LATENCY TEST: 23 amp modelling pedalboards compared! Quad Cortex vs, FM3 vs Helix vs BOSS vs NUX....

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In this video we will check out the latency of 23 amp modelling pedalboards, that are: the BOSS FX 100 and the GT 1000, the Quad Cortex, the Fractal FM3, the Kemper Stage, the Line 6 Helix, HX Stomp and POD GO, the NUX MG 30, MG 300 and Amp Academy, the Mooer GE 150, 250 and 300, the Zoom G11, the Valeton GP 200, the Head Rush GigBoard and MX5, the Ampero and the Stomp 2, the Strymon Iridium, the Universal Audio Dream 65, and the Harley Benton DNA FX PR. Therefore a pretty massive work that has taken a lot of time and effort and that I hope you are gonna enjoy and find useful. And if so, please subscribe and ring the bell, as it would help me to make more videos like this!
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▶ LATENCY DEEP DIVE TESTS:
Quad Cortex vs BOSS GX 100 vs NUX MG 30: • Quad Cortex vs BOSS GX...
Line 6 Helix LT vs HX Stomp vs POD GO: • Line 6 Helix LT vs HX ...
Kemper: • Kemper Latency test: d...
Ampero Stomp II: • Ampero Stomp II Latenc...
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OTHER VIDEOS:
▶ Pedalboards demo review:
BOSS GX 100 demo and review: • BOSS GX 100: Detailed ...
Valeton GP 200 demo and review: • Valeton GP 200: demo a...
Ampero Stomp II demo review: • Ampero Stomp II: demo ...
Fractal FM3 demo review: • Fractal Audio FM3: Dem...
Neural DSP Quad Cortex Demo Review: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Neural DSP Quad Cortex Unleashed: • Quad Cortex Unleashed:...
HeadRush MX5: • Headrush MX5: Demo and...
NUX MG 30 demo review: • NUX MG 30: Demo and Re...
Pedalboards Latency: • The most extensive amp...
Kemper Stage demo review: • Kemper Profiler Stage ...
POD GO demo review: • LINE 6 POD GO: Demo & ...
Zoom G11 demo review: • Zoom G11: Demo and Rev...
Zoom G6 demo review: • ZOOM G6: Demo & Review...
Valeton GP 100 demo review: • Valeton GP 100: demo a...
NUX MG 300 demo review: • NUX MG 300: Demo & Rev...
Mooer GE 300 lite demo review: • Mooer GE 300 Lite: Dem...
Mooer GE 250 demo review: • Mooer GE 250: Demo & R...
Mooer GE 150 demo review: • Mooer GE 150: Demo / R...
▶ Modeling pedalboards comparison videos:
BOSS GX 100 vs POD GO: • BOSS GX 100 vs Line 6 ...
BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000 tech spec compared: • BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000...
BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000 sound comparison:
BOSS GX-100 vs GT-1000: • BOSS GX 100 vs GT 1000...
HeadRush MX-5 vs NUX MG-30: • HeadRush MX 5 vs NUX M...
HeadRush MX-5 vs POD GO: • Headrush MX 5 vs Line ...
HeadRush MX-5 vs Ampero: • HeadRush MX 5 vs Hoton...
HeadRush MX-5 vs Mooer GE 250: • HeadRush MX5 vs Mooer ...
Quad Cortex vs Fractal FM3: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Fractal FM3 - effects comparison: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Helix: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
Quad Cortex vs Kemper: • Neural DSP Quad Cortex...
NUX MG30 vs Mooer GE 200 vs Ampero One: • NUX MG 30 vs Ampero On...
FM3 vs Kemper vs Helix vs Pod GO vs NUX vs Valeton vs Mooer vs Soldano: • FM3 vs Kemper vs POD G...
NUX MG 300 vs Valeton GP100 vs Mooer GE 150 vs Harley Benton DNA: • NUX MG 300 vs Valeton ...
BOSS GT 1000 core vs HX Stomp: • BOSS GT 1000 core vs L...
Zoom G11 vs Mooer GE 300: • Zoom G11 vs Mooer GE 3...
Fractal FM 3 vs Kemper Stage: • Fractal audio FM 3 vs ...
POD GO vs GE 250: • Line 6 POD GO vs MOOER...
GT 1000 vs Line 6 Helix: • BOSS GT 1000 vs LINE 6...
Line 6 Helix vs Headrush: • Line 6 HELIX vs Headru...
VALETON GP 200 vs POD GO: • Valeton GP 200 vs Line...
GT 1000 vs GT 1000 core: • BOSS GT 1000 vs GT 100...
GT 1000 vs FM 3: • Fractal FM3 vs BOSS GT...
GT 1000 vs HEADRUSH: • BOSS GT 1000 vs HEADRU...
GT 1000 vs GE 300 vs HELIX vs HEADRUSH vs PLEXI: • GT 1000 VS GE 300 VS H...
GE 200 vs GE 250 vs GE 300 vs GE 150: • MOOER GE 150 vs GE 200...
GE 250 vs Hotone Ampero: • Mooer GE250 vs Hotone ...
GE 250 vs HX Stomp: • Mooer GE 250 vs Line 6...
GE 250 vs Gigboard: • MOOER GE 250 vs HEADRU...
GE 200 vs Ampero One: • Mooer GE 200 vs Ampero...
GE 150 vs ZOOM G1X Four: x • Mooer GE 150 vs Zoom G...
BIAS AMP 2 VS AMPLITUBE 4 VS SOFTUBE VS FORTIN vs PLEXI: • BIAS AMP 2 VS AMPLITUB...
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⏰Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:47 - What is Latency?
3:06 - The modellers tested
3:54 - How I did the test
6:15 - The results of the tests
9:52 - My 2 cents
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@OlaEnglund 2 месяца назад

I know this is a year old, but I just wanted to thank you for this video. This is something that's not talked about enough...

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much, really appreciated. I'm really happy that you like the video!!!

@firatyildirim2288 2 года назад

You make ultimate modeler tests, nothing compares in youtube or forums, thanks.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, I'm happy that you appreciate the video!

@allboutthemojo 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr it's a very interesting and useful test you posted. Thanks. Have been considering buying the GE 300 but when you look on Facebook groups, many people complain that the unit freezes and malfunctions during updates and Mooer doesn't release any fixes.

@SirCrashaLot 2 года назад

You are a hero Leo. Coming from Drone racing I am very sensitive to latency, typically it means being able to avoid a wall or smashing into it. I am shopping for modeller to replace my analog setup and I find your content very informative. Thanks.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You welcome! I'm super happy that you find the videos useful!!!

@peterallen964 2 года назад

Bare in mind that it takes sound 3ms to travel a meter in air, so if you are capable of playing 3m from your amp (if it's on the floor, that's you standing at a person distance) away from it while keeping time, you should be fine with 10ms latency. It gets really messed up when you think about how far you are from different members of your average band, or even the latency difference between different drums

@SirCrashaLot 2 года назад

@@peterallen964 interesting input. thanks.

@toesalad 2 года назад

@@peterallen964 I don’t disagree with your point, however, when playing with a modeler live, that audio-through-air latency exists on top on the modeler latency unless you are using IEMs. As others have pointed out, it gets worse if you are using 4CM too. Add wireless and things are a little more latent too.

@JohnShalamskas 7 месяцев назад

@@toesalad All digital modeller FX loops have D/A and A/D conversion, which adds a few ms of latency if you use it, 4CM being one such usage. Wireless connections and "digital" pedals in the signal path also do A/D and D/A conversion, adding more latency. On the HX Stomp and Stomp XL, the FX loop adds around 3ms. The HX Stomp has about 3ms latency on the primary signal path. Add 5ms for wireless guitar connection. Add 5ms for one external digital pedal, like an IR for speaker and cabinet. Now you are up to 16 ms, which might be noticeable and annoying to the guitar player.

@berndkiltz Год назад

Thank you again for those videos. I am one of those latency-sensitive people... for example, I feel it when my signal from my FM9 is going through a digital mixer. Those things have terrible latency, and add to that the latency of the FM9 (2-3ms I suppose) and it is nearing 9-11. 11 I can feel in any blindtest. So your values here are GOLD! I recommend your channel in a lot of my videos.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome Bernd and I'm really honored that you mention my channel in your videos: really appreciated! I'm also happy to have been of some help!!!

@DogdaySunrise 2 года назад

Wow, I cannot say how happy I am about this video. I was searching far and wide to get information on modeler latency and came back empty handed or with questionable sources. Thank you for this tremendous amount of work. Your content is always high quality but this time you have really outdone yourself. Bravo! :)

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Grazie mille!!! I'm super happy that you like the video and that you find it useful!!!

@peterfindorff6891 2 года назад

Thanks Leo for your intensive and exact work, this video is an eye opener. It´s always good to get infos about gear from your videos.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you find the video useful!!!

@lares1982 2 года назад

Great Leo! This is one of those videos that you don't think anyone ever does and Leo did a great job. Excellent channel, every video is very good.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much!!! I'm really happy that you appreciate the work, the video and the channel !!!

@AchSeverIne 2 года назад

Thank you Leo! That is really interesting. Thanks also for the very qualified test setup. For an even more reliable result, a series of tests with different amp models and effects would be a dream.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you! Yes, adding amp models and effect would be interesting...but it would be almost impossible with all these pedalboards...as it would take ages...On the other hand I can do a specific latency video focused on one device...checking out how the latency vary according to the signal chain... Thank you!

@V.Drouin 2 года назад

Thanks for the video, very informative! Your videos helped a lot in my search for the best amp modeller for me and I ended up with an FM3. It's absolutely amazing!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much Vincent, I'm happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your final choice...

@ashthegreat1 Год назад

I love any review that starts with a methodology. Youve provided a very useful service here. Thank you 🙏

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm really happy that you have appreciated the video!!!

@angrybuzzy Год назад

Such an interesting test and results. Thanks, Leo!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the video!!!

@Dupdopy 2 года назад

Huge work done here, sir! Thank you for the insight!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!

@flyguyty33 2 года назад

Thank you for your hard work. I’ve just recently decided to indulge into newer multi effects pedals since they have really progressed.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome Taylor, I'm happy to have been of some help!

@mathumphreys 2 года назад

This amazing Leo. Thank you for putting in so much work and for being so thorough with your process. Also, your explanation is really excellent, every question that came in to my head was answered by you. Excellent work!! I'm really looking forward to your comparison of "true bypass" or pass-through if you think it would make an interesting topic. Once again thanks so much for the effort.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the video! Yes, maybe I will go in more details with one or two modellers. Thank you!

@peterbrusch1493 Год назад

Latency is always a theme for me and so this test very, very useful and surprising. Thank You so much!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome Peter, I'm happy to have been of some help!

@BingsBuddery 2 месяца назад

Subbed. Fantastic content. It's just sublime to have a video to quick reference for latency in modelers. Really excellent work, Mr. Gibson. Please continue!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 месяца назад

Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video and your sub means a lot to me!!!

@digitalchris6681 2 года назад

What a useful and interesting video - thanks Leo. I guess I'm not the only one right now scratching my head trying to interpret the results!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you Chris, I was also surprised, but then the results started to make sense...I mean, QC, FM3 and Kemper all at around 3ms...in my opinion there is a balance to be found between the latency / fastness and the quality (converters and algorithms) and maybe the right spot is around 3 ms...

@digitalchris6681 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi Leo. The biggest anomaly was the GT1000 but I always thought it sounded 'digital' so perhaps as you say, this is the trade-off.... so if your 3ms observation is correct (and I think it is) in order to move the whole digital movement forwards, we need a big quantum leap in technology ! By the way (I will delete this post when you have read it): "sensible to latency" should be "sensitive to latency" and "3 dot 5" should be "3 point 5".

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Yes, I think you are right...to drastically improve latency we probably need a big step forward in term of processing power...another possibility is to drastically change the approach...and I'm really curious to see what BluGuitar with the AMP X is gonna do... Thank you for the corrections...I need to improve my English... 😀... but I put all the time I have in making music or videos...so no time left for improve my English... no need to delete the post...you are just right...and the polite suggestions (like yours) are welcome!

@AlexWBKK Год назад

Wow. What a test. Thanks a lot! Exactly what i was looking for.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the test!

@svenson745 Год назад

very extensive comparison, thank you so much for your effort!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm really happy that you like the video!!!

@CL_Audio_Tuning 2 года назад

Truly a monumental test Leo! This is really really surprising and impressive, thank you for the info. Im enjoying a GP200 right now and really have not sat down to see if the latency is a problem for me, but so far im not too worried. Keep up the great content!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi Claudio, thank you so much, I'm super happy that you like the video!!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!!

@CL_Audio_Tuning Год назад

Hey @@LeoGibsonGtr! A bit of info on this, which im sure you might know already, there was a user post in one of the Facebook groups for the GP a sample of the switching between presets to see what the unit was doing, and he noticed that there is a "fade in" effect applied to the sound to bring it in which seems to add a bit to the gap between effect or preset switching, im sure that fade in could be reduced and improve the overall experience and minimize the latency, im not sure if you detected that in any of your tests, but it would be interesting in see if Valeton at least could do something there. Thanks!

@arthuralexander4687 4 месяца назад

Thanks a lot for the video. Huge amount of work done for addressing the very important issue. 🤘

@LeoGibsonGtr 4 месяца назад

You are welcome and I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!!

@gallp13 2 года назад

Wonderful video. Full of useful information presented in a professional and charming manner. Thank you Leo.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much!!! I'm super happy that you like the video!!!

@funkymonksrockband2187 2 года назад

Grazie Leo per i tuoi video! Da possessore di Nux Mg-30 e Hx Stomp non posso che essere soddisfatto! Ciao!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Grazie a te e grazie anche per aver condiviso la tua attrezzatura!!

@jmann6830 2 года назад

Hi Leo, the comparisons you provide for pedals, particularly this range are fantastic. Along with this and the other reviews of these units I purchased the Line 6 HX stomp. Other review sites were referenced during my research, but yours helped seal the deal. Great Job . Oh , let not forget your considerable skill as a guitarist. Thanks Leo !

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm super happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you for letting me know and for sharing your final choice!

@KrishinPillay Месяц назад

I can't appreciate your work enough Leo .... this is so informative and helps a ton when making a decision

@LeoGibsonGtr Месяц назад

Thank you soooo much, I'm really happy that you appreciate the video!!!

@teknical100 2 года назад

Excellent as ever Leo. Thank you.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!

@jesuzleonardo Год назад

Hi Leo, I was going to buy hotone ampero 2 or Pod Go, now I will go for separate pedals, thank you so much for explaining this topic as well as for making all this hard work for the community.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Hi, let me just say that after the video Ampero has update the firmware and improved the latency. For more info you can check out this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NyPKqOHZeek.html Thank you!

@rubenmedina5050 Год назад

Thank you Leo, I have Valeton GP100 & GP200 and I'm happy with both units, hope future firmware updates improve the latency 🤘🎸

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Hi Ruben, thank you for sharing!!!

@guitaristinterrupted3558 Год назад

Wow just wow! You take the cake as always! Keep up the good work!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you, really appreciated!!!

@RaphaBraga 21 день назад

Great video ! Thanks for sharing this process you’re great !

@LeoGibsonGtr 21 день назад

You are welcome and I'm really happy that you like the video!!! Thank you!

@stormyandcold 2 года назад

It's no wonder Boss feels so good to play. This video is such a great asset to the community, thank you so much Leo!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, and I'm happy to have been of some help!

@bitdevice 2 года назад

Great content, thanks Leo! I'm happy with my GE250.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you, I'm happy that you like the video!

@Drumming_Monkey Год назад

Makes me happy again that I bought the NUX MG 30. So incredible what you get for that price. Thanks for the video, amazing work.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you, I'm really happy that you like the video! Thank you also for sharing your opinion!

@yairkozo9117 3 месяца назад

You have very useful content! Thank you Leo!

@LeoGibsonGtr 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much for such amazing compliment that really makes me happy!!!

@dannysullivan3951 11 месяцев назад

Thank your very much. Great info for us latency sensitive types.

@LeoGibsonGtr 11 месяцев назад

You are welcome and I'm happy that you appreciate the video!

@egogreen2045 10 месяцев назад

sound is subjective and latency is the truth very helpful video mr.Leo

@LeoGibsonGtr 10 месяцев назад

Thank you so much, really appreciated!

@egogreen2045 10 месяцев назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr curious with Boss IR-200

@jorgeband1111 Год назад

Hi Leo, Latency is very important, in my case affects very much to my playing. Thanks for making this great video ! , very helpful

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the video!!!

@lucasbelloni 2 года назад

Thank you for such unique content. Great video.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!!

@jcoulter43 2 года назад

As always Leo, your analysis is spot-on. I too was very surprised at the results. I would have thought conventional wisdom would have said The more you paid the lower the latency would be, but that was not to be the case. Great video and very informative as always. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you! Yes, the more you spend the less latency you would expect...but in my opinion the more you spend, the more the converters are refined and the more the algorithms could be complex..thus adding latency...so it's a kind of balance to be found between latency and quality...that's maybe why the high end amp modeller are not at the top, but still with pretty good latency time at 3 ms. Thank you!

@toesalad 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr I would also add, the more you pay, the more other features you get as well, which may-or-may-not be important to you. There are a lot of trade-offs in what features each brand brings to the table. Latency is just one. For example, in the case of Fractal, you are getting a ton of flexibility around customization, regular firmware updates for years, one of the best desktop editors out there, etc. In the case of Neural, you are getting really good profiling, a fantastic UI, and microphone inputs, etc.

@97guitarzan 2 года назад

This is very interesting...very extensive. Must have taken you a lot of time. I too am used to dealing with latency..I use a Fishman Tripleplay MIDI Controller and I've used ampsims on and off a lot over the years and with less than ideal systems. As a guitar player the main reason I got a Thunderbolt 3 audio interface, after I put my new (was new) computer together was to get best latency possible. I' ve been looking at hardware modellers lately and this information that you've put together is valuable and appreciated. Thanks once again Leo.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome Kim, I'm happy that you find the info useful!! Thank you also for sharing your experience!

@juliensamara3857 9 месяцев назад

Tank you very much ! I was hesitating about boss fx 100, it was important for me in live situation 🙏

@LeoGibsonGtr 9 месяцев назад

You are welcome and I'm happy to have been of some help!

@JamesJLaRue Год назад

Excellent work. Noone else is providing this information.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!

@PlayFloyd_IN 2 года назад

Amazing! Thanks for the video, Leo!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!

@PlayFloyd_IN 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr - I'm pursuing my master's degree in data science at City, University of London and topics such as machine learning, digital signal processing, neural computing and computer vision are fascinating to me. What the guys at Mooer, line6, Nux and boss have done over the years is remarkable.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Yes, I do agree... Thank you for sharing your experience!

@khaldounj Год назад

Thanks Leo, I was considering buying Nux AmpAcademy. after this test I"m sold. I'm buying it. very informative videos.

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome, and I'm happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your final choice!

@soekma_aoeliea Год назад

I just bought Nux Amp Academy and amazed by its Audio Interface performance. I mean, at that price point you've got such low latency audio. I wonder how another Modelling at higher price can achieve and this video shows it all. Such a great content! Thanks!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you, I'm happy that you like the content!!!

@marcocardona8911 2 года назад

Great video!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you Marco!!! Super appreciated!

@thestraynetwork 2 года назад

Great video. Good work!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, I'm happy that you like the video!!!

@acasadiluca 2 года назад

Ciao Leo. A parte il fatto che per questo video meriti il nobel per la pace..... 👍 Detto questo... Sono molto contento di vedere il mio iridium sul podio e estremamente sorpreso da alcune posizioni della classifica! Non sono molto sensibile alla latenza (se non davvero pesante). Direi quindi che nel 2022 per me è tutto sopportabile. Di sicuro però questo video aiuterà tanti indecisi... Quindi sei stato davvero grande!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Grazie mille! sono contento che il video ti piaccia! Concordo con te....sono tutti accettabili! Grazie ancora!

@jjadams1000 2 года назад

Great video! I have the Nux MG30 and the Ampero MP 100. I haven’t noticed any latency in either units and am pleased the MG30 rated so highly, especially as it’s sort of a budget-priced modeler. Thanks for providing all this info…

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi George , you are welcome and thank you for sharing! yes the difference is hard to notice….

@scprojack83 2 года назад

Hi George, which would you recommend me between mg30 and ampero for the quality of the simulations? I am very undecided between the two ... thanks!

@jjadams1000 2 года назад

@@scprojack83 I’m leaning towards the MG30. Both units are great.

@aaronwalker5493 9 месяцев назад

I can't thank you enough for everything you do! You deserve way more subscribers than this.

@LeoGibsonGtr 9 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for such an amazing compliment!!!

@luckyno888 2 года назад

Subscribed! Keep up the good work.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, your sub really means a lot to me!!!!

@devilontheurn Год назад

Thanks a lot! This is very informative and useful to us. Great work!!! Merci👍🏼

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you found the video useful!

@janluszczek1223 2 года назад

Great video, as usual. Thanks for adding an important metric to the choices on the market. In case no one has said it (and I did not look through the comments), it's pronounced ley-ten-cy, kind of like the title of the song "Layla" by Derek and the Dominoes.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi Jan, thank you I'm happy that you like the video! Thank you also for your "English correction" !

@chris29308 2 года назад

Excellent video!, very informative.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much Chris, really appreciated!

@Alex_Martz Год назад

Great tests! thanks for this info as most reviewers skip this vital information

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Hi, yes, almost nobody talks about latency...but for some of us is a pretty important info... Thank you!

@GEORGESdeclara 2 года назад

Amazing job! Thanks.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!

@anantsaxena02 2 года назад

Thanks for this Leo! I tried the HX Stomp and Strymon Iridium before deciding to purchase the NuX Amp Academy as it was at the price point I preferred. I am sensitive to latency and was worried about my choice (still waiting for delivery) if I compromised on a 'quality' feature like latency. This took away much anxiety, hope the Amp Academy lives up to this and other features you highlighted in your review! Cheers from Toronto :)

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, and I hope to have been of some help!

@aangovan 2 года назад

this is a good video, thanks man!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!!

@blessedheavyelements8544 2 года назад

Damn man! Respect! Best Regards and Best Wishes!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much!!!

@neve4020 2 года назад

Great content! Thanks 🙏

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the video!!!

@mpp7836 2 года назад

Good job! Thanks from Brazil.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome and thank you!!!

@MrX-tv7mh Год назад

Thanks for this Leo, it's so hard getting real world measurements from the Manufacturers themselves. If you have a live setup and are using fx loops for favourite fx it can quickly add up, add in a wireless transmitter and they can become unplayable 🤕 You're the consummate go-to guy for all things 'guitar'' 👌

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Hi, thank you so much, I'm really happy to have been of some help!!! Thank you also for sharing your findings!

@mojekh 5 месяцев назад

Excellent comparison❤

@LeoGibsonGtr 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!!!!

@everennui1 2 года назад

Holy shit! This is MASSIVE! You're literally the best!

@everennui1 2 года назад

Man! I have the Stomp II. That's so sad. I'll never get those milliseconds back.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Please take into consideration that with IRs the response time is much quicker. Thank you!

@bobdelellis 2 года назад

Thank you, Leo. Great video with some surprising results. I'm sure most of us expected the high-end units (Fractal, Kemper & Quad Cortex) to be more toward the top. I have a Kemper Stage, an HX Stomp and just got a Quad Cortex. The only difference I've noticed between the Kemper and QC is when pitching down. The QC seems faster when you start giving it some complex things to do. One thing that makes sense is the units that do more and sound better are working harder and, therefore, might take longer to do the additional tasks. I would like to know how this latency compares to a real amp. There has to be a very small amount of latency even in amp for the tubes to respond to the input. I'm sure some of these units are so fast that humans can't really detect the latency. I've been playing the Kemper Stage almost exclusively for almost 3 years, so that is my new normal, anyway, and I either don't detect any latency or I've just gotten used to it.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, and I'm happy that you like the video! Actually I think that analog gear has basically no latency, as the signal should travel at the speed of light...the only latency is the one needed for the wave produced by the speaker to reach your ears... Thank you!

@stevenvandemsky7290 2 года назад

Analog equipment doesn’t have any latency at all, that’s the nature of analog!

@juancarlosprevostzarate7077 Месяц назад

I tried pairing my mooer ge250 even with my iPad running amplitube 4 and connecting through iRig HD2 in FX loop for that lovely Dimebag Darrel tone... And it was pretty comfortable to play and nice sounding.... Now with your test I know the low latency of the mooer ge250 helps a lot and so I am ready to buy a one Tonex One for a very affordable great sounding rig... Thank you very much Leo!!

@LeoGibsonGtr Месяц назад

You are welcome and thank you for sharing your experience!

@deigonz 2 года назад

i just unboxed a GX100 today. i don't mind latency too much, but i did not expect it to rank so high up on the chart. I guess Boss's A.I.R.D. tech is not hype, but the real deal.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi, thank you for sharing!

@jhellert1 Год назад

No manufacturer makes a multi FX unit that can switch between two completely unrelated presets as fast as a Boss GT unit. Everything is always as seamless as stomping a single Boss pedal. That's been true for at least 20 years. Fractal Audio's tones in the FM3 blow the doors off everyone else's on that list but its switching speed can be problematic. That's why there are so many videos about workarounds to the problem on RU-vid.

@neocampus9043 Год назад

Great work, Leo, that is super helpful! I am also one of those nerds who measures the latency of every digital device I buy because I am, in fact, pretty sensitive to it. It's good to see, too, that for those 2 components we had in common (Line 6 Helix, Boss GT1000) we are in +- 0.1 ms (!) agreement. In case anybody is interested: I found that at a total latency of 12 ms I notice that something is "different", above 14ms I start feeling disconnected. (I am more tolerant to latency, though, when I play in a band than when I am at home hearing only the guitar.) The total latency I have mentioned includes approx. 6ms for the sound to travel to my ears (distance of ~2m), leaving 6-8 ms for digital components before it starts to bother me. Please forgive me for all that number crunching, I am a physicist, after all ... ;-)

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you so much, I'm happy that the video has been of some help! Thank you also for sharing those numbers....very interesting indeed!!!

@razznote7586 8 месяцев назад

One of the better replies here right now. We may now introduce the term "Latency Budget", the delay limit before you start to notice latency (or disconnectedness).

@Stoffendous 2 года назад

You are the hero we don't deserve Leo.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank yo so much....I even don't know how to answer...this is a great compliment!!!!

@Real_shred_krueger Месяц назад

Amazing Job!

@LeoGibsonGtr Месяц назад

Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!

@Real_shred_krueger Месяц назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr You put a lot of work into these videos my friend. Top quality content.

@LeoGibsonGtr Месяц назад

I try to do my best and I'm really happy when you recognise the work behind the videos!!!

@Krolicks 2 года назад

It’s great review absolutely! Thanks a much, Leo 🤝 I surprised understand what it’s discomfort problem for me, when start try ir play with units, but this parameter unreal to found, ups)) I’m ordered “core” and only thinking- may be better was take “gx”… wherever I saw, in gt a loooong fx chain without actual length, where gx seem very useful. In other parameters they both feeling sound great in nowadays…

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you, I'm happy to have been of some help!

@georgesabitpol 2 года назад

I have had helix, fm3 , mooer 300 and boss gt1000. Of the lot the ones I enjoyed playing the most were in order the gt1000, the mooer , the fractal and the helix. Seems latency is an important one for me.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi, thank you for sharing!!! Interesting findings!

@literalghost929 Год назад

Very interesting! It would also be interesting to compare the latency given different effects; it's possible for instance that if you introduced a distortion, delay, chorus, compressor, etc., some of the less powerful units might have more latency that the units with the more powerful DSPs. But yeah that becomes much harder to compare as all the effects differ in different units, so ex; out of the 12 Helix compressors, some might be faster/slower than others, but at the same time demand more power; be of higher quality... Making direct comparisons much more difficult...

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you, I'm happy that you have found the video useful! Yes, that's a good point and actually I'm currently doing some follow up videos to check out also the latency of the other effects. For instance here you can check out one of them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nfCgL_MGT3o.html Thank you!

@HeartcoreMitRA 2 года назад

This channel is absolutely brilliant! I'd suggest you to look at quite an interesting topic of a pocket modellers, such as Mustang Micro, Nux Mighty Plug, Boss Pocket GT and Mooer Prime P1. I got myself a Nux thing and absolutely happy with it, it sounds better than my POD HD500X and you can take it anywhere with thing like portable JBL speaker(although lot of them has AUX latency and i had to use SoundCore Motion+ wich has no DSP on AUX channel), i even plug it into my car's audio and play sometimes at the parking lot.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much for such a great compliment, that really makes ma happy!!! Yes, this is an interesting topic...actually there is a new device coming out that I can not reveal yet...and then a comparison with these mini devices would be pretty interesting...thank you once more!

@markpeam8549 2 года назад

Wow - thanks for all that hard work. 10ms is no good for me, but anything under 5ms works fine. Interesting to see MX5 and Gigboard give different results - I thought it was the same processor/etc, as with the Pedlaboard.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi Mark, thank you for sharing! Please, take into consideration that the Ampero Stomp II can be improved a lot in terms of latency using IRs and not the internal Cabs, that seem to require a lot of processing power. Thank you!

@Serkan.Korkmaz 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi Leo I thinking you give wrong answer. He asking about Headrush. Headrush Mx5 and Headrush Gigboard completely same processor and electronics how can be different results ?

@webpunky Год назад

Greatest video ever, Leo!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!

@SerkanBerksoy 2 года назад

Thanks for the great comparison, I am watching all your videos also nice playing. I had Helix LT for 2 years. Now I have the Kemper Stage. Really prefer my Kemper Stage over Helix LT. I don't think I ever recognized any differences. Also don't really care with direct tube amp input versus Kemper Stage connected to return of tube amp. Those small differences disappear during band practice or gigging.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the videos and the playing! Thank you also for sharing your opinion and experience!

@Waldek.k 2 года назад

Great job thank you

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome, I'm happy that you like the video!

@everennui1 2 года назад

Also to answer your question about latency, I've never noticed any audio lag from the Stomp II, There have been issues with the software, Is the firmware, And sometimes it crashes when I'm trying to build a patch. I don't have very much experience with aunt modeling, My last one was the pod XT. I love that thing and I learned a lot from it. I don't have a lot of experience with tube amps either. I have a reissue 67 Princeton, A Chinese AC15, And they tone works 1/4 Watt amp. 10ms was a lot more than I expected, but I'm surprised I didn't notice it. 10 milliseconds while I'm recording is unbearable to me. Thanks again for your time, it's a huge test.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome. Please notice that if you use Custom IRs, the Ampero is much quicker...by the way, even for me 10ms are not a problem at all...but some of us are more sensible. Thank you!

@2ka244 2 года назад

Thanks for the update. Great work. Would like to see a test of some units in conjunction with the UAFX amps you bought. Wonder how the BOSS GX does 0,7 ms while the GT 1000 works at a higher sample rate. Expected the BOSS GX at twice the latency of the GT 1000.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! In the video there is also the latency of the UAFX Dream 65. Maybe I will do a deep dive in the next weeks... Thank you!

@vitgit Год назад

This test is epic, I keep coming back to it. Thank you for your great work. Did you tried connecting lets say Fm3 with spdif and testing how this affects the latency?

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank yo so much, I'm happy that you like the video! I have not tried with spdif but it should reduce latency as you done need the digital to analog conversion... Thank you!

@blackmanx5845 2 года назад

Thank you very much for this Leo, what an incredible video subject and comparisons. Personally, I am very sensitive to latency and it used to bug me to no end back in the days of low CPU power when trying to pile on the guitar effects and playing "real-time" (cough), while recording. I suppose that our brains are able to compensate for this while playing over time, meaning you get used to it and don't even realize you are playing ever so slightly, ahead of the beat. I wonder, since most reviewers have a short time to review new units, the lower latency units may be more "comfortable" to play and in the human brain it's rolled into the overall "sensation" of the reviewers experience. This brings me to the Boss GX-100 and it's many favorable reviews. So many reviewers could not pinpoint why they liked the unit so much even though there are better modeling units out there. Granted it does have a lot going for it, but I am wondering if the nature of it's low latency played into this. I do have a GX-100 and love it for so many reasons, but I don't have other units to compare it with. Your thoughts?

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi, thank you so much, I'm happy that you like the video!!! It's for sure an interesting topic....there is a very subjective and personal way of choosing gear, I mean I would say that it's like a guitar...you may test many of them and you may find that one stand out, but you don't know exactly the reason why...In my experience, the modellers I like the most are the ones that better manage the dynamic range of my touch..I mean the ones that can give me back the nuances of how I pick the string, how I incline the pick, how strong or soft I play...we put so much effort practicing and trying to express emotion with the way we play, that we need modellers able to respond to our touch in a proper way. To me latency is not an issue anymore with modern modellers: I love the Ampero Stomp II as I love the BOSS GX 100, because they are both able to respond pretty well to my touch. And after this test I'm even more sure that latency is not a problem for me...obviously this is totally personal, but for some of us latency could be the number one thing to search for, and therefore what your are saying could be absolute right..I mean they can feel, maybe unconsciously, that a modeller is better, as it respond quicker to their touch. Thank you once more!

@blackmanx5845 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr Thank you sir for your response. Agreed, it could be very subjective, and putting your finger on the "why" is as elusive as it's not the guitar, but the player. These are things that fascinate me since it borders on the intangible zone when it comes to music and playing the guitar. I guess we are strange creatures as players, I mean people that really notice, or care about the difference. Kinda funny when you think about it, the fuss we make but the 99% of the others, listeners, would never know the difference. I really enjoy your videos and please keep on keeping on!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, I'm super happy that you enjoy the videos!!!

@zettepix2009 2 года назад

Wow. Impressive.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you!!!

@picksalot1 2 года назад

I find that latency around 6ms or higher affects my playing, but I don't notice it below 4ms. I have an HX Stomp, and I don't notice any latency on it, and I don't use any IRs. The HX Stomp was listed in your chart, but you didn't announce its latency. It looks like it was probably around 1.8-1.9ms. Please let me know. I hadn't really thought about latency within a Modeler, as I had never noticed it in my old Boss Gt-6 or in my current HX Stomp, and had assumed it was a non-issue. So, your video was very interesting, and I was quite surprised at the high latency rates of some of the Modelers. I appreciate the time it must have taken to conduct this interesting and thorough test. Thanks 👍 On an unrelated topic, I saw something that you might find useful on your beautiful Archtop. There was a recent video on the 5 Watt World channel featuring Tim Lerch called "Teles and L-5s" in which he used "Rubber Grommets" on the strings in front of the tailpiece of his L5 to deaden unwanted string vibrations behind the Bridge. He talks about them at about 58 minutes into the video. They are are much more elegant looking solution to wrapping something through or around the strings behind the Bridge. I plan on getting them for my Archtop, as they they look to be an inexpensive and effective solution available from hardware stores. 😉

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Ah... you are right...I didn't announce the latency of the HX Stomp...I'm sorry...it's around 2ms... Thank you for sharing the video...I actually use a handkerchief....which is for sure not elegant...😀....even if I'm so used to it...that I miss it when removed...😀

@arale2k 2 года назад

Thanks!

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome!

@jacobpittman1996 2 года назад

Thank you, Leo Gibson, with your doctorate of tone, once again, you have brought reason to a world of bias and snobbery (😋) through your well-planned comparison. Boss on top was not a huge surprise. In 2002 I started using the Roland VG-88 for work in the orchestra-pit. Boss-Roland has been doing ad/da conversion, creating and fighting latency since the late 1970s. What I am curious to know - what is Leo’s favorite of the 23? Cheers, Leo! Thank you for your detail.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you Jacob, your compliments really make me happy!!! Well...interesting question about 2023...I have to think about it...I have huge expectations about the BluGuitar Amp X....I can't wait to try out one unit....we will see... Thank you once more!!!

@ClaudioGiraud 2 года назад

Hi Leo! I recently bought a GX-100 and my first impression was that I feel a little bit better dynamic response than my others units: AX8, HX Stomp and Gigboard. Maybe the scientific answer to my intuition is this video. In other words, I feel a little more real the amps, specially the clean models.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Hi Claudio, thank you for sharing!

@maxwellalmeida7299 Год назад

Leo's channel is a wonderland for gear nerd like me

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you soooooo much!!!!!

@danielcheesegtr 2 года назад

perfect ...tkss

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome!!!

@thedirtyboulevard1805 Год назад

Fantastic work Leo! I guess latency can also be a big part of the delay or the time taken to load and respond to a patch when stomping from one patch to another. Which brings me to my question. My needs are simple, I just want to stomp through several patches when performing live as a solo busker, without missing a beat, but I recently found a Zoom G1Four had almost no discernible delay when stomping between patches whereas the Ampero II was unusable. Both were tried with the ‘same’ effects chain - drive-> amp ->cabinet->reverb. Your comments would be appreciated!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! The type of latency discussed in this video, is related to the gap between the time you hit a note and the time you actually hear the note. The latency between patches is a different story and I should do another video about it, as I noticed a lot of interest. In my opinion there are two things that can "alleviate" this problem: the first one is the scene management (for instance line 6 or NUC manage scene), where the pedalboard allows to change some parameter without gaps, or the trails / spillover, where the time effects basically don't stop when you switch presets. The scene management function is more rare, where the trails/ spillover is more common. To me the trail is essential and finally if it is available, is almost enough...but obviously this is my point of view. Thank you!

@Zed1984US 2 года назад

Thank You

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome!

@gordospeti Год назад

It is remarkable how much work you usually put in your vids! :) I have been hesitating between a modelling multieffect and an audio interface with PC software about latency. A better audio interface has 5 ms latency, and as I see the latency of modelling multieffects is very similar unluckily. Maybe 5 ms vs 3 ms. This difference is not that big. Thanx for the test!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm really happy that you find the videos useful. Thank you also for sharing your findings!

@tgchan 2 года назад

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU/ You and Jim Lill are one of the most important people in the guitar tech world. No one else gets so deep and comprehensive with their research. Thank you so much for your hard work once again/ Also what a nice tie hanging from Mesa :) - is it from your son/daughter?

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

YOU ARE WELCOOOOOME...😀👍 Thank you so much, this is really a great compliment!!! Yes, the tie is a present from my son ... 👍 Thank you once more!

@tgchan 2 года назад

@@LeoGibsonGtr I had a chance to help out making similar ties for dads with little fellas :) It's nice to see that other countries are crafting those things for the best dads round world/

@rockstarjazzcat 2 года назад

Interesting. Internal signal path more or less matters. The higher priced units compromising around 3ms is probably not coincidental. Nice to see Boss pushing the envelope. FM9 would be interesting to see in there. Cheers Leo, Daniel

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you Daniel, I'm happy that you find the video interesting!

@aangtonio5570 2 года назад

One of the most useful videos I've found on the subject! Well done, Leo. 👏👏👏 Just one question (for Leo or anyone who knows): *Is the latency on the Boss GT-1000CORE the same as (or even better than) its bigger brother, the GT-1000?* The former is supposed to have the same processing features as the latter.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, I'm happy that you find the video useful!! I'm sorry but I have not tested the core...I assume that it is the same of the GT 1000...but I'm not 100% sure Thank you!

@guguslive 2 года назад

I believe is the same... Is the practically the same unit but with less switches.

@consultastecnicas6056 Год назад

@@guguslive is the same, Identical

@martinopinto6323 2 года назад

Wooo great the MG-30. Pretty cheap, great sounds and feel! Thanks Leo

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

You are welcome Martino, I'm happy that you like the video!

@chusssMusic 8 месяцев назад

Great video as usual. What about Zoom G6? Is it the same like G11?

@LeoGibsonGtr 8 месяцев назад

Hi, thank you! I think yes, but I'm not 100% sure...

@rialcarney902 2 года назад

Leo I been watching your videos for a little over a year and I love all of them. I am kinda gear nerd and love these type vids so thanks so much 🙏 but dude you really need to do a update on the quad cortex!!? For real would like to see either a comparison update or just a qc video. I have owned all of the more popular amp modelers and qc pretty good I’d like to know how to make it sound better out of a real cab though that and the way they do the signal chains seems kinda dumb but whatever.anyway please more qc content? Love the show gots a fan in Montana! 🙏 🙏 🙏 thankyou.

@LeoGibsonGtr 2 года назад

Thank you so much, these are the messages that really push me forward to make better content! You are right ... I should do more videos about the QC... I'm actually planning one that is gonna be pretty interesting in few weeks... Thank you once more!!!

@kuntoaji4674 Год назад

this knowledge is so priceless

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

Thank you, I'm happy to have been of some help!

@monstermania... Год назад

Thanks Leo for this updated latency comparison. It’s great to see that the GX-100 has the same low latency as the GT-1000. Your work is excellent and very much appreciated!

@LeoGibsonGtr Год назад

You are welcome and I'm super happy that you have found the video useful!!