Legacy so far Y1) Practically an extension of kingdom Y2) Testing and capitalizing on the demand for different continuities Y3) Goin’ Bananas 3: in 3-D
My POV on Legacy Legacy year 1: Wait, people like it when we’re accurate to something other than a 40-something cartoon that’s not even accurate to itself? (Bulkhead is good and Knock Out is alright, but Arcee is definitely the worst of year 1 when it comes to unnecessary G1ification) Evolution: Indeed an evolution in the right direction, but not without its stinkers United: We haven’t had a bad figure aside from “Cyberverse” Chromia and even then she’s a retool of an already good mold
I actually did complete legacy menasor and frankly I have no regrets with doing so being the first comnbiner I ever completed (I got in too late into combiner wars and I missed power of the primes due to being power of the primes) honestly I feel that each member ranges from just inoffensive to really good and I love how they look as a team and when combined
Same thing for me, if you don’t count my ko superion where silverbolts arm fell off. The figures go for insane prices on the aftermarket so it felt like a miracle every time I found one
Legacy, we have energon weapons. Ok why? What do they do? Legacy, we don’t know? But get ready for evo-fusion. Side note. My local Walmart still has a peg full of Skids and 4 Galvatrons & Blitzwings Also-also where’s my Beast Machines Tankor & Jetstorm?
Oh Blitziwng is everywhere, and I don't think he's going anywhere. As for Tankor and Jetstorm, hopefully eventually. Though please no other BM characters.
I'm still seeing quite a lot of these figures at my walmarts and targets, I'll always be seeing legarcees, kickbacks, skids, crankcase, blitzwings, and armada Starscreams, oh and also like 20-30 coronation starscreams that refuse to go on clearance, and yet a month in and still no new things
I got lucky and found Bludegeon and Shrapnel at a Walmart. Still seeing lots of legacy figures, though the Strongarm wave from Evolution looks to be a close second, with SS85 Arcee and Airazor also being peg warmers.
I think legacy is my favourite line as it give more designs especially really obscure ones like jhiaxus a shine. And some absolute bangers like armada prime,tarn,the nemesis,victory saber etc.
Same man. All the unreleased G2 toys getting modern renditions was crazy news for anyone who likes obscure history. Same for the things you mentioned, and just more Japanese stuff like Galaxy Shuttle, Metalhawk, Minerva
It is super cool to see that, I just wish the Quality were a bit higher consistantly. Figures like Starscream should not be ruined by their QC, and Figures like Kickback should not be so underengineered.
The Stuntacon set was so infuriating to me. Not because I don’t like them I actually really like it. (It just sits up on a shelf in combine mode), but from how hard it was to pick up every figure besides Dragstrip and Breakdown. Seriously it took me a year to finally be able to pickup Motor Master on Amazon that wasn’t $180, and by the time I did I spent nearly $190 on two commander class as my Armada Prime came literally 3 days later.
Legacy was when I truly got into transformers, learning about the community was so much fun. However it’s also when I learned about the horrors of hasbro QC. 😢
I got Legacy Bombshell a while back for my birthday and I'd say the worst part about him is the risk of losing the partsforming guns for his insect mode, so otherwise he's surprisingly decent.
If you look at the Box of the 1988 Pretenders Skullgrin you can see the vehicle mode looks pretty much identical to what we got in Legacy aside from a few things being a little bit different. so while the concept art was really cool, they didn’t just invent some nothingness here it is actually trying to be the old toy’s alt mode
Perspective I finally got laser prime and your review was actually very accurate and Its now one of my favorites in my collection. Also a figure I highly recommend you review is thrilling 30 sky byte. To me its a phenomenal figure
Wait they made a T30 Skybyte? And I'm glad that you are liking the Optimus so much, though I would recommend never getting another. It's a great figure to have ONCE.
Like as a team, or just as Menasor? Because if it's just Menasor, then wouldn't it be just as good as a large figure, if the component bots like Wildrider are TRASH?
Fun fact: I don't care about G1 accuracy. To me, I think it's stupid to expect perfection from designs that came from a show that was wildly inconsistent. The reason I'm saying this is because I love every G1 figure from this line. Every one. Especially Elita, and surprisingly Blitzwing. Just wish they did a selects version for a Diaclone scheme, since I think that just that colour change would fix the weird design since it's not trying to be a character.
I don't think G1 accuracy is Vital. That's why I love the TR Blitzwing so much, it wasn't accurate, but it was good. So my problem with the Legacy one is actually it's G1 accuracy. Why is the tank dick there at all. If that part didn't exist it would be a better toy.
Ik you’ve probably heard this a million times but even in America, Cybertron really isn’t a sequel to Energon. There’s a throwaway line about Unicrons death in Energon being the catalyst for the whole story(if I remember correctly… I was 6). And an Energon character or two cameo in the final episode of the show and they don’t even talk, but that’s pretty much it. The show blatantly contradicts Energon and Armada like I’m pretty sure it’s the autobots first time ever on Earth when they arrive. When two characters combine, someone says something about having never seen two transform combine like that before… even though that was the whole gimmick of Energon… etc etc.
Here in the Land Down Under, we have such weird distribution. We can get exclusives really easily, but regular releases just don't show up. There were so many SS 102 Optimus Primes on the shelf, but Core Class Swoop and Snarl never made it here, so we literally can't complete Volcanicus without importing from overseas. Also no Dreadwing.
Yeah, I'm hearing so many strange things from Australia. Like you guys are getting things MONTHS before I think there's even a chance they end up here, but then you don't git other stuff EVER.
@@PerspectiveEnd we got Motormaster before everyone else, but at the same time one of our local stores only recently (within the past month or so) started stocking Legacy Evo Wave ONE and SS86 Ironhide
After seeing this video about Legacy Retrospective (and knowing Hasbro kinda feel off in sales in 2023), I can imagine the next Retrospective about Legacy Evolution starting with "it has a lot of promises", until digesting the figures one by one only to turn out it's more underwhelming with some being great while the rest just sucks.
I’ll be honest with prime Arcee, if they had used a regular waist and not a ball joint I’d love it a lot more than I do and even then I still like it a fair bit, even if the leg part can be a bit finicky at times
Did you know that there was originally going to be a Transformers Legacy tv show but due to how bad the reception of the War for Cybertron trilogy was on Netflix, they scrapped the show
Now that I think about it, wouldnt Lega-cee be a better mold choice to repaint into Cyberverse Chromia than Animated Prowl. I mean, despite she shoulders being a little too broad, it would be a closer resemblance the Chromia and even has the 4 wheels
You are correct, it would make way more sense, though honestly at this point I'm glad to not, cause the mold is over used and only OK, the Prowl mold is a better toy.
12:46 you see pointblank is one of those misfortune figures who's meant for good but oh BUT they have to cut the budget somewhere else and thats the reason why he doesn't have the god's mistakes arms and an alt mode which is serviceable but for diehard fans he's a bit lackluster. If not for budget i can see that this figure might become one of the best figures with the incorporation of the target master etc
I got legacy united bumblebee and if you see him, get him, don't worry about the size He's not as good as I made him out to be. He earns the deluxe price but barely
Its funny, me and my friend were actually arguing about how bad legacee truly was. He thought that she was a partsformer just because the backpack bits came off in robot mode, which isn’t the definition of partsforming like…at all. It’s the equivalent of saying taking Kingrise Prime’s buttflap off for a cleaner look is partsforming - it just isn’t
Optional Partsforming isn't true partsforming. If it doesn't have to come off for the transformation, or it would not make the Transformation easier if you do take it off, then it's not a sin.
9:30 “as we can see here it’s a wild rider alt mode attempting to hunt the poor old litte wheelie alt mode but fortunately for the wheelie the wild rider is so shit that it can’t move”
I actually had my dead ends head area snap off. Its where the head attachment tilts back with that pin? Yeah that snapped clear off, paid $45 for a Japan import no less
My Legacy Armada Starscream has really good QC. I'm saved. It's got the best looking Gerwalk so far. But I bet MP or Siege Skyfire has a better one. It doesn't even have the left hip problem. I'm so damn lucky. My fingers are small enough to squeeze into the leg flaps, maybe this thing's made for edgy twinks and master craftsmen with thin fingers? Here's a trick: if you open Armada Starscream's legs with your nails, you have to put pressure on the left side of the gap. Otherwise you gotta open it with a chopstick or a pen.
Hey man, I'm happy to hear that, congratulations. Man you must have itty bitty fingers. Mine are like 3 times too big to fit. I don't have finger nails, my OCD compels me to chew them off, so they aren't good for much.
You make some solid points, especially for Blitzwing and the Pretenders. I hard disagree with you about the Stunticons. I love the set sans Breakdown. Maybe a little on Dead End's QC issue in car mode. Bulkhead is straight awesome. I just wish he had a better reach with his arms. I don't care for the Prime Arcee mold even though I own 3 of it (PArcee, Road Rocket, Ariel). Knock Out really did get a meh robot with a fantastic car mode. All the Beast Wars stuff RULES. Pointblank NEED the upgrade kits and Toyhax labels to raise him from terrible to okay. The only Insecticon I thought they missed the mark on was Bombshell, and I don't get the hate for Skids or his mold mates other than color. All in all, Legacy Year 1 was hit and miss but it does get a bit better.
My problem with the Wildrider and Breakdown, is just that they feel like a Downgrade on the CW versions. When most of the engineering is the same, where did our money go. It's smaller, it's tolerances are worse, it's clearances are worse, the elbows bend less. Like I'd have been pretty ok with it if it was the same thing as the CW, but had a serious posing upgrade. And outside of feet, it really didn't. I only have 2 of the Arcee, and I wish the only one I had was Flamewar, which is one of the ones I didn't pick up. And the thing about Pointblank, is it's my personal Philosophy to only REWARD good figures with Upgrade kits. If you are trying to make a bad figure tollerable, then you are just throwing good money after bad. I don't hate the Skids my self. I think the toy is a little dull, but it's perfectly fine. I personally actually really enjoy the burnout version.
@@PerspectiveEnd I too wish I had picked up Flame War, which again is weird to me considering that it isn't a mold I am fond of. I do think the upgrade kit is warranted in Pointblank's case BUT if a 3rd party made a better figure of him in WFC/Legacy scale I would rather have that. Still, I had a lot of fun messing around with the Stunticons before I finally got Motormaster, but I wish Breakdown had a proper vehicle mode.
This is literally the AVGN of Transformers reviews. Those mistransformed shots on the turn table are a nice touch. While I don't hate the Combined Legacy Menasaur since getting Dragstrip, and Wildrider I've felt no compulsion whatsoever to remove them and same will go for Deadend, and Breakdown as I'm only getting them to complete the set. Wildrider being terrible aside how is Hasbro can put out numerous Lambos without fear of infringement but Breakdown can't get any retooling whatsoever. Guess Hasbro figured save on the figure as most will just plug him into the back of the leg and call it a day. Didn't expect much from Jhiaxus mode but turned out pretty great, and while most will subjectively disagree it was a choice mold for Vector Prime with the proportions and the fact he can two hand his sword.
You are not the first to make that AVGN Observation about me. Yeah I'm glad that joke lands so hard with people, I thought it up for my Worst of Year list for 2023 and I knew it's what I needed to do for list videos going forward. Sadly the Vector Prime is now in hand, and it's Trash, they bout Negative 20 dollars into the QC.
I bought all three versions of Laser Prime, plan on buying a Magnus one if/when the make it. I really enjoy the mold, much more so than the Reveal the Shield version. That guy always felt off and incomplete. That said, still want an original. None of the remakes of Laser Prime really hit the same notes as the original toy from nearly 30 years ago. That toy still has so much charm and character.
Legacy Bulkhead restarted TF collecting for my son & I because an ugly bulky army truck just appeals to our instincts for some reason. He's an emotional 10/10 to me
I’m saving a fortune on this line, as there are so many characters I don’t care about or molds that just SUCK. There are some really good ones, like Jhiaxus and Nova Prime, but I’m currently spending more time and money getting Siege figures I missed.
For a small bit I've been watching your vids and while I understand the negativity others have on your opinions, I think your opinions are interesting and shed some new light on things, as for what I think of Legacy, I think it's just fun. One time I went to a school field trip to Universal and the bot I got at the Transformers ride there was the G2 Legacy prime, and that's technically the first Optimus Prime I own. (and I say technically because for a while I had one of those big gimmicky Optimus toys from Prime Beast Hunters) and I like it, I am wanting to get the animated one from United that ones a little more interesting. As for the prime arcee you talked about in the video, I'm one of the many few people who enjoy that one but I also completely understand the problems it has, and now thinking about it if it copied the transformation from the first addition prime arcee and it would've been golden. So ya'know again, I think Legacy's fun. When looking for the United stuff, I recommend getting the new Windblade, it has a big backpack yes but it's relatively the best Windblade so far, you might have different opinions on it but that's always cool💙
I did think going into this video that it would be more positive than it was. It's entirely possible that the fun the line was clearly having even if it wasn't working properly was infectious causing me to think it was better over all. The Funny thing is despite my Negativity I'm one of the people who's nicer to that figure than most. So it's actually weird that I don't cast that thing to the inferno. I hope you like the new Windblade more than I.
5:54 that will do, I still think it’s the best chug combiner by far or at least better than the combiner wars menasor, although I’m only gonna get motormaster anyways
I have a theory that Legacy Bulkie was a mold Hasbro had laying around for a while and didn't know what/when to use it, nor what universe to put it under, so, they released it under the Aligned Continuity/Prime Universe, and called it a day.
Countertheory: he was meant to be a what-if G1 Bulkhead before the idea of doing designs from all the Transformers media minus the movies became the central focus of Legacy/Evolution/United and he was promptly given a Prime Bulkhead noggin in order to match up with his wavemate Arcee.
I still remember how excited I was for this line and how many figures I wanted when the leaks were out, and as of today I've only got Bulkhead, Knockout and Iguanus. I literally have more ER figures than Legacy year 1 and I don't like ER as a line. Legacy was so dissapointing for me, out of all I originally wanted (and it was a lot) I'll just get Arcee and Starscream (to repaint him and have him as my Thundercracker) and MAYBE I'll seek out Elita and Laser Prime (to repaint him as a Nemesis which I'm sure will be cheaper than tracking the velocitron one since we never got him here in Chile) and that only if I don't find better alternatives.
@@PerspectiveEnd it's mainly the fact that I entered university to study the same year, so I didn't buy as much becausr I have to be more conservative with my money which leads me to be more judging of the figures I wanna buy and on that lies dissapointment. For example, I wanted Pointblank because growing up I had a DvD of the rebirth that I watched a lot as a kid, so when I saw the reviews I was so dissapointed because I could see and point in my collection better ways to tackle some stuff like the arms, my 2005 Cybertron Blurr has the same arm design but it's ingeneering allows him to have better articulation than a 2022 deluxe. Its a extreme case but that's how things were more or less
I always find I don't agree with about half of your opinions in these videos, but I still really enjoy how you express them.Your presenting style is really funny, well done mate. I'm in the UK and I did alright with the last few Kingdom / Legacy / SS86 really. I think I got most of what I wanted for reasonable price, but I paid £35 for Cosmos ( about $45 ) and - you're going to hate this - £40 for Dead End ( about $50 ) because I had all of the other ones and I wanted the complete set. I did only pay £45 for Motormaster in a sale when he was costing £90 everywhere else though, so it balanced out I guess! I really enjoyed Iguanus too and also thought Bombshell was a 2/3 at best. Boo.
0:51 Regarding figure shipping, where i live its kinda an issue considering the only figures i was able to find a lot of from legacy were either legend, elita-1, galvatron and laser prime. Which kinda sucks considering i barely order anything onlin.
I really think you’re hating too hard on Wildrider and blitzwing, yet not hating enough on dragstrip. I won’t retype it, because I’ve discussed it with you several times. Great vid man.
Blitzwing is basically a RED figure, and Whildrider sucks in every way. Honestly it probably should have been on the worst of year list, but I think I forgot it.
Around Christmas time last year Walmart were selling 2 packs of both legacy and studio series figures it was a buy one get one free deal cause the 2 packs were $25 each
I think the lack of a coherent theme might've stifled some of the designers. Trying to design wildly different characters to all fit in the same toy line can't have been easy, going from a car robot one day then a fire ant the next. While some thrive on that, some is not all.
It explains why despite the bad distribution, many of legacy's first year figures have been shelf-forming even into the toyline's third year. There were a few bangers, but most of the series was kind of sub-par. I do at least feel that year 2 was genuinely an evolution in some ways for the toyline. It also stumbled here and there but it came out stronger in my opinion than year one
I'm both Proud and Disappointed you feel that way. I was quite thrilled with how this turned out, though I have been equally proud several other times.
Kinda crazy I’ve been collection for 11 years. My first figure was thrilling 30 bumblebee, love that thing, so much nostalgia, got it when I was a little kid and still have it
Can't wait for you to review Legacy Shadowstriker and Detritus to reveal they're the worse toys of their line, showing that I wasted money on the only two goddamn figures I could find
6:35-ish you don't need to watch energon before cybertron. cybertron only pays the barest amount of lip service to either energon or armada to the point where it's a different continuity in all but name. with that said you might still not enjoy it given that it's very much in the super robot side of the franchise
I get that, but there's this stupid little voice in the back of my head telling me I need to watch everything first. And maybe. It's a strong possibility I don't care for it. But who knows right now.
10:14 I'm so over about being bothered by Blitzwing's alternate modes. Truth be told, I prefer Astrotrain over Blitzwing, since a train and a space shuttle is more compatible shape-wise in comparison to the tank and fighter jet that Blitzwing has. Legacy Blitzwing is just alright, and I can accept that his two alternate modes are just incompatible without kibble from one mode appearing in the other, I think it has a charm, and I'm no stickler for accuracy. The fact that the Legacy jet has more underkibble than his G1 counterpart is questionable though. Overall, I think it's a fun toy and the triple-changer kibble doesn't ruin it for me personally.
I do feel you on that, and at least we did get a really solid Astrotrain in Siege/ER. Unfortunately I just think we got a Way Better Blitzwing in TR, so this isn't an upgrade to me.
The only true wave 1 figures I bothered with were dragstrip and kickback but I only really care about the G1 figures anyway.I also got a new Legacy Soundwave repack with rumble included for a great price.Even though the legacy repack doesn't really count the QC was incredible every joint was perfect plus the battle damage is gone which I didn't think looked all that great on the siege version.I never got the Kingdom Galvatron either so when I seen the legacy repack for $23 I had to pick that up too and its the same story as the Soundwave no battle damage and evert joint is perfect.
Honestly, I don't necessarily mind Blitzwing's jet mod if the tank turret (which is supposed to be lined up with the rest of his tank kibble) is pulled out under the jet's belly, and has the turret in it's condensed form, as it feels a bit more balanced out to me, as it better makes a visual angle from nosecone to back of jet instead of a harsh 90 degrees. It also kinda reminds me a little of the underbelly turrets on some actual planes, even if the Soviet MiG-25 would never logically have one.
@@PerspectiveEnd The tank is in general passable to me personally, but the nosecone in tank mode was unnecessary and does visually break it at a number of angles.
I don't always agree with you, but I did point-for-point as you went through. One exception: the Knockout to me just needed a better head/face. I could forgive everything else. But that head screams "do a second draft." I also like the imagery of something grasping as well as a "fish climbing a tree." Did you come up with that simile? It definitely is good enough to deserve to be stolen.
I mean isn't that what I said about the head already? As for the fish I don't know, I just looked into it, and Einstine once said "You can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree", so maybe I heard that before, I don't know.
Well, although I only have 3 Legacy figures, I'll give you my top 10 best and top 10 worst figures of the line, but I included the Velocitron collection and the Wreck 'n Rule wave, as they're just subseries from Legacy, not their own individual toylines. But generally speaking, I do think Legacy was fairly bad, or mediocre at best, as there was more to hate then to like. Top 10 worst. 10: Kickback 9: Soundwave 8: Bltizwing 7: Eject (*yes, I went there*) 6: Twintwist 5: Pointblank 4: Scourge 3: Arcee 2: Knockout 1: Bulkhead Top 10 best. 10: Skids 9: Elita-One 8: Jhiaxus 7: Blaster 6: Springer 5: Tarantulas 4: Metroplex 3: Starscream 2: Dragstrip 1: Override
