That 2018 season is VERY deceptive by the way : - league was in transition - only one 60 win team : Houston - neither Conference was particularly competitive Which makes the whole “KD Superteam” narrative a little suspicious : - the 2018 Warriors we’re NOT as good as the 2017 team - they took their foot off the pedal, and coasted during the regular season. - Lebron’s path through the Eastern Conference was at “JV” level, and even though Kyrie had left he still had KLove - 19/11 in the Finals - and a deep bench. - his EC competition (Cavs were the 4th seed) : Pacers (Best player : Oladipo) Raptors (BP : Lowry/DeRozan) Celtics (BP : 2nd year J. Brown) FIRST : anyone saying that a PRIME LBJ team, going against THAT field, ISN’T the favourite in every series, is being completely disingenuous. For context : the Rockets were the #1 seed…but NOBODY had them as the Favourite against the Dubs! SECOND : of the three EC series they played, the Cavs demolished the #1 seed Raptors (which they always did) in a sweep…but struggled against the lower seeded teams - both went 7 games. The East was MEDIOCRE, and yet the Cavs - the favourites - still had problems. THIRD : The Dubs WEREN’T unbeatable : the Rockets showed that…game 1 against the Cavs showed that…. My overall point is that while you can say that beating the Dubs may have been a bridge too far, Lebron taking the Cavs to the Finals with “no help” is overblown…
Shannon Sharpe argues his MJ vs LeBron points like a Filipino run LeBron love Facebook group. He literally sounds like a MJ hate meme. I'm waiting for him to mention Muggsy Bogues and using that as the definition of the 90's. The moment he said "Magic was like 75" he made it clear how limited his debate skills are. I'm certain Rich Paul and LeBron literally give him a script. 55+ year old former pro-athlete talking like a FB tween is pathetic.
Nobody said it did lmfao, Jordan media brainwashed NPCS into thinking an irrelevent stat such as 6-0 actually mattered. "Winning" until it's the first round, where losses there don't matter nor exist
Would haves and ifs don’t count. Even if we’re using what if scenarios and Jordan won 10 championships, he would still have one less than Bill Russell so does that make Bull Russell the greatest of all time. He actually does have 11 championships in 12 appearances. The argument shouldn’t be who is the GOAT. It’s who you like the most. There are way to many variables to ever determine who actually is the best of all time.
That’s ultimately the problem with this so called debate. In order to make it debate they have to try to tear down MJ accomplishments cause their crush can’t live up to them. That in itself ends debate. 10 scoring titles with 9 all defensive times if it’s so easy someone do it I guarantee it’ll never be done.
The fact that Shannon Sharpe bold enough to fix his mouth to say Jordan didn’t play anyone is so disrespectful to everyone in that era. That “He played plumbers” bs needs to stop
@@CHINA2TAPSyeah? Why only 3 championships and 6 losses on a weak conference playing with 2 all stars though?.. 10 championships hahaha you are funny dude
6-0 does mean nothing as an argument, when you have people who have won 7-0 and 8-0 and bill won 11. Can’t use nba championships as a definitive reason. That’s a team accomplishment not player accomplishment. Hell argument can even be made that Kareem is the goat all time over jordan
Great video and thanks for sharing. LOL at Shannon when he thinks he can make an argument by raising his voice and yelling lies = like Magic was 73 years old!!
@@jamesstarter apparently you do this is why you responded! Kwame played 12 seasons in the league he wasn't no bust he didn't have all of those high standards Lebron had
@@maddawgjax actually i could give af fuck less but you made a weak ass point to post a dicksuckin comment about kwame brown under a Jordan and lebron debate. Who the real fuckin wierdo here?!? 🤣
Shannon wanna talk about who MJ faced in his era but one thing is for sure, Shannon will never in his life talk about who lebron was facing in the weak east while he was in his prime playing constantly with two other all stars.. that would just destroy the narrative
@@melvynsngltn27Chicago was trying to get past the bad boy's Pistons finally got past them by sweeping the bad boy's out of the playoffs the same way the Denver Nuggets swept the Lakers this past season.. lol 😂
@@melvynsngltn27 Nope they wasn't the Pistons were coming of back to back championships.. Dude I was there 21 years old at the time born and raised in Detroit
@@JamesLee-nw8kz and the had there worst season since 1986 right or wrong? Isiah had his worst season ever right or wrong? Isiah even got benched during the playoffs right or wrong. Like I said Chicago won not taking nothing away from them but they were already favored before the playoffs started
Honestly, quitting, not playing for 2-3 years, then coming back and playing again is frankly more impressive to me than someone that just continued to play the whole time.
Whats more IMPRESSIVE to me is MJ won 3 straight championships, lost his father, went an played baseball, came back lost to the Magic with Shaq and Penny...and rededicated himself, knocked the rust off and won 3 more straight and was Finals MVP in every one.
@@BlkDieselyep. People forget people doubted Jordan would ever lead his team to a championship again after the loss to the Magic. So he prepared and repeated the same rare feat of leading a team to 3 consecutive championships for a second. Emphatically answering all those who doubt he could. He did it a second time with a completely different teammates and playing a different way then he did the first three-peat.
Sharpe cracks me up when he says Magic was too old in 1991 (32 years old/just won MVP 2 seasons prior, Lakers were a very good team that year), but Lebron beating Duncan and the Spurs in 2013 when Duncan was 36 and then getting beat (4-1) by 37 year old Duncan is completely different 😂. Come on, Shannon…let’s keep things reality!
Yea it makes no sense, not only that look how LBJ fans add years to LBJ’s age. You seen them now saying “look at LBJ doing this at 40 years old”...so that means we can do the same, that means he lost to 39 year old Duncan lol
How's it that people forget to mention MJ has not one but two Olympic gold Medals. One as an amateur, and one as a Pro. Both teams never lost and his amateur team actually beat the NBA players. SMH
What no one seems to mention about MJ's olympic teams is that at the time, basketball was not a global sport. I mean the best foreign player in the 90's was a 6th man of the year candidate in Toni Kukoc. The best foreign players in today game are a stratosphere better than those in the 90's. Another example of how today's players are much, much better (more athletic & more skilled) than the 90's and past eras.
@@phillyphan1346 Youvsoind like a crazy person. None of what you said is true, just myth. Players today are all point guards with ZERO fundamentals. Today's NBA player is a joke.
Jordan? He faced the 1991 Lakers, the 1992 Blazzers, the 1993 Suns, the 1996 Sonics, the 1997 and 1998 Jazz. Each of those teams had at least one or two Superstars and Hall of famers. Plus, he disposed of the Pistons, Knicks, Pacers, again with superstars and hall of famers. Did LeBron leave a Superstar Hall of famer without a ring? Jordan did: Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Miller, among others, never won a ring because of Jordan. You catch my drift Shannon Sharpe?
I don’t think any of a lebrons title teams would beat the teams the Bulls beat. His teams couldn’t even beat Orlando and an aging Boston team. When his teams were favored they lost to Dallas and San Antonio. There is no debate!
@@CHINA2TAPSHighschool in todays league? Shaq and Kobe lost the the Jazz, Lebron didn't win until the 90's star were gone, btw Wade won his first chip in the 2000's something Lebron couldn't. That is why Lebron run to Wade to win only to loss the old Mavs which couldn't win a chip in the 2000's.
The team Jordan faced that was close GS was the 86 Celtics. Now it wasn't the finals, but they did have 5 HoF'erms. Bird, McHale, Parish, Walton, Johnson
They can't say that cause Jordan was only in the league 2 years.coming in in 84 while LeBron had been in the league 10 years before that Golden State team was formed
@@melvynsngltn27 if you telling me wade bosh and allen ain't then you a slow lebron fan by your logic pippen ain't a Hof also because wade is better than pippen so 🤷🏾♂️
You people obviously don’t watch it how many times did his teammates get hurt like almost every season lebron never did you people all probably forget pippen getting hurt and Jordan lost to Shaq and a game 7 but it wasn’t the finals so he’s good do get you guys
@@brianharron3435 MJ fans don’t talk about Jordan losing any other years he ain’t make the finals lol. If that was the case then they would mention how MJ had back to back to back first round loses. Lebron didn’t get a first round lost til 2021 at the age of 35. It’s actually a very tiresome debate. That’s why other sports debate are better. Look at the NBAs HOF compared to ANY other sports. The Nbas is meaningless cuz any and everybody gets in, even without winning much in their careers. “Charles Barkley” my man example of this.
Lebron playing 20+yrs, but you can also say in a more physical era Jordan played all 82 games 9x. Even at 40 he played all 82 games. LBJ just once in a softer era.
Early 2000 pistons Nets Bulls Noah Luel deng Shane battier toney Allen keynon Martin's Ron artest. 2000 to 2010 wasn't no defense playing but hard fouls era but still damn good. Let's not forget the Ltrain who always got closed line or wrapped up b4 scoring.
Shannon will keep getting cooked if he continues to spout nonsensical things like longevity with more losses than wins, acting like Magic was a washed old man, or social media scrutiny (Rich Paul); his 21-year storm didn’t seem to cast a cloud over the entire NBA
I don't think anyone has cooked Shannon on the Jordan vs LeBron because unfortunately, most personalities on TV defending Jordan are terrible at remembering his accolades and numbers, yet they still can beat Shannon because the difference is so overwhelming. You can't really say lefraud is the goat without making a fool out of yourself.
@@carlosrobles5591 I think they do that in purpose just to keep the debate going, if SAS or Skip really wanted to they would’ve called out Shannon for saying he had MJ as the goat for years and even Kobe over LBJ until klutch came calling. They won’t bc it would destroy the whole debate.
Always using the "team accomplishments" in the debate between individual players is pretty funny too. Especially when there's guys who got more than MJ.😅 Wheres the rings when he wasn't on the best NBA team?? Appearances ?? Conf F??
@3trakman3 championships is what matters few years from now another player is gonna break records but the one thing they cant take away is championships i would rather have a guy that won more then lost.
@@anthonystevenson830 U should only debate Temnis and professional 🎱 then lol. Or make me believe BJ Armstrong is a better PG than CP3. That’s how your logic works😂
Mj 3 peated twice something lebron can never do LeBron can try to twist the narrative only ones with his cronies in the media but the fact of the matter is LeBron James will never be in the same league as Michael Jordan
I don't even know why MJ / LJ is being debated. Without question MJ is in another league to LJ. MJ transcended the sport and made it global. You can only fully understand MJ''s impact on the game if you think globally.
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO LeBron james has won 10 conference championships Michael Jordan won 6......Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones have more conference championships (In a mostly nine team league) than LeBron James In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER Making the playoffs in 1985. Perfect example is the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 LeBron never ever carried anything. He beat two 41 win teams and the Pistons without Ben Wallace. Then he choked on it in the Finals so hard he ruined his teams chances and then he had some of the worst playoff series in NBA history. Jordan was avg 43ppg on the greatest team of all time, he wasn't getting outplayed by 33y old bench players like LeBron
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 who TF thinks some ridiculous pussy of 75 players actually means something?! Buddy you haven't even been watching basketball for 15 years you're just being fed the talking points and ZERO NBA history
Do Shannon Sharpe realize Magic Johnson was only 31 years old and MJ was 28yrs old in that 1990-91 NBA Finals. But also, do Shannon Sharpe know that Steph Curry was 30 yrs old when Steph Curry beat LeBron in the 2018 Finals? So Shannon Sharpe, that was a dumb argument
OMG I just realised, Jordan didn’t just prevent teams from being recognised as great and what not. He to say roughly ruined some “HOF” careers as well. Truly the 🐐
People forgot who Clyde Drexler was. People now clown on Charles. People now discredit and underrate John Stockton even tho he holds both records for assists and steals-and sure, Karl… but fuck that dead-beat pedo… seriously, two potential NBA phenoms if Stockton and Karl had one or two rings had it not been for MJ. Magic could’ve won another ring and beat out Bird-cementing himself as the legitimately, undoubtedly better player and would probably be considered the GOAT. People now forget who Kemp was, and some even underrate Payton. MJ did indeed ruin a few legacies. 10 Finals APPEARANCES can’t do as much damage when you win less than half of em.
Can I ask a logical question without LeBron fans getting offended? How does playing a KD led GSW Team for 2 seasons define the rest of his other 19 seasons he played? He was drafted in 2003 was he not? Did he play the GSW for 10 years? SMH
You do remember the Celtics formed a team to best Lebron then the spurs had a hall a fame squad but jordon would have scored 85 on any team and beat them right I am a Jordan fan but Jesus he wasn’t unstoppable when he had the greatest coach greatest rebounder greatest defender and and the Celtics and pistons studs were on the way out yet sure Jordan won took and few seasons off and came back to the same team because they were loaded if he won or even made the finals in his early years be impressive
@@brianharron3435You have it backwards... LeBron formed the heat to beat the Celtics... You sound ridiculous when you say the Celtics formed a team to beat a player they had never ever faced! Lol... LeBron had never played the Celtics before the Celtics championship year... Why would they form a team to beat a player who just got swept in the finals and a player they never played before? That makes sense to you? Now on the other hand the Celtics literally dominated LeBron 3 years in a row and most ppl believe made him quit the last year in 2010... LeBron literally joined forces with Wade to specifically get past the team who kept beating him... You can't say that at all about the Celtics
Anyone who seriously thinks that James is even close to Jordan has an IQ of less than 50. The only other professional athlete that could compare to the domination within their respective leagues was Wayne Gretzky. Jordan has done so much more for the NBA than any single player in the history of the game. I cannot even believe this is a conversation.
Bro Jordan won 6 times Russell almost double that it’s all about your team hence why Jordan only won 1 playoff game before pippen came alone don’t act like Jordan was unstoppable bro come one I was watching him for years lose before he won he didn’t just play 6 year my man lol
Anyone that says it isn’t even close is just a love sick fanboy whose opinion means nothing lol. If it “wasn’t even close” there wouldn’t be such a debate over it.
@voldemort008 it's not even close! It's a debate only because people who have only been alive to watch James think he's the best. Anyone who is old enough (me included) to have been fortunate enough to watch the entirety of both players' career, would always agree that it's not even close.
@brianharron3435 the team is what allows individuals to win championships. I absolutely agree with you on many levels. All I'm saying is that the impact Jordan had on the game and the talent he possessed was far superior to James. End of story.
I’m 52 born and raised in Boston bro watched Jordan tons of times get crushed by the Celtics once they got old just like the pistons the bulls loaded up and got there’s lebron is bigger stronger faster and a better passer and teammate but you know it all right
Magic was 31 worthy was 30. Clyde was in his absolute prime Terry Porter also was averaging 21 a game in the playoffs. Prime Barkley and Kevin Johnson. The whole Sun's team was stacked go check out the averages. Prime kemp and Payton. And late in their prime but still prime stockton and Malone. thats just the finals Opponents. I don't Remember Jordan facing anyone that wasn't in their prime or was too inexperienced. The bulls were just so good defensively they made some teams great teams look mediocre sometimes.
@@alexmohr1072 certainly would not have won if pip wasn't on his side right? Point is, bulls was just a complete package, a super complete package. Compared to? ....
Let me say this. If MJ is 6-0 in the Finals because "He DiDnT pLaY aNyBoDy" (8 HOF, 4 60 Wins, 2 57+) Then why do these dumbass hype LeBron's 8 straight Finals when he was playing Bums every year in the Eastern Conference. Just to get destroyed in the Finals. Make it make sense
Shannon wants to change the narrative so he can ask a different question, but LeBron will always be looking up to Jordan. Yes 6 -0 in finals with 6 count them 6 finals mvps. That's the nba record and Jordan holds it. At the rate that LeBron is winning 40 precent in finals he would have to be playing in his 50's just to tie Jordan 😮.
@@antoniomiranda8691 4 wins championships out of 10 finals (40). However if we count its taken him 20 years to win 4 that like 2 every 10 years now that's 20 percent. Heck if we look at this stat alone there are what ? At least 6 players that has a higher win percent with least time or the same. Jabbar,, Kobe, Magic, Shaq , Duncan and Curry.
Meh, I would rather just have LBJ at 2 and not whine about bullshit that provides 0 context instead. You look like a woman all in your feelings over it meanwhile I don';t implicate myself with the dumbest viewpoints possible. He lost as the favourite once so that stat is meaningless and proves no context. All it does is announce to the world that you are feminine, the mans an all time great and you kids WHINING ALLLLLLWAYS, STEADY HUM. Can't even discuss other players in the league because you LeWomen get too emotional and bring LBJ back into it
Funny thing is Shannon says 6-0 is nothing this is coming from a guy is 3-0 in Superbowl smh. Shannon should be ashamed of himself for saying that. 6-0. Jordan face great competition plus Chicago were the dominant monster to beat.
Why are we talking about Shannon Sharpe? He played like 30 years ago, obviously he was trash and didn't play against anybody since athletes have all evolved so much in the last 2 or 3 decades. Right Shannon?
It is meaningless, Jordan is 6-12 in the NBA and its mainly used to point out stupid flaws in LBJ. LBJ losing against teams that are expectied to beat him is why that is nothing. Yall whined so hard you did it to yourself. Bring some logic to your viewpoints and it can go back to just being he won 6 rings and how each of them were valued
@@simonjeremy1776 i already made it clear? I also commented on his record so why are you telling me it? Yep? Yea you never read a word i wrote haha. So many of you losers lately
Honestly. Malone would have ran through KD and Stockton would have schooled Curry. Each of the 90s Bulls team's competition would have destroyed each of Lebron's competition in all his finals appearances if you legit matched them up. The ONLY possible team that would have a chance with the 90's teams would be the 2013 Spurs due to their fundamentals plus the Heat BARELY beat them in that Finals. Lebron can thank Ray Allen for that.
@@vickystokes8514 If they couldnt handle the firepower of the Bulls. They damn sure wouldnt have been able to deal with the Warriors. The only teams with the offensive firepower of the Warriors were the 80s Celtics and Lakers.
I LOVE how Stephen A called Shannon out about his comments on Magic in 1991. He didn't say he was _old_ when Magic appeared on his podcast. And since when is 31 considered old?
I don’t think people realize Magic was still considered in his prime at 31 and could still play. Had it not been for his HIV he still could’ve gave us 4-5 more years.
@@lfranklin118 He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1991 and won the award in 1990. These guys are amping up 38yr old LeBron after my Lakers were playing like garbage for at least 70% of the season, but Magic was old??
@@atlien1988 no sir Magic was far from old dude made an appearance at 92 AllStar game an gave them buckets. I felt like Magic could have made it to 95 then retire at the end of season or having one more go at MJ in 96 before officially retiring for good.
Lebron fans love to say “Jordan played more than 6 years!” Fine, I agree. Jordan is 6-15 for finals wins and Lebron is 4-20. That’s even worse for Lebron. Lebron played longer, has been in his prime longer, and still won less titles when he had more time to win.
@@brianharron3435 Can I borrow your alternate universe viewing telescope? Clearly you must have one if you are claiming hypotheticals that you can't prove. We can all make up things we can't prove. Jordan would have won 2 more rings if he didn't retire in his prime. Jordan would have won every ring Lebron won plus the ones he lost. Jordan would have won vs Dallas in particular. But in the real world none of that happened and Lebron still failed to match Jordan in rings, let alone surpass him. If Lebron was better than Jordan he should have MORE rings, not less.
You are correct sir. I don’t LeStans understand had MJ not broke his foot his second year, or lost his dad after the 93 3peat,and Jerry Krause hadn’t lost his mind in 98 Jordans numbers would be a lot more. Let not forget MJ didn’t have the luxury of coming right out of high school and go straight to the pros.
Imagine being to 6 finals and comparing it to 10finals and saying “you had more games where you shot less than 40%”. It’s damn near double the appearances
@@albundy5492 and Jordan had 400% less appearances and 200% less assists and 200% less rebounds. Scottie Pippen lead the bulls in every other category except points. Jordan also has 600% less triple doubles than Lebron. You can say 6 times or 600% but you not fooling anyone trying to make the gap seem larger with differently expressed mathematical representations
You know many LeBron fans stay bringing up the golden state warriors with KD in terms of who Jordan faced that type of team. That makes LeBron look really bad knowing he lost to them.
It’s a lame argument, not only bc it’s hypothetical to say “MJ would lose to them” but bc in 2017 Shannon/Nick and the rest of the LBJ fans said Cavs were gonna win in 4. They said how KD can’t beat LBJ, Kyrie is gonna cook Curry but as soon as LBJ lost the narrative changed from that to “they’re unbeatable, not even MJ could beat them” lol
Yeah this is why they hate KD and still hate him to this day..And the man been in the league 21 years..Kobe,Wade,Kawhi,Duncan,jokic,curry and got rings during lebron watch..They acting like KD gatekeep lebron knowing he got beat many before and after that
They had a Jordan era. But did they have a Lebron era? No! Did Jordan ever get swept in any finals? No! Bron? Twice! And Bron having the most career turnovers, takes him off the GOAT conversation. 😉😂🤣
His thunderstorm takes games off in the regular season. MJ didn’t do that. Tell me how many times each person played all 82 games. One of them did it so many more times than the other.
You ever been 6'9 and 270?? Wtf you talking about. The man played a TON of ball and this is what you whine about?? He is a giant human who has a ton of miles on his body. This complaint is so juvenile and childish. HOW needy are you lol. Do you understand Biology and how it works? You do realize its a lot more energy and wear and tear the larger you are? That many minutes played and you still whining, thats impressive to be honest.
If I recall correctly MJ did face prime Mark Price in the playoffs, that's as close as it gets to Steph Curry in the late 80s/early 90s. 12:49 - LeFlop sighting, MJ would never...
This is what I keep saying. The only reason why there is still a debate is because those media men who argue on MJ's behalf poorly represents his case. They focus on anecdotes and not what's on paper. They keep repeating the 6-0 argument which is becoming tiresome. To make this comment short, the difference between MJ and LBJ is a Hall of Fame career.
Not at all. MJ to basketball is like Ali to boxing. MJ transcended the sport and made it global. Until you understand the impact that MJ made on the game globally you will not fully understand why MJ is the GOAT and continue to only focus on stats as the final arbiter to make the decision.
@@andrewhite5353 when you include impact to the game, MJ is almost untouchable. But we are discussing the greatest basketball player of all time. We only need to focus on what they did inside the court. Legacies, philanthropy, etc .. shouldn't be included. Anyway, MJ is my GOAT. All I'm saying is, the media focuses on the wrong things hence the debate is prolonged. The difference between MJ and whoever is compared to him is a Hall of Fame career.
This is the biggest mic drop video on this whole GOAT argument! Thank you! Jordan demoralized the greats in that era! He was definitely feared bt the HOFs!
I think the best summary between the two is captured when Jordan was asked by a reporter: "LeBron James set a record in scoring in an NBA Game 7 Finals. What do you think about that?" Jordan, after a brief pause: "I wouldn't know, I never played in a Finals Game 7." 🕶
When they bring up the "who did Mike play that was like the Warriors" just come back with "who started making super teams? Suddenly it's unfair when the guy who started the trend has to go against one?" The road to the Finals is also a good point as when KD joined Brooklyn and didn't make the Finals LeBron fans were clowning him. Well who did LeBron face in the East that was anywhere near Giannis and the Bucks? The Raptors? LMMFAO Lowry and DeRozan were damn near like a bye week in football.
My response is who did Mj face that was the 73-9 warriors or the KD/steph warriors is Jordan's Bulls were the warriors if Lebron is the GOAT why with more help in a weaker era and conference why couldn't he go 72-10 or 73-9 and build a DYNASTY
Exactly. The Bulls had a banner. 72-10 don't mean a thing without a ring. But according to Shannon the 16 Warriors are the best team ever assembled... That's probably why they almost got bounced by OKC in the playoffs...
@@Cain353they also played better competition. Let's not forget how weak and mediocre the NBA was in 1996. Bob Costas from NBC, Dr.J, Bird, Magic all said the NBA was watered-down. Dennis Rodman in a 1996 interview said this league is so watered-down and filtered they could beat teams with there eyes closed
@@melvynsngltn27what’s the NBA now? A league where a 65 minimum game requirement has to be implemented because STARS can’t be trusted to play. sounds watered down to me
If there were no better team and player than the Bulls and MJ, then the Bulls didnt' need to play any of those series to compete. Its an absurd argument that MJ didn't have any competitor compared to today's. Lebron just don't have it like Mike nor Kobe. Just give em the title and the championship LBJ will not even go far in the 80s and 90s era where MJ dominated that whole decade.
@@brianharron3435 so why did Bulls not win without Jordan? Why did Pippen not win when Jordan left? This argument is weak in my view. Jordan is the glue that made that team effective. When he left you saw that clearly.
LeBron, in 11 healthy seasons in Cleveland, won one championship, lost four finals, and got swept twice while going 7-19 overall😬 Jordan in 11 healthy seasons in Chicago, won 6 championships, lost 0 finals, and never got swept in the finals 😬 and had a career record of 24-11in the finals 😬
Let's add, with MJ's team had the best NBA record till GS, won 2x 3 peats, no team has accomplished that yet. Lakers w/1. LJ w/all of his "superteams" hasn't come close to 96 Bulls record and not at least one 3peat.
