I still don’t understand how they can give him credit for a consecutive game scoring streak without actually playing in consecutive games! Make it make sense!
@@sosaraycharles358 He did, but no way does he get anything close as in referee or league love than Lecrybaby James. Also, the man at least did it the right way, hes not some baby crying about not having enough help. Man runs back and fourth on court playing both ends, even if he isnt that great of a defender, still tries.
Kobe, Malone, and Kareem all had higher longevity stats than Jordan (especially total points) but no serious person considered them to be better than Jordan. As soon as LeBron passes Jordan, Longevity is the new standard. Pathetic.
@@onlydbrasko , sometimes it's like we're explaining basketball to kids. It's not ONLY about titles or ONLY about longevity. It's about titles, longevity, accomplishments, statistics, etc. It's the body of the individual's work. Jordan achieved way more than LeBron in significantly less time, both at an individual level and a team level. That's where the debate that's never really been a debate ends for LeBron. And if you're going to attempt debating basketball, then do some research. Kareem, Wilt, and Bill were considered the best ever before Jordan (depending on who you spoke to), Bill wasn't universally considered the GOAT. The standard didn't change with Jordan, the standard has always been the standard and Jordan personifies it.
@Zagirus you said a mouthful I agree with everything you said it was so long I couldn't read it all so I'll just wait until your book comes out to finish reading it 😂
LeBron James looks silly refusing to retire, using the weak excuse of wanting to play with his son to hide his intentions to keep playing until he collects longevity awards like All-Time this crap and All-Time that crap, just to inflate his resume with air so that people 20 years from now will look at the records and think that he was was a close second to Michael Jordan’s excellence and perfect NBA Finals record. 🤦♂️
@@vicentecampos2893he’s not top 15 lmao he actively hurts the lakers because he bricks a shot and doesn’t play defense so the team is forced to play 4 v 5. his teammates all hate him, look at how they cheered when they beat boston and lebron left the game early. he’s pouting like a little girl. i used to respect lebron but man, the more i watch him and learn about him the more he disgusts me. How is a “GOAT” still a bum? bro has no bag, no moves, no post up skills, no footwork. 😂😂
@@vicentecampos2893 has no three-point shot sucks from the free door line has no jumper can’t close games and need somebody else to take the pressure off of them go sit down clown
@@LeGOAT829 Okay what’s his best move? what’s his go-to move? he’s your goat, tell me what he can do other than charge down the court and barrel into the paint🤣🤣 He can play as long as he wants and pad those stats but it won’t change that watching him is so cringy🤣 i’m convinced you lebron nut garglers don’t even watch him play🤣🤣
@@von1626 wowww. At the end of the day when you round off all his Laker seasons, it's 55 games. So I don't understand your White Knighting here "🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️"
LeFlop literally load managing on the court while his teammates are forced to play 4 v. 5 defense. And then when he dunks over no one at the other end, dude flexes... What a goddamn 🤡.
If anyone should be praised for longevity when all is said and done, it's Steph. Dude keeps running around and around the court, relentlessly, and would never load manage ON THE COURT. Massive respect for him, hope he keeps going for many years. 😊😊
he will get recognized more for sure he's incredible that's what elite hard work does but like Lebron kobe they constantly works out and keeps his body healthy and ready to go unlike shaq barkley and even to a certain degree jordon toward his wizard's years gambling smoking and putting on unnecessary weight. your body is your temple and we have to be honest about why Jordan didn't last as long
savannah and his personal trainers were exposed as being biogenesis ledger associates... I would say that shit if it wasnt official man @@zelohendricks51
Do you not know how much of a dickhead everybody said Michael Jordan was during his career? Plus LeBron never punched teammates, made fun of his GM every chance he got, has 1/2 the ego that Jordan had and never cheated on his wife. Plus he'll probably use his HOF speech to praise the people that helped him succeed and not shit on people he didn't like.
Because to him its more about stats over everything hopefully LeBron is watching all of these RU-vidrs exposing his stats for what they are lol there's no way he's not
You mean the help MJ received from Tim Grover, who in 1989 at 29 years old got him to add 15 lbs of pure muscle without losing skill or touch in one off-season?
@@phillyphan1346 No, I mean the help that began when Lebron returned to Cleveland in 2014 and the much-overhyped season debut was a complete flop. He was lifeless, no elevation, no explosion to his step. The drop-off was jaw-dropping and concerning to everyone. Lebron soon departed the team for "unknown reasons" and he returned jumping out of the gym and doing superhuman things again. Just weeks apart. He continued to take this several day trip to Miami each season and is very known to team officials, fans and the league alike.
@@wjatube What evidence do you have this took place and this is what happened? You're tin foil hat is telling you that at age 28 (in 2014), Lebron "lost" his athleticism- then proceeded to get PED's which miraculously brought back all his ability which was on display just the year prior? Get a hobby kid
@@hansonlee5847 nah tht dude is overly bias and lost me by being on the Lamar is a RB train so kinda hard to take his criticism of others seriously. AOH and this channel sticks to video evidence and facts
PEDs. Just look up the BioGenesis investigation from last year (2023). Savannah is on the list. Last time I checked. She is not built like Chyna from the WWE. Sooo, who was she picking up BioGenesis products for? Hmmm.
@bigbearkat2010 facts he didn't let a positive covid test stop LeBron or any Lakers teammates from playing every team's players that wasn't on the Lakers had to go to covid protocols
The thing that I hate the most is the media makes up weird ass stats like “Lebron is the ONLY player in NBA history to average 20 points with only his left hand on a Thursday night while wearing yellow socks” to boost his career 🤣🤣🤣
I’m so glad people are seeing this ridiculousness .. I’ve been saying this to my friends for yearsssss.. I’ve never seen more made up shit except when it comes to LeGM
Lebum isn’t even near the oldest player to win a ring. Parish was 43. And Kareem did it when he was 39 and 40. That’s longevity where it really matters
@@tdup191 kareem between the 1985-89 finals averages 18/6/2 and 1.5 blocks. lebron in his most recent finals averaged 30/11/8 and is averaging 25/8/7 this season.
Lebum King of Longevity it still doesn't make him the GOAT BIRD is still the Greatest Small Forward and he didn't have to play 20 seasons he played long enough to the Younsters
By Lebum and his LeBonehead fans' logic, Jokic will be the GOAT if he wins one more championship and finals mvp. What I mean is: Lebum has 2 less mvps and championships than Jordan, but Lebrickians call him the GOAT because of longevity stats. Jokic is dwarfing Lebum's triple double record almost 10 years faster so I guess him having 2 less championships and mvps than Lebum with better advanced stats makes him the GOAT. 🤔🤣
When he first joined the Lakers fools like Nick Wrong were debating on how many rings he'd need to surpass MJ. No talks at all about Kareem or anything like that. Fast forward to LeKunta getting the black beaten off his ass and suddenly "rings don't tell the whole story" while while longevity stats suddenly hold way more weight. That clown Rich Paul didn't just randomly start spewing nonsense trying to devalue rings for no reason.
Rings are a team accomplishment, not individual. Rings do not tell the story- context matters. If context did not matter- Bill Russell would be the GOAT.
@@phillyphan1346of course rings don't matter alone. MJ still obliterates lechoke on accolades and offensive and defensive skill set and efficiency. If MJ padded his stats like lechoke and cared about total points, he would've reached that feat in less years than bron (despite not playing in 3pt era) and bron would still chasing him.😂😂
I agree with your take on longevity praise. It's irrelevant. If some people want to hold on to it that's fine with me. What matters to me in a G.O.A.T debate, is how long you sat at the mountain goat position at the top. MJ and the Bulls obviously have two 3 peats, which is the very pinnacle of the NBA and stayed there for 6 out of 10 seasons in the 90s. Those teams led by Jordan also sent messages during the regular season that they were the top and, "If you come at the king, you best not miss." Or in the words of Yulaw (Jet Li), "I don't need to know you. You only need to know me. I will be the one."
@@sosaraycharles358 Not so fast. There wasn't a Finals MVP award during the Russell - Celtics domination era. I know definitely for Mike's rings, he was the best player on the court. Robert Horry was pivotal in securing the rings he has with the Rockets, Lakers, and Spurs, but he wasn't the Finals MVP. The conclusion of that title of Finals MVP says "you are the primary reason your team won those 4 games," in a duel between the two best teams in the league, that year.
jordan had 6 years where you could say he was the guy championship wise . The problem is he only went to 6 finals . Now imagine if he had to go 6 more . Do you jordan fans still believe that he would be perfect? . Hakeem Olajuwon is perfect in finals but he only went to two finals i. longevity does indeed matters alot because its becomes harder and harder to keep playing the older you get. its easier to dominate in your physical prime
@@ryanr20091Not so fast. I'll walk with you on the longevity performance convo - LeBron James is currently ranked 24th in the NBA in points per game for the 2023-24 season, with an average of 24.8 points. In Jordan's last season at age 40 with the wizards, he average of 20.0 points per game during the 2002-2003 NBA season placing him 26th in the league for scoring that year. Now walk with me on player domination when the player is at the peak of his powers and talent. In the words of Sherm Edwards, "You play the game to win." I'm not saying Jordan would have won 8 out of 10 seasons in the 90s, but 6 out of 10 is impressive. In which decade did Bron dominate with the ultimate prize in the NBA - a Finals title with the Finals MVP crown? I don't expect you to agree with the argument here, so we can agree to disagree.
@@ryanr20091 No so fast. I will walk with you on this longevity argument. LeBron James is currently ranked 24th in the NBA in points per game for the 2023-24 season, with an average of 24.8 points, at age 39. In Jordan’s last year with the Wizards he averaged 20.0 points per game placing him 26th in the league for scoring that year, at the age 40. Vince Carter played across 4 different decades. He was a beast until later in his career when compared to his younger self. You can say this for any NBA player like Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, etc. If you don’t think Vince was that dude, he was one of the dudes they anointed as the next Jordan. LeBron is a phenomenon that we won’t see again. In an already elite fraternity of NBA players of which there have been approximately 5,000 over the entirety of the NBA, he is in the conversation of elite of the elite - no doubt. But when it comes to the GOAT - there is just one dude there - Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He owned 6 out of 10 seasons in a decade. He was that era. In what decade or era was LeBron YuLaw? He has just as many rings in the 2010s as Steph Curry (and Steph got 3 of his 4 rings against LeBron led teams). I mean history will probably look back on the 2010s when LeBron was at the height of his powers like Magic versus Bird, LeBron versus Steph. Let me put this last point on Jordan’s name and legacy. When people talk about excellence and domination in other sports or endeavors, they refer to it as Jordanesque. The dude is the yard stick. He’s the stick!
LeBron doesn't have a legitimate championship he has 3 superteam rings and a Disney bubble gum tournament ring Jokic and Giannis 1 ring is worth more than all of LeBron's copper rings combined
@@mr.perfect1749 didn’t Jordan have a super team too with pippin and Rodman and also having the greatest coach? Also should the nba just not have played that season at all? Did you watch any of those “bubble” games?
@rossdoonan6220 yeah, it was the 7th easiest title run in the last 50 years, and their competition was largely injured, in a tournament where players were either banned or opted from competition all together. It was a bogus title
Lebron is overrated in general, here's a player that has had the privilege to be a player and gm all at once but still have loosing record in the finals, the most turnovers in nba history and the only player to get swept in 3 different decades. And some how ranks himself as the GOAT.
@LeGOAT829 its not hate when its fact, lebron hasn't been the best player in the nba since 2020 nor played all 82 games and hasn't won a championship since 2020.
LeBron’s longevity is a double edged sword. Sure he’s managed to maintain his prime for a freakish amount of time, despite this, he still doesn’t touch the number of accolades and accomplishments Mj got. It didn’t take MJ 20 years to get his 6 rings, 6 FMVPs and 10 scoring titles…it only took 13 (really 11 if you count his injuries) years
6 but only 6 finals . you see how longevity matter over perfection as it becomes harder the older you get to maintain elite status that long in any capacity . . Also the laws of average says the longer you play the harder it is to maintain perfection. lets say you give Jordan 6 more finals only then could you even compare the two and give a fair assessment of said outcome.
You try defending the skilled perimeter players today ''one on one'' and tell me how it turns out mr defense expert lol. Yall don't know what you are even talking about just listen to other idiots.
LeBron spent his first seven years playing on crap Cavs teams and still managed to take them to a finals. Plus his competition was tougher than Jordan's. Jordan only played against excellent Finals teams twice in his career (the Jazz).
@@ChiSportsNut18all the teams tge Bulls faced in the finals were great. The whole play-offs count. The Bulls played better competition to get to the finals
How is Jordan's Wizards years underwhelming? He set a lot of records for his age. If he wanted to get titles, he would be in the Lakers, the Spurs or the Trailblazers. Also do not compare MJ with the underachieving stat padder with the losing record. Thank you.
Probably because MJ's offensive game on the Wizards was solely post-up fade aways which is why he had ghastly efficiency numbers and also didn't make the playoffs either year. There is zero doubt which player is better at age 38 and 39. Zero.
@@phillyphan1346 You missed the point. MJ wasn't interested to necessarily win championship with the Wizard as co-owner. You forgot he came out from three years retirement with known knee issues and broken ribs from his practice with Ron Artest. The reason MJ Wizard did not make to the playoff is injury. Let remind that Wizard were on the pace to reach the playoff before MJ got injured. Knee injury are no joke.
@ryanr20091 he was injured and was about to make the playoffs before injury with a team that has Noone. He actually got them from 0 to a very good spot until he got injured. Lebron cannot make the playoffs with multiple stacked teams, a play in tournament and during a weaker era.
Longevity and finals appearances wasn't really celebrated as much until Lebron came along. Kareem made 10 appearances and won 6. Lebron made 10 appearances and won 4. Never in the history of any sport has losing in the finals been celebrated until Lebron James came along.
Why do you care much about a finals mvps. You do understand that finals mvp doesn't necessarily mean better player . Iguodala won final mvp anything voted on is subjective young man
I could play in the nba if nobody makes me play defense and the rules get bent for my weaknesses. But it wouldn’t be fun for y’all to watch. So in conclusion nothing would change from the current NBA era
Do consecutive game streaks count if you load manage and play only 55 games per year for the past 6 years? Bronze's consecutive 10+ scoring streak should have been over with load management.
@@LeGOAT829 He’s not the goat lmao And it’s actually way more about hating his fans than hating him, because I don’t. My comment dissed y’all, not him lol
I can't knock Curry. He was never all world on defense, but he at least gave effort. He used to be constantly hunted on defensenuntil he greatly improved. Durant plays defense as well.
This is false, in the playoffs Curry is ALWAYS hunted, that has not stopped teams from ISO'ing him every opportunity in the post season. Even in the regular season game against LAL, Curry was pulled from the game in a few sequences which were defensive possessions at the end of the game. That speaks volumes.
@@jaymac4448 No I refuted your point. He still gets hunted to this day and he literally is being pulled on defensive sequences- so clearly he did not improve like you said. Is today opposite day??
@phillyphan1346 it's okay to not like him. But to say he didn't improve on defense is clearly just unintelligent. Plus, the topic of the whole discussion clown is today's superstars not putting in the work on both ends of the floor.
@@phillyphan1346he gets "hunted" Because he always has elite wing defenders on the floor with him, so it would be stupid to attack those guys over curry. Your king gets hunted too, kd wanted LeBron and lebron ran like the coward he is
Lemme mention one more thing: Timeouts and game breaks... Game today is so diluted it is crazy... One attack and timeout, FTs, checking replay, adds timeout, etc. And all of that lasts for so long because there's always some kind of show during it...
Thats actually a ridiculously retarded question...LeBron has also missed the playoffs when he got to the Lakers with a far more talented team that Mike had in Washington...And even though Mike played with crackheads and bums his first few years in Chicago he NEVER missed the playoffs prior to getting Scottie. Lebron didn't make the playoffs until his 3rd year in the league and also had far more talent in Cleveland than Mike had in his first years...What are you talking about?
Lebron rests all season long. And has over 200+ games he didn’t play in the regular season. Just look it up He averages 71 games played a season. In the last 20 seasons that is 220 games he didn’t play. That’s more than two seasons worth of games. (164). Bron is working on his third regular season worth of games off. If he misses 26 games this season he’d have 3 seasons worth of games off. Oh and dont give me the playoff’s games BS. Plenty of players played all 82 games and went deep in playoffs. If bron is resting so he can play more playoff games than that means he’s not capable of playing full 82 and going all the way. So his longevity is manufactured.
@@based3716the worst era by far is this era followed by the time between Wilt’s retirement and Magic and Bird coming in and saving the league. The time between Wilt’s retirement and Magic and Bird coming in had playoffs and finals that were not on live tv but shown tape delayed because the league was too thuggish but this era of Primadonnas is worse.
They did load manage back in the 90s they did it by managing minutes, I remember back in 72 win season often times the starters sat out during the forth quarter so the incentive was to kick the crap out of teams to get rest and keep your bench active so they can be used in the playoffs effectively. It's retarded what they do now and it just hurts players legacies because they don't face the rigors of a 82 game season with actual defense. Man they really need to re assess their product.
Jordan was that gamer that was the best even when nerfed by terrible internet connection. Lebron is that gamer that complains he was nerfed by his state-of-the-art internet connection
Jordan did have a playoff mode...but it was even more intense than what he did in the regular season... It kills me watching your footage. So many uncontested dunks and layups, so many times Lebron's teammates give up a clear shot for him to get more points, so much travelling, charging, and offensive fouls that never get called...
Especially with the addition of the play in tournament, there are far too many playoff teams. The clear result is that the regular season games don't matter as much any more. Reduce the number of playoff teams so that load managing can lead your team to early rounds of golf and you'll see a lot less load management.
Excellent video and ditto points. 👍👏 I'd argue Curry isn't THAT bad of a defender as you play him out to be, I mean, he definitely tries on that end (unlike LeCone), but he's just not great at it. 😊
Exactly, he’s too short to get the respect he deserves on the defensive side cause a bad defender isn’t winning a contested rebound against Anthony Davis or stopping a backdown in the post against nurkic
@@dvdv8197 Didnt say he was a bad defender but due explain what makes a defender ''good' since according to you all defensive teams aren't a great indication as to how good or bad a defender is .
@@ryanr20091 I wouldn't say he's a good defender, I'd say he's average. Thing is, being motivated and trying on that end gets you a long way, especially in today's NBA.
My background is baseball but I've been enjoying watching the basketball content. Is there a Stat in basketball to measure defensive points saved? Similar to baseballs outs above average or defensive runs saved? A more objective measure of a players defensive contributions?
@@LeGOAT829 lebum never led the league in steals or blocks but Steph has and Steph average more steals for his career than LeBron and kobe lol the facts don't agree with u Steph has a steals titles lebron don't
@@based3716 i didn't say he was a better defender but I think he better then LeBron specifically steph better at steals LeBron better at blocks but LeBron rarely even try even tho he got all the physical advantages that's worst when u don't even have the effort
Jordan played 82 games 8 times in his Bulls career and 9 times total. He played another 2 seasons where he played 80-81, and one more where he played 78 games. The only three seasons he played under 78 games were the season early in his career when he broke his foot, his baseball sojourn, and his first year in Washington when he was injured and missed the last 22 games of the season. In his last season, he played 82 games. Jordan had an attitude of "My team is playing a game that I could help them win, so I'm playing'. If you load manage, you aren't the GOAT.
MJ fan here. To be fair, longevity is impressive and not for nothing since this is an entertainment business and the longer you are able to perform as a player at a high level the better. However, to me this plays very little in terms of who I think is the better player or the more accomplished player. Prime vs Prime (who is going to compare the non-prime years?), I don't think anyone will argue that MJ wasn't the greatest we have ever seen and also the greatest winner during that period of time. Not only did he dominate as an individual, his team also won as the result of his dominance. So while I give Lebron a lot of the credit for playing this long, and rightfully so, it would have only been a huge factor if MJ's career was cut short by injury or something. The thing is, MJ had a relatively long career for someone from his era, so I don't think it is a negative when compared to Lebron who has modern medicine and modern training regime to support that, not to mention MJ has the edge in term of games played per season. Being there night in and night out is what MJ sacrificed for longevity.
MJ cared about the fans in that he knew they were spending their hard earned money to see him and the rest of the stars. Not playing when you are 100 percent capable just because you want to rest or load manage is cheating the fans who pay to watch you play.
15 seasons is average compared to Kobe Kareem LeBron and Malone . this is where jordan fallls short and yes his bulls years were great for the time being, but he played less in his wizard's years because he didn't even make the playoffs once lol . you see the problem with most Jordan fans is they want to discount longevity because it doesn't favor Jordon as this mythical statue for everyone to worship . The truth is he had is easier playing less games seasons and playoff games and finals games and doesnt compare to kobe Lebron and kareeem . remember Lebron started when jordan career ended so he's really not a modern day superstar is he ? Thats another mistake jordon fane make judging him like he just got here 10 years or even15 ago. Lebron has overlapped several eras and had to adapt to the modern era . you see how that works?
@@ryanr20091 oh no one is saying longevity isn't important, I said it in my post that we shouldn't discount it. However, what we are saying is that MJ played more game per season (if you want to include those deep playoff runs Lebron had we can, and not for nothing MJ made playoffs every year except those 2 Wizard years, Lebron has missed his fair shares of playoffs too) and less rest in those era. Again, not Lebron's fault that this is how it is now, but you can't say that the way the game works doesn't prolong players career with less back to back game and more rest and load management. Thats why you can't compare players from different eras, and MJ himself said it many times that without Kareem without magic and without Dr J there will be no Michael Jordan, and therefore it is unfair to have a goat. Lebron on the other hand has self proclaimed to be the goat numerous times, so you get that why people are talking smack?
@@ryanr20091 and when he retired the first time for baseball, he retired to play another sport. So it wasn't like he took 2 years off to rest, he was getting his wear and tears elsewhere so it wasn't like he was just sitting at home. Not to mention if you play sports before, sitting at home for a couple years instead of working out constantly does the opposite to your body, you age that much faster cuz the lack of activities. What modern day regime does is finding that balance between playing and resting, those back to back games take an extreme toll on your body so the league is regulating that out much more than before. Think of it like this. If you have to play 3 games in 6 days, playing it back to back to back and rest 3 days vs playing those 3 games with 1 day of rest in between, what do you think is better for your body? You can't reverse the tolls those games took on your body with however more rest, that's just how the body works, it reaches a threshold and it starts breaking down.
To make regular season games interesting, those games should count in playoff series. Then, there would not exist play off mode at all. For example: Denver have to play 3 times against the Lakers, now it's 2-0, let's pretend it's 3-0 by the end of regular season (probably will be). If they match in the playoffs, they start 3-0, but instead of 7 games, it's 9 games (even if they had to play 4 games in regular season (or 2 in case of different conference teams), 9 games would be fine in my opinion, and home and away games would be scheduled acounting the games played in the regular season). And to make all star game interesting too, the winning conference has court advantadge in the finals, wouldn't matter the regular season record, since oponents calendar in regular season differ quite a bit from one conference to the other.
@@Dreybaconjr If my idea is the dumbest thing you've seen you might be partially blind. This is how it works in European and World championships (the real ones) between first and second rounds.
@@AverageGuy28 1. The all star game for home field is a terrible idea, as the whole point of that is for the players to just have fun. No one wants to try their hardest and risk getting injured. 2. Why would you change something that’s worked fine for like 60 years? Then there would just be more asterisks being put on everything.
@@Dreybaconjr Ratings ara at an all time low, so it's not working "fine", hence the introduction of in season tournament. No one have fun playing and much less watching the all star game anymore.
Kevin Durant tore an Achilles and is playing near peak at 35. 20 years ago you tore an Achilles and you were that old of you were lucky you could still be a role player. Not saying Lebron's longevity isn't impressive, he's put a lot of work and money into staying this good but this is probably the new normal for guys who put that effort in.
It's absolutely RIDICULOUS how trash the [NBA] media is and has been over the last 2 decade. The fact that they not only glaze guys for doing the bare minimum, but are constantly trying to catapult today's athletes over the greats is embarrassing. It's insulting to the fans, but most importantly, It's insulting to the legends who put in the work to build this league. We're already witnessing this Mahomes & Brady (I don't even like Brady btw).
Longevity can actually hurt a player as well. As they start falling from their peak their athleticism can also start dropping off. Such as being turned over more, a lower fg%, ppg falling off and so on hurts their career stats.
Jordan is not the type of person to do load management, and even if he wanted to, he couldn't. From 95-98, the Bulls were missing Pippen and Rodman for over 40 games, so Jordan couldn't miss a single game. 😂
I could see it if LBJ was diminished and forced to come off the bench. He acts as if he's still in his prime with the same moves. Mj adjusted his game later on and became a midrange assassin
