrite/nitrate & phosphate The result is a more hygienic pond in which disease is less likely to develop. I purchased some put it in pond with in 2 hours my koi were swimming around looking for food no looking stressed or miserable or sitting on bottom.

I feel your pain,I've had fluke this year with one fish suffering more than others,it's eating bit lost so much body mass I'm not sure how much longer he's going to last.

I would do a FMG broad spectrum treatment (formulin and malchalite green). I use the one from microbe Lift (bsd treatment). You do a 25 percent water change before every dose. You dose 3 days in a row and then let it sit for 7 days.. Good luck..

If I was you I would finish the treatment after 7 days 40/50 percent water change, flush filters through. monitor for a few days and see of there any improvement because it could be the amount of treatments your using. If no improvement, hit with ntlabs FMG, More than likely now the flukes have gone trich or costia have moved in. I think koi will always have parasites but its about keeping the numbers down. Get yourself a apex practioner, great scopes even for a beginner.

Well that’s the flattest I’ve seen you since I started following your channel. I can feel your frustration from here. I’m sure Andy you will get to the bottom of it and come out the other side. I’ve nothing useful to add other than keeping my fingers crossed for you Mate.

Have you tested the water lately, I had one like ‘gary’ and found my nitrites were sky high hence the flashing and ‘Gary’ has now recovered and swimming eating happily… worth a test? Good luck mate.

Hi there I had similar problems just like this early this year treated for flukes and one fish was still sitting at the bottom and couldn’t get him right ! After doing scrapes and finding nothing I decided to treat with FMG , this sorted this fish within 24 hours and been right ever since !

I'd forget the treatments, I love the channel but it seems every week (as with all RU-vidrs at the moment) you are just filling your pond with chemicals. I am not sure if it is just to make content for RU-vid, but I'd say it is worth a try at some good clean water and some good flow. You probably do it and we don't see it, but I can't remember the last time you showed us a good old fashioned water change...

Nightmare these flukes. I’m scared to put anymore chemicals in. Iv treat mine twice now first with fluke p which really perked them up and they all ate fine again. Second treatment was fluke M. All koi are Heavily eating again.. I’m watching them these next couple weeks see what happens 🤞🏻 flukes are taking over this year for everyone by the looks of it. Hope you get sorted 👍🏻 hope we all do 🤣

After months of looking at pond clays I have come to the conclusion they are all the same. Some manufacturers may say thay have this or that in them which makes them better however you will not see this on the label. Nothing is added to the clay and the exact amounts of the compounds in the clay depend only on where it’s found and nature not on the price paid. Montmorillonite clay contains calcium, sodium and aluminium, Bentonite clay potassium, sodium, calcium, silica, quartz, and aluminium. Koi clay can be added to food pellets soaking damp pellets into clay ingesting binds organic pollutants and toxins that are in your koi’s body and enable fish to excrete them more effectively. This can result in increased growth, improved colour, and healthier immune system, and greater energy. Montmorillonite has a 8.3 to 9.1 PH. Bentonite has a 7 to 8 PH. So the choice of clay can help you control some PH.

Cant help you with koi flukes. Never had that ever and don't know nothing about those treatments. I think our super cold Canadian winters kill every last parasite. However I think sometimes the more treatment you add may create more problems. In the past I have had injured fish from tree limbs falling in pond and all I did was treat my pond with Laguna Pond Peat Extract as its all natural and prevents wounds from fungus. Never used salt either. Good luck with those pond flukes.

Oase Skimmer, cut a piece of filter grid with tight fit to put it in the flap door and make sure flap can move up and down, stops fish going in. had to save my crucian once, soon stopped the problem.

Try flukasol worried good for me Good luck 🤞

I swear everytime I've fed daphnia red worm to my goldies I've introduced parasites. Plants possibly too!

Hi Andy where to start seen and read the comments it’s a tough one for sure but your fish tell you when they are not right I’ve had a garden pond for over 25 years started with gold fish and normal carp then put koi in and never really had any problems never owned a microscope never done a fish scrape but this year I’ve had terrible trouble with fish flicking rubbing and clamping up. So what do you do just leave and hope it will sort itself out well it won’t as I contacted a local pond company to come and do water checks and scrapes completely let me down gave me a date never came got in touch never got back to me all this took 10 days and in this time my fish were in a right state turning pink not feeding sores all over a right mess. Big decision time bought a microscope did scrape which is stressful to say the least found Costia and Trichodina treated all was good for about a month all started again but only did one treatment so did three treatments as people suggested and hopefully all is good at the moment fingers crossed. Morel of the story is treat sickly fish with what you find and I hope you get it sorted soon.

I was in same boat used NT LABS ERADICK for a week seem to have helped

Slice of wholemeal bread on top of the pond that brought my fish up and starting to eat.

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Doesn't your pond get a lot of sunlight? If so, build a simple awning and that should help your water clarity too.

Treated my pond with Lernex pro KH 7 or over Need to strip mucus off the koiTreated with cloramine T on the Wednsday Lernex in on Thursday NO water changes at all treated again on the Monday pond above 18 degrees repeat on fifth day Advice of local Koi expert He scraped my fish about 2~3 weeks later no flukes

Have the same problems 3 fish doing a Gary and 1 just really bad all tests and scrapes fine Used fluke solve and 2 are better but 2 not right so put a costia treatment in and no change

Mate I feel sorry for ya. Unfortunately everyone's pond will react differently with treatments so theres no one product for all, you've put a lot of chemicals in recently, maybe (just an opinion) that may be causing some of your issues. Especially as you haven't found any recent parasites. Hope you get it sorted mate. Ps I knew I should have patented the koi shaker 😬

Just wondering how big is your pond as I am looking a building one soon and want to know what is a good size

hi pal i used superverm sheep wormer tried fluke m did not work so tried superverm did two treatment and all gone

I have been battling flukes for over a year, nothing has worked, tried lernex pro, did nothing, lost my big chag, couldnt find costia, but dead fluke, so tried colombo alperex as a last resort, it killed 2 more, my pond is killing me, good luck with yours, mine im losing the will to live, bit drastic but i love my fish

Going through exactly the same even payed for a dealer to scrape nothing found water spot on still spitting out food my ponds raised and covered first time in 10yrs feel like calling it a day

Have you tried a bit of a faster flow in your pond... my koi really pick up, after a treatment if I up the air and flow rate to ‘white water rafting’ level 10.5.

I'm having a few health issues with my fish, based on my experiences, I wonder if you have dealt with the parasites, as you can't find any, but the fish have a secondary infection now. The length of time that many people have had in getting rid of parasites I guess would mean the fish have been unwell for some time, and even more likely to another infection, for instance, fungal or bacterial?

If you can't find anything on scrapes and they're still under the weather not telling you how to suck eggs but have you checked water parameters? Hope Gary's ok mate

Maybe you’ve missed something it’s not easy - I have had the same - go for a hit of FMG and see if that does it - just reduce feeding and keep an eye on the water parameters

Just used first dose of the new Fluke Solve plus, £59.95 at Cuttlebrook too. 2nd dose in 2 weeks, will update later.

Is Garry still sick I would put Pond Medic Malachite Green in the water.

Whats your water parameter readings ? (actual readings not just within spec). PH KH, GH etc I had a PH crash and the fish were acting like Gary.

Seen a odd one of my koi flashing but always seems to be after feeding and never the same fish. Scraped a few but can’t find anything. Reading up and someone says gill flukes as when they eating the gill flukes irritates them more. No idea really. Not sure to treat as not found anything and fish are eating like horses.

Hi how long do u turn ur uv off for while I add my fluke solve for cheers steve

how about Salt ..always works for me ..used with a saltmeter ...i know the anti salt will jump on this but yh ok for me

Don't be too concerned yet, your putting a strong chemical into your system . Some fish react different to others ie some will eat and some will sulk. You've also dosed again early which is banging up the chemicals Concentration in your system which in turn and again fish will react in different ways. Just let the chemical run its course and don't be tempted to put/add any other brands or what your using now until its safe to do so. Mixing chemicals or double dosing can have a effect on your fishes organs that could make them sulk or worse die. . The temp/weather's changes this last 4 weeks have also played a part in our fishes behaviour.

Me personally I'd turn up the trickle in and out to change the water as much as possible, then give them a good dose of pond clay for 24 hours,then flush your filters, then try and feed them something totally different like wholemeal bread(not the one with any seeds in) take small bits squash it up so it sinks

Do you scrape under the belly ?

Trying times

USE SALT !! .06% FOR 14- 16 DAYS!!! PLEASE

Do you want to get in touch ?

You shouldn't be treating for costia if you haven't found it.

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Try normal lernex, not the pro version

With all the treatments that you have put in your pond, you are doing more harm than good. Your water and filter must me in a terrible state.

Hi I watch all your videos great work keep it up, RE your Fluke problem ! are you sure it is not bacterial ? I had the same problem found nothing on scrapes other than dead flukes ! so I got a professional in and it turned out to be a bacterial infection . the way to check that is check the fins for deteriation / splits ect and 2 doses of chloramine T seems to of sorted it . it may be to late for the goshki because if it gets into the liver ect not a lot you can do about it but it will stop it spreading Hope this helps its only my experience i am not a vet or anything . good luck