There is the gift of wisdom through hearing/heeding God's Word. And there is also a 'discerning of spirits' which is a spiritual gift that a committed follower of Christ may ask Him for. Yoga is a mix of hinduism and new age and therefore something one who cherishes the Holy Spirit of God within him/her cannot truly comfortably abide. Nothing further to be said on that really. May the Lord bring this inner conviction across all churches (not to fall for that unholy mix).. yes, may His children put away any such practice quick smart.. as it would dim their Spirit life in Him and lead them astray to a different/mystic source not rooted in the wellspring of God's living water.
I haven't yet read all of the comments, so perhaps someone else has said what I'm going to say. I come from an eclectic spiritual background. My dad is Hindu (he's from India), married my mom who is Catholic, and my best friend growing up was Mennonite. My spiritual education as a youngster was all over the place :). Then I got mixed up in new age/occult stuff. As a result, I am EXTREMELY cautious about manifestations of the spirit. And I even teach supernatural healing! I am quick to be suspicious of counterfeit spirits. The vast majority of western Christians are spiritually illiterate, meaning they don't have any understanding of other religious/spiritual practices. This makes us VERY susceptible to deceptions. Here's the important thing I have realized as I puzzled through all of this - the devil is in the details (pun intended!). There is often a VERY SUBTLE difference between an occult or pagan practice, and a charismatic practice. For instance, all the manifestations of God's glory that Josh mentioned were very true and real. But they were ones that God initiated. No one sought out those Holy Spirit manifestations. IF God initiates a manifestation, it can be trusted (obviously). But if a person initiates it, there is no way of knowing what spirit that person is actually encountering. The difference between pagan practice and Christian practice is often a very small detail. Many people in the Bible were taken up into a heavenly vision, or with Paul, even visited the "third heaven." Christians then take this as permission to try to reach the spirit realm "because Paul did." A big difference - Paul was TAKEN up, he didn't seek it. Modern Christians use meditation practices to travel on their own volition to a different spirit realm. Do you see the difference? This goes back all the way to the garden. Adam and Eve had access to knowing good and bad, but they were not to seek it on their own. Satan tempted them to seek what was ultimately harmful to them. It's not because the tree of good and bad was benign. It's because it DID impart knowledge that God knew was not safe for humans to have. Yet it was possible for them to pursue it. The Bible warns us to not do what the pagans do, period. It's because it's harmful, especially because we probably won't be able to discern and properly process or understand any information we encounter in a spiritual experience that we initiate. Considering that even harmful spirits can help produce "good" results, we get even more deceived and confused. Sorry for such a long comment, but I think about this stuff all the time, and I'm extremely worried about the spiritual health of Christians who can't discern the slight differences between the various religious practices.
Hi Anita, you should be who teaches on this topic. Everything you described I relate to. When we assume a scripture is saying something that is not clear, we have responsibility to not interject on what is not clearly written in scripture .Scriptures are all we have to test what is taught, manifestations, dreams, visions, etc. The manifestations of the church I attended and conferences were all into these manifestations. It was normal and expected to take place and it did. On my way to church I prayed, God I don't want experiences, I want You to work in me. Shortly after I was loaned a video. In it I heard the word Kundalini ,so I googled it. When I saw the pagan Hindu religion doing exactly as we do, I renounced it all. I have more freedom spiritually than I've known. As I listen to ministers teaching the pure Word of God I know the difference. If the scriptures aren't clear about having these experiences, I cannot accept them. God is not leaving us in the dark about these manifestations. I have, however, read what Jesus described about the ministry of the Holy Spirit when He would be poured out. God is not into experiences He is interested in our sanctification .The written Word of God is what we are commanded to study. Mike Pickle, Brown, and others mentioned are false teachers. I am sad 😢, I was looking for biblical Truth,not teachings that I can't trust.
My kundalini was opened. Jesus pulled me back to Him in January 2019. Thank you Jesus!! But in 2018 while working heavily with my spirit guides, performing energy healings and channeling and reading oracle and tarot cards, I went to Costa Rica for four nights of ceremonies of the plant medicine, Ayahuasca and three nights of breath work. The spirit of the plant, Mother Ayahuasca, came to me as a very large snake. The experiences and healings were amazing. But, a few months after returning home Mother Ayahuasca made it clear that I was to start working with her. After different encounters and a spiritual surgery, my Kundalini opened. It was very powerful and distracting. Not to be crude, but the feeling for me and others I talked to was like a quick full body orgasm. It could happen any time she was connecting with me. I guess if people are experiencing the same feelings and not saying anything from embarrassment then I could see why they would continue and learn how to prolong the experience. No person laid hands on me. It was all spiritual. Thankfully as I was moving into another level, Jesus snatched me out of all this New Age stuff.
I know a lot of people will not believe you, but the Bible's instructions are clear about staying away from these thing not because they don't work... but because they DO work and ARE real. If you have not read Unseen Realm by Dr Heiser, you would probably appreciate it.
@@danielmiller2886 Your words are so true. It was definitely later that I realized all of my spirit guides were demons and not the Angels and relatives and so on as I was led to believe. They will become what you need and what you desire. I do have Michael Heiser’s books. He is very good. What I called the Kundalini may or may not have been exactly that, but it is what everyone around me was calling it. Whatever those powerful experiences are actually called, I may never know.
Aunt Bling's: That all sounds pretty bizarre to me. I believe you, but it just seems weird. "Greater is He (Jesus) Who is in me, than he (Satan) that is in the world 🌎❣️🙏
@@the_righteousbranch You name popped up on my smartphone. I would suggest reading Ephesians 6:10 to the end of the Chapter. " Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might...". I love the King James Bible, but I would suggest maybe reading something easier like The New Living Translation. (Don't tell my Pastor I said that). Lol......Since it's almost Easter, try reading the last Chapter in the Gospel of John...If I didn't say it before, I will be praying for you 💗🎁 God bless ❤️
There is a reason why Jesus tells us not to chase signs and wonders. I don't see the shaking and falling in the bible. Indeed one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is self control and shaking, 'holy laughter', mass babbling certainly isn't it. Whatever the name of the spirit that manifests such behaviour I don't know but I'm not going to search for some fleshly experience.
I was born again in the 80's. A youth pastor laid his hand on my shoulder and I began to speak in tongues. There was absolutely no slaying in the spirit, laughing, jerking animal sounds etc. at all, just good old fashioned regeneration with the Holy Spirit. Fast forward 20 years ( I left the AOG) I began to revisit the Charismatic movement because my niece was asking for donations to attend Bethel Supernatural School in Redding. Now the minute I heard the word supernatural a shock went through my body. I then began to research what I was unaware of for 20 years, the hyper Charismatic movement. I was in total shock! I could not believe what I was seeing! These are the same manifestations I suffered when I was involved in Hinduism. Back story..... I came out of a Kundalini cult when I was practicing TM and became a Sidha. My body thrashed around, involuntary body movements plagued me (Kryas), involuntary outbursts of laughter, words and screams and the chakras that started at the base of my spine shot through the top of my head and I was able to propel myself across a room with my legs crossed (Sidha levetation). On top of all that, I had demonic visitations and sleep paralysis. Long story short....when I saw what the hyper charismatics were doing I was mortified. What was happening in the church happened to me in a cult! I know the difference because all these manifestations were not present in the 80's. Whether you like it or not, Mr. Strom is correct . Anyway, my story. God bless!
I believe your story and it’s amazing God saved you from that but it’s so hard to believe and even imagine when you say you could levitate across a room. I don’t chase the occult so I don’t care to learn about it but it would be crazy to see that in real life. We hear about alot of things but don’t always experience them. I’m your honest opinion why don’t we see videos all over the internet of Hindi gurus doing what you did and flying across the room?
@@mcshiro1941 funny you should say that, A few days ago while trying to package all this up, I saw a short video of a hindu baba thing, and he was waving his arms up and down on the spot. He had two men on the floor with their legs in that folded lotus position, Cross legged anyways,. One basically stayed on the spot and was kinda vibrating a bit, and making some noises. However, the other guy, sheesh, he was literally, jumping around ( in this position) and was literally flying around uncontrolled. It was surreal to watch. Your right, theres not a lot out there, but ask Jesusfor wisdom and guidance.
Yes the problem being Bethel and the New Apotolic Reformation (dominion theology - the now and now of the kingdom BEFORE Jesus returns) and then their new age book The PHysics of Heaven which is taught in their bible school... even tho they try to distance themselves from the book.. of the two female editors, one is his church secretary... And Bob Jones (ex Kansas City prophet) has a chapter entitles Vibrating in harmony with God.. ..power portals anyone !! Clifford Hill in the UK refused to do the forward to their book in the 1990s as he discerned an evil spirit operating among them especially Bob Jones.. The thing is Andrew Strom was part of the Toronto church when he was discerning all of this... Toronto (the ARnots are into dominion)... I also think Toronto started through Roney Howard-Brown laying hands on someone - he describes his experience of the HOly Spirit as electricity that completely takes him over as does Bill Johnson in ch24 of the Physics of Heaven (whole load of shakin going on).. I dont believe the HS causes people to lose control... the fruit of the HS is self control, he convicts of sin... Rodney Howard-Brown meetings look exactly like kundalini - also he closes his bible, doesnt preach the gospel or mention Jesus and he is the centre of attention...
I’ve been a long time listener and appreciate you guys and recommend your channel to others. I have sent many positive encouraging comments to you over the past 3 years and thanked you for your ministry. I know it can’t be easy to cover such a wide variety of topics with all the divisiveness among believers. My observation tonight was different and I’d like to just share my opinion that while it’s totally right and necessary to critique an author, using Scripture & other reliable sources, and even come to the point of outright disagreement, which is appropriate, however, I believe I heard some mockery amongst you. When your arguments are solid and substantial, which many of your were, it does not add to the validity of your position to make fun of anyone. I love your humor and enjoy the joking around, but again, it feels like you may have taken it a bit too far with the sarcasm. I recognize you have a tough ministry and there are too many cruel critics who chew you up and spit you out just for the fun of it. I genuinely care for you all and want to see God using you in mighty ways to further his Kingdom. You have a unique platform and it’s a blessing to all of us. Thank you for listening. I am not looking for any arguments or comments from anyone here in the comment section. Thank you. God bless you and your families.
Thanks for the feedback! If you get the time, a time stamp or example would help. Easy for us to take it too far sometimes. I’ll give it a re-listen and see. Thanks again
@@michaelrowntree2005 - thank you for your response. It is evident that you all have a heart to see the Gospel taught without error and you go to great lengths to produce a show that is intellectually stimulating and honest. I recognize that sometimes it is necessary to swing the pendulum way over to offset the extreme. The 4 places I was referring to are 39:26; 44::58; 46:30, & 52:45. I know your hearts are in the right place and you are doing so much to combat false teachings in the church. It’s so hard not to get a bit sarcastic in order to get the point across. We all do it. The wrap-up of this episode was extraordinary; emphatically calling for the balance of truth and grace. I pray for you all often and know this type of ministry is particularly challenging for you and your families and the churches you represent. The Body of Christ NEEDS your ministry. Stay the course and May God give you strength to carry on.
Having grown up in a church in Australia where we came into direct contact of RHB and not just saw in the local churches but also experienced personally these manifestations there is without a doubt a problem with Kundalini in some parts of the church. I can tell you it it brought about a large lust problem within the church and we even saw pastors fall into adultery amongst other things. Some may say your attempts to defend the manifestations could be considered suspicious. I hope you guys can go back and watch your own video here, most of your logical fallacy debate is poorly formed. When you read scripture about manifestations such as falling down it is clear cut and says what happened and actually do not look similar to the manifestations we see from Kundalini, it only take a little discernment of the scripture. Like all these people saying Jesus visited them and it was like "hey buddy"....Not like scripture at all. It is a bit like Acts 4... The charismatic (i am one) go on about how the place was shaken and the amazing power of the Spirit but the reality that most people miss is that the manifestation was "they spoke the word of God with boldness"... They didnt fall down laugh do circles on the floor, they simply spoke with boldness... Some of the scripture you have failed to recognize that would help discern the spirits. Acts 16 The python spirit girl was proclaiming biblical truth, you need to stop and think about that. So you say "demons are leading people to Christ" then guess what it is certainly possible and a demon may want to lead people into a deceived arm of the church. Paul says not to go beyond what is written so the bit about not equal cause it looks the same can only be defended on your side by not actually seeing it in real time and understand that what the scripture really says about a recorded manifestation. We are told Satan's favorite parlor trick is going in disguised so maybe we need to lean more on the clarity and precis nature of scripture. And probably most important is that as you used Pau saying "If someone preaches a different Jesus or Spirit" This means it really is possible to hear about, proclaim and follow a DIFFERENT Jesus. My testimony is this, I was having words, heard God speak audibly, visions, seeing angels and demons, feeling power surge out of me while praying for people (had people comment the felt energy while I prayed for them), visited by angels in dreams etc, while in a "Bethel following" Church. But something was off and actually was having more and more suicidal thoughts, I cried out would the real Jesus reveal Himself or I am out, done...All that stopped, beautiful silence, peace... and my eyes opened to yes you can see the off track nature of these things through scripture. We know the fruits of the Spirit so manifestations must be in alignment. A leading figure from Bethel visited our church in Australia a few years back and gave his testimony about being filled with the Spirit. How he wanted it so bad but never had the experience (that is the key here we all want a spiritual experience as if to say salvation is not enough). Well funnily enough while in India he was taken over y a spirit he calls the Holy Spirit that locked his body up and he couldn't move for hours and was carried back to his hotel and left in a locked fetal like position on the sofa in the foyer. He explained how it was embarrassing and tried to justify it as a work of the spirit on his nature. Yet the scripture tells us a fruit of the Spirit is self control and we are told God is a good Father who gives good gifts but apparently is willing to embarrass His kids....
Hi MJ, God says, let us reason together. God is reasonable and clear. When it is not clear ,we are not to try to make it clear. You and Anita have spoken rightly. Thank you for pulling back the veil over the minds of Christians and New Age teachings, and those wanting supernatual experiences.
I feel power coming out of me when praying for people sometimes and it's happened automatically after spending 30 minutes to an hour praying every day to God for months. No impartation or anything, and all my fruits have been good. No lust, more sensitivity to sin, walking in greater righteousness than ever in my life! So I'm not sure power coming out is necessarily bad
I like you guys especially the thrust of your channel, but sometimes, you guys being charismatic give too much room for these types of manifestations and not call it demonic. One characteristic of fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control and also, we are commanded to be sober-minded and these manifestations show the exact opposite of it. Much love from the UAE
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 1 John 4:2 ESV We definitely need discernment, I don't think we can just say, "You believe in Jesus? Awesome! Everything you do and believe must be good then!" But you also definitely shouldn't be so quick to accuse fellow Christians of being under the influence of demons.
@@KevinDay Even demons confess Jesus is the Son of God..What I'm not comfortable with is that they give too much room for benefit of doubt for the obvious. They can make an argument from silence in the Scriptures (wc says we are also to be sober minded and self controlled), false eqivalency and other things but if we are seeing these kinds of manifestations that is identical to what is being practiced in paganism...I think we are choosing to be blind. One of the Spirit's main work is to glorify Christ (Jn 16) . Can we honestly say that these types of manifestations, give glory to Jesus?
@@reformed-slave If you want to argue that demonic influence can cause people to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, then you run dangerously close to denying that 1 John 4:2 is scripture. We need to harmonize these verses, not pit them against each other. It's obviously not just about saying the phrase, "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh," or even about asserting the undeniable truth of who Jesus actually is. It's about professing and demonstrating your allegiance to Jesus over anyone or anything else, and most charismatics that demonstrate these manifestations do just that. I absolutely would assert that these practices can give glory to Jesus, when done decently, in order, along side proper balance of mental and practical disciplines, with true guidance of the Holy Spirit and not manufactured, and always while confessing the Gospel. The "self control" fruit of the Spirit primarily refers to avoiding sin, although I would agree that it can also apply to avoiding the mindset of always seeking for a spiritual experience rather than a true relationship and transformed everyday life. Giving God full control of your life is also expected of Christians, and these ecstatic experiences can be a visceral way to put that into practice in regards to your physical body, and to set aside fears of how you appear to others.
@@KevinDay guess I just went straight to my point. What I am saying is anyone can say that that Spirit is from God to conceal the act and to deceive many. Same thing with regards of blaspheming the Spirit, people just put up a video and straight up blaspheme the Spiritjust wanting to look cool without any idea what it really is. Again, my call is just to plainly look at the obvious, compare it with Scripture and not try to make much room for it. I knew some people who are speaking in tongues and I have no problem with it (though Im uncomfortable since no one is interpreting it) but theyre not manifesting these types of violent shaking, twitching and other weird stuff. And also, about what you said the "true guidance of the Holy Spirit" I don't know what standard will you use to verify a true move of the Spirit when they are shaking, twitching and laughing violently. Again, Im not totally against the continuation of the sign gifts, but not these. I learned a lot from this brothers here at RR and most of the time I agree with them esp on the essentials. Again, just my opinion, you are entitled to your own :)
@@reformed-slave I'm glad we can have a friendly conversation about this, and we mostly agree :) I guess my only remaining apprehension about this is regarding your claim about what's "plainly obvious". It seems to me that what is "obvious" to one could be not so to another, depending on each individual's prior experience and presuppositions. The language can come across as accusatory and demeaning when someone doesn't share your view. I'm not bothered by it, I just caution you that it could be counterproductive when conversing with others in the future.
Wow 😮. I really like you guys and have listened to several of your videos including this series, your stuff with Dr. Heiser and Dr. Keener. However, I think you are waaaayyy off the mark with regard to anything from Brownsville being of the Lord! You need to do your research on that place. My best friend went down there right after that began and was horrified by what went on. It was demonic and he’s a Pentecostal who believes in all the gifts. The entire episode was very detrimental to his faith. As others have stated, the fruit of the Spirit is self control. The only place in the Bible where people are writhing is when they are under demonic influence. Ask Dr. Keener about it. This episode has been a real disappointment 35 minutes in. I don’t want to sound like an old grump but the. giggling in the beginning 5 minutes belies your ages. I would not have minded but your lack of discernment on this is really distressing. I’ve found the other episodes to be really solid biblically but not the case with this one. This is a very serious subject and this nonsense has done a LOT of damage in the church. Rodney Howard-Browne is a straight-up heretic. Please don’t ever defend him or what he brought to this country, it is a cancer in the body of Christ.
I realize this comment is old, but I’ve heard stories about people being thrown into walls, over pews, etc during Brownsville. Have you heard these type of stories?
So, this Kundalini spirit, can only be transmuted / transferred through the laying on of hands? I didnt grow up in a church, or had much church influence. When I was baptised in the Holy Spirit, It happened at home, I was alone, the Holy Spirit fell upon me. I hadn't even heard of a Baptism in the Holy Spirit. All I said was, "God, if you're real? Show me? And he did, Holy Spirit fell on me, my life changed, had a real love for Jesus.
Please do a Toronto blessing episode... that is my typical circle but I have left the movement and recently came back because of the passion in this group. I love them but there seems to be more precarious activity in these circles.
This is spreading by laying on of hands they call it impartation to an individual becareful of these people there infiltrating Christian churches characters like todd Bentley, bill Johnson , Kenneth hagin Rodney brown Benny hinn NAR
I had a Christian friend, P. who had previously been a Brahmin Hindu. She had considerable spiritual insight, as did another friend (also a former Hindu, who used to leave her body at times, at will). We are all Christians and were in the same church. We used to discuss spiritual matters at length. I always appreciated their depth of understanding. When the 'Toronto Blessing' came to the UK, P was not happy with it. I mistakenly assumed she was just being difficult, wrongly critical (maybe because I was by then in another church in which all this craziness was going on & like many there I too was really into it). So I dismissed P's objections. Since renouncing my involvement with the 'Toronto Blessing' etc I am now open to P's warnings. In fact I agree with her! But so many are still deceived by this & similar 'movements' & are therefore not open to warnings or anything spoken against them. I hope they don't suffer the kinds of consequences I did, which were severely debilitating & life-altering in an extremely serious way, for a long time. Let's STOP being so naive, and keep asking Jesus for wisdom, discernment and guidance. We need it!
Ugh!! I can't watch these fast enough! I've been on a journey of apologetics really and have gotten a lot of good foundational info from Mike Winger and a few others, but obviously they lean more conservative on the gifts of the spirit and these topics. I grew up pentacostal... Like AG swinging from the chandeliers. I know what I participated in in my heart came from a place of hungering for God. It's sooooooo good to have found your content!! I am literally eating this content up to sift my past experiences with the Bible to get my head straight with the word of God on these issues! I am loving this.
I visited the Toronto Airport Church and came out feeling sick over it. That was probably about 2 years after it started. We joined a prayer meeting and people were acting strangely. There was no discernment going on with those who were in charge. I have prayed for people and something like this happened but it was a demonic spirit manifesting.
Thank you for this video discussion. Below is my 2 cents worth 😊: There are a lot of past famous ministries and leaders that did things that are not biblical...its not because it happened in church history that everything is true according to the truth of God's word.... Even Randy Clarck and others like him can be in errors... The way I understand is that, when someone is seeking and searching for the truth, God will make Himself known to that person. Which mean even in the midst of false teachings, false teachers and demonic demonstrations, I would say despite the errors and the work of the ennemy, God can choose to draw someone to Himself in salvation through Christ Jesus. We can not have more of Jesus...He has given us all that we need....it is finished...but by submitting to God, killing our flesh daily, surrendering ourselves more to the Will of God than God will increase...because we decrease...He won't increase unless we decrease...meaning He will be first in our heart and the fruit of the Spirit (But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. Galatians 5:22-26 NKJV) will be made manifest, transforming us more in Christ like character through sanctification. He must increase, but I must decrease. John 3:30 NKJV Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. Luke 9:23 NKJV The problem is, you have so many in the churches and church leaders worldwide that encourage their congregation to seek after feelings...physical demonstration, signs and wonders instead of seeking after Jesus and His righteousness. Too often they encourage people to rely on their senses instead of relying on the Word of God, and many think that unless they have some sort of physical demonstration they're not spiritual enough... so sad... A born again christian indwell by the Holy Spirit the moment he/she beleives can not be demon possessed. The ennemy through his demons can oppress us but we can not be possessed as the Holy Spirit is living in us. Does that mean that all those people that confess to be born again christians in those charismatic, NAR, hypercharismatic meeting/churches are actually not born again, and are indwelled by demons and are being delivered? The thing is within the church, all those that get prayed and have physical demonstrations (shaking, shouting etc...) are people within the churches and confessed to be born again christians... Don't get me wrong, I beleive God can heal, do miracle, He is God He can do what ever He wants if He choose to get someone's attention...but we are not to seek after experiences etc... We are to live our lives in surrounder in obedience to His Word. I have attended 2 churches in 16 years...and left my second church 2 years ago (2020) due to biblical differences...however before God opened my eyes to some of the errors, I too gave in to all those demonstration...even so I was not at peace about it... I think sometimes its the flesh as well...not wanted to look differents than others... The Word of God is our compass, the truth and we must double check everything with the Word of God in its context. There are a lot of practices in the church worldwide that are not biblical but have been accepted as being from God... As the bible mentioned and you mentioned...we must test the spirits and check their fruits. We must also check the motive of our heart daily with God. When someone ask me what denominations etc...are you from or beleive in... I respond: I am a bible believer christian, indwelled by the Holy Spirit guiding me in Spirit and in Truth, learning and growing in the understanding and knowledge of Christ as no denomination has it right and perfect all the time. And thank you for saying that "charismatic need to grow up in discernement" testing all things with the Word of God in its context. I will finish by saying that: "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16 NKJV" And "Hear, my children, the instruction of a father, And give attention to know understanding; For I give you good doctrine: Do not forsake my law. When I was my father’s son, Tender and the only one in the sight of my mother, He also taught me, and said to me: “Let your heart retain my words; Keep my commands, and live. Get wisdom! Get understanding! Do not forget, nor turn away from the words of my mouth. Do not forsake her, and she will preserve you; Love her, and she will keep you. Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding. Exalt her, and she will promote you; She will bring you honor, when you embrace her. She will place on your head an ornament of grace; A crown of glory she will deliver to you.” Hear, my son, and receive my sayings, And the years of your life will be many. I have taught you in the way of wisdom; I have led you in right paths. When you walk, your steps will not be hindered, And when you run, you will not stumble. Take firm hold of instruction, do not let go; Keep her, for she is your life. Do not enter the path of the wicked, And do not walk in the way of evil. Avoid it, do not travel on it; Turn away from it and pass on. For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; And their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness, And drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is like the shining sun, That shines ever brighter unto the perfect day. The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know what makes them stumble. My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings. Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart; For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh. Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life. Put away from you a deceitful mouth, And put perverse lips far from you. Let your eyes look straight ahead, And your eyelids look right before you. Ponder the path of your feet, And let all your ways be established. Do not turn to the right or the left; Remove your foot from evil. Proverbs 4:1-27 NKJV"
I think you guys did a great job on this video. One of the things that never seems to be discussed is the distinction between a manifestation of the Holy Spirit and human manifestations that result from a genuine encounter with the Holy Spirit.
The man is wrong on howard-browne,this stuff existed in old time/old line Pentecost for a hundred years in places where no one ever heard of a Hindu,great awakenings and frontier revivalism for 250 years!study pentecostal and holiness movements/john wesley had some pretty interesting meetings I recall!
“We have entire generations that can defend their favorite preacher but can’t defend the gospel.” Oh MAN! Lord forgive us, your people, for not loving You & Your word enough
I LOVE this show so much! Every time I watch, I feel like you all are my brothers. Thanks so much for being so pastoral and logical and sensitive and bold--all at the same time. I appreciate that rather than calling it Kundalini, you simply make room for it to be either A true working of God's Spirit or else a demonic manifestation that shows in God's presence. One of my cousins grew up in the charismatic space and is now, after studying anthropology in college, is totally into New Age. We had a talk about this, and she said "Other religions have experiences too." So this whole manifestation stuff got her tripped up because she had now theology of demons and testing of spirits. Teaching on this matter is SO VERY important in our day and age, when people are seeing so many things and not knowing how to sort through it. Thank you so much for clear, biblical teaching!
2 corth. 11 does gives us the warning that people will come claiming to be workers of righteousness, and that they will offer a spirit other than the one we already received vs.4. And Paul was mad cause they just put up with it. Scripture speaks of some manifestations but usually it happens to new converts, like josh mentioned in acts, or demon possessed people that are not Christians. I don't think that's what we are talking about here. Most of these Kundalini type manifestations that happen in the church seem to be from people that are already christians but are getting prayer to receive some fresh "impartation" of a spirit. Why would I need a spirit imparted to me if I already have the holy spirit? Why put up with ministers who claim to be able to give me more of the spirit?
I think we need to be more fair on the Brian Guerin stuff. I’ve been in his meetings and watch a lot of his stuff. There are few who love Jesus like he does. And when he speaks of dreams and angels he uses them to point to Jesus and not himself.
I think Strom throws it all out in Brownsville and other things .I was in Brownsville as a teenager. Fruit matters in testimony . David Wilkerson dealt with all this also. He takes Jonathan Edwards views usually. I experienced many similar experiences . I been laughing in private for 25 years. But nobody laid hands on me. In Classic Pentecostalism we seen manifestations like this since I was a kid before Brownsville and Toronto. I grew up around Lester Sumrall . He taught that demons counterfeit the Spirit. And I also was influenced by David Wilkerson. Sarah Edwards Encounters Angels and other things. I with Michael and the sons of Wimber. The book on the River is here by Melinda Fish is insights. JI Packer gave comments to the book or her insights. I like to personally separate the ORU empower 21 circle from some of these circles.
Love you guys for real!! You guys have blessed me immensely with your show and all the topics you guys talk about. I do have a criticism to make regarding Josh's mention of Brian Guerin and how he emphasis dreams and visions. I can understand how someone can see his teachings as very out there, but I would just encourage you to make a visit to his youtube channel and his recent teachings. He always teaches out of the bible and always affirms loving Jesus and being intimate takes priority than dreams visions etc. You guys should have him on the show.
Had a period of time that lasted maybe a year where I was having the involuntary head jerks almost whenever I was in prayer or worship or in the presence of either. My older brother was experiencing the same thing at the same time. We were both unsure of what was happening with it but ultimately decided that it didn’t change our standing before the Lord and settled on praising God the same way we would had the manifestations never started in the first place.
I think the commentators missed one main aspect of doctrine. The doctrine of laying on of hands- The main distinctive in many of these charismatic movements where these phenomenon is observed is the emphasis of imparting spiritual experiences through the laying on of hands. A well defined theology of "impartation" would make things clear.
Thank you guys sooo much for what you do! I discovered you guys through Heiser and Mike Winger . I completely agree with Josh on this. I came into the Charismatic movement and saw the issues that were prevalent. Being an academic myself, I felt mortified by theology and inclusion of every off brand teacher that doesn't fit orthodoxy. Through you guys I have hope for the movement. The blend of Spirit and scholars is truly what the Church needs. Thank you guys for what you do!
Thanks guys for this! It think we need not overlook the issue of scriptures when approaching this topic! Question, what is the spiritual benefit for Christians when they fall down? Is there a biblical encouragement or admonition regarding this? Do we have the same experiences in the Bible done by the prophets, Christ or apostles??? I say, “DON’T BELIEVE ANYTHING ABOUT GOD UNLESS IT IS IN THE BIBLE;AND DON’T TEACH ANYTHING ABOUT GOD UNLESS IT IS IN THE BIBLE.” So, do we have a scriptural back up regarding these experiences?
Why do we see all of these weird manifestations in the Charismatic and Pentecostal communities, but not outside of them? If being “slain in the spirit” caused people to manifest in the ways we see on within these movements, wouldn’t it happen at all the churches throughout the world?
Wow ... Never thought of it that way. Very good question. I was slain in the spirit for real in 2015 at a pentecostal church. Wasn't expecting it.. didn't ask for it. I was amazed when it happened and always believe it was the Lord until recently I've been questioning that experience along with many others as well. BUT... Like you just said.... Why isn't his happening in other churches!!??? Outside of charismatic/pentecostal/Nar!!?? 🤔
" What father among you, if his son asks for[a] a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”. Luke 11: 11-13
LOVE what is said around 32min in! The fruits are a way to tell. I've heard demonic tongues and a heavenly language and they sound exactly the same but thy fruits 'feel' different and one 'takes over" the person more.
This was SO good. As a charismatic I’ve found it so hard to frame conversation about the Holy Spirit manifestations to non charismatics. And you guys have helped give me some really good foundational questions by which to star those discussions. Thank you!!!!
What kind of encounters have you had that you believe are from the Holy Spirit? I’ve been involved in charismatic churches and for me personally my encounters have been simple like visions or prophecy being given to me. I encountered a lot of things that felt very off and not God to me. Thinking back a number of times I did twitch and convulse but it always felt off and I don’t do it anymore. It was like I could choose to do it because I get pressured. Didn’t feel like it was God. I also remember one conference at the Toronto blessing church all of my friends started talking silly and laughing saying they were “drunk in the spirit” and it took me awhile but something happened and I guess I came under the same spirit (wether it was God or not, I’m not sure) but I honestly felt intoxicated and trust me I know what that feels like lol. It felt good but also felt off. I don’t know how it impacted me in my walk with Jesus it didn’t really. Honestly would like to hear your opinions.
@@mcshiro1941 For me the largest manifestations of the Spirit in my life are God’s love being poured into my heart and loving him back. Secondly, it’s that the Spirit has given me a steadfast faith in who Jesus is and in the Gospel. These will ALWAYS be the most transformational and present experiences of the Holy Spirit in my life. Experiences that have healed me of so many different things, a lot of emotional wounds, identity crises and wrong thinking. But I will say there have been other moments as well of the Spirit’s presence and influence that have stood out. I’ve felt intoxicated during worship and prayer moments and this was BEFORE I had ever been drunk before. I often also feel a “weight” of the goodness and presence of God. Not an oppressive weight. But a weight that always causes me to worship Jesus. I’ve also had moments where God has give me an encouragement or scripture to share with another person that they have been really blessed by. I think when it comes to supernatural experiences the way I’ve always thought about it is, does this cause me to worship, celebrate or take pleasure in Jesus and the Christian community? I’ve also ‘faked’ supernatural experiences like you have as well and usually, when I look back, my focus at the time or afterwards wasn’t on Jesus. It was on myself - How I looked in front of others. Whether I was doing enough to please God etc. And lastly, with those genuine supernatural experiences, I’ve come to realise that actually I don’t always need to understand why God does what he does the WAY he does them. It’s just always about do I love him, take joy in him, am in awe of him, worship him? Feel free to ask any other questions if I haven’t explained that very well.
Hi Jarius, I appreciate your words. Experiences do nothing for our sanctification. Nor for our faith being rooted and grounded in love .when I was saved it was thru revelation of the gospel Truth. I was filled with love for Jesus, only the Holy Spirit gave the revelation of salvation thru Christ alone. The enormous joy of loving Jesus didn't come bc I hadn't come to know Jesus yet. It was the New Birth I was enjoying. If I never sense the presence of God again, this one thing I know, my faith is in Him and His. written words. When I go thru the floods they will not overwhelm me, when I go thru the fires, they will not consume me.
I missed the point of not letting eveybody lay hands on you in meetings. You're placing yourself under his spiritual authority and influence. Very dangerous. Not saying that you always get a kundalini from them. But you don't know what they are carying with Them if you don't know Them really. Escpecially firetunnels where everyone in the meeting can join
To be honest I was quite concerned about the direction this conversation was going. I was relieved to hear Josh put things back on the rails. The church as a whole and especially those in the Charismatic portion of the Ekklesia need to start reading the entire Bible and praying for discernment. The adversary is gaining power and influence in all areas of human existence and sadly the body of Christ is to easily deceived. I would interject that there is no specific “Kundalini Spirit” as most should have gathered from the video clip you played of Jagadish Vasudev (Sadhguru). Kundalini is more of a catch-all basket that contains any spiritual working in our physical realm. I was in the “Charismatic Movement” for almost twenty years of my journey with Adonai Elohim and Yeshua/Jesus. I saw many positive things and miracles happen in people's lives. However, the majority of what I saw was not glorifying to our God. Many of the services were a circus with people wailing like an ambulance speeding down the street, people running and crawling around the sanctuary barking like a dog, roaring like a lion, or flapping their arms like a chicken. Paul warned the most Charismatic congregation in the scriptures with - 1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order. In most Charismatic churches this is not the case. Many wonder why the gifts are not more powerfully operating in the church today. When the question that should be asked is - Are gathering together to worship and be in awe of the Holiness of our God? Sadly most in the “Charismatic Movement” are going to “church” gatherings to “Experience Jesus”. Where in scripture does utter chaos and people acting like animals bring glory to God’s Holiness? The church is supposed to be our gathering to learn and encourage each other to lives as Jesus did so that we can show the world the image of God in our lives. It is not supposed to be a Rave where we leave with the warm fuzzies proclaiming how awesome the experience was, as we speed out of the parking lot to be first in line at Golden Corral or Cracker Barrel. The other thing the majority of Charismatic congregations do not realize is that there are many witches and Satanists among their gatherings waiting for the leader to tell everyone to pray in their “Spirit language”; so they can begin pronouncing curses over the congregation. Church leaders need to be well aware that when they allow disorder they are giving cause for curses to come upon their flock, as it says in Proverbs 26:2 Like a flitting sparrow, like a flying swallow, So a curse without cause shall not alight. I know people who went to Toronto and Brownsville. Some were blessed and have lived lives for God. Some also returned packing critters (I am NOT saying they were possessed). However, they were being spiritually oppressed and tormented in various ways. This is why leaders need to be mindful of what they allow in their services, and the congregants need to be taught how to study and be encouraged to read their Bibles (all of it from Genesis 1:1-Revelation 22:21). Many leaders start off with sincerity and the well-being of their flock in mind. However, as the acclaim, numbers, and money increase; they are easily lured into letting anything go. If we all repent and start earnestly seeking God, Yeshua/Jesus, and praying for wisdom, knowledge, understanding, and discernment of His word; we will see His power operating in the world as it has not been witnessed in the world before.
Hi, you are straight on target. It is the pure Word of God that has power combined with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ that set man free from bondage of sin. Experiences carry no power for fruit. It is just a fleeting experience that leads to more experiences .Thank you and those who know the ways and thoughts of God.
"He will guide you into all truth" (Jn. 16:13). The Holy Spirit will let us know if someone has a demonic spirit...often times in my experience the demon will just "aggravate " you....there will be an absence of peace as well.
Interesting never heard of yoga this way. They keep it pretty downplayed. I have never done it but have heard of mostly women that use this for shaping themselves.
Although Acts 8 doesn’t say what they saw when they laid hands on them and received the Holy Spirit. We can assume they spoke in tongues as this is the only sign we see in all accounts in Acts when people were filled with the Holy Ghost.
Thanks for the episode, guys. Couldn’t agree more with your conclusion. Quick question for clarity. Early in the episode Josh said that the he’d learned there are counterfeit works (kundalini) and legitimate works of the Holy Spirit and that he’d found that unsatisfying. I am having a hard time discerning a difference between what he had heard and conclusion at the end of the video, aside from discern the spirit and examine n the fruit. Is there a difference from knowing there is counterfeit so we need to check the authenticity of the fruit and the source of that fruit that’s distinct from the conclusion about false works at the end of the video? Thanks for letting us join the discussion and for all you guys are doing. Blessings!
Western yoga is totally different to the real yoga taught in the Asian countries. Just like Kung Fu an other martial arts from overseas. Westerners get the watered down version to entice them to get involved.
logical fallacies are employed in philosophical realms, but they don't necessarily represent practicality. When you go to your doctor they are going to diagnose you based on the symptoms they observe. They can be wrong of course, but it is a mostly working system with trained professionals. So I think we need the same sort of maturity when we look upon these symptoms.
My pastor’s wife can get very vocal during worship at church. I don’t mind that, except there’s one particular thing she does that really confuses me: every now and again, she seems to get so worked up that she starts screeching in a high pitch voice. I actually find it quite distressing and I hate to say it, but it certainly doesn’t feel like it’s from the Holy Spirit. Would love it if anyone had any insight into this…
Which is "THE" Church? The Catholic, Orthodox or one of the thousands of Protestant churches or on of the others? Serious question The is such an incorrect term here I simply don't get it.
Hey guys... always love your stuff. Though I don't buy the theosophy-sophistry of 'Kundalini,' shouldn't we acknowedge there may be a psychosomatic component that correlates with the Charismatic experience? Is not 'eternal life' itself ('born-again,' 'new birth,' 'filled with the Spirit,' and other similar 'experiences' common to New Testament descriptions of 'spiritual' phenomena) a form awakening and renewal of our 'humanness?' I don't think we should dismiss this as a possibility. Maybe there are points of intersections in our humanness. Many observations in neurology seem to support this. Obviously Christ designed our psychological-physiological makeup to accommodate response to spiritual elements of our human constitution. I think we must acknowledge this. It may supply reason for the confusions we have with other issues too. The deeper we believe a matter, the more our body accommodates. How else do we explain things like symptoms of sickness in otherwise healthy bodies during times of emotional stress? Or, 'falling in love' with someone else's spouse? Or multiple personality disorders in which there actually appear to be changes in posture, voice, and etc.? Because we 'experience' some variety of psychosomatic phenomena does not argue for validity though. And isn't that real real point? We give way too much credibility to raw 'experience.' That is both naive and dangerous, and yet go a long way to give commentary on so much confusion we experience in many areas of our life, including our sexuality, spiritual beliefs, relationships, and self-understanding. We should know this by now, because many 'experiences' we have in life are so powerful, 'it must be true.' But they aren't always 'true,' right? We humans, and specifically us 'Charismatics,' need to 'grow up' and mature in discernment. The larger questions in life are not a matter to be decided by experience. We must accept that 'experience' must answer to a higher authority, if not our lives will NEVER be "conformed to the image of the Son." This is one of the very reasons God's Son, the 'Word,' was incarnate to straighten out some of the mess of human experience, shouldn't we agree? That possibly means there are 'universals' to human experience, and doesn't discount the reality of experience, but that doesn't mean that experience is a reliable test for TRUTH. For example, does a Hindu experience a difference when we all eat? Can a Christian and Hindu, or Muslim, or Atheist 'feel' pleasure or satisfaction alike when they eat what they prefer? Doesn't chicken kinda have a universal flavor, even if cooked in a variety of ways? But, would it not matter if there is poison mixed in the food? Wouldn't that be the main point? Again, we should know this. I absolutely believe we share a commonality of 'experience' with a Hindu, or a Atheist for that matter! But if I fall in love with a married woman (other than the one married to me) doesn't mean it is right, healthy, or wise. In fact it is damning in more ways than one! I may feel 'I cannot live without her,' just like I would the woman it is right morally to marry, but the damage and carnage many bring destruction upon generations! The Hindu, Atheist, or Charismatic can possibly share psychosomatic responses to what they believe are truths, but that ALONE never argues the validity of their experience. We all would do well to acknowledge this. But sometimes I believe we hide behind experience, too, because the truth about some the things we care about is not always palatable or pleasant.
Worded perfectly! “Does the sign lead people to Christ?” Reminds me of this scripture: “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.” 1 John 4:1-3 ESV You’ll know if it’s God if it leads people to Christ
What it sounds like one of you said is that he's suggesting that it was first a Holy Spirit thing before Hinduism hijacked it. Did I hear that right? And you're comparing a false prophet to an actual prophet of God that since they look the same or are called the same or say something similar, they must be the same? That's not a good, or even fair, comparison here. If we're gonna go by the Bible then go by the Bible. Your comparison suggest that, well, since it's a spirit, it must be the same as the Holy Spirit. Obviously, it's not when you look at the evidence given in the Bible of how the Holy Spirit works and acts. A false spirit is a false spirit. And what the Holy Spirit does is not do what this kundalini spirit does.
When you said “the charismatics will tolerate false teachers more than anybody I know”, I agree. It’s what made me start moving away from the charismatic preachers and churches I’m still remaining open minded tho. That’s why I’m listening to y’all. Keep talking about the stuff the others ignore. Love y’all 💙
I enjoyed some of Bill Johnson's sermons, but then I saw him plugging his family's books and noticed how he rambled instead of doing real exegesis of scripture (I probably got spoiled by watching too much Tim Mackie ;) and I completely lost my appetite for Bethel. Plugging their books was the worst - it would be so bizarre to do that type of thing in the church I grew up in in South Africa. One of my pastors, prof. Johan Cilliers, is a famous writer, but you wouldn't even know it just going to church. About kundalini, could you get Mike Shreve on? I'm vegan, BTW. Nothing evil about that, apart from it being politicised.
Bill Johnson probably doesn’t even know what the word exegesis means… He is a false teacher that twists scripture to suit his own agenda and should be avoided completely!
Okay I heard Mike Bickle…. I made it all the way to minute 57 and was somewhat very interested.. For some reason I thought you guys were reformed 🤔🤔🤔 I am loosing you more and more
You guys are not correct. Gurus lay hands on people as well. The Holy Spirt in my opinion is about self control. And to this doesn’t happen in the Bible . The boy was throwing himself around BEFORE he came to get delivered!
Wouldn’t this be akin to meat sacrificed to idols? Where if they attribute none of the poses to any of the idols, but just point to body strength and balance. While we listen to worship (Christian) music. We have a Christian yoga teacher, and she purposefully doesn’t categorize her yoga. It’s not in a temple but at a gym. I don’t think we can accidentally worship when we’re trying to work on balance and stretching??
The question you need to investigate is the prevalence of this sort of thing prior to the infusion of indian religion in the west from the 60s onwards. Was there spontaneous laughter, etc in churches before the "dark arts" made their way into the western consciousness? I don't believe it was, and there is evidence various cult leaders since have learned how to do this stuff from indian yogis. Also, "looks like, therefore is like" isn't a rock solid case for the conclusion. But, it isn't illogical to call it evidence. The morning star looks like the evening star, but they come out at different times so everyone believed they were different. But they are the same star (planet)!
Fair enough. But I do need some clarification. When you assert that sometimes people are just seeking "more of God"....can you please biblically explain how and why you believe people can get "more" of God beyond being reborn of the spirit. Also, in one of the parts of this video one of you refers to a time when someone experiences God and begins to shake "uncontrollably" .....I am concerned about that particular statement because in Galations it does state that a fruit of the spirit is self control. Can you speak more about this and why you think it is biblical to shake uncontrollably? I realize your not saying that everyone who shakes is experiencing the Holy Spirit, but can you clarify why you think this can EVER be God? Thank you.
Actually the word yoga means to yoke yourself to whatever deity the yoga posture is yoking you to, whether it be Krishna, or Bramha or Vishnu, or Ganesh or the supposed founder of yoga, Shiva himself etc. Hinduism is very vast religion with their own subsects of preferred deities Etc and yoga accommodates them all, since there are a variety of yoga positions and postures that are dedicated to each one of the so-called deities in Hinduism.
One of the aspects of your show that blesses my heart the most is seeing the friendship and playfulness between y’all. Thank you for your endeavoring to bring solid analysis of ideas and clarity to the body of Christ!
Kundulini "awakening" is very different from the physical effects that occur with the presence of the Holy Spirit. Even the shaking effect is different. Kundalini is something that is induced with deliberate effort, progressively, and sometimes by extreme practices (in the case of one unusual sect, tongue swallowing to induce short term suffocation). You have to work to induce it. This is not something that gets passed on by the laying of hands or something that jumps on you. The fruit of Kundalini is often bad such as deteriorating mental health and the lack of normal life functioning. Even among those seeking it, it is acknowledged as being dangerous, potentially life threatening. By contrast, experiencing a physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit is not induced by special practices or effort, happening instead when the Holy Spirit wills it and often happens (at least the first time) when someone wasn't looking for it or didn't know what to expect. It has positive fruit, often can be refreshing, with no loss of mental health or general life functionality, and often an increase in both. More than one study has been done regarding the deleterious effects of Kundalini. No such deleterious effects are evidenced generally among charismatics as a result of physical manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Anyone saying the physical effects observed with charismatics are really Kundalini has not actually done solid research regarding Kundalini.
Interesting topic but you spent most of your time criticizing the equivalence that the author of the book makes instead of discussing the topic itself, it was a lot of time spinning in the same circuit and not solid arguments on the topic
I’d disagree on the assessment of Brian Guerin but love your show. I think lumping him into the list of other people you said was wrong. His book on Godly character is great. And he constantly is preaching the gospel, secret place, and obedience to the Holy Spirit and scriptures. His teachings are constantly straight scripture and leading to deeper love of Jesus. He does teach on dreams and visions... as did John Paul Jackson and other amazing godly men. Love you guys but as someone familiar and impacted by his ministry I would disagree he’s just out here wild preaching sloppy christology. Blessings. 🙏
Isaiah 61:10 “I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.” King James Version (KJV)
Would definitely disagree about Brian Guerin yes he does release prophetic words and dreams god shows him but how is that unbiblical? To the core of his teaching and heart he just want’s people to build there own personal relationship with Jesus he certainly points me to Jesus and want to know him on a more deeper and real scale!!
Seems like there are so many additional spirits in the Church other than "the mind of Christ" Spirit 😟 We saints in America ALL need globs of JESUS BRAND eyesalve for our Laodicean vision disease 😵
It seems to me that the accounts of Jesus touching people and them manifesting in these ways always seemed to be non-believers. So are you saying that everybody who manifests truly in this way are not saved?
Thank you so much for this video! I find myself trying to walk through this conversation regularly and asking for discernment to do so. Great, balanced discussion. Just subscribed to the channel and looking forward to more from you.
That guru seemed like he was really, really fed up of explaining kundalini. Also, I can't take yoga people seriously because I've never heard one giggle about the idea of having a chakra in your bum.
So I work hard to find Christ worshipping fellow believers from different streams to stretch me and brothers: keep doing what you are doing. I'm a practical cessationist but my heart is the same as ya'lls: I don't want to say something the Holy Spirit did was evil ever, but then I play it safe and don't pursue Him, which I can't stay in that place. What resonates across all expressions you also hit on: discernment all over evangelicalism is practically non-existent coupled with total impotence to call out false teaching and yes false teachers. Barna did a 2019 survey - 65% of Americans call themselves Christians but only 6% have a Biblical worldview ( to speak to the lack of discernment). To apply James , "Can such a faith save" i.e. can such a non-Biblical worldview impart wisdom and discernment? No!
I’m sorry, Tracy Campbell shakes her head just terribly… I will never go to any of these conferences that have spirits… many of my dearest concerned too.. more has to be taught about this.
I think sone times these manifestations are peoples programed physical reactions to the filling of the Holy Spirit … they sense Gods power and react the same way they’ve seen others react , i don’t necessarily think The Spirit is MAKING all of these people do these things
