Optimising Fair - ZSS's DEADLIEST Combo

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An insanely detailed guide to ZSS's most lethal punish!
#Zedessess
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Timestamps
Background: 0:00
tl;dr: 7:05
The Nair: 7:21
The Fair Window: 7:58
The Nair-Fair Overlap: 10:20
Characters: 12:52
The Fast Fall Window: 14:48
The Flip Kick: 17:14
Mispacing/timing: 17:29
Non-"true" combo: 18:15
Variations - Early Fair: 19:28
Variations - Late Fast Fall: 21:54
DI Mixups: 22:18
Credits: 24:33
Equinox's video on Neutral Air: • ZSS 101 - Comboing wit...
Meta of Smash's video on C-stick fast falling: • NEW TECH! C Stick Fast...
Special thanks to Frenzy Light for his help and thumbnail.
Sound mixing by Adrian Martin
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Original Orio artwork by Alex Frasca.
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13 июл 2024

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Комментарии : 136

@FrenzyLight 4 года назад

Masterpiece. That’s all that needs to be said

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

“Thats all that needs to be said” And Thats all that needs to be said, or this comment would not be the same ;0;

@jj6148 4 года назад

I’m gonna learn this and wreck people.

@BernieTTV 4 года назад

1.land Nair as close as possible 2.short hop very very slightly delay Fair 3.fast fall after first hit connects 4.flip kick spike (When landing Nair let go of the left stick to stop your forward momentum. I’ve found it to be more consistent that way.)

@skytterbrain_ 4 года назад

Title: ZSS’s Deadliest Combo Actual Title: ZSS Bullies Marth for 25 Minutes ft. Some Other Characters No but awesome guide! You put a lot of effort into this, and it shows! Thanks for another great video!

@SallowDawn 4 года назад

You are a godsend to noobs like myself attempting to learn ZSS. Could you please do a video on edge-guarding with her?

@isaacmiller1481 3 года назад

yes

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Some things worth pointing out for the sharper-eyed: 1) The “Nair Hitstun” axis in the frame graphs also does not include the startup of the forward air. I thought this way would be less confusing. 2) The demonstration on Bowser is at slightly higher % than stated. This is to show he still hits the ground before his hitstun is over at these percentages.

@NeonNebs 4 года назад

Hey guys if you are struggling with the fast fall timing while trying to hit fair 2, I found a way I was able to consistently hit it. You can do it by inputting down on the left control stick as soon as you hear the first hit of fair 1. This works because of the use of c stick fast falling as explained in the video.

@darkishnewt 4 года назад

I do this as well

@Joeks0303 4 года назад

Yessssssss! I’ve been waiting for content from you for ages, but I know whenever you post, it will be amazing quality and will be more than well worth the wait.

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

join the discord... shhh

@JLee-yc1jz 4 года назад

I’ve recently began seriously improving my ZSS and I really appreciate the amount of information each of your videos contains, keep up the good work.

@Edheldinasd 4 года назад

Landed it during an arena match! awesone AF. thanks a bunch mate!

@qwerty1271780 4 года назад

... Huh?! Oh, uh, of course I was taking notes.

@nousername191 4 года назад

Don't worry, there's a replay button if you wanna take more notes.

@Naikou_i_guess 4 года назад

Just this sweet and calm voice keeps me training my zss. (uwu)

@BaselardFE 4 года назад

The sheer amount of effort you put into this is staggering! Amazing job!

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

😪

@omniboo1762 4 года назад

Can't wait to practice the timings then fall victim to Nintendo online

@jonathanhargraves2241 3 года назад

Good grief. It feels like you aren't in control at all some times

@jackswain742 4 года назад

How lucky for me. Only just recently picked up zss, but working on making her the main after having so much fun. Your videos are incredibly thorough and well made. Really earning every sub

@plumily4197 4 года назад

Keep up the godlike videos, changing the ZSS meta. The ZSS community loves ya Orio

@odin5794 4 года назад

Absolutely wonderful video. I’m already labbing. Keep up the good work and I hope your channel blows up

@sealvain6810 4 года назад

Wow Yogi’s mix does make it better O-O I thought i wouldn’t even notice but man it’s rlly amazing! Keep up the good work, and rlly thank Yogi!

@raspberry3189 4 года назад

Great work as always! I always find myself learning something I didn't already know when I watch your vids :>

@EDENSSBU 4 года назад

Been waiting for this

@artezac 4 года назад

Yoooooo, loved the video mate, keep up the great content!

@Notgosling_ 4 года назад

Wow, this was a really cool video, never knew you could implement fair like this! I've always loved playing ZSS since Smash 4 and just recently got more comfortable with how she plays in this iteration, so I'll definitely be labbing this. Subbed and looking forward to more!

@jj6148 4 года назад

Wow! I used her since ssb4 too. I always knew fair was underrated but not by this much!

@mondaiji679 4 года назад

I just started picking up zss (honestly way to late if I think about it. I should have realized sooner how much I like this char) and your videos are a blessing tbh. I am definitely not the best smash player but improving is fun and while watching your videos I learned 1 or 2 more phrases I did not know until now. Keep up the awesome work!

@joecripps8442 4 года назад

Another sick video!

@eboki1641 4 года назад

thank you for the content you put out, it really makes playing smash more fun trying to learn new things like this

@fordprefect5104 4 года назад

Amazing video, as always.

@EthanGamble95 4 года назад

I recently subbed to u, and got a notification about this when you first uploaded it, but I was busy at the time and never got around to watching it, but I'LL BE EARLY NEXT TIME! Here I am at least, lol. I'm still a Cloud main, gotta stay loyal to my spiky haired boi with a big sword, but I'm picking up ZSS as a secondary now. I've gotten pretty good playing as her. I know I've commented this on your other videos, but I can't reiterate this enough. I started watching these to give my girlfriend, a beginner at the game and ZSS main, tips. I started watching these to give SOMEONE ELSE tips, yet these are so in-depth, yet easy to understand, that I'm picking them up myself! Lol I really enjoy these! ZSS mains, honestly, get the best guides of any character I've seen so far, and it's all thanks to you!

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

One of us. One of us.

@EthanGamble95 4 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio I shouldn't have laughed so hard at this reply but I did LOL

@Mori-ej9lr 4 года назад

Perfect video and great editing. I recently picked up ZSS my self!

@brb23960 4 года назад

God damn this was a great video. It might be 3am but it was worth staying up on RU-vid to find this channel

@DashKappei690 4 года назад

You gave me motivation to lab today. Thank you Orio!

@MetaOfSmash 4 года назад

Ayeee!! Amazing video dude!! Also the shout out was hype!

@gracefulcharity8412 4 года назад

I noticed this to. Mind you I never really took the time to actually lab it out. I figured it was just cuz of internet or something. So thank you for this confirmation and the how-to !!! Very good video as usual !!!

@jamesyoung4604 4 года назад

Incredible video! Very informative and cool

@Y3zzir 2 года назад

The way you say Zss tickles me, nice voice and good video

@maxdetni1381 4 года назад

Great video my dude! My ZSS is on the grind again xD

@sosasmh9887 4 года назад

I will be reviewing this for the next 4 days thank you

@shoutyshout1331 4 года назад

An Orio video

@heldemsilva4983 4 года назад

Incredible video, congrats!

@sukmykrok3388 2 года назад

Best Sexy Suit Samus video I've seen yet! Very helpful!

@seolifpsb7924 4 года назад

I have nothing to say, perfect as always

@Diddykong8775 4 года назад

Thanks for this!!

@sir_ram3nd783 3 года назад

The editing is very nice👍 and the vid too

@adamyohan 4 года назад

This was amazing.

@Bean_Burrito00 4 года назад

omg i just finished and i just realized that u said my last name without butchering it finally someone said it right im so happy.

@fridolinrinke9099 4 года назад

Orio you magnificent bastard, you did it again! Great video. Now the only thing left is for Mitten to nitpick :)

@bluyu 4 года назад

The best ZSS combo tree yet

@rihalleo9229 2 года назад

this is so difficult but at least i understand better how to do it now and i should be able to learn how to do it so thank you.

@darkdiamonds4337 3 года назад

I saw ori and I’m instantly in love. Ori and Xbox are so Underated

@Isaac-mg1vh 4 года назад

YEAH BABY, LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@darkishnewt 4 года назад

This is amazing, I’ve used it on my friend

@jaxsonfanta5420 4 года назад

I absolutely love. LOVE!!! Seeing in my subscriptions that you made a ZSS video. You never disappoint sir. Seriously thank you so much.

@MikeCornejo 4 года назад

Maestro 🙌🏻

@TomberryGG 4 года назад

Thank you.

@Faber892 3 года назад

i saw someone pull this off in a tournament and i couldnt help but think of it as the orio combo

@PenguinTr4sh 4 года назад

I started playing primarily in ultimate, and I main joker because I like the persona series, but ZSS’s playstyle is so interesting and so fun that I can’t stop just choosing her when I want to practice, even though I suck with her LOL

@colmm7106 4 года назад

god tier

@Max-tq5fs 4 года назад

Insane

@Rikka584 3 года назад

This combo was ngl really easy to learn and get used to

@bond3161 2 года назад

I love you. I think you can explain this in 2 sentences rather than 25 mins. Get 2 hits of fair, delay the start of fair slightly, and fast fall after the first hit but such that the second hit hits close to the ground. Isn't that it

@matthewgreenewald9219 4 года назад

You keep me playing zss and not dropping her for pika

@joolian4763 4 года назад

Lol I've tried going to Pika a few times but I always come back to sheik.

@matthewgreenewald9219 4 года назад

Mega Mecha I like pika but people give me shit for it you know.

@willgoodwin9867 4 года назад

I think eventually as the meta advances, ZSS could be #1 in the game, provided not being nerfed

@CarlosSantos-qv6nc 4 года назад

Same

@skylargalbraith7121 3 года назад

Yes stay with the badass don’t leave her for that annoying spamming thunder rat

@Radical_Dreamers 3 года назад

Thanks I can't wait to not being able to pull this off against actual players

@TheAxeliono 4 года назад

I always knew in my heart zss had so much more depth and potential than people gave her credit for

@H4ri4n 3 года назад

Good luck performing it now, the nair landing lag makes it very hard, 2 frames makes a big difference. Second good luck for nair, nair flipkick, that's very frame perfect.

@edumacation4583 3 года назад

Z S S = Zero F*cks given Oops, I zuck at spelling.

@dubspot3952 4 года назад

for platform stages and at higher %, could you landing nair -> delayed shff uair -> fh+dj uair -> landing uair -> fh+dj uair -> boost kick?

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Yes, but nair-> delayed up air ladder is very DI dependent.

@gualberto1222 3 года назад

Zeresez zeresez zeresez

@MrBallsackMan 2 года назад

does this still work because zss had some changes done to her in one of the updates

@perrygriffin8900 4 года назад

wut in tarnation!

@c1iff0rd54 4 года назад

Do you know exactly which characters the frame perfect version is required for? Sorry don't want to overwork you love the video :)

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

It’s hard to be exactly sure, because on characters the universal timing doesn’t work on the positioning starts to become important, but in my testing I was able to only get the frame perfect version on: Cloud, Samus/Dark Samus, Isabelle, Link, Ivysaur, Peach/Daisy, Toon Link, Villager, Wii Fit, Zelda

@c1iff0rd54 4 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio thank you so much!

@keithtestaverde3712 3 года назад

How do you fast fall after hitting the 1st hit of fair? The game isn't letting me... it makes me finish the move...

@JP-jd8wc 2 года назад

the stare at 21:05 LOL

@SaiyanMedic 4 года назад

I smell another nerf in the near future😫😭

@fakyuokay 4 года назад

ZSS is the most deadliest character in the game, hands down

@ethanvanetten7905 4 года назад

Uh oh back to the lab again

@bashtstyle7842 Год назад

Can this still be done? i noticed you're using the fast fall before the neutral air on a short hop, i cant do it.

@yamsang0__0 Год назад

Zss’s nair got nerfed to have more landing lag. So this combo is harder now

@ducokniepstra8217 2 года назад

I got this video recommended. Does anyone know if the combo is still true?

@STAWBsOrio 2 года назад

Yes it is. See the latest video on my channel about the nerfs.

@audi_0648 3 года назад

Any body have tips on how to make this work vs cpt falcon? I can do a bunch of characters no issue, but not cpt falcon

@STAWBsOrio 3 года назад

It pretty much never works as a true combo on Falcon, he just falls too fast and his tumble animation is weird.

@audi_0648 3 года назад

@@STAWBsOrio thank you Orio! Keep up the good work with your amazing videos!

@VityaSF 4 года назад

im not able to hit the down b any tips?

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i0M87FrMsec.html

@joshdove2977 3 года назад

I'm having an incredibly hard time pulling this off in patch 11.0. Used to be able to do this fluently.

@joshdove2977 3 года назад

its still possible but it feels so much tighter than it was before, crazy how an additional 2 frames of landing lag can make a combo like this that much harder to pull off.

@FaMix_ 3 года назад

Yeah I've been trying for hours and it's incredibly tight, maybe frame perfect, I can't use it anymore honestly, it's just more frustrating than fun

@dancarroll3945 3 года назад

Yeah it's super situational now. Gotta condition your opponent to hold in or up on your nair Well spaced nair/bair does a good job at that However a good player will notice you not spacing your landing nair when going for this and treat the situation different... Super situational

@ChrisPepper1989 4 года назад

Orio what are you doing to me! I *just* bought fighter pack vol1 with the aim to learn Joker and now.... Well I think you know who's coming to the lab with me now

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Guess the... joke’s on you 😏

@arusu6478 3 года назад

I don't remember Orio having a semi-british accent in any of the Orio games.

@sleepy_wendigo 3 года назад

Its like you have a PhD in ZSS tech

@jubernavarrete3807 3 года назад

Is this still a true combo?

@STAWBsOrio 3 года назад

Yes

@sirwilczek1813 4 года назад

Zedessess sux, most of the cast would take two stocks from that smh

@antoniodavid3794 2 года назад

The landing lag of Nair is now frame 8 which wouldn’t make it a true combo any mor :(

@bloodydoll5897 4 года назад

ngl your videos validate the way I pronounce z but they cause language distress at the same time which is like the more you know about language the worse you get at language EXCEPT IT'S LIKE ONLY FOR MY FIRST LANGUAGE?? LIKE THIS ISNT ME USING FRENCH WORDS IN NORWEGIAN THIS IS ME BEING DISTRESSED AT ENGLISH IN ENGLISH DKSKSKKSUDKFKFLSKJ

@STAWBsOrio 4 года назад

Zed gang 🙏

@paulmhessing 3 года назад

Has Marss seen this?

@STAWBsOrio 3 года назад

Nope

@panzerldr5724 2 года назад

Watching a 25 minute video showing off a cool combo with ZSS fair just makes me really sad about Mii Brawler fair. For those unaware, Mii Brawler's fair is a lot like ZSS's except... it is literally 1 frame away from being able to auto cancel. So we can't really combo with it.