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Lathe Tailstock Quill Lock Upgrade 

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We are replacing a nonfunctioning tailstock quill lock. New design will provide firm locking action and greater control when drilling.

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@jefferywright4204
@jefferywright4204 Год назад
Yuchol - You did a really great job on this video. You make all of the steps you take on a project very clear. Thank you! The date I am leaving this comment is June 6, 2023. Harbor Freight's price on the Pittsburgh Pro T-Handle Tap Ratcheting Wrench (SKU# 97633) is now $19.99. That cost is up just over 5% in the 3 years since you made your post.
@robertbutler8004
@robertbutler8004 2 года назад
It is good that some people will give credit where credit is due this guy did just that. I have seen so many others copping other projects and making out that they were the first to make something without giving credit to the other people.
@willemvantsant7416
@willemvantsant7416 4 года назад
Now to really finish it off, machine a step in rear to fit an "O" ring to prevent debris going between quill and bore. Cold blue would look good!!
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 4 года назад
Nice work. Sometimes we have to force ourselves not to settle for half-ass. Glad you made the second part with tighter tolerances. I also appreciate the tip on the Kodiak Cutting Tools.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks and you’re welcome!
@Ryan-dz3jo
@Ryan-dz3jo 4 года назад
Thank you, I really appreciate the time and effort taken to make these videos.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you Ryan. It takes a lot of extra time filming and editing but I enjoy sharing.
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 Год назад
Great video and project. Nice work. Thanks for sharing.
@MrDezeldoc
@MrDezeldoc 4 года назад
Have had that harbor freight tap handle for years, love it. Great vid.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
One of the good tools they sell
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 4 года назад
Great Job Yuchol. Adding the last step of surface grinding really makes the difference in appearance. If i ever find a good deal close to home on a small surface grinder i'm gona try to get one. I also have one of the tap wrenches that you have thanks to you i went straight to Harbor freight that day and bought it. I have several things i have bought at H/F that i really do like. BTW Amazon prime is well worth my annual fee. I use them a lot. I tallied up the freight I have saved over the last 13 months minus the annual fee and I have saved over $1100 in freight alone. Plus i love the 2 day shipping. My dogs greet the UPS driver instead of barking at him now. LoL
@johnathonmullis4234
@johnathonmullis4234 3 года назад
Great video. The finished product says it all.
@bluehornet6752
@bluehornet6752 2 года назад
Wow--that turned out great. Nice job!
@bluehornet6752
@bluehornet6752 Год назад
...by the way, you ONLY gave that end mill axial loading in the drill chuck. You didn't apply any *transverse* load.
@a89proof
@a89proof 4 года назад
Nice work. That's going to be a handy improvement, and made for a great project video.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Dale!
@davekimbler2308
@davekimbler2308 3 года назад
Came out nicely ! I like your sense of humor ! Lol
@craigtate5930
@craigtate5930 4 года назад
Nice project. Thanks for the kodiac tap info. Always looking for good taps
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Craig
@michaelmaloney1027
@michaelmaloney1027 3 года назад
Beautiful work!!!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 3 года назад
Thanks Michael
@Rustinox
@Rustinox 4 года назад
Don't apologize for any mistakes. I think as hobbyists we have the right to make mistakes. And also to put end mills in drill chucks.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks, I feel better 😁
@sharkrivermachine
@sharkrivermachine 4 года назад
Nice touch with the surface grind, well done.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you Steven!
@dalejones4186
@dalejones4186 4 года назад
Great job. I might do this also. Thanks for sharing
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Dale!
@EverettsWorkshop
@EverettsWorkshop 4 года назад
I hadn't seen Stefan's video, but this should solve your slippage issue for sure. Came out looking good too!
@Jameson4327
@Jameson4327 4 года назад
I have to say I’m impressed! Thanks to Everett’s Workshop I came across your Channel. I have been looking for a good machine work shop. I have to say I have some catching up to do with your videos.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks George for your kind words. I’m just a home hobbyist, glad to help in any way.
@RockingJOffroad
@RockingJOffroad 4 года назад
Almost 2 k subscribers! You are doing good!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks John, the channel is doing well
@RRINTHESHOP
@RRINTHESHOP 4 года назад
Came out great. I use an endmill all the time that way.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Ah, thanks Randy
@JamesDedmon
@JamesDedmon 4 года назад
Neat way to fix the problem, plus it’s simpler than trying to fix the internal one
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Jim!
@homemadetools
@homemadetools 4 года назад
Nice job. We featured your video on our homemade tools forum yesterday :)
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you! I would love to post my videos there, but I was surprised to see the cost to join
@homemadetools
@homemadetools 4 года назад
Email me at jon at our url and I'll send you a code to join for free; looks like you're one of us :)
@premierreefsmn
@premierreefsmn 3 года назад
Really nice fit and finish.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 3 года назад
Thanks you Joseph
@michaelrosenlof1084
@michaelrosenlof1084 4 года назад
Great Video-Well Done!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Michael!
@TheLimalha
@TheLimalha 4 года назад
GREAT PROJECT !
@priority2
@priority2 4 года назад
Excellent job!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks William!
@bcwrangler
@bcwrangler 4 года назад
Great fix Yuchol!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Fix and an upgrade! Thanks Wayne
@MattysWorkshop
@MattysWorkshop 4 года назад
Gday, that’s a brilliant idea for a quill lock, the finish surface off the surface grinder is beautiful, wish I had one in my shop, maybe one day hopefully if I sweet talk the wife long enough, the squeaky wheel always gets oiled😜, awesome video as always mate thank you and I’ll be sure to check out Dudley tool right for the drawing, Cheers Matty
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Good luck with the wife 😁
@larrysmurthwaite773
@larrysmurthwaite773 4 года назад
Nice work!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Larry!
@windyhillfoundry5940
@windyhillfoundry5940 4 года назад
Clever idea Yuchol👌
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Clarke!
@mertonsilliker3686
@mertonsilliker3686 4 года назад
Nice job
@54hmmwv
@54hmmwv 3 года назад
Very nice!
@zoltannagy1813
@zoltannagy1813 2 года назад
I need to get some of that precision depth indicator.
@OldIronMachineWorks
@OldIronMachineWorks 4 года назад
It came out very nice.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Old Iron Machine Works thanks, I’ve been using it and it’s so much nicer. 👍🏼
@ÁREAJ27
@ÁREAJ27 4 года назад
Hola meu amigo excelente trabalho e projeto perfeito!Se o amigo permitir talvez eu use este modelo de aperto no meu torno caseiro (cabeçote móvel )Obrigado por compartilhar!João Carlos - Brasil!
@ricksaunders277
@ricksaunders277 4 года назад
As usual great video. And who needs an automatic surface grinder when you can go that fast.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
😂 so true!
@whatupg1
@whatupg1 4 года назад
Hard to believe the standard design is so crappy! great job as Usual Yuchol. Really enjoy your vids, From Sydney, Australia :-) P.s Love the PDI lol
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you sir!
@terrycannon570
@terrycannon570 4 года назад
Yes I discovered I have several rolls of PDI.
@swanvalleymachineshop
@swanvalleymachineshop 4 года назад
That would have to be the most poxy tail stock lock i have ever seen , No wonder you changed it ! Cheers .
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Max Grant ,The Swan Valley Machine Shop. Poxy , learned a new Australian slang today 😁
@swanvalleymachineshop
@swanvalleymachineshop 4 года назад
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 Hey we never stop learning !!! Cheers .
@mce1919A4
@mce1919A4 4 года назад
Nice work.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks!
@mikenixon9164
@mikenixon9164 4 года назад
Nice job.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you Mike!
@RagsdaleCreek
@RagsdaleCreek 4 года назад
Yuchol awesome fix. Don't worry Randy will forgive you.lol Have a blessed day!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Anthony 😆
@turningpoint6643
@turningpoint6643 4 года назад
Considering that lathe would have been designed and built as at least a small light industrial machine it's surprising how badly they cut corners on that tail stock quill locking method Yuchol. Fwiw and it's surprising just how many don't know it, but keyless chucks AREN'T designed nor made for use with those reduced shank S&D type drills. And for good reason, it's because of there self tightening feature. As the drill diameter increases the torque on the shank within the chuck jaws obviously increases as well. When the shank tries to spin the internals are designed tighten up even more to prevent that.There's a few threads about what can happen on the PM General forum. The chuck will start to self tighten to where the internals begin deforming, and with a bad drill catch breaking through the material your drilling it can be severe enough to permanently lock it up and destroy the chucks internals. If your ever struggling to loosen any well made keyless by hand it's a sure sign your over stressing the chuck past it's design limits. Used within there limits a good keyless should never need anything more than hand torque to tighten or loosen them. So those reduced shank drills really need to be used with a keyed chuck or a collet.The same holds true when power tapping with them, I limit mine to about 3/8ths tap size as a maximum. Your drill chuck looks very much like the 3 integral shank keyless I bought from Glacern. I've had real good luck with mine and they compare quite well with the Albrecht I have for runout.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Turning Point thanks for the advice. The chuck is from Precision Matthews and I really like it.
@jeffreylehn8803
@jeffreylehn8803 4 года назад
nice job !
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Jeffrey
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball 4 года назад
Enjoyed, nice build/upgrade....curious, does the addition of material on the front cause issues with tooling’s tapered shank from locking or ejection?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
No it doesn’t. I installed all of the tailstock tooling and measured when they were ejected when I retracted the quill prior to the project. With the plate being 1/2” thick, and I machined off about 1/8” of the tailstock, I still have about 3/8” room to play with. Of course your mileage may vary depending on the lathe. Thanks Chuck!
@yvesdesrosiers2396
@yvesdesrosiers2396 4 года назад
Ooòooooooo shiny ! Thanks for sharing
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks for watching!
@jaswantsingh-km4hh
@jaswantsingh-km4hh 3 года назад
Amezing 😍
@Changtent
@Changtent 4 года назад
Nice modification! Often the top of the tailstock casting is convex so your top clamp (while milling) would have a tendency to wander (as it did). Some wood packing material may help next time. I have sometimes thought about milling-flat the top of the tailstock casting for mounting a digital caliper, depth measuring attachment. Flat, and parallel to the spindle. Another project when time is found.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Jim. I put a 1/16” copper sheet on top of the tailstock, wasn’t enough
@donsipes
@donsipes 2 года назад
I'd be interested to know if the quill moves side to side or up and down when the clamp is applied? I have a similar lathe and with the original clamp the tail stock alignment is changed when the clamp is applied.
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball 4 года назад
Since the tailstock has flat surfaces...suggest adding a digital caliper modification for depth measurement of quill extension
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Oh man, it’s like you’re reading my mind. How do you do that Chuck?😳
@michelecrown2426
@michelecrown2426 3 года назад
I'm a little late to the party here. But would it have been possible to notch the corners with the pinch bolt so you wouldn't need as long a tap or clearance drill? Considering the function of this add on, I don't think it would affect the clamping force. Came out nice though.
@jimharris4013
@jimharris4013 4 года назад
well done.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thank you Jim!
@georgehunter2788
@georgehunter2788 4 года назад
Would you believe it? The cheap Harbor Freight 7x10 metal lathe comes standard with this type of tailstock quill locking mechanism.
@kylemichael2175
@kylemichael2175 4 года назад
Well done Yuchol. My tailstock just might be getting one of these too, even though it locks up fine with the lever it could be more secure with this method. What kind of surface grinder do you have there? Looks nice.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Thanks Kyle. It’s Brown & Sharpe Micromaster 612.
@kylemichael2175
@kylemichael2175 4 года назад
Woods Creek Workshop that’s a nice machine! I believe Lance Baltzey has a nice micro master in his shop as well.
@lennym1273
@lennym1273 4 года назад
I like how you test the lock by trying to push the quill by hand lol...
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
What can I say, camera brings out the weirdness in you 😁
@MrJOHNSONAAAA
@MrJOHNSONAAAA 3 года назад
Ryan my tail stock is in trouble . Tried to restored it. no luck. i took the quill out of the tail and now it will not go back in. Can you help?
@MrJOHNSONAAAA
@MrJOHNSONAAAA 3 года назад
Ryan my tail stock is in trouble . Tried to restored it. no luck. i took the quill out of the tail and now it will not o back go it. Can you help?
@lauraallen8518
@lauraallen8518 3 года назад
Hi there , I've been waqtching a bunch of your videos & wondering can you tell me about the sheet metal part you have on the top of the saddle on he chuck side ? thanks animal
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 3 года назад
Laura, I share the details in this video, hope this helps ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iIjYByxpkRg.html
@lauraallen8518
@lauraallen8518 3 года назад
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 thanls
@MY-bw2nb
@MY-bw2nb 4 года назад
I had to go check my tool box to make sure that ratchet tap driver got the same one up here in princess auto lol As far as end mill in drill chuck i even use mine in drill chuck on lathe and even my kitten 🙀🙀🙀😹😹couldn't bear to watch ha ha
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
😁
@scottvincent7666
@scottvincent7666 3 года назад
I’m telling Mr. Pete! Detention for you!
@mikekerezsi9672
@mikekerezsi9672 3 года назад
Im a beginner lathe operator and I would like to fix the tailstock bottom is wore so I welded the corner to bring it back true. Any suggestions on how I can make it better?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 3 года назад
Depending on your capability and tooling, but you can remove material at the bottom and add new material to build it back up.
@joleenmorganjohn
@joleenmorganjohn 4 года назад
not bad, my only issue with the new lock design is it does not bind the quill to the bore. in other words push any bore to quill clearance to one side an lock the quill rigid from up an down an side to side movement. ofcource the tool end of the quill is locked but the handle end can wobble around inside the bore. you may get tapers and off center from a center hole running work with tailstock support or between centers. the original design was awfull as you said. but wen it worked it did lock the assemble to itself. just a thought to think about.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Not if the bore in the tailstock is a very tight fit which it is. Also, if you align the tailstock using the new design, there won’t be any tapers.
@rogerpetrella5993
@rogerpetrella5993 4 года назад
Why didn't you just make a new one of the internal pieces (with the weld on it) from brass or even steel?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
it would have never worked properly. The cam lever action has such small operating radius, it wouldn't have allowed me to apply just the amount of force needed. This is a much better design. Thanks.
@liboy34
@liboy34 4 года назад
hi good job what is brand of your lathe?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Jet
@ericloveless4617
@ericloveless4617 4 года назад
You really need to learn how to use the fine Kurt vise you have. How do you justify a 0.0005 fit with the quill and then turn around and use a hand drill to mount the clamp bracket?
@RCDinsmore
@RCDinsmore 4 года назад
Too late now, but wouldn't it have been relatively easy to make a new cylinder and key out of tool steel, in other words re-make the original pieces / design so that it would function correctly? The plate seems to work well, but it looks like it costs you 3/4 inch of quill travel.
@carlhitchon1009
@carlhitchon1009 Год назад
Only 3/8". See his comment below.
@brandontscheschlog
@brandontscheschlog 4 года назад
No Unicorns died! Haha
@TheAyrCaveShop
@TheAyrCaveShop 4 года назад
Turned out nice...that factory lock was sad
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Beyond sad 😫. Thanks man!
@ericloveless4617
@ericloveless4617 4 года назад
The Kurt vise is more than large enuff the hold the tailstock. Dont use such a large cutter! Use a longer 6 flute end mill and light cuts!
@hilltopmachineworks2131
@hilltopmachineworks2131 4 года назад
OMG! You just voided the warranty on your lathe. 😜
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Hill Top Machine Works their crappy design/work doesn’t deserve warranty 🤣. I want to see some new concrete soon!
@hilltopmachineworks2131
@hilltopmachineworks2131 4 года назад
Woods Creek Workshop its raining right now. ☹️
@oldschool1993
@oldschool1993 4 года назад
That type of lock is better than the cam style because it grips better and holds the barrel centered. The Chicago Lathe combo machine has a rather elegant version of this using a round split collar- easy to make with a readily available off the shelf item. They also have used the same concept to make the tailstock telescoping, allowing 10" of travel. www.chicagolathe.com
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
So true
@AKANEOCON
@AKANEOCON 4 года назад
Watching this made me pull my hair out you are working on a lathe and have a mill why didn't you just make a new pin for the original lock instead of hacking up your lathe?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Because this is a better design. It’s OK to have preferences that are different than others
@MrPatdeeee
@MrPatdeeee 4 года назад
I have the same problem; plus the other lever for locking the tailstock is not positive either. So it moves no matter how tight I make it. Guess I am going to have to fix both of these maladies. Why do machine builders always leave us with these aggravations? Huh?
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
They figured we are bored and need things to do besides trying to take over the world
@dahut3614
@dahut3614 4 года назад
That's funny, I thought it was pronounced goat-tess-vean-tur. Live and learn!
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Dahut I have 0% confidence that I am saying his name correctly 🤣
@EitriBrokkr
@EitriBrokkr 4 года назад
Between this and the carriage lock I'd say that lathe isn't worth buying. I have an inexpensive Grizzly gearhead about that size, and everything works as it should right out of the box
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
I wouldn’t go buy this lathe new today, there are a lot of better options out there.
@Ricopolico
@Ricopolico 4 года назад
Not "slipping" but "shifting".
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
🤣
@HairyNumbNuts
@HairyNumbNuts 4 года назад
I have to disagree with your criticisms of the mechanism. It's not fabulous, but it's perfectly acceptable for its' purpose. Have you actually had any issues with the tailstock backing off? You have to remember that the screw on the handwheel is a force multiplier: just because you can move the quill with that doesn't mean that's going to happen to the lathe. I have almost the same lathe (a GH1336) and I haven't experienced any such issues. Stefan's mod is absolutely an improvement, but calling it a "poor design" is unfair to the manufacturer in this case. Otherwise, a good video: I'm not trying to flame you, I just think you're being a bit over-critical.
@woodscreekworkshop9939
@woodscreekworkshop9939 4 года назад
Yeah, my quill wouldn’t stay out during use. I’ve had multiple lathes before this one, all cheaper, and none of them had this issue. By “poor design”, I was referring to the use spot welding to adjust the action. It works well now and I am happy with the result. Thanks
@HairyNumbNuts
@HairyNumbNuts 4 года назад
@@woodscreekworkshop9939 Fair enough then - if that was the issue, good fix. I'll pull mine apart and see what's in there. I haven't as I've not had any issues.
@harlech2
@harlech2 3 года назад
Another reason NOT to buy a Jet.
@mikemakuh5319
@mikemakuh5319 2 года назад
Almost looks Chinese!
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