Lebron James's Longevity DOES NOT Make Him The GOAT | THE ODD COUPLE 

Nah Mj Phil and Pippen did…….MJ didn’t do anything without those guys.

@@djangojenkins7019 LeBron stans really are something else. They watch as their guy, who couldn't win squat despite having the best team in the league, jump from custom built superteam to superteam, joining some of the best players in the league, and then complain that it was somehow unfair that Jordan had Pippen and a coach who had won absolutely nothing prior to winning the coaching equivalent of the lotto by getting to coach Jordan while having the fortune of coming along just in time for Pippen's ascension into the higher echelons of the NBA at the time. The dude got lucky....then somehow won the lottery again by getting to coach prime Shaq and Kobe Bryant. Nope, it wasn't those guys responsible for most of that success, it was all down to Phil and his magical coaching abilities 😂

@@djangojenkins7019 yet lebron needed nba all stars around him every year yet he did it himself. You're so stupid.

​@@djangojenkins7019Phil and Scottie have FMVP, MVP, DPOTY, Scoring Titles? Tell me the years they won it, I'll wait?

Not just more but greater achievements, like a 3peat, TWICE in 8 years!

... and he took 18 months off to play baseball. Lol

He did it with a coach that put together a team that would win. When he left that team was a win from going to the championship. That was on a bad call or that team without Jordan would have been in the ecf.

​​​@@gamewizard-y9nwoulda coulda shoulda, if jimmy butler can carry the heats to the finals twice beating many good teams, and take it to 6 games against stacked lakers with like barely any help, why should we be suprised that a team almost make it to ecf (like they literally only won 1 round) consisting a group of players that got to train with, learn from, and to practice their defensive skills on the best offensive player of all time, and their offensive skills on one of the best defenders day in day out. i would say they should at leadst be in the finals no?

AND THE LEAGUE WAS WATERED DOWN. NONE OF THOSE WERE GREAT TEAMS

Jordan 11 rings a goat

Facts

At the age of 37 mj was retired

LeBron James in 8 years. Goes to the Finals FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS with Miami, wins two titles, loses two to a super team and an all-time great team. Leaves Miami and goes back to Cleveland and ends up in another FOUR STRAIGHT FINALS - continuously, after leaving Miami! He jumps to Cleveland - Finals. Leaves Miami - they are bad. He leaves Cleveland - they are horrible. Goes to The Lakers - Finals. Not as quickly as Cleveland and Miami, but he got them there. He has at least one title for each team that he was on. 4 Finals MVP 4 League MVP 19X All star and way too much more to write down! Only a supreme hater would not at least concede a tie!

@@Kordellll Yep, typo. He was 35.

@@HardCold-Alquan Cut it out.

U made that up

era was so terrible

If I was playing a Superteam I would want Lebron, 1 of them never beat a Superteam in his career (i.e 3 HOF 's + coach e.g Jordan, Pippen, Rodman + Phil) If I was playing a 1 HOF team (like Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns) I would pick Jordan. I would need a teammate that leads Jordan ALL TIME in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, 3 pointers and top 10 with Jordan in Steals 🤫. And also the teammate would lead Jordan ALL TIME PLAYOFFS in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, Steals and 3 pointers

you wish LeQueen didnt quit and leave Cleveland and try win back to back to backs as a franchise player 🥱😂🤫

That is longevity,possibly steroids if you believe the allegations😅. Its not like hes getting better in different ways. He just hasnt fallen off

Jordan still accomplished more team and individually than Bron in less time with less help

​@@carbon.the.christ5626 You say it like there are a lot of people that have done it. He is one of one.

​@@williewest2998 In less time because he quit.

@@williewest2998 First off, I have LeBron 4th on my all time list and Jordan 1st, so don't try to preach to me. Secondly, while Team accomplishments are a part of the equation, they aren't a large part, since an individual player has no control over their owner, GM and Coach, and all of those play a HUGE role in winning.

Facts....5000 turnovers & counting. But the sports media ain't said a peep.

Jordan never pushed himself? Who do you think Kobe got his workouts from? Kobe literally used Jordan's trainer. LeBron's not even the best human. He can't shoot, he can't play off ball, he turns the ball over a lot, he travels and offensive foul a lot, and a poor leader.

Nice but that sh*t don’t matter, Gretzky is the goat, especially with the rule changes in hockey which allows players to beat his records. Gretzky still the hockey god. Same with Jordan, let’s not speak of the euro step which allows you to score 1,000 points. You couldn’t do that in Jordan era.

Yup.

Potentially could be the difference of second best and worst. If that doesn't matter then there shouldn't be any top 5 or top 10 lists if only #1 matters.

Go back to your toilet 😂

@@santiniperico8627 Your Queen has been slayed jockstrap muncher 😂😂

church...it's not even close lolz

basically KD with better defence, accolade wise

Love how you conveniently cherry picked all the stats Jordan has over Bron but mentioned none of the ones Bron has over Jordan but do you fam.

Yes 😂😂

Yup

He's a Mike minion himself 😂

And he’s a Mike minion. Ok 😂

I thought about the fact he a hater and go took off tv 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣black beyless

lol you probably weren't even born lol kick rocks.

I guess there are a lot of people who has a low IQ. You can’t compare two players who played in different eras. You or nobody else can definitely say that Jordan is better than LeBron or Lebron is better than Jordan. I am an old head and this constant worshiping of Jordan is past ridiculous. There is no GOAT because of the point that I just made. Jordan said this himself.

Oscar Robertson (the Big O) said LeBron was 'much better' than Jordan, back in 2010. When LeBron had only 1 Finals appearance (losing to San Antonio) and 2 MVPs, and Jordan's full career was in the books. Jerry West and Steve Kerr said LeBron was right up there with Jordan, and that was before his ring with a 3rd team, his 3rd championship in his second year with a team. It was before he passed Kareem, which has now converted Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce (fierce rivals of LeBron's at Boston) to saying James is the GOAT. Dr J said LeBron is re-setting the bar of what the GOAT is. 33% of the 120 NBA players answering The Athletic's poll last year said LeBron was the GOAT. It is still a minority view, of course. But it is growing, and far from an ignorant view.

@@phillipschuman4307 Bird called MJ as god disguised as Jordan after they swept the Bulls in '86, when he was regarded as the best in the league.. Jerry West and Kerr still consider MJ as the Best ever today.. Most if not all surveys had Jordan as the greatest by a wide margin.. U cant argue that Lebron is better in any aspects of basketball except his playmaking.. despite all of todays advancements in everything.. Artest guarded MJ, Kobe and Lebron, and said he is far better, Jordan is

​@@charleswilliams6758I can DEFINITELY say, Michael Jordan is better than lebron. And its not even close. 🤡🤣🤣 All lebron has got is longevity. Mj didn't NEED 20+ allstar/ hall of fame players just to make it to the finals and STILL have a losing record

Nope makes him an OLD BULLY

John Havlicek has 8 rings and nobody called him the goat? So what's your point Skippy?

​@@sir.lancelot8338False parallel. Hondo was never the franchise player of the Celtics. Even if you say he was, Boston lost in The Finals. Jordan didn't. There's more to this, but I'll stop right here.

agree bro!......mJ THE G O A T!

Facts. 6 chips 6 MVP’s as well and wasn’t called the GOAT.

After Jerry Krause and Phil Jackson saved him from himself. 1-9.

@@Los150who was Phil before he coached the Bulls? We only know Phil because he got to coach Jordan.

Totally agree. Stats, championships, awards and accolades are byproducts of greatness, not inputs to a formula for determining greatness. Once you’ve identified the field, you have to look at the players themselves - how they prepared, how they competed, what they did to make themselves and their teams better and able to win. To do that, you have to have witnessed the careers of those you are comparing. I grew up in the 80s, so I saw the careers of Magic, Bird, and MJ, and on through LeBron and today’s other superstars. I have to rely on the opinions of those who also saw the great players before then. I hear people like Jerry West and Bobby Knight say MJ was the greatest they ever saw. With all that, I continue to believe MJ is the greatest, and he is hands down the player that I’d want first if I want to win.

It's ALL opinion based. There's no full agreement even amongst those who saw both play (as a player themselves or as a fan). I've watched pro basketball since the ABA days (70's). I don't have a goat, but I believe Lebron is a better all-round player than MJ. If forced to pick a goat basketball player overall (highschool, college, pro) I'm picking Alcindor/Jabbar. Most dominant....Wilt, he owns the NBA record book. Greatest winner- Bill Russell 11/13 rings, 8 in a row...having to go through Wilt while undersized himself. What I'm not going to do is run down these current players and their era in order to up hold any previous great as The Goat. As a fan of the game I'm going to enjoy the talents of Giannis, Jokic, Curry, Kyrie, Tatum, Halliburton, Luka, Embid, Lillard, SGA, Anthony Edwards, Wembanyama, Holmgrem...etc.

Kareem definitely is the goat to some people and in the conversation

@@sheltondmello8031 true, some do say that. Not many, probably less than 10% but still true.

I'm taking 8 rings or 11 rings 😂😂

@@sir.lancelot8338 bron definitely isn’t your guy then lol

@323johnnybravo You don't get it do ya? lol let me explain it to you so that you will understand, ok You see, just because someone has 6 rings it dosen't automatically qualify them as the goat. Are you keeping up?🤣 You see, other things come into play, for example...The eye test, longevity, physical ability, most points score, clutch plays, shot blocking, scoring, etc...Do you get the picture now???

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@sir.lancelot8338you dnt get do u you cnt Bragg about another players accolades like it’s goin to benefit lebum bill Russell avg 15ppg nobody thinks he’s the goat 🤡 and whether yall lebum fans like it or not rings are goin to get brought up in a goat debate so get over it lebum is behind jordan in rings mvps dpoys finals mvps scoring titles steal titles 1st team all defense and ppg not to mention Jordan has the most buzzer beaters and most blocks at his position but u see we dnt judge nba players off all time stats we judge nba players off yr to yr awards and per game stats not all time bull crap do u not get the pic 🤡😂😂😂😂

don't forget the two years in Washington which Jordan fans like to forget.

@@darren-l5d in my early 50's from south chicago watched mj as a young kid when he hit theb floor in 85 I DONT FORGET! mj's years with wizards inmfact i want them brought up! lebron right now is the same age as mj was with the wizards look up how many 30 pt games mj had look up how many 40 pt games he had mj set a record that will NEVER! be broken the only player at 40 yrs old to score more then 50 pts mj dropped 51 pts at 40 years old there a youtube video mj's coach with the wizards and players from than talk about how mj dropped almost 100 pts in 48 hours back to back games the night after he dropped 51 pts he dropped 40 something so ya i definitely want mj's wizards yrs talked about

​@user-sm1ri5uz2z the Wizards as Jordan to play to boost attendance and revenue and in return he would be given part ownership.....they was not acting on a win now scenario

Are you clueless? Wilty is the greatest. Jordan couldn’t beat anyone for 6 years. Walt Clyde Frazier was the greatest guard.

Jordan had no outside shot. Couldn’t dribble. Played defense once in a while. Total ball hog. Never passed. Streetball. Rauf torched him always. David skywalker Thompson better offensive player. Higher jumper. I could go in forever. Todays game is streetball not basketball. No one today can even dribble properly. No skill. It’s like playing tennis without a net. Different game completely

If MJ was truly the GOAT you wouldn’t need to be on her caping for him. Grown men getting insecure over their idols 💀

So that settles it, Bill Russell is the real GOAT, according to you.

MJ had the greatest career in terms of accolades, but that doesn't make him the better player because you're comparing what MJ did in his era to someone else in their era. Competition varies. Not everything is created equal. I don't know why you guys don't understand that everyone's career path is different. MJ's greatness is heavily relied on his titles, which is a team accomplishment. If MJ was as good as he was but won 1 or 2 less titles, that shouldn't change how people view him because it's not all on one player to win & that's where people mess up. If you put Olajuwon on the Bulls in '91 & MJ on the Rockets in '91, MJ doesn't get 6 titles. MJ being on the best team relative to his era to win those 6 titles is overlooked. When MJ was losing to the Pistons 3x in a row, MJ was still the best player. When Kobe lost to the Suns 2x, he was still the best player. When LeBron was losing to the Warriors, he was still the best player. THE BEST PLAYER DOESN'T ALWAYS WIN. And lastly, MJ was dubbed the greatest in '92, with less accolades than Russsell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird & Magic. Funny how accolades didn't matter for MJ but now matter for LeBron. The hypocrisy.

@@tjleaf3510the entire ESPN capes for Lebron everyday

@@tjleaf3510 are you talking about Lebron himself coz that's what he's been doing for years talking to media that he's the goat while Jordan never said he's the goat

How 'bout more turnovers than anyone?

and has nicknames recognized by most fans that contain negative words such as flop, crybaby, choke, brick, ankle, excuse, travel, fraud etc.

Don’t forget quiting on his team …….. Twice !!!

How many playoff series wins does Mike have without Scottie?

​@@_CPerkhow many rings does wade had when lebron joins him in miami?

+ LJ blames other players & staff and gets the media critics to say, "He needs more help."

Class, dignity and grace by quitting twice 😂😂. Not even going to mention the gambling stuff. Y’all MJ Stan’s are wild

​@@marcodraven9778every year for his entire career. Every single off season ESPN be putting all these crazy trade scenarios together to try and get LeBron more help. Like when Kyrie was leaving the Nets espn was trying to say he was going to end up in LA.

@@_CPerk retiring isn't quitting, James quit during games, you LeBron stans are wild, I never heard of retiring as quitting

​@@_CPerk u a straight 🤡 huh 😂 MJ retired quitting is what LeBron does in the middle of games when he's losing seen it for myself countless times 😂😂 Bronsexuals be weird AF 😂

Facts

Emmitt will tell you he's not Jim Brown, Barry Sanders or Walter Payton. To me, he's no OJ Simpson, Tomlinson, or Dickerson. Any of those guys on Dallas' teams would rush for 2,500 yards!

​@@choward5430I don't even think Emmitt was better then Adrian Peterson tbh

Y'all crazy AF on the Emmitt Smith take

@@choward5430stop it…. You don’t know football

Yeah right! That's only in your feeble little mind Skippy 😂

​@@sir.lancelot8338😂😂did you listen to the show "Skippy"😂😂😂 idiots damn😂

He has never been the GOAT

Lebron is not over kobe idc what anyone says Lebron got outscored by Jason terry in nba finals in his prime averaging 17 points a game STOP IT

The stupidity in that line is crazy

Please

Exactly. That’s why there’s a difference between the fans of the team and Lebron fans. Lebron fans follow him where he goes which is fine but the team fans can’t count on Lebron staying. He won’t play his whole career on your team.

He spent that many years in college because he wasn't good enough to come straight out of high school like Lebron

@averyb.476 Yeah keep believing that.

Bron has not been no face of the league for 20 years stop the cap 🤣. More like almost 15 years and I would argue Steph and Kobe were more popular than Bron a few of those years. Jordan played against HOF not bums; y’all act like the 90s was the 60s lol and we love the shoes not just because of how they look but what he did in them.

@@Southernplayalistic_96the 90s starting guards was mainly white dudes . Mj is great yes but media won’t let this topic go I highly doubt lebron cares about passing Jordan in the eyes of men over 50

Is that you LeBron ???

Didn't know Shaq was a bum but ok

If I was playing a Superteam I would want Lebron, 1 of them never beat a Superteam in his career (i.e 3 HOF 's + coach e.g Jordan, Pippen, Rodman + Phil) If I was playing a 1 HOF team (like Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns) I would pick Jordan. I would need a teammate that leads Jordan ALL TIME in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, 3 pointers and top 10 with Jordan in Steals 🤫. And also the teammate would lead Jordan ALL TIME PLAYOFFS in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, Steals and 3 pointers

And bonds was still far and away the better more feared hitter lol

@@jonaheverage7001 Bonds only hit over 50 HR one season also imagine Hank on Roids 🤣💯

@@stevey297 imagine what bonds numbers would be if he didn’t get walked 2600 times. Bonds had 14 consecutive seasons of a OPS above 1.000, Aaron had 5 total. lol it’s not even comparable. Steroids were legal in Aaron’s time, who knows what he could’ve used as an advantage.

@@jonaheverage7001 Not pre-steroids Barry Bonds. Pre-steroids Barry Bonds could barely hit 30 homeruns.

@@JohnHVet also not true he had 6 straight 30+ hr seasons before the steroid allegations.

he was never in his career consider that because of players like Kareem who was better.

LeBron has more points, rebounds and assist... so what are you talking about

😂😂😂 NAH we not gone forget about them years out in Washington

To the goat debate sure, but 21 years of All-Star level play isn’t a negative

@@malikdavis4457we counting those wizard years but also every stats you named is about longevity by the way.

​@@tomstorm7926he passed mj on less shots

Jordan really doesn’t care, he never responds, despite all the lies and narrative rewriting, Jordan’s legacy speaks for itself

The same thing wilt said about scoring, he really could've put the all time pts out of reach

I don't think it was that he was bored, I think it was that Jerry Krause broke the team up(probably outta jealousy) by firing PJ and I think MJ decided he'd had enough of the Bulls at that point.

If I was playing a Superteam I would want Lebron, 1 of them never beat a Superteam in his career (i.e 3 HOF 's + coach e.g Jordan, Pippen, Rodman + Phil) If I was playing a 1 HOF team (like Charles Barkley Phoenix Suns) I would pick Jordan. I would need a teammate that leads Jordan ALL TIME in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, 3 pointers and top 10 with Jordan in Steals 🤫. And also the teammate would lead Jordan ALL TIME PLAYOFFS in Assists, Rebound, Blocks, Steals and 3 pointers

FACTS

Nobody Even Argues for Kobe to be in The Discussion lol Nobody Thinks Kobe is The Goat Sorry Buddy Lmao !

@@paulrawdawgpayne3543 Lol The Chase down Block Made Legendary by who ? oh ok gtfoh lol .

Kobe?😅😅😅😅😅 You’re dismissed from the grown folks table.

Bill Rusell died and mj still chasing him

Dont disrespect Peyton like that. Lol

Tom Brady is not undefeated in the Superbowl if Brady was I would agree.

Tom Brady has a winning record not LeBron

Tom Brady has more rings then any franchise does and has all the longevity stats and set several single season records I say he passed MJ as the best team sport athlete of all time in my opinion

MJ don't have the most rings

He in better shape

The media has not mentioned once that he is the turnover king. Brett Farve did get a shout out even he became the int king

He is better than you, has more money, and globally recognized. What do you have to say about your sad life?

@@rockpete1237 hate

Jordan played 15 years lol

Greatest ever Finals loser definitely.

Naw bruh

you should text your goat Shames and tell him to win back to backs for LA 😂…3 years without ring since 2020

Top Ten: M.J., Magic, Bird, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, Lebron, Kobe, Curry.

Exactly, but no one is making that argument 😂😂

And there was hand-checking back then for defense. Not standing around to pick n roll for three or moving out of the way for a layaup or a dunk.

Lebron has banners dummy, and Lebron broke it so we’re talking about him dummy 😂😂 u guys don’t understand, 39k is something you have never heard before

@@tkbaku3036 39k but didn’t even attempt to score 1v1 vs Kyrie in the final possession😂 that’s more unheard of😂

Yes, and it takes 15 man roster to put banners up, so why are you giving all the credit to Michael Jordan that does not make any sense?🤷🏽‍♂️😂😂

@@MoeBeenHooping it’s pretty much a consensus that most if not all credit went to Jordan whether you accept it or not.

The game LeBron broke the scoring record he LOST That's his career in a nutshell.

He not supposed to win championships. He only player to try win championship. Giannis just got Dame to try win one, James harden went to clippers to try win one, Kevin Durant went phoenix to yet another team to try win one etc... You don't make sense

​@@escobarrizzay3599don't put Giannis in the same sentence as LeBron and these other guys. Giannis was getting smoked in the playoffs year after year, but he never bailed on his team. Those other guys did and Giannis ended up winning one. Plus Giannis didn't beg Dame to come join him. Dame was traded

@escobarrizzay3599 The same applies to those players, too, but none of those players are compared to mj, his path to winning is respected more because he didn't jump ship when things got hard, the Chicago bulls were one of the worst teams in NBA when Jordan got there but he stayed and went through the years of not winning but never left, in my opinion great players shouldn't have to leave and join up to go win, Jordan's path was harder than any of the players you mention, he won doing it way, 6-0 NBA finals

@@MikeBNumba6 it just came out he was texting dame just that to come there. But of course you speak on what you hope and feel. I speak on what's been publicly reported facts CASUAL 😂

Absolutely...I agree...that's my main reason why I can never put Lebron over Jordan among many other reasons but that's one of the reasons I don't put him above Jordan... Jordan stayed in Chicago and went through the process and stuck it out in spite of the team he was drafted by and those bums he played with where his teammates were on drugs.... Michael over came that mess that was in Chicago.....

His head grew 3 sizes over his career he was definitely juicing

Lol he was natural

He spends a million dollars on his body every post season aka untraceable PEDs

Lebron real ranking is 8th all time.

Lebron is better than kobe ,duncan and shaq but he aint better than mj,magic,kareem,or bill russell

@@abdeenabdul7803bill Russell was on a stacked team

I agree, there are many players ahead of him, and unlike them, he flops and whines like a baby, pouts and quits when it gets hard. NOT respectable... but all that aside, hes very lucky if an honest person puts him top 10. MEDIA has LIED and covered his faults for him for so long people are brainwashed.

@@brian6816 "Russell was on a stacked team" SERIOUS??? Lebrons been stacking teams since 2010, infact had the most help in history, do we REALLY need to LIST them all? 28 OLYMPIAN team mates Lebron has had.. come on man.

Bonds is a better comparison because everyone with a properly functioning brain knows Bonds/Bron are better than Ruth/Jordan. Not even a debate

@wcarlosbrown yeah. We know Bonds had that juice too-that juice you inject in alternating butt cheeks every day.

Well, actually, Josh Gibson had the juice, but not the opportunity. Sathel Paige had the juice, but not the opportunity.

Agreed. The 2018 team wasn't a super team, but your weak East argument does still hold.

@@iwhynacht1 facts. That's all I'm saying. You have to be consistent in comparing the 2 with all things the same. He knocked Mike for retiring while ignoring Bron had top tier talented help. Imagine Mike going to NY and joining Ewing and telling Barkley to come to NY. What team is beating them in the east? Then later he goes back to Chicago and plays with pippen and Grant Hill. Then goes west and joins Hakeem. I mean he's giving him credit for going to all those finals while ignoring how he got there. That's all I'm saying

​@iwhynacht1 2018 wasn't a super team, but it was still a very good team. That team had a lot of depth with good shooters. Compared to the teams in the east they were good. Only tough team they faced was Boston, but that was when Boston lost Kyrie Irving who was by far their leading scorer

@@MikeBNumba6 right

Toronyo raptors as the number 1 seed in the east with lowry and derozan as their best players is a joke.

It's not as wild as thinking a player who achieved less in (much) more time, while also being statistically inferior in many more categories, is somehow the greater player.

It's the win percent LeBron over 20 years has a 40 percent in finals. While MJ has 100 percent winning all 6 with 2 threepeats which is the record.

Think of it this way: your wife stays with you for 50 years, does her part in being a wife, she knows you really want kids so she lets you have a mistress who is as great of a person as your wife, and she gets you 5 kids. You may love your wife but, if the mistress isn’t a bad person, you know the mistress >> your wife. In another world, you would have been better off marrying your mistress but you happened to marry your wife first. Longevity vs “results.” NBA team valuations go insane after a championship run. A player’s status goes through the roof. A championship is what everyone wants.

BECAUSE HE HANDLES THE BALL!!! HELLO!!

Hey kid….go play 2k.

@bossK78 well, my point is he can't handle it very well! Muppet!

@djangojenkins7019 at 47 years old I leave it to the grandchildren

The King of Turnovers! 😅

They always do when they make that argument for him.

Also assuming Jordan won’t quit twice on you too. See how that works?

@@Mrmjr80 no he didn't assume that. He put that in his equation. Pay attention. See how that works? Lol either way, what I'm saying is you still get Mike, 6 rings, in 11-13 years and a dynasty franchise despite retiring twice. Bron is out on you and you maybe get 1 or 2 rings. Maybe. The rest of his years is somewhere else. That's the point

@@Mrmjr80 lol you mean he'd quit after winning a three peat? I'll take that any day compared to what LeBron did. Quit in the middle of a pivotal playoff game and then go run to another star player's team begging Melo and Bosh to come with him

Ummm that’s a stupid comment. Plenty has gone wrong with the lakers.

^as they should! I spank it to MJ at least once a day.

Thank you for your opinion future old head

Lebron would've never left if the Cleveland front office would've actually done their job and traded for some decent talent. That is self evident by the fact that he returned once they got a budding talent in Kyrie Irving and only left once Kyrie ditched him. If Lebron stays, the Cavs never get Kyrie in the lottery and Lebron never even has a legitimate chance at a failing franchise. Dont forget, Jordan almost left the Bulls for the Knicks with Ewing, It would be interesting to see how Jordans career wouldve unfolded in Lebrons shoes.

FACTS

Facts

I be saying the same thing

because its a team game and were talking about Individuals.

Team sport lol Chauncey Billups isn’t better than Allen Iverson

Everybody has their own reasons, but for me, plain simple, I rather have the guy in 13 seasons and have 6 rings! Than having 21 or more seasons and have 4. MJ made a dynasty team with 1 superstar that he created, and LBJ need to have 10 or more superstars to get some! LONGEVITY is VERY WEAK to be considered in GOAT debate. REAL TALK!

@Apocalypse2031 well said my brother

@@castortroy5242 facts

The best team usually wins the Championship! MJ had the best team for 6 years when he didn't have the best team he didn't win plain and simple. The only difference is that LBJ was the favorite to win 3 out of 10 times and he won 2 of those and the other 2 they were underdogs.

Jorand did it all for just 1 failure team, with a crutch named Pippin. Real GOATS, can climb any mountain, and not just one. Sorry, Jordan fans, but those are facts.

Scripted 6. Jordan beat the Sonics and the Jazz man. A team of lebrons bulldoze Jordan's

@@kungfufemafam9216 so he beat a team who has the all time leading assists and steals and the second leading scorer all time back to back?

@@kungfufemafam9216meanwhile Jason Terry and JJ Barea says hi 👋

🤡

@@kungfufemafam9216Facts💯

How many of those finals appearances were in a weak conference lol

Mike played 15 seasons so 6 is not half

@@dparks2856actually 14 because one of those seasons he broke his foot and only played 17 games. You can count it if you want though

@@tomstorm7926 15 seasons. He was back for the playoffs

Technically, if you start a season nearly every team is “playing” for a championship - there’s only ONE winner.

MJ left the basketball entirely when things were tough.

MJ had a better organization around him.. nobody's leaving Chicago. Or LA or Boston. Cleveland wasnt Chicago.. city or organization. Put MJ in Indiana, or Portland and his career would have went different.

@@bossK78you clearly don’t remember Chicago Bulls before Jordan got there

@@emiyanada4252 You mean tough winning 3-peat on 2 separate occasions? Yeah that was tough. AT least he was leaving the franchise with championships.

@@2682shark Trash til Pippen got there.

Eastern conference was not terrible with those 60 win pacers, raptors, and hawks teams not to mention the big 4 Celtics. I could use that argument for Jordan's cupcake finals opponents. Lebrons finals record would look alot better if he was getting clapped in the first round like Jordan

@@DreyW923the only bad thing about the getting clapped part your speaking of a team that’s one of the best of all time that can easily be compared to the warriors lebron faced in the finals

Grow up little boy, grow a pair

​@drey6111 21 seasons, 4 rings. 1 bubble ring where nobody played serious, 2 rings with most stacked team in nba making superteam, 1 ring where a key player got suspended so he can win. Not close. All he got is longevity goat he's definitely not the best basketball player

@@kbthegoat824 bubble ring where nobody played serious but the Nuggets cameback twice one against the favorites to win the whole thing did they go up 3-1 and just say let me just stop trying it’s not serious idk about the goat thing but the bubble narrative needs to end

When you've done it all, you don't need to chase anyone, but to simply keep up with yourself.

The best team usually wins the Championship! MJ had the best team for 6 years when he didn't have the best team he didn't win plain and simple. The only difference is that LBJ was the favorite to win 3 out of 10 times and he won 2 of those and the other 2 they were underdogs. Players win MVP's and Teams win Championships!

Being #2 on the all time list is not bad

​@@GrievingZorrohe's not number 2...he never passed Kobe and he never had the impact or team impact as a magic or bird...period

@@Research-it Finally someone gets it. MJ's GOAT status is contingent upon his titles, which is a team accomplishment. It's the wrong way to measure 2 individuals. Kobe or LeBron on those Bulls teams in that era would've won 6 titles too.

O.J. Simpson was a bigger version of Barry.

​@@mofun5315over jim brown?

Lebron literally has guys on his payroll that speaks on LeBron. . LeBron has created his own TV show with his buddies to talk about how great he is. Lebron is making a museum to explain how great he is. Jordan never had anything like that

@@MikeBNumba6 who really cares tho? This discussion is about BASKETBALL. I'm in no way a LeBron fan at all, but people like you love to take the conversation off the court for whatever reason when you show displeasure with him. You can't deny that he's top 2 or 3 of all time PLAYING BASKETBALL.

I'm a guy that still thinks Mike is the GOAT but these are facts 💯 and Mike also got a toxic fan base but don't wanna admit it.

We’re only toxic to lebron Stan’s because they’re delusional .. talking to lebron fans is like talking to liberals the facts don’t matter 😂

DiD MJ do it?

What the fu8k are you talking about 🤡 Did u know Lebron only just passed Jordan in FGA in his 20th year. SMDH 🤔 Jordan averaged 30.1 PPG on 23 shots per game - 15 yrs. Lebron 27.2 PPG on 20 shots per game - 21 yrs and counting 🤫 GTFOH 🤡 (FGA = 10 scoring titles)

He was the dynasty

​@@dparks2856lol he can't be a part of a dynasty when he's 4-6 and never 3 peat 😂.

@vh2712 4 And 6 in the finals over 13 years is a dynasty for any team

What team

@michaelallen5123 Name me a franchise beside lakers and celtics that would not take going to 10 finals