I agree with what you’re saying but it was incredibly disappointing to see Fatality unable to play around the spot dodges. He just gave up going for them.
Leon play style is just annoying. “Don’t pressure my shield or imma up-b, don’t grab me or imma spot dodge up-b” he just relies mistakes to win instead of going out and finding mistakes player will make. He’s just too passive of a player for me to enjoy. Where is the flashy stocks and all that? Leon hands down best bowser.. but very carried by 1 move
@@balls.g bruh stop crying lol you sound upset because he picks good options? Its bowser, what did u expect? If u pressure his shield unsafely, his best option is literally to up b, what u want him to not pick the best option out of shield? Y'all want flashy twitter clip combos from an unflashly character going up against the best falcon where one mistake can equal death. Leon was patient and forced fatality into choosing certain options that he punished heavily. You don't become the best bowser soley off of punishing mistakes especially when at the top level top players don't make much or any unforced mistakes
@@asam2738 Lol sorry, forgot that U-air, U-air, U-air, U-air, U-air, U-air, U-air, U-air, into knee ain't cheese. Or the fact that he's one of the fastest characters on the ground, and has good air speed. Not to mention the best magnet hands in the game for some odd reason. Oh, and a no-risk up special that's a command grab and a kill option. A side special that is safe even if it doesn't land. Some of the fastest and safest aerials in the game too. But I forget, the thing that keeps him from being considered cheese is his foot hurtbox on his turn around. Yup, he's definitely not cheese, sorry for the confusion.
@@WungusBill u can DI out pretty much every falcon combo, up b is not unpunishable in the slightest, and with side b; it has a million frames of end lag, every good character in the game has safe aerials. If u learned the mu u wouldn't be so upset lol
All Bowser mains stand up for our national hero! LeoN's performance was incredibly coordinated and upmost patient for those openings, it's nice comparing his original match ups to how we see him now.
Been following fatality for a while fan of his play and personality, cool dude.. and dang man Leon is so nasty like u can’t do anything but respect that he just knows his character so well and the patience/reads etc. Props to both players
Fatality is a good player, but I think the problem with him is he makes so many callouts before having the time to prove he was right. He should be more humble imo.
I love fatility more but I'm low-key happy bowser won because that character struggles against combo heavy characters. He really had to avoid like 15 spike attempts this entire set. One of my favorite things about this game is how balanced it is! It can definitely be better but dam.
As a Fatality fan, I gotta say I will give respect to Leon. He is dedicated to Bowser, a character that shares Captain Falcon's struggles in fighting against the higher tiers. He deserves the win and respect in defeating Falcon, a heavyweight slayer.
@@capitalmedia621 Funny enough, Jesse Park never said that the commentators said patrickcide came first. Both parties merely stated facts. But the lol could be interpreted as him being turned off to the commentators mentioning patrickcide prior to their mention of bowsercide. Edited: side to cide*
Bowser in Smash Ultimate is like the previous Bowsers got tired of being bullied and just decided to go to the gym. He always had the strength in the arms but now his legs are like freaking pistons
yeah, same. aside from some whiffed grabs it was still a really skilled set from both of them. it was about as close as it gets, great matches. it's all good
@@sifumig7492 anyone who reads comments before watching is just asking to be spoiled. I mean what are these comments for other than to discuss how the set went???
@@turntech4776 go ahead and try hitting bowser shielding lmao. Fatality pretty much had to go for grabs, though his combos are pretty much win conditions against heavies.
Leon really does have that MKLeo factor where he can get bodied in a set, but then he learns the hell out of the match-up and overcomes the next time round. Heck, he might even have an answer for Tweek this time round.
@@dennisd.4726 whichever player has the lower percentage influences where the side b lands more. so if you take your opponent’s stock and you are higher than 0, you can’t pull it off
My theory is that there is a mental component of fear involved when Fatality plays pros in bracket, thus hindering his ability to play his best. He has no problem hanging with and/or beating the best of the best during friendlies and FT10's so as a fatality fan, it especially sucks to see him lose to opponents who have a huge MU disadvantage. I was banging my head on the table seeing him get cheesed by 2 command grabs in a row... wtf?!? Props to Leon for making it so far in the tourney though. Takes some insane skill to do that with Bowser.
No, Fatality has been competing way too long at high level for "he's afraid of playing pros in bracket!" to make the tiniest bit of sense. Most ft10s are online, high isn't comparable to offline, and even offline and in friendlies majority of pros aren't being massive try hard. Fatality just isn't evolving as well in Ultimate and other players are improving faster than him.
Fatality has gotten 2nd at 2gg Civil War, fighting multiple top players through a bracket where upsets were a commonplace. It was also one of the most crowded tournaments with a crowd more similar to a concert. Fear always plays a part in tournaments but don't see how it affects Fatality placings in tournaments.
fellow bowser main here imo falcon isn’t that bad of a matchup, i think it’s -0.5 personally. the combos are rough but offstage isn’t terrible if you use different timings for up b as leon did here and we can also butcher falcon in disadvantage.
@@mysteriousmuffin6017 fellow bowser main, I think that's a whack take considering how falcon's punish game is light years ahead of bowser's while their neutral is pretty similar
@@ellachino4799 is it though? our up throw combos do about as much as a falcon string and we can kill falcon off of a stray hit a lot earlier than he can so it adds up.
@@mysteriousmuffin6017I can't believe you are comparing up throw aerial to falcon's combo game... grabbing falcon is a lot harder than getting a stray falcon nair
@@ellachino4799 just use a bait and punish strategy. if you shield a nair you get a grab-. bowser also needs less hits anyway to get falcon to kill percent.
You never can blame bowsercide... I think Fatality just doesnt know you can actually Control it and he wasnt pressing anything. You technicly cant die to it especially around center stage
as bowser you actually have a lot more control than you think over your recovery. Leon recovered like that on purpose as a mix up in order to avoid (and cross up) Fatality's edge guard or punish attempts
Flying Slam isn’t DI dependent, its % dependent. If Bowser has the lower % he has more “control” on Flying Slam, if the opponent has lower %, they have more “control” over the move.
You've gotta give credit to Leon for playing the mu inredibly well. He sdi'd the nairs and upairs down like a mad man so Fatality couldn't get the 0-to-deaths he normally does on super heavies. On top of that, he didn't get up-tilted a single time the entire set, he guessed the airdodge/no airdodge mixup right every time he was put in that position. The only thing I'd put against Fatality is not going for up-B edgeguards enough. Instead he tried to get the spikes which are harder to land on Bowser.
@@voodooedits785 fatality on a good day beats Leon easily. It’s not even the players it’s the character mu. Fatality should not be losing this. Honestly just watching all this missed grabs and horrible disadvantage game. Fatality lost because he played bad in my opinion
@@LoofTroop easily? nah. You need to know how much Leon has improved in the falcon mu. This mu is not as bad as people think it is. It's only +0.5 falcon favored. And your "opinion" isn't right either. Fatality didn't play bad, Leon just played better than him which is why he won. Leon avoided those grabs, which is why he won.
Fatality actually said that he was super comfortable going against Bowser on this tournament , he said he was more worried about elegant and others... Well that turned out OK... Right?
Can someone explain how at 3:30 bowser jumped like 3 times? did his airdodge come back? but his 2nd/3rd jump didnt look like jumps, or airdodges, but weird pop ups... im so confused lmao
It surprises me that Leon only tries to 2-frame Fatality with f-tilt ONCE in the entire set. I know Falcon is kind of hard to 2-frame, but Leon always makes it look so easy. What am I missing? Also, you can tell they both respect the sh*t out of each other. One hit or grab is life-or-death in this match up. I love it!
as a bowser main i’m pretty sure it’s impossible to hit falcons 2 frame with f tilt. also flame breath is just free percent and especially easy to hit on falcon so that’s why leon was going for that
yo, bowser main here leon's probably doing it because he doesn't want to risk an execution error like that. Falcon can punish a whiffed f tilt 2 frame with ledge drop DJ Nair and then convert that into raptor boost which usually gives him 80+, since leon is usually around low percent when he hits fatality offstage instead he's opting for sitting at a distance where fatality can't hit him directly off the ledge, and then using good spacing to ledge trap fatality properly bowser's got a couple matchups like this (gnw and palu are probably the other best examples) where the potential risk of getting punished for a dropped 2 frame often isn't worth going for it in the first place
These commentators bruh🤣🤣. One dude calm and really analyzing, while the other just screaming when deaths happen and kinda being annoying. Good game tho
Crazy how people will still say LeoN is carried by Bowser. Think about how many heavy weights in tournaments Fatality has bodied since release. LeoN just understandings how to use Bowser's defensive options as an offense is insane
i think a lot of people see the big hit boxes and damage per hit and think leon is just carried. while i agree that at low and mid levels of play bowser is pretty brain dead, if you don’t play bowser you don’t notice the insane amount of adaptation and nuances in leon’s play style that allow him to win against top players. at the top level no character is carried whatsoever and leon clearly just has god tier fundies and an understanding of the game.
I main Bowser with Dedede as a secondary. I can safely say 49% of the game is all metal. You need a lot of patience and you need to be able to get consistent reads
Was rooting for leon I like fatality as well but bowser is the boss and needs to win lol, 3:31 can someone explain I thought bowser only has 1 jump he jumped twice in the air wtf?
Hearing the Commentators says fatality has control of bowscide, is wild. Smash 4 it was percentage wise, this game it’s bowser. You have almost no control of that. Fatality been in the scene for such a long time. He would of avoid it if he could of
He’s lost to him before in other majors. Bowser isn’t as free for CF as people think. He’s fast and you can’t shield pressure him and obviously kills super early. Though he definitely should have done better when Leon was offstage
@@A.E.Personal naw that's not how it works the general rule of thumb for how side b influence works is that the player with lower percent has more influence, but there are a few exceptions, usually at low percent. if the opponent is at 0, bowser will have more influence over side b's direction than them until he's at around 45, so leon had way more influence in both of the bowsercides in game 1, since he was around 45 for both of them and fatality was at 30 and 45 respectively
Here there are people talking shit, Leo won very close, if they had continued playing, I would be closed, they talk too much straw, winning and winning convincingly, not by sheer luck.
It’s been a while since fatality played Leon so he must have forgotten the match ups while Leon who was always loosing decided to do more practice with bowser so that he could beat fatality, now if fatality recovers from the mistakes and they okay again I’m sure falcon will be even more scarier
