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Sounds like a 5.7mm is the best selection. Because its more than a .22. And because its probably going to be 2 hits in the meaty bits. And if you're using a Revolver instead, better have 2 of them.
Multiple attackers is why I still often carry a spare magazine, despite knowing in the back of my mind John is telling me he’s never seen a non-LE reload happen on video. Maybe I’m just being silly, but I feel better knowing I have more than just my 12+1 without compromising conceal ability
Lots of cop videos where a magazine gets dumped by accident during a shootout because of adrenaline or a close quarter struggle, that or there is a malfunction that requires the magazine to be dropped. If something crazy happens just dump the mag and get the next one in; the added benefit is being prepared for multiple assailants.
If I didn’t live in a state that limits the magazine capacity to 10 I most likely wouldn’t carry more. But since I live in a backward state that deprives gun owners of their right to self defense I would probably carry an extra two magazines.
John thank you for the reminder to always carry. One of my take away a from moving to Texas last yr was so many “gun enthusiasts “ rarely if ever carrying. As a differently abled person, outside of work I always carry. I’ve been pinned at my vehicle and followed in Walmart to my pov living elsewhere. Get licensed and practice . bad actors have all day to target while good people work.
I love the commentary about being fast or accurate. I had the same debate at a shooting class with some old guy who was incredibly accurate but incredibly slow. I could put rounds very fast, all in the A&B zones with no clear pattern or grouping. He made a comment about my pattern and I made a comment about how I can empty half my magazine into him while he was still trying to find the sights if we were ever in a position to have to be shooting at each other.
In a real firefight, one that can keep his head and shoot back ACCURATELY, while being shot at is more important than how fast you can unload your gun.
Just so you know John, these principles of gun play have not changed for over a hundred years. I just watched a video (here on you tube) a guy reading Wyatt Earp’s account of being a gunfighter in the old west. I highly recommend giving it a listen. When I listened, I heard your lessons in what Wyatt was saying.
I dunno John, the amount of times ive bashed my shin on a trailer hitch, im pretty sure i would have some kind of immunity to at least small calibers 😂
Speed and accuracy sounds a lot like competition shooting which I've been told will get me "kilt in da streetz"!! Wasn't the highest round count private citizen shooting the ipsc shooter in Brazil?
With some guys who are dating/married to a lady who isn’t gun friendly i think they are just nervous to carry. My wife was never comfortable with guns but over time she got used to Me always having one. Now she takes me to bass pro to buy ammo so she can look at camping stuff lol
The way I was taught in martial arts classes, "Situational Awareness" does cover everything John spoke of. Different ways of saying the same thing, and that's OK!
Second comment, sometimes one person in a gunfight will have made up his mind that while being shot may kill him, it won’t stop him. Rodger Young was shot with a machine gun and crawled forward. He was shot again with a machine gun. He continued forward and was shot a third time as he threw a grenade. Third place win. Rodger died before the grenade exploded, however the grenade wiped out the machine gun nest AND the rest of the patrol Rodger was in survived unharmed. I have been shot at with what is presumed to be 130mm coastal defense artillery, 2-3-4 times a night for 1.5-2 weeks. I have accepted that I might be shot in the back in the next second and my thought was, “I have got to make the kick land even if I take a bullet first.” Major bones, thigh, vertebrae, or pelvis, are even better than meat at putting something or someone down. Vertebrae are behind center of mass.
Good info, thank you. It's tough. You're buying a tool and practicing to be good with it, to do something in the real world you're very unlikely to ever do. But you have to be proficient at it, the very first time you ever do it.
You know, statistically it's not quite as unlikely as some people tend to thing. From a statistical perspective the lifetime chance is between 9 and 30% cumulatively.
John, have you ever trained with Steve Anderson? A competitive trainer, who has really thought things out. Really puts the thoughts of how to use our tool of choice, into words well. You do really well also. Thank you for being willing to put so much work into the thought process as well.
@@ASPextra You like training, I think you would really enjoy his style. He is all about the game but if you really want to get fast, with your tool, he is the man.
Maaaaaaaaan.. This turned out to be something totally different than what I was expecting.. I was kinda expecting a author talking about the fictional gunfights in warhammer 40 000.. instead I got a lesson in firearms use and why you NEED to carry and TRAIN with your guns.. Good job man to keep your presentation interesting for a rando that is interested in guns but aint no way in hell he will be allowed to carry a gun in day to day situations in Sweden.. :P
Useful presentation, Thanks I recently watched a you tuber discussion on Gunfights and gun FIGHTERS based on an interview with Wyatt Erpp shortly before his death. One of several takeaway is "Slow is fast" and split seconds count. THUS it is necessary to have the proper mind set that Bypasses The "Oh Shit" factor. Peace and prosperity Through personal Responsibility
John, an interesting statistic to look at in your videos would be the highest amount of rounds fired by a private citizen that was not enough. As in, how often did someone run out of ammo with, say, a revolver when they really needed more vs how many times did they run out with a 10 shot pistol or with a 15 shot pistol.
I know he covered a video a few years back where a pawn shop owner was attacked by 2 guys and the shop owner drew a G43 (not a revolver obviously, but still has a capacity of 6) Ended up in a wrestling match with the first guy and ended up shooting him, but he fired all 6. Now thankfully the 2nd assailant ran off but if he had chosen to fight that store clerk would have been on his own
Texas already allows teachers to voluntarily carry weapons. Under the state’s guardian program, educators must first be approved by their school districts, pass a psychological exam and receive 80 hours of training to be armed.
@ExoDeus I would take that as a compromise. Schools shouldn't be gun free zones though to begin with. Teachers have the right to protect themselves and shouldn't have to beg permission from the crown to carry.
Good stuff here. The "average" gun fight thing is always tricky. There are SO many dependencies. For instance, in an underlying criminal encounter against a non-merchant/non-leo civilian, you would expect a closer engagement. The bad guy needs to get into contact distance to perpetrate his crime. Not too many people get mugged or car jacked from 7 yards away. However, we see multiple attackers jump out of a moving vehicle and those paying attention may open fire much sooner (no need to wait) from a greater distance. Same goes for some of these non-US countries where the pre-attack indicators (2 guys on a motto) are much clearer and shots can be fired much sooner. In social violence scenarios, we see two (or more) people usually square-off and want to close the distance. I would bet that the closer the distance the less shots fired, but that is just a guess. Then there is the random/active shooter threats. Those can be protracted encounters from long distances. Point being, while there may not be an "average" gunfight, there most certainly are very typical scenarios that may dictate a typical response. So train and equip accordingly.
I'll tell you one lesson I've learned from watching almost no gun fights. Try really hard not to get into a gun fight bc when bullets are flying, no one has good odds. Glock is the way, though. 17 shots. Now I'm really convinced glock is the way. 17 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. I have one left over in the chamber while I reload! You probably cover that somewhere, I'm just here for a hot take.
Very interesting stats on gun fights. Matches up closely with the Black Label Report the Modern Warrior Project published several years ago. We'd love to get in touch and see if there's an opportunity to collaborate.
10:11 still fresh but I’d imagine(just having a very cursory understanding of math[im technically dumb]) the average is gonna sit anywhere between 5-9(when discharge occurs). We can probably(but shouldn’t) discount the number of engagements where no shots were fired(because there was no fire). But if we include them(we should because science) the average number of shots fired is going to plummet(especially if 80% of all engagements end without rounds going off) down to like 1-3 on average. Maybe, again I’m really dumb.
John, love the app so far. Just signed up for a year. Can you clarify on point 24. Are the statements meant to suggest you don't recommend having a WML or that it isn't common for it to be a significant difference for CCW? Love watching your videos!
I have never seen one needed by a private citizen. For a CCW gun I think they're unnecessary, but just because they're not necessary doesn't mean they're wrong to have. Just not useful. I joke that they're like having a Snoopy Snow Cone Machine on your gun for private citizens.
My weapon in the service was a 1911. If you practice like you should 7 is more than enough. Praying and spraying is not good. There is a good chance you will hit the wrong person. I would rather be hit than hit the wrong person.
One thing I have issue with, he said he would abdicate his security to a security team if he had Bezos' money. WHY?!?! I would never trust my security completely to somebody else, not even a trained security team. Ronald Reagan had a security detail. Stuff happens and I want to have the final say in whether I survive or not.
@@ASPextra No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is YOU and only you are responsible for your security. In that specific scenario, Reagan being armed wouldn't change him getting shot, as with many cases. However, my point remains the same.
I just think it's wrong. If you can hire a whole security detail, you're not out at the Piggly Wiggly or rolling through Walmart parking lots. Whole different world.
I wish i could carry my gun but i do not own one anymore and am not allowed to have one i guess but am not a federally restricted person according to my attorney im confused asfk
Unfortunately, some people allow fear of their government to dictate what they can and cannot do. If government can't and won't issue you a CCW, you have to do what Thomas Jefferson suggested: "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty."
New rule, don't answer questions during a recorded seminar. It is super annoying. Also, there are exactly zero people saying: "man that guy really knows his stuff"
You didn't answer the question. If you were a billionaire, would you go to the grocery store yourself, or trust someone else to do that? Gas your own car?
@@ASPextra The context is self-defense, not everyday life. If I were a billionaire somehow, I would still believe that my self-defense is ultimately my responsibility. And at my age I probably wouldn't change much, especially considering how hardheaded that I am. I did always prefer to do my own mechanic work. But since I'm disabled now, I can't do a lot of the things that I used to do. No doubt that I would have people working for me, but who and what they did would just depend on my needs at the time.
You would rather afford to pay armed security to keep you safe? I am shocked to hear that you would make your own personal protection someone elses responsibility entirely! I would still carry a gun and spare mag and knife security or not. Personal protection is ultimately an individual responsibility.
Not if you're a billionaire it's not. If you had the worth and cash flow of a billionaire, are you getting your own gas? Buying your own groceries? Cleaning your own toilets? Nope.
Jack Wilson was NOT fast. If he was actually fast, it's quite possible that no one would have died other than the criminal. And it's even worse when you consider that he and the rest of the "security" detail were suspicious of the shooter and keeping an eye on him.
Jack was 3.5 seconds from his decision to draw to a head shot on a moving target at 15 yards. So, not sure what you’d consider fast, but that was not slow.
@@ASPextra I watched the video too, he was SIX seconds from the moment the threat presented itself to the fatal shot. They had eyes on the suspect according to his own words. The first person killed died for the same reason, wasting time fumbling their draw stroke due to a lack of practice and understanding. I know "moderate" level shooters who could have neutralized the threat in under 4 seconds rather than 6. Expert and Master level shooters could have taken care of business in under 3 (and even 2) seconds. So no, he's NOT fast
My belief is that it is immoral to hire someone to protect you if you aren’t willing to protect yourself. I don’t care if you are talking about police, armed guards or military.
“Reckless discharge” of your weapon in a city of 100,000 or more can result in you getting charged and losing your weapon. And reckless discharge it what THEY say it is, not you. Is it worth the $50 in your wallet?
Friend of mine gave robber wallet and keys to his truck. Robber said walk away, he did and was shot in the back of his head ! Dead ! Not me, I’ll fight back.
@Active Self Protection Extra your support hand thumb us doing nothing to aid in your grip of the gun and in fact is making it possible for it to interfere with the slide and slide release of the gun I have no idea how this grip became so popular although I have read that people think it consitant with a rifle grip as if your not smart enough to know your holding a pistol
I would encourage you to take a good firearms training class to understand and experience what is normally called the "thumbs forward grip." I don't think your concern is really valid for those with 60+ lbs of hand strength in each hand.
@Active Self Protection Extra I have 37 years law enforcement and am a qualified distinguished pistol expert believe Me we do not teach any of our members to shoot that way think about it why on God's green earth when you have opposable thumbs would you not use them it is mot so apparent when shooting low recoil rounds such as a 9mm nut go up in caliber and look at slow motion video you will see how your method of holding the weapon is not secure u said it yourself 60 lbs hand strength I suggest you look at a chart of hand strength of avg people at certain ages you will see 60lbs is not far off so your method has an inherent flaw which you acknowledge the much better and more secure method is a modified revolver grip wherein the support thumb wraps on top of the other this way the firearm us gripped very securely and hand strength is not an issue further your appendages are kept away from any moving parts of the weapon there's us absolutely no advantage to thumb forward grip and several disadvantages
Okay man. You obviously have it all figured out. Your technique is outdated and flawed, friend. It just is. The fastest and most accurate shooters on earth don't do it your way in 2023. Haven't in at least 15 years.
Sir, please shut up about this crap you talk about Texas and Houston. You are NOT getting the stories where citizens protect and defend using guns in Texas and HOUSTON.
