It's hilarious this guy talking about Fierceness winning the Triple Crown- he is erratic and is a sucker bet- he won't get first or second but SL has huge potential- the only issue- the trip and the price.
Well it is important if the horse is timid, no matter how fast he is. Some horses really do "race", compete and fight to get in front. It is hard to tell which ones are like, however. They stand out in a field of yearlings.
The horse is not timid...go watch the BC Juvenile. He was sitting off of speed and had horses all around him on the second turn. He finished 3rd in the Holy Bull because Pletcher had him off over 90 days and did not work him fast at all. And yes he did get "bounced between horses" early, but seemed to be OK... He could have just as easily needed the race. As for the Champagne, he was a maiden winner in a grade 1 race in the slop. Is this your first day handicapping horses. That is the kind of race you ALWAYS draw a line through because it is extremely rare to put a maiden winner in a grade 1 and expect perfection.
It's a wide open Derby! I believe there's five or six horses can possibly win including just a touch, honor Marie, catching freedom, and my favorite long shot Encino!
LOL, one night I picked a 40 to 1 shot to beat one of Lester's chalks. Lester told the whole crowd he'd squirm naked over broken glass if my horse won. My horse won. Never saw ol Lester bleeding. 😊
This guy is telling us a horse that so far is unable to win 2 in a row will now win 3 in a row..what is he drinking..and who would want to see him naked..I would vomit
He is right...Fierceness will win for fun. His 3rd place finish in the Holy Bull was an off race where it was his first race back and bounced out of the gate before the short run up. He still finished third by a length. His BC Juv and Fl Derby were both tour de forces...Johnny V will get him out of the gate and sit near the front and he will pull away. A price horse comes in second, Sierra up for leone third.
Sorry but im a man of superstition, Johnny V wont win the derby with fierceness, Johnny V only wins derbies on horses that start with A, Authentic, Always Dreaming, Animal Kingdom. Medina Spirit is the exception but according to CDI, MS never won the race so as far as im concerned if Johnny V is riding a horse whose name doesn't start with A, then hes got no chance. Plus fierceness doesn't know how to run two marvelous races back to back. He wont even hit the board, I expect something to go wrong right out of the gate and have him shuffled mid pack where he has no chance navigating through all that traffic
Acting Like Fierceness Was Some Lock of a Lifetime in Derby Was Just Handicappers PRETENDING He Was Immortal Coming into Derby....Les Did Not Even Believe in His Own Words About Fierceness...He Like Many Others Just Were Hoping to Feel "Smart" if Fierceness Ran Big
Nothing Against Fierceness ' But something how you call a race when haven't even seen the Post Gate Line Up Yet ! Like Post 17 rings a bell with everyone who knows anything about the horse racing at " Kentucky Derby " That number 17 sir would probably make you a believer and a loser at the same time ! And the way he runs his races I have seen ! He loses this one ! But he will be on all my Supers Sounds More Like It ! The only ones who wins here ! Is the ones holding winning tickets at the end of the day Good Luck Guys...
@@dan51978 Fierceness beat Muth in the BC Juvenile by 6.5 lengths. They were almost side by side at the top of the stretch. And Muth runs in the Preakness. Should be interesting because he is fresh.
He is not wrong you do no count out a Johnny V horse without Baffert in the mix Fierceness by 3 horses Fierceness Sierra Donough is by win place show. my heads been screaming sierra leone since october times dont show triple crown but Fierceness will win the Derby of every race before the derby Fierce beat the best horses by 8-10 lengths
Fierceness wont lose 1 48 1 easy for 9 furlongs the others going 1 49 and change hard ridden it should be by how far exacta horses arestrong hold sierra leone and catching freedom
Fierceness beat a pack of mediocre horses at Gulfstream. He had no fight in his two losses. Many horses are great on a loose lead but that is not likely in the Derby.
Explain the BC Juvenile, where he rated off the pace and put that one away and then repelled Muth and won going away by 6.5 lengths? He was not "loose on the lead" in that race. Not even close.
He has run 5 races (won 3)...some horses in this race have not won 2 races period. You think that is sufficient for a form pattern when broken up by a 2 and 3 year old season? Really? Knowing how Pletcher spaces his races and trains? I guess we will find out Saturday.
Hahaha not a chance in hell, fierceness has form cycle that says when he runs a monster race, the next race out is always a disappointment. That will certainly continue, he cant string together two marvelous races. I expect something will go wrong with him, hops out the gate, stumbles a bit and gets shuffled at the back of the pack, yep fierceness wont even hit the board, mark my words
Consider that is a pretty small sample size( it happened twice and one time he hit the board), and that cycle is monster race maiden race then thrown into a grade 1 Champagne Stakes in the slop. Perhaps that was a bit too ambitious for Pletcher? Then the next was from the monster BC Classic to a 96 day layoff and then the Holy Bull first race back in a 3 race prep. Pletcher never has his horses cranked first race back but thought he was good enough to win anyway...maybe he was just short?
@@revizionaryenterprises9655yep gotta love being dead on the money, like I said I've seen horses like this my whole life, can't ever follow a massive performance with another one, yep fierceness did EXACTLY what I knew he was gonna do, gotta love being right when so many experts hyped this horse up as some kind of super horse, what a joke, that performance was one of the biggest dud ive ever seen, he was backpedaling before he even hit the top of the stretch
Fierceness will not win. He has the good race bad race style. Since he won his last race guess what he does in the derby. Sierra Leone is a one run pony, very few Derby winners have that style as they usually run into traffic. Im looking at the 6-7-8 right now for the winner.
Yeah, the past is always the arbiter of the future...that is why everyone had Rich Strike and Mine that Bird to win the Derby. The truth is he is 3 wins and a show out of 5 races with 2 dominating grade 1 wins. Johnny V said he is not sure if it happend because he tried to bring Fierceness back when he became rank early after getting hit at the break (and he resented it) or if he was short in the HB...but he just stopped. BTW, if I was using your race style handicapping formula I would point out that the 6 has only won 2 times in 11 starts and he seems to have forgotten how to win, nice horse, but not for the win. BTW, Just Steel has run 7th or 6th three times!! And third numerous times. Yet he is your choice over Fierceness? OK...He will be at a price, and I may have him underneath...but he likely will not win. He has not run fast enough. I do like the 8. I agree on the 2, and how he is up against it. If they get the 7 closer to the pace he may have a shot. My only concern for the 8 is the only race he has won is his maiden. He lost his other two (2 places). At some point you have to win again, but I liked Mage last year too.
