LeBron Vs. Jordan GOAT Debate GETS HEATED 

Arguments for MJ are all about MJ Arguments for Bron are all about MJ

The excuse that the Bulls faced Magic in the Finals right before he retired is a weak one...he was 1st team All-NBA and finished 2nd in the MVP voting that year. He only retired b/c of his HIV diagnosis, not because he was on a decline.

The '92 Blazers were insanely good. They were very deep too, Cliff Robinson actually won 6th man of the year the next season. Anyone who tries to discredit that team instantly exposes themselves as someone who knows almost nothing about 90's basketball.

Michael Jordan is widely known as the game's greatest player-and for good reason. "MJ" accomplished everything possible in the game, piling up on the stats and awards. On the game's biggest stage-the NBA Finals-Jordan went a perfect 6-for-6, also sweeping Finals MVP in his appearances. The most iconic NBA player the game will ever see, Michael Jordan is legendary. From his sneakers and his Jumpman Jordan logo, to his high-rising vertical, His Airness is like no other. The 6x NBA champion led a Bulls dynasty that will go down in history as one of the greatest dynasties in American sports Jordan transformed the style and substance of basketball, expanding the scope and meaning of athletic achievement. We still see his influence in ways big and small: kids wagging their tongues; the raging popularity plof basketball in China; post-up players leaning backward into defenders before making their move.!!! There is no debate on Jordan been the greatest who stepped on the NBA court and who ever denies it there is only one word for those people👉🏼 denialists

lebron cant guard malone. he gonna go for stockton. just like he picking on curry in finals while durant is left with rodney hood.

Bron fans love to say he had tough opponents in the finals, but conveniently omit the facts of playing in super teams and going through the Leastern conference lol.

When Jordan retired , his team dropped out in semi and not eastern conference finals

I really understood how MJ was better when I was asked to play Devil's Advocate and "prove" that LeBron was the GOAT. I had a hard time, not because I was biased, but because the facts were scarce. Jordan leads LeBron and the entire historical NBA in Player Efficiency Rating, Box Plus/Minus, Win share avg., and Value over Replacement Player (VORP) Jordan beats LeBron in MVPs, (6-4) He leads LeBron in championships (6-4) He leads LeBron in Finals MVPs (6-4) He has a better career offensive AND defensive rating He led his team in defensive win shares 10 times, to LeBron's 4-5 times He won DPOY. LeBron came in second one year He won 3 steals titles. LeBron has never won that award. He won 10 scoring titles. LeBron won once. He won 2 slam dunk championships. LeBron has never participated He is better compared to all other shooting guards in history than LeBron is to all other small forwards in history, based on the numbers When it comes to the areas LeBron is superior, like total numbers, that is because of longevity. To put it in perspective, if that makes LeBron greater, then he isn't the GOAT. Kareem is. In fact, Karl Malone should be in the conversation, for that matter. Malone has more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, and free throws than Jordan. Does that make him better all time? LOL

Jordan all the way

Jordan did guard the other team's best offensive player quite often. He guarded Reggie Miller, Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Steve Smith, Rod Strickland, and John Starks.

clyde drexler was second in mvp voting in 92

Bron legacy = Stats MJ legacy = Results

That LeBron lover doesn't know his history. Bulls didn't make the east finals like he said. They lost in the semis,second round to the Knicks. This is what LeBron lovers do all the time. They talk and say lies. Jordan was in the stronger conference. LeBron was in a weak east.

Lebron fans are so emotional

Jordan had a way higher clutch %... and Jordan also gaurded the other teams scorer... this LBJ guy is wrong

14:51 is when he defenatly started to kill the debate he spoke facts specially that one where he said I chose the guy that the orther guy wanted to be 💀 ☠️ over jordan defenatly the goat 🐐

magic was second in mvp voting in 91

The 1994 Bulls did not go to the Eastern Conference Finals

The 93-94 Bulls didn’t go the ECF. I mean at least get your facts straight 🤦‍♂️. The 93-94 Bulls had unparalleled championship pedigree winning 3 straight. 93-94 Bulls team still had everyone in tact and added Kerr, Kukoc and Wennington. BJ and Grant were all stars and they still had the goat coach. You take the GOAT player off that team and it’s the difference between losing in the ECSF (not the ECF) and winning the whole dang thing.

Lebrons argument is all about emotions.. while MJ are all facts..

Jordan was by far better in the finals where it matters most. Isn’t the goal of playing basketball in the NBA to win a chip?? It’s about winning and Jordan was way better at it. Stop it!

He said Lechoke could guard Karl Malone. Not in this era or any other era😂🤣

The longevity argument! LBJ clearly played more years than MJ. My man has a crappy argument for LBJ.

Two 3Peats & No Losses beats 4/10 Championships It’s Simple Math 🤷🏽‍♂️ P.S. MJ never left his draft team to chased a Ring

MJ is the G.O.A.T Period……

Michael didn't pass the ball to Paxson for the game-winner. Pippen brought it up the floor, passed it to Grant, who kicked it out to Pax. If the guy knew his stuff, he would have brought up Kerr, not Pax.

Real talk LeBron is barely better then Larry bird. Only reason he might be is his althetsism. Other then that LeBron is a little over rated maybe in the top 5. But I would take Jordan magic bird kobe and kareem over LeBron.

Nobody goes to the record books to see who's the goat .....he literally just made that up.... Jordan was never on top of the record books ...well some ...but thas never the reason he was considered goat

The reason why the Bulls was still successful even without MJ is because they had basketball culture and science behind it with the triangle. LeBron, on the other hand, the reason why his team always is garbage when he leaves is because he is THE system by design. It is more like ad hoc, no science and no culture... that's why they're all lost and don't know what to do. That's a knock against LeBron on my book, why? That means he never made the players to become better but rather just dependent on him and him alone... and their game are destroyed once he leaves and do ring chasing. Another argument against LeBron is this... Blake said that the GOAT must be the best in several categories... let's put this in context, and compare him with fellow small forwards... outside of PPG, APG LeBron isn't even in the top 10 in SPG, BPG and RPG and to make matters worse he is 1st in turn overs. MJ is top 3 in PPG, SPG, BPG, RPG and is 6th in APG (btw, MJ had a higher APG than Scottie Pippen) and MJ was 13th in turn overs. That's what context does... how can LeBron be GOAT when compared to fellow SF majority of the stats he isn't even top 10? With regards to clutch, majority of LeBron clutch shots had lower stakes... because majority were tied and missing it will just result to OT... there are many times when LeBron was non-existent in the 4th quarter... that's why the 6 losses.

What about Jordan's 173 games of 40+points...that's more than LeBron and Steph Curry combined...

I have to give Lebron credit for even getting people to consider this to be true. He is a great player but, not even close to the all time GOAT Michael Jordan. You can't compare Lebron and MJ. The difference between the two isnt like comparing apples and oranges. Its like comparing apples to extraterrestrial fruit from another planet. Hand checking was legal in Michael Jordans era. He put up huge numbers and was the GOAT in a much more physical era and a rougher tougher game of basketball. If you breath on someone in todays era its a foul. Lebron would be a mediocre player in Jordans day. Thats the problem we dont know how Lebron would do in Jordans era but, we do know that if you put less pressure on a pure shooter like Jordan. He is only going to put up more points. Just imagine how many points MJ would have averaged in the 90's if the defense backed off and gave him more room to shoot. It would be insane. The only reason Lebron beats Michael Jordan in certain stats is because he has played longer. Maybe that is because Michael Jordan played the full 82 game season 9 times. Lebron has only done that once. Jordan was the GOAT then. He would be the GOAT now. If Lebron played MJ in his prime in a game of 1 on 1. MJ would take that wannabe to school. All of you young fools who grew up watching Lebron play and have only seen Michael Jordan in highlights have no idea what you are talking about. I dont care who you are. When you ask most people who the greatest basketball player of all time is? They say Michael Jordan. Case closed. The end. Lebron doesnt belong on the same court. Jordan is on an untouchable island all by himself.

Lebron say he can guard 1-5 but he only guards 1&5 in those players at 1&5 are to small don’t matter how good they are or they to big in slow. Lebron don’t guard the best player on teams cause he needs to save his lil energy for offense. I’m just saying

Its jordan for sure. But good one you for bringing up zone defenses. I've never heard anyone say that before.

The argument that Lebron has scored more points than Jordan is not valid. The NBA in the last decade plays NO DEFENSE. Don't act like this is not true. A regular scoring game is always 110 plus points easy, and no it's not because the players are that much better. If Lebron had to play in Jordan's day he wouldn't have a third of the points he has now, end of story.

13:57 Wrong! It was the second round not the Eastern Conference Finals. The following season they went 23-25 without Michael, but Michael saved the season.

The only records that LeBron James has our longevity based. Michael Jordan has like eight pages of NBA records and a few of them are even longevity based.

I think there's a context on that quote. Zone defense is nothing if only 1 person can guard on. And MJ can just do his fade aways.

lebron is 0 for 7 in nba finals play game winning shots

The Bulls didn’t make it to the Eastern Conference championship. The Knicks beat them and made it.

The guy defending Jordan must be a Lebron fan, he is dumb. Who told you Lebron is a better rebounder, Lebron pads defensive rebound at the expense of his teammates that plays center, go and look it up all those Centres' defensive rebounds drops when they are playing with Lebron and those rebounds are not contested. Jordan who is 3 inches shorter than Lebron has more offensive rebounds which are fully contested, explain that?

We are not arguing over inches we are arguing over light-years. The gap between Michael Jordan and LeBron just in accolades is larger than Kevin Durant's entire carrer. Don't even get me started on strengths and weaknesses and per game statistics and Analytics😂

It says a lot when someone has to diminish someone else to prop up their guy. Lebron fans most times disrespect Jordan’s accomplishments and Jordan’s fans almost always talk about Lebron being great just not better.

This guy probably was in pampers in Jordan first threepeat he don’t have any idea how good all that’s team and all those players was ,all those team in this era easily win a championship period this guy don’t have any idea what he talking about

Honestly huge applause to Lebron James for breaking the All Time points record, definitely won't be broken for a while now. But!!!! With no disrespect to James, Michael Jordan let his game speak for itself. Yes being the Goat needs to cover numerous of categories and MICHAEL JORDAN covers more categories than Lebron James.

Comparing lebron James to Michael Jordan is like comparing Emmitt smith to Barry sanders. Barry Sanders was an electrifying runner capable of scoring a touchdown every time he touched the ball. Emmitt smith has longevity and played behind an awesome offensive line and played with Troy aikman an Michael Irving.

How can it even be a debate? Doesn't it have to at least be somewhat close to be debatable?

The fact that LeBron is in this convo at all js tells you that the clutch sports needs to be goated for the propaganda they spew. LeBum not even top5

I feel like mj would’ve killed with a zone defense still I mean if u know how to break a zone defense I feel like mj could get to his spots easy

A goat doesn't hide from the free throw line. A goat doesn't make retirement statements to change peoples conversation after being swept.

karl malone won mvp in 97

If there is campaign for you to be recognized as the GOAT, then you aren't the GOAT.

Maybe Jordan’s bulls didn’t drop so hard cause Jordan actually made them better players. Not just threw the ball to them and was like better not miss or else you’re getting traded

Good offense beats good Defense anytime! That was a defensive Era guys today are scoring at an all time high!

The guy who is defending Lebron, when he talks about better competition, I would have liked to have seen Lebron take on the bad boy Pistons or the Celtics with Larry Bird. Larry Bird also swept Jordan in the playoffs and was even more clutch than Jordan was. That era in basketball was probably the toughest ever, I think Larry Bird would have schooled Lebron as well. Lebron doesn't have the mentality to be the goat, lets see Lebron put up over 30 points with the flu like Jordan did in the finals. This is what seperates Jordan from Lebron.

Jordan washes Lebron on all categories period 😂😂😂

The Lebron guy got slaughtered in the debate and the Jordan guy didn’t even need to bring up 2011 🔥

In the 93-94 season the bulls lost in the Easter conference SEMI finals to the New York Knicks. With Jordan on the team, the bulls never lost to the knicks. Wrong again

Jordan literally leads in every important advanced metric - PER, win shares, VORP per 48 (not cumulative which is longevity-based), box score plus minus (both regular season AND playoffs for all of this). His achievements are a hall of fame career ahead of Lebron's - 2 Championships, Finals MVPs, an MVP, defensive player of the year award, 10 scoring titles to Lebron's 1, 9 1st team defense to Lebron's 5.... in 7 less years! I'm sorry but this isn't close. Everyone was making the same claims back when Kobe was in his prime and now they often rank him outside of the top ten. How we live in the moment. Lebron's arguments fall into these categories 1. assists/rebounds, but none of the others 2. longevity (the only thing he has aside from passing over Jordan) 3. straw man arguments, like trying to claim Lebron winning chips with three teams is somehow a positive and not quitting to create superteams.

lebron didn’t make the playoffs his first couple years so why are we bringing up michael jordan getting swept by an established celtics dynasty without any all star help?

NOT EVEN A DEBATE 1. Michael Jordan and Kareem had to Play 3 years in college (Lebron went right from High School) (All-time Point Leader)? 3 year head start to accumulate points to pad his stats. 1a. When they played, they actually played defense, not the matador defense they play now. If he had to actually play in the league the Greats played in, he would had took his ball, and cried all the way home. (Remember the Jordan Rules) 2. Adopted #23 and #6 - What a Narcissist, Opportunist. He want to be like Mike sooo bad . Took his number (when kids wear #23 he thinks they”re wearing it to idolize him.Took his powder throw. Took The number of Mr. Russell. (Knowing him, felt that he could get it grandfathered in, when no-one else could and he did! 3. NBA Dallas Playoff meltdown. Dwayne Wade had to hold his hand during the post-game press conference 4. Michael didn’t need have to go somewhere for someone to teach him how to win. 5. In all Michael’s Championships, he was the sole reason they won. No doubt who was The Man. 6. Without Ray Allen, Kyrie Irvin, Draymond Green and the Bubble , he would only have one. The sorry OKC Thunder. 7. Not to say all the individual awards that Jordan has. 8. So how can you be the G.O.A.T when in all your Big Achievements, you wasn’t the Main reason you won. Whereas with Jordan, there was no doubt.

When lbj left the cavs...5 other players did too..also..the cavs starters were hurt all season

Wow, just like most people in this debate of the GOAT. Tend to have the same approach as the judge. False Evidence was presented ( Mike is more Clutch) while the numbers say otherwise. They just dismiss the facts and go with their feelings.

When lebron fans bring up Jordan retiring they forget two critical points. Jordan helped develop the talent that the bulls drafted and traded. He never asked the gm for players, he just helped make them better and tougher. And secondly, the bulls ran an equal opportunity offense, like the spurs, like the warriors, like the early 200s lakers, the 80s Celtics, and even the 2011 mavericks. So when one player leaves, it doesn’t destroy the franchise, unlike having lebron. Lebron forces the team to draft, trade, and sign their futures away in order to get veterans that can do the things lebron doesn’t want to do, or can’t do. The rosters are completely built around him(because that’s what he wants). Then he dips out and leaves them with a roster that was built around him, not built around a team like the triangle offense. And look a Cleveland now and look at Miami now. Another finals appearance with less talent than lebron has ever had and the Cavs are a legit playoff team on the come up without him

mj In his time as a point guard , Jordan had 10 triple-doubles in 11 games, with averages of 33.6 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 10.8 apg, 2.9 spg, and 0.8 bpg on 51% shooting. The Bulls finished with a 47-35 record, and advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals, defeating the Cavaliers and New York Knicks along the way.

The Bulls did not go to the Eastern Conference Finals when Jordan retired, it was the semifinals.

Yeah the clutch factor is more important that talent and skill cause everyone knows every single game in nba history comes down to the last shot

That ‘94 bulls team lost in the 2nd round not the east finals

Man said shaq, ben Wallace, rondo. That’s the wildest shit Ive heard in a while. Acting like they were in their primes. wild!

Bruh really said if “your using individual stats to judge greatness your wrong” so wtf are we talking for then? 😂🤣

The guy debating for LeBron didn't do his homework,...in 1994 Bulls didn't make it to Eastern Conference Finals. The were eliminated in second round by Knicks. The Eastern Conference Conference Finals was Knicks and Pacers.

i never saw any game by michael jordan that he let his team down without a fight, lebron is more, he is great for this era but for me he is like another shawn kemp type of a player.. strong type of a player, but no match for jordan

Lebron James crumbles under pressure. MJ gets better. Simple as that.

the thunder were all under 23

None of us in the 90’s coddled a grown ass man named Mike back in the he grew an earned his respect and his place in history not given. Please stop this particular debate it’s hurting the youth and stunting their growth.

This Isn't a debate

"I WANT THE GUY THAT DIDN'T HAVE HIS JERSEY BURNED" MAN THAT WAS TOUGH🔥

Really?? Comparing zone defenses? Bruh this era of basketball is the weakest defensive era we’ve seen! No hand checking, can’t touch players without it being called a foul, techs for everything!

The competition now isnt better They are barely competitive if we are being honest The guys back then played hard all the time

Lebron is good, Jordan is better.

He said Michael would look up to lebron if lebron came before him but who wants to be lebron who came after him dude talking nonsense did Jordan want to be like anyone no he was being mj

They went to the 2nd round not the ecf just loud and wrong

Beside from Bron, with all respect, has the 'Longevity Award' in NBA History, his tangibles & intangibles needs to be compared & debated FIRST to Kobe, Bird, Bill, Kareem & Wilt ~ Prime vs. Prime. Air Jordan is on an ultra-elite level all on his own- no question. Do y'all think his shoes will be as pricey & in-demand and keeps getting stronger & stronger than ALL the rest of endorsers combined, if he is only viewed by the entire planet (not just US) as 2nd fiddle?

Lebrun fans undermine Lebruns teammates and elevate MJs teammates to prove their arguments. But in reality Lebrun played with more All Stars than MJ

The guy who doesnt get caught up with emotions is the most emotional one haha

It’s completely irrational and illogical to make team accomplishments in a team sport be considered a point for comparing 2 single players…….. It doesn’t matter if lebron somehow gets 7 rings….. No lebron fan should ever use the number of rings he has as to why he’s better than Jordan or anyone else. The more logical debate while using championships as a point is to compare the teams that won the championship as who’s better……. If player A averaged 39 points 22 rebounds and 15 assists over 20 seasons and player B averaged 47 points 29 rebounds and 19 assists…… Over 20 seasons. NO ONE IN THE WORLD WOULD EVER CHOOSE PLAYER A, there simply is no reason to do so when specifically asking “which is better player A or player B?” Then, the intangibles come in to play. How was player A’s competition? How was player Bs competition? Who had better defenders guarding them? Who had a higher efficiency rating? What did they average from 3 and field goal % overall? This isn’t rocket science but yet for years including the tv analysts bring up rings. YET NO ONE MENTIONS ROBERT HORRY OR BILL RUSSEL BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW RINGS ARE A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT……

Since we are going with what Mike said lets go with what Bron said He's chasing a ghost... he knows he's still chasing and not gonna catch the ghost

Jordan played in a league full of sub-par to average players at best in comparison to today's players. Put any of those players in today's game and most wouldn't be starting - that's just the natural evolution of any sport LeBron is playing in a demi-god league and has been an underdog in 7 of his 10 finals appearances, which might I add to remind everyone that winning a championship is a team accolade, not an individual accolade. Jordan and the Bulls during their two three-peats were the most dominant team in the league in all six seasons. No wonder he and the Bulls during that stretch went undefeated; there was no competition. Knocking LeBron for his "longevity," though he's playing at the highest level still with only a slight knock on his athleticism and still busting everyone's ass, is the worst argument I've ever heard. They're both great, but LeBron is the greatest and most complete basketball player there has ever been.

Actually, Lebron never passed it to Kyrie. He just received the inbound and made his go to move and made that 3.

Mr 22 seasons 4 championships never being top scorer or defender and being questioned for being clutch, is the goat? Even a king bows to a god.

"i dont approach the conversation with feelings" also makes ignores Lebrons losses

To put away the whole "but he had a better team" excuse, give them the same amount of talent. Oh wait its already been done..ONe was winning gold the other Bronze.

You got three main categories when discussing the GOAT that aren't subjective and for the most part can be proven without doubt - personal accolades, team success and individual performance (ie stats). In each of these categories it is absolutely clear, like if you have no bias between one or the other player, that Jordan has been greater. There is no argument with the accolades - 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs, DPOY, 9 x 1st team all D, 10x 1st team all NBA, 10x scoring champ, 3 x steals champ for MJ vs 4 MVPs, 4 Finals MVPs, 5 x 1st team all D, 13x 1st team all NBA, 1 x scoring champ, 1 x assist champ. The clear winner there is MJ and he got most his accolades in just 11 full seasons as a Bull, LeBron is on his 20th and is still behind in all but two of the 8 above. Overall, MJ won 70 official, end-of-season accolades, 68 of which came in those 11 seasons. LeBron has won 64 in 20. He won't catch MJ this coming season nor will he catch him the season after that which means that in 22 seasons he would have won LESS than MJ won in 11. Jordan literally doubled the rate at which he collected his accolades. That is utterly insane given how good LeBron's career has been. You cannot understate this. When it comes to team success - 6 rings vs 4, again no argument. The ultimate goal of any non-tanking team going into every season is to win the championship. It isn't to get to the Finals, it's to win them. Nobody remembers 2nd place. Also, almost all of LeBron's team based success has come via self built superteams, he literally started the Superfriends Era. Winning by colluding with other All NBA talent to team up, breaching league anti tampering rules in the process, is not the right path to success. There is no integrity winning in this fashion. Either way, Jordan wins. The closest of the three categories is individual stats. When comparing stats it's not smart to look at raw numbers, especially when one player has played much more than the other and they're very closely matched players. The more accurate comparison is to look at box score based advanced metrics, in particular BPM, VORP, WS & PER. These metrics aggregate all of the possible measured individual ways a player can impact a game, in other words everything that shows up on a box score, their ALL AROUND ability as a basketball player. See, that's what that means, it doesn't just stop at points, assists and rebounds and then concluding 'well, LeBron has better rebound and assist numbers so he is the better all around player'. No, that is simplistic thinking. Some of these metrics are cumulative (VORP & WS) so the player who plays more will usually win out which isn't a fair reflection of their skills, it's better instead to break them down to per 48 numbers. No team ever won a championship because their best player passed some career milestone, they're nice but they don't win you games. What wins your team games is being the best player on the court, night in and night out. So it's in per-game numbers where success is born. And in all four of the above metrics, in BOTH the regular season and playoffs, Jordan comes out on top. In fact he's #1 all time in all of NBA history: BPM - Jordan: RS 9.2, PO 11.1 vs Lebron: RS 8.8, PO 10.0 VORP/48 - Jordan: 0.1359/0.1586 vs Lebron: 0.1300/0.1458 WS/48 - Jordan: 0.250/0.255 vs Lebron: 0.226/0.238 PER - Jordan: 0.279/0.286 vs Lebron: 0.272/0.279 MJ beats him in every single category. Also, RAPTOR puts Jordan above LeBron. His career RAPTOR +/- per 100 is 8.6 compared to Bron at 7.5. LeBron does hold the highest ever single season RAPTOR +/- of 12.6 to MJ's 12.3 but 7 of the top ten between the two belong to Jordan. Of the top 8 RAPTOR WAR single seasons by either player, seven belong to Jordan including the all time highest. I've also seen people comparing game score data, which is a bbref metric based on box score, similar to a fantasy basketball formula. Again, Jordan is better in both the regular (23.43 vs 22.29) and post season (25.05 vs 23.50) when you apply that formula to their career numbers. There should be absolutely no doubt in any neutral fan's mind that Jordan is the winner and clearly so. Which begs the question - how can one player who TRAILS the other in personal accolades, team success and individual performance be considered the better/greater player? It makes zero sense. LeBron is easily the second best player ever but he hasn't quite reached Jordan's level of skill and dominance. There's no shame in second best Bron fans, the guy is a phenomenal player, he just isn't the GOAT.

That Bulls team was good because Michael had made them Champions and they knew what it took to win and played hard

scottie led the team in assist rebounds steals and blocks per game in the finals, lebron led his team in every single statistical category lol mj wasn’t the best passer or defender on his team and when rodman came he wasn’t even the 2nd best defender on his team

The Bulls without MJ went to the 2nd round in 1994 not the Conference Finals. LeBron fans will lie under oath. What a shame.

Awful debate structure and the Lebron side didn’t do their homework. The guy arguing for Lebron was so bad.

Scottie Pippen and the Bulls didn't go to the conference finals in Jordan's absence they won 1 round and lost to the Knicks in the 2nd round. That's a big contrast from the previous year, Jordan and the Bulls won a championship. You presented false evidence to attempt to support your case counselor. Lol.

You are talking about accumulative stats when you go to the record books. 20 year is much longer than 13 years. that's not fair. go to the averages and lets see who is better.

He pulled out Lebron's teammates as if they were in their prime

Jordan played in a much physical era, that's why he couldn't play forever. And, longevity (in my opinion) doesn't count for the goat comparison. LaBron wouldn't last as long as long in Jordan's era. If a player entered the league for 1 year, and made 90% of his shots from half court. And, could dunk at will, and had a 95% free through percentage. He would widely be accepted as the goat. A more logical comparison is what Michael and LaBron didn't in the first 13 years. And, it wouldn't even be a question of who came out on top. Of course anyone could score more points if they played forever. Longevity is hard to accomplish, so props to LaBron, but it shouldn't be considered in the goat comparison