Very professionally well done video. I've watched your videos since you owned MGs in Australia and you help us make decisions. It's also nice and refreshing to see you respond to most comments on this video, NOT a normal thing for youtubers so thanks for being professional. Thanks for sharing your opinions. Although these problems sound annoying the value for money is still too compelling.
Another very informative review. The Parramatta dealership may describe the issues as normal, but they're not. They are engineering design faults that the service technicians obviously can't fix. Only a redesign will fix those issues so perhaps the issues will be engineered out in the next model(s).
I agree, Phil, these are engineering faults that shouldn't be acceptable or "normal", but they are - as even native LDV service tech can't do anything about those. Hence the reason for this "warning" video, for anyone still considering the buy the car... ;)
I test drove one of these recently a 2023 model. I can confirm the transmission kind of struggles finding the right gear, especially in city drive. The over all quality is sub standard. You really are getting a vehicle worth 20 to 30k less then whats out there. You do get what you pay for.
1. The brake pads are new and seems to be harder than normal, hence the breaking point is longer. Normal for new pads. Should be gone after some time. Happened to me too. Gone when I used my LDV Deliver 9 van for sometime. 2. Downhill engine brake, you might be right that the engine down gear is too low for the speed. This is the default setting in the electronic control. Might need some adjustment from LDV. 3. Uphill (similar to No.2 above), the electronic setting automatically set higher revs to maintain power and the vehicle speed was higher than the gear selection. Will be less to none on normal/level road. But if still in the range of 3500 rpm, that is okay. The max torque will be achieved in 2500-3000 rpm for Diesel. Might need some adjustment from LDV. 4. It might be from the sensor contacts. I had an LDV Deliver 9 and sometimes it did that. What I did was to open the door, clean the contacts, and shut the door again. Since you bought the cheapest version, I assumed it is Petrol. And the settings in the electronic control might be for the Diesel. Different characteristic. LDV should rectify it.
Thanks for a thoughtful comment mate, yes I bought the cheapest, petrol, and the engine is too weak to "engine-brake" this mass comfortably, that's what's causing uncomfortable sense of high revs. The rest of it could be dealt with, and frankly, I probably could have if I kept the car. But too late for me now.
I think the engine rpm increasing when rolling down hill is the engine applying an engine brake, so that it doesn’t keep naturally accelerating (like it does on flat ground when you take your foot off the brake). By doing this, on steep hills, you don’t have to keep applying (and wearing out) your brakes. It’s trying to limit your speed to what it was doing before the downhill slope
I understand what it is "in principle", but what concerned me is simply how loud/high that engine noise becomes - outside of what I'd call normal or comfortable, personally.
I was thinking of purchasing this for my growing family, as it’s budget friendly. After watching a few reviews, I’ve decided against it. Thank you for your honesty 😊
Look, if you're not planning to resell (as depreciation on this will be brutal) and if you get a diesel version with a more powerful engine, plus - buy and install an aftermarket smart screen (Head Unit) - you should be fine with this if it fits your budget. Mine was the cheapest version and I didn't replace infotainment = key mistakes!
You didn't take my advice and use a local mechanic, tsk, tsk.... Having said that the dealer sounds like he did a fairly good job in addressing your concerns. Point 1, the dealer is right. Point 2; overrun is normal, nothing to do with a weak engine. 3,000 rpm is nothing, our Lexus UX will run up to 6,000 rpm down hill before applying the brakes in cruise control. Point 3 is normal also, it is a cheap car so the transmission is not state of the art, it will definitely be slow to change whilst cold. Again, nothing to do with a weak engine. Point 4 is a cop out by the dealer which should have been sorted, absolutely not good enough. Your local mechanic (hint, hint) would have just adjusted the door strike out a bit so the latch engages earlier. You can do it yourself; just need to loosen the 2 studs (I assume) and move the strike out, nip up then close the door softly to get it right. Adjust until happy. Still you did the right thing in bringing up your concerns with the dealer and they did the right thing in writing them down. You have established a paper trail incase things turn to shite. I think you will be fine. Don't get sucked in to the pleasant service of the dealer. Lexus offered us a LC500 loaner whilst our car was serviced. Now I love the LC but it is not enough for me to not support my local guy who has no affiliation with the brand and will tell it to me straight and not cover stuff up, ie the tailgate.
Hey mate, really appreciated your advice re. "local mechanic", and I've given it a serious thought before deciding to go to LDV (again). Why? Several thoughts on this: 1 - Would "local mechanic" have access to the same computer/whatever is required to connect and reset all the native LDV service warnings signs on the dashboard? I doubt it, and suspect that you need LDV tech to do that, but correct me if I'm wrong... 2 - What would really suggest to me that some abstract "local mechanic" (who I still need to find first!) would do a better job than LDV mechanics would do? 3 - Would "local mechanic" have direct and immediate access to LDV parts, especially if something would need to be covered by my warranty? I doubt it. They'd say "oh mate, you should go talk to LDV about it, they'd cover it for free...." - AAAAaaaand I'd be back to square one? Let's be real here! Am I wrong on any of these points?
@@ValueCarsAU Yes you are wrong on all 3 counts. 1) The only car we have owned that our mechanic couldn't work on was the Leaf as even very few Nissan dealers can service them. All our Fords, Saabs, Mercs, Audis, VWs, Toyotas and Lexus were/are handled by our local mechanic. All good mechanics now can, and for years, access the cars computer to reset codes. 2) The local mechanic is responsible to you. The dealer is responsible for the brand. Dealers are only for warranty work, nothing more. If they don't know you by name, they couldn't care less. Your local mechanic will look after you much better because he lives in your community and has a local reputation to protect. Look after your local guy and he will look after you. "Local" doesn't mean backyard. Local means nearby with a good reputation. Talk to your neighbours and friends, I am sure they can recommend you a great place to go. If the place is booked out for 3 weeks then you know it is good. Once they know you well you will get in quicker. 3) Of course local mechanics have access to parts. Service and warranty are 2 entirely different animals. The local mechanic does your factory service and refers you to the dealer for warranty work. The dealer will fob off warranty work unless you know what you are talking about or you have a qualified mechanic backing you up. Every new car we have owned (at least 10) has had it's first service at the dealer then we never go back except for warranty or recalls.
Ok thanks for clarifying mate, I'm a pretty basic car owner - and I've owned a few in my life - but I've always dealt with the brand/service departments, I'm rather boring and "mainstream" like that.
Item no.2, the revving when going downhill is a very common issue with modern DCTs. My golf does the same damn thing when going downhill.. the dsg senses the gradient in the road and then engine brakes… revs easily rise to 3500rpm and just drives me nuts! The fix I have is to put it in manual mode and keep a higher gear active while going downhill. This is an annoying problem
Very interesting, thanks for sharing. D90 doesn't have a DCT (thank God!), and I frankly didn't notice the same behaviour on my MG HS (with DCT), but good to know that other cars have it
If the engine water temp is cold the transmission holds the lowered gears longer. The tranmission changes to a lower gear if the car free rolls down a hill. I found the car drives very nice on 98 ron fuel. Crazy good value car. Also the power point in the back only takes a 3 pin plug and if you shove a 2 pin laptop plug it won't go in so I use a small extension lead. Carried 40 bags of sand from bunnings and passengers up hill no drama the turbo is powerfull when you need more engine power so far happy.
Demitri, have you ever used Bowden's Own Wheely Clean? Use it if you have not, next time when you wash your car. I find it very good cleaner for wheels and brakes. It might finish your brake noises.
Is your LDV the diesel model? If so, the reving sounds like normal automatic PDF cleaning of the vehicle The squeaky brakes are due to the soft compound brakes used to grip the rotors for better stopping on a large, new vehicle. This causes brake dust & the sqeak 9.9 times out of 10. Give the wheels a good pressure hose out, or ask a mechanic to clean them (pressure cleaning will do the trick tho). Incidentally, having soft compound brakes to better grip also means you will be well due for new brakes & rotors by the 40K service (usually front only). I work with LDVs. If it IS petrol, & not diesel, i wouldn't say that high reving is normal & would advise you monitor & even record it when safely possible 😊
I had a cheapest petrol model and realise that revving up is normal for engine braking, but it still highlights a relatively high mass of the vehicle vs. relatively weak engine that's struggling under its weight.
@@ValueCarsAU ahhh yes, that makes sense 🙂 Also, thank you for all your reviews. I'm currently working with all Chinese models & these help enormously with seeing how the various models have performed on a normal day-to-day basis! Actually, considering the price point, I've been so impressed with the over all lack of real problems coming into the workshop that I'm seriously considering getting one for my own personal use. Maybe a Haval H6 Ultra. Altho I like that the Tank is holding its own when going off road for holidays 🤔
Great review! Dimitri. For the high revs, I owned a CVT nissan dualis 2012 before. It did the same when going down hill. I actually quite liked this feature of the gearbox, just like the “L” gear in old days without manually switch. I guess LDV designs it for the same purpose. It does annoys with poor NVH control in the carbin though. But, you get what you pay, it's a budget 7 seater and your one is the lowest model right? But still good to know its real build quality.
I agree Chris, for this kind of SIZE of the vehicle, every other little thing might be annoying - as I've outlined here - but it's forgivable for sure!
I owned a 2022 LDV D90 disel. So far I am not awared of any of the mentioned problems in my vehicle. It could be specific to petrol version or individual assembly problem. I am very happy about this car except for the poor infortainment you mentioned in other videos.
Diesel would have a much more powerful engine that wouldn't rev up as much on downhill slopes, I imagine, but yeah - infotainment would suck all around. Need to get yourself one of those Smart Screens I've been reviewing. Wish I knew about them when I had my D90.
The excessive revving when rolling down hill is the effect of engine braking. That is typical of small engines. Engines of roughly three litres and above generally don't suffer this issue.
I have the same model and have 7000ks. I only have a similar problem with the gears changing occasionally. No issues with anything else . I think you have a problem boot door. Mine shuts perfectly.
Yep maybe it was just my boot, but overall I came to the conclusion that the car was underpowered for my liking. If I had 5 kids to drive around full time - fair enough - no beating this price! 😉
The same squeaking brake noise on my Honda and BMW, also, the same explanation from service men: “it is only about the dust on rotors!” God, I drive them everyday in city areas, how come they are dusty all the time? 😟
Probably worth investigating, but it's a balance of the car, price and how much of a market presence they have in Australia. Harder to get proper service and support for a very tiny market share, like Rexton appears to have these days.
Hi Dimitri not great support from dealer - re brakes a common problem that maybe fixed by different compound pads - re lift off revving and cold holding too low a gear would be due to you automatic transmission computer firstly offering engine breaking when don’t want (sometimes this is also to reduce CO2 by burning off unburnt fuel as lowers emissions) and also being in cold mode holding gears to increase warm up speed - reminds me of issues often in new cars with fuzzy logic transmission computer which you will have until you put a few more Km on the car - might be time for long road trip or so called Italian tune up (a good hard fast drive). Re tailgate sounds like needs adjusting but often air pressure with such large door means better closing when have a window down or door open whilst closing rear door - i would be interested if auto in ZST has any of these issues?
Hey Malcolm, great points and explanation mate. No, none of these issues with ZST, at least definitely not as obvious, interestingly enough... Would you say, with these "not great" computer chips controlling this and that with transmissions, it would have anything to do with the mode the car is in (Eco, Sport, Normal?) or the Auto-hold function interfering at all?
More likely to hold gears in sport but logic on chip possibly just not that adaptive - I used to find this problem in traditional autos like Aisin 6 speed auto mini used which would do some strange changes like holding onto gears but got better with age of car and less time spent crawling in Sydney traffic
I agree, really bad responses from service guys I'm curious, did you take it out for a good hard drive as advised by Malcolm? And how did it settle in after 40-60K on the clock?
My car does the high revs when going to down hill but I just put it up a gear and it seems fine. It only does on one hill int the town I live in so doesn’t bother me as much. I just think the gets confused sometimes lol
The down hill revs things is the transmission downshifting. Quite normal. But as.you explained the late upshifts as well I would suspect the TPS (THROTTLE POSITIIN SENSOR) may be out slightly. This would cause these characteristics. Would be like switching to sports mode compared to economy mode. Tail gate latch needs adjusting.shouidnt need to slam it. Brakes.... tough call. Alot of overseas cars brake squeal. It's the type of brake lining they use.
Great insights and clearly you understand these systems a lot better than I do mate, thanks. I changed to Haval H6 and so far not noticing any of such issues. I know it's an "easy way out" but why struggle with something that doesn't work for me the way I want it to, right?
I've accepted those as the result of weaker Petrol 2.0 engine and the rest I've talked about. Plus, I don't own the vehicle anymore to keep digging into these.
Like all the information you put out for all thr potential buyers. I have plans to buy LDV D90 2022. Looking for a budget 7 seater. Just straight forward wanna know if I should go for it or no. Thanks Mate.
It's simple mate. If you have under $40k AUD to spend and need a 7 seater, there's simply nothing else you could get that would fit the bill. Plain and simple. It won't be luxury and the infotainment screen would suck (mostly), but the rest will get your family moving for sure.
Of course I'm not a fan of any of these issues, hence the video that gave you an impression of my frustration. H6 would be too small for me, it was barely larger than my old MG HS. And H9 would be what I'd be happy with, but it's too expensive compared to my D90. Love this car so far, aside from these little "cheap car" kinks here and there.
Hi Dimitri,thanks for the educational video buddy,i was seriously considering buying the ldv d90 in the diesel,im a full time uber driver,i do anywhere from 150 to 200 kilometers a day,given what you have mentioned its a real gamble,however what your paying for its value for money,the diesel is around $48,000,the brake pads are very important,have your brake pads already worn out? i know you didn't mention this,given everything you addressed,im not overly concerned,only except the brake pads are a worry lol,take care,enjoy the rest of your day.
Hey mate, break pads are fine, there's just occasional screeching, but that must be due to the dust - not sure. Service department just said "can't replicate". The car is ok to drive in the city, has a very good turning circle for such a massive vehicle, so if you want to drive large groups of people or people with luggage (perhaps as a "specialist" UBER driver who picks up people to and from Airport, etc), I think it's a very good car. Diesel will give you a lot more power too, but will also be about $10-13k more expensive compared to what I paid.
@@ValueCarsAU Thanks Dimitri,for your valuable information,im actually taking one for a test drive tomorrow,value of money is unbelievable,yeah i know you got the base model,the diesel is around $48,000,still cant complain about that,given the fact your almost paying double for a toyota ect.see you on the next video,so looking forward to it,and im sure all your subscribers would agree:)
@@carlojenilian8546 enjoy the test drive mate and let me know how you like it. At that loss range it might be worth comparing it to Haval H9 before you commit to buy, but I haven't tried H9 myself so can't comment much on it
@@ValueCarsAU Hi Dimitri, and thanks again buddy,I know the haval hybrid is coming out in september, I really like the ldv actually, for what your paying for, it's unbelievable, I really enjoyed the test drive to,your absolutely right dimitri, the diesel has more power, and the actual steering is remarkable, given the fact it's a massive car lol,I actually put a deposit on it,most likely pick it up next week, I'll keep everyone posted, have a great day, and thanks again 😄😄
I wasn't that disappointed with them, but again - I'm not really a pro in terms of knowing what to expect from dealers/mechanics in this sense... It seems that they've checked what I've asked them to, and wrote off any shortfalls on the vehicle/engineering itself?
Other than open China-bashing your comments make sense, so please 1. don't add multiple ones and just add all of your points into one, 2. avoid open China-bashing as I simply don't like it and could reply with "who is driving SsangYong shit"? How does that make you feel as the dealer or a buyer with sunken cost fallacy playing up? 🤷♀️
I’ve worked in OE dealerships for 20 years. “Normal characteristic of the vehicle” and “Could not replicate fault” are the go to fob off comments they will give. They will continue this line of responses until you push it a lot further ..which by the way they are hoping you won’t do. Which 9/10 people won’t and will just accept the above responses
Hey mate , love the videos , D90 , family car for a run around ? We just picked up the tank , love it , want d90 as a school run car for me , odd family trip ! Thoughts ?
Hey mate, not sure why you want D90 if you already have a Tank? Yes D90 is a 7 seater and Tank is a bit smaller, but it would be 2 big cars for the same household - not sure how practical is that? Overall, as I've said in the review, good very big SUV for a family on a budget. Long term though - no idea, as I haven't owned it long enough.
@@ValueCarsAU My wife will be away with work and take tank ! , Military , I am retired military and will be stay at home dad , so D90 was going to be for my and kid , I was looking at Rexton !
@@ValueCarsAU Hello Dmitri I wanted to buy an LDV D90 and had a test drive yesterday. I liked the Car and Pricing but the big concern for me was the maintenance cost as the service of this vehicle is pretty expensive and a service is required after every 10K. I normally drive 20K a year that means I have to have it serviced twice a year. Please refer to following output of servicing prices I retrieve online from 2 LDV Dealers Website (LDV Parramatta NSW and LDV Brendale in QLD). As i live in QLD so i called my nearest LDV Dealer and queried about the service pricing and according to them the service pricing would further go higher in coming days and I should expect around $1000 for most of the services and for 100K service it would cost me close to $2000 which is insane. If I compare the LDV Servicing cost with HAVAL H6, it would just cost a HAVAL owner a total of $1550 Servicing cost for the 5 Years. Please share your thought on the LDV Maintenance/Servicing. Thanks Service as per Handbook LDV Parramatta LDV Brendale 5K $295.21 $490.00 10K $295.21 $406.02 20K $699.28 $1,016.41 30K Not available online 40K $858.17 $1,160.87 50K Not available online 60K $704.54 $1,046.18 70K Not available online 80K $1,017.88 $1,325.31 90K Not available online 100K $539.57 $851.97
Well aware of that, big fan of John's, but not everything he is publishing for (at least some of) click-bait value is entirely true or automatically means the car is bad. I'll share my further opinions on this in the upcoming video tomorrow.
