Ladder Combos - True and Untrue (Analysis of Marss at Genesis 7)

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An analysis of Marss' ladder combos at Genesis 7, and why he chose to go for some and not others. Plus a full breakdown of some of my own ladder combos and what to do when they're not true.
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Think of this as an extension to "EVERYTHING About Boost Kick". If you haven't seen that, go check it out here:
• ZSS: EVERYTHING About ...
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@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

6:05 should say “short hop up air” from the platform.

@thunderd7904 4 года назад

Hell ya! Another amazing ZSS guide by Orio! Think you could go into the fine details of plasma whip next? Or maybe Zair combos?

@srome4088 4 года назад

As always improving the ZSS comunity. Thanks a lot

@Zoronii 4 года назад

Airdodge read flipkick might be my new favorite ZSS thing. It just looks so stylish.

@Bdubuc0401 4 года назад

Watching Marss as well as your videos really inspired me to main ZSS, and I'm glad you were able to confirm Marss doing the correct options at G7. I hated listening to people who don't know the specifics giving him flak for not going for the boost kick, even though they would've whiffed and left him in free fall for an easy KO. Your videos have gotten me so far with ZSS, and I love watching every one because they teach me something new every time. Keep up the good work!

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Music from my edgy phase. Orio is now a metal channel 🤟

@Halcypian 4 года назад

You came back at the time when I was about to pick up this character, how amazing!

@mnoypoiuyt65r4w8 4 года назад

Daddy?

@Star_Taro 4 года назад

What I learned: Marss knows what he's doing and I can bait out an air dodge to flip kick spike

@RamikinHorde 3 года назад

yeah, they commentators criticizing Marss when they don't understand ZSS was really tilting me. Dude knows what's up

@kylekeenliside 4 года назад

Even though I am god awful with ZSS, I always love your videos. They're so well edited and insightful

@gracefulcharity8412 4 года назад

Honestly I do agree completely with this. Plus he played it smart what's the point of even risking trying to hit at that time especially with him being at kill % Always look forward to your vids always fantastic work !!

@FrenzyLight 4 года назад

You make everything Beautiful 😍

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

No u

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

Isn’t it amazing when someone who has more subs than u gives you a comment! It’s like when Bathaniel Nandy commented on an Introspective vid XD

@louisvuittondonvg9040 3 года назад

you have one of the best ultimate channels on YT

@lewismatos7835 4 года назад

This is truly the best channel for ZSS content

@genobreaker1054 4 года назад

I am also fascinated by ZSS's ladder combo. The best I ever been at Smash was in Smash 64, with Pikachu, and I did something very similar by hitting with the tail at ground level repeatedly, then arial tail attacks, and finishing with Thunder to pull them off the top of the map. I don't have a Switch, so when I play, I play Smash 4 on 3DS. I usually write off the Boost Kick, I always preferred her Up B in Brawl, but this always fascinates me with the proof, time and time again, that Boost Kick is something I really should be using!

@LxZLink 4 года назад

Awesome video:) super informative as always! There's something so special about hitting that one move that will setup into a ladder and thinking to yourself "if i don't mess this up, your death is imminent and there's nothing you can do about it". Zss is beautiful!

@joecripps8442 4 года назад

Cheers for another sick video, love the slow metal and how clear you explain it

@jobliar937 4 года назад

Nobody: STAWBs Orio: *ZED* SS

@xPlatinumGhost 4 года назад

Some of these setups are so hard online with lag involved. Great guide yet again👍

@LarryNoir 4 года назад

I picked up ZSS a few months ago because she is flashy as hell and looks cool. I still suck, but your videos and Marss sets have been great learning tools.

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

same bro, i learn so much from watching marss, but orio is my main scource of knowledge XD

@uchihajunior5648 4 года назад

i did not play ZSS, but after watching your guides on her, i gave her a try, and now i'm training to make her my secondary, i really like your videos, and also wished there was at least one guider that goes as in-depht on each character as you for every character on the game.

@fordprefect5104 4 года назад

Another great and informative video thank you.

@genobreaker1054 4 года назад

The fact that explaining a pro player's decision requires a frame by frame analysis and multiple recreations by a mathematician, for something Marss made a call on on the fly, just goes to really highlight the level these pros are on. Holy crap...

@Arian-xw8ib 4 года назад

It's amazing, watch the video of the combos ladder and I see that you just uploaded another one, it's very owo the matter.

@projectfar1956 3 года назад

A fire analysis

@DarkThomy 4 года назад

Just recently picked up on ultimate's zss and your videos... Glad you still make new ones ! I'd hope for a zair in depth video..

@tiborjemelin1684 4 года назад

I think you are one of my favorite smash youtubers!! Realy cool Vids keep it up👍

@alejandromaldonadoanaya6141 4 года назад

oye soy de Mexico, estaba viendo tus videos y me ayudaron mucho en mejorar con este personaje gracias

@originalph00tbag 4 года назад

I'm glad you're around setting the record straight on ZSS in general. My rule of thumb on executing this combo is really only to go for combos that you call "of the first kind." It's a pretty clear visual cue, since the opponent slows vertical movement basically at the same time as ZSS and right in front of her. It's very clear you're about to hit a guaranteed Boost Kick. I'm a little less concerned about KOing, though. All about style points with me.

@-zod-4882 4 года назад

Weird coincidence. I play you once. Then RU-vid recommended your channel to me. Lol. very good quality vid btw

@_soulgamez_3104 4 года назад

Why do you have so few subs? U deserve more! Ur such a wonderful youtuber

@KaiCalimatinus 4 года назад

Heckin rad, as always

@criddyboy124 4 года назад

Can you do a vid on how to get better with her? Just like general tips or something cuz I want to learn ZSS so bad but idk where to start

@apnpawaw3448 4 года назад

unrelated to the video but I just love the name "Orio"

@KodakKid33 4 года назад

I don't really understand ladder combos of the second kind; why would missing the first hit of boost kick kill any earlier?

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

At the same percentage, they wouldn’t. It’s just a matter of hitting the boost kick at a much later percentage.

@KodakKid33 4 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio So at later percents, up air sends the opponent too far away for boost kick 1 to connect? That's why it has to be hit 2?

@shoutyshout1331 4 года назад

@@KodakKid33 Precisely that.

@isaiahchand9389 4 года назад

So excited love ur vids! Taught me so much got me pumped to play the game. Would love to see a orio style vid talking about Zair and plasma whip! Thanks again

@raneanubis 4 года назад

didn't even know ZSS has rage!!!! the level of depth of this character is nuts!!

@clement_jacob 4 года назад

Every character has rage ?

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

umm... every charachter in the game has rage...

@raneanubis 4 года назад

@@sealvain6810 I actually had no idea. I guess ZSS is so easy to kill once she hits about 100% I didn't notice the difference.

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

raneanubis honestly thats fair shes so light

@The_Gronne 4 года назад

Wait, someone else uses Ori as their profile icon? I feel like I just found my long lost brother

@Nicholas-iw2xc 4 года назад

zed ess ess

@38Jemar 4 года назад

See? Ladders are cool too!

@lalitaditya4448 4 года назад

Do you guys know the best controller setup for a pro controller while using zss?

@athena1906 4 года назад

There’s not a specific control setup that’s best, but for zss you find a lot of people using a shoulder button as jump and another one as special with high stick sensitivity, if they don’t use something along the lines of that they use default most of the time, like marss does

@sirwilczek1813 4 года назад

January starts with overhyped global events and february starts with THIS! We live in a bright timeline afterall

@contentman6999 4 года назад

this damn bunny is so smug

@beefbelly 4 года назад

The last clip with jiggly was that the second hit of Fair into flip kick?

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Yup

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

We use opposite alts... literally on opposite sides of the color spectrum. Yes. Good.

@wisl9860 4 года назад

U should make a video about nair! Move is crazy

@amadeus645 4 года назад

Hi, when I try to ladder combo, I am able to bring my opponent in the position where I now have to up-b. However, often I cannot connect the up b and my opponent just air dodges it. What should I do to improve this?

@cherrynot2270 4 года назад

fuck yeah awesome video

@edumacation4583 3 года назад

Pretty much not riskin is for the biscuit situation

@bionicallyacomputer292 3 года назад

Noice

@toastedtarts4044 4 года назад

@1:33 what is the units of measurement when the narrator says the top blast zone is 180?

@smaugazs1406 4 года назад

Hi ! Super contained your channel ! Hi would like to know you’re best controller setting for a GameCube pads for jumps thanks you guys and continue you work is crazy 👌

@threethej_rock 4 года назад

proof marss killed kpop :(( good video orio!

@lorenzovismara9385 4 года назад

My question is: how the hell was Marss able to react so fast and to perfectly time those U-airs?! What do you think is the best controller set-up for Zss?

@Max-tq5fs 4 года назад

Almost every seasoned ZSS can do this, after grinding those out for months if not years it just becomes second nature and gut feeling is all you need. The uAir timing isn't even really timed, it's just inputs done asap and then adjusting/reacting to the height the opponents pops off to. Optimal controller setup for zss is shoulder button jump and one shoulder button for special for ez wavebounces and having your thumb free for the c stick but afaik marss uses default so you can make everything work if you work hard enough.

@lorenzovismara9385 4 года назад

Max I have the jump also on the R button but I find it useful only for buffered aerials, do you use it for shorthops with delayed U-airs or double-jumps during a ladder combo? I honestly don’t find it optimal with the GC controller

@lorenzovismara9385 4 года назад

Max I’m seriously asking your opinion

@Max-tq5fs 4 года назад

@@lorenzovismara9385 Personally I'm using z jump on GCC and I don't have any other jump button and no tap jump. I know people who have LR jump on GCC and also don't have another jump button. You just have to grind it out.

@lorenzovismara9385 4 года назад

Max I have both Y and R as jump button

@SpartaZSS 4 года назад

Yesss

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

Do you have an instagram? I don’t have a Twitter... Also ur vids are amazing

@exantan9050 4 года назад

THIS IS GOLD

@rumpleforeskin6998 4 года назад

Ay, you think playing smash 4 on emulator against CPUs is OK for practice? I don't own a switch :)

@gileswebinger8147 4 года назад

Pikachu has a frame 2 air dodge???

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Yup. As does ZSS.

@silvesta5027 4 года назад

Bruh is this guy from England? The ‘zed ess ess’ makes me think so :)

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@Shmossis 3 года назад

Rip

@suhayo3042 4 года назад

Ur epic vro

@jackmullenbach6351 4 года назад

Kinda hope my main gets nerfed so I can pick up zss

@MediumDon 4 года назад

You can pick her up now if you want to!

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

Donovan Phillips true

@lewismatos7835 4 года назад

If someone could train me with ZSS :'(

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

I do coaching

@lewismatos7835 4 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio Discord? I sent u a request :')

@sovietsparkles 4 года назад

your voice reminds me of internet historian

@wubblyjubbly 4 года назад

hello I’m the guy who asked if you like chicken sandwiches and chair from Twitter

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

👋

@jackwei7785 4 года назад

Stop saying Pichu!

@Sugarist0 4 года назад

The way u say “z” is confusing me

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

he isnt saying z.........

@reeceulf 4 года назад

1:10 - 3:02 Is just essentially "It wouldn't have killed" lmao

@chasedamoni3620 4 года назад

Do you not know what the word “analysis” means? He was explaining exactly why it wouldn’t have worked, even going so far as to near perfectly recreate the situation the players were in, frame data and all.

@reeceulf 4 года назад

Upset gamer

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

I would be quite flattered if you just took my word for it that it wouldn’t have killed, ngl.

@reeceulf 4 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio But I did

@JEANS__ 4 года назад

lol u sound nothing like what id someone who runs some furry oc smash channel would sound like. carry on then righto

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

How many furry oc smash channels do you know? 😏

@jaminstern1709 4 года назад

It's not an oc, it's a character named Ori from a game called Ori and the Blind Forest :)

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Nah. We look very similar, and have similar names, but no relation.

@jaminstern1709 4 года назад

STAWBs Orio not to mention the Ori and the Blind Forest font used in the intro 🤔 solid choice of avatar though, it’s a seriously underrated and beautiful game