Let’s Rank all Ocarina of Time Dungeons, while Chatting about their Design! 

If you think about it, "Princess Hyrule" is actually correct because everyone in the Hyrulean royal family has the last name Hyrule. So Zelda's full name would be Zelda Hyrule, and so Princess Hyrule would be a perfectly acceptable way to address her.

The 3DS version turned the water temple from one of the worst dungeons in the game, to one of the best dungeons by making the iron boots an item you are able to equip!

The section about pattern breaks is a pattern break itself. Genius.

"That's it, that's every Ocarina of Time dungeon ranked." *Sad Ganon's Tower Noises*

Him calling Zelda "Hyrule" with zero irony or voice inflections was peak comedy 13:59

It's wholesome how we didn't get to see his face for ages and now he's totally into it

Re: the Forrest temple, that first key is signaled with a gold skultula on the vines. Because you don't have the longshot or any projectiles at that point, you have to climb up to the top of the stump to nab that token, which makes the chest plainly visible. I know some players still miss it, but they didn't throw it in a random spot without a hint. Also, deku nuts make the first 3 poe fights very quick; they're a highly underrated item.

Fun Fact: I missed that sign in Dodongo’s Cavern and had a hard time with that puzzle as a little kid. The signs usually said dumb stuff and I stopped read them my first play through.

He needs to open a new channel where he does let's plays and streams, just so the channel "Ceave Gaming Gaming" exists

gorons are obviously living in their personal luncheon kingdom, with all those rocks and stones around them

When you realize Ceave has a framed picture of Princess Ruto....

I feel like the Water Temple and maybe the Shadow Temple sections are a soft rebuttal to Mark Brown's design arguments. Which is fine, but iron boots issues aside I believe you are underselling the Water Temple quite a bit, and it is certainly the dungeon that was given the least amount of attention in your analysis. In particular your emphasis on backtracking as a design flaw without much elaboration undersells the value of *purposeful* backtracking. This kind of backtracking is not the time wasting filler that you would see in a Paper Mario game. Instead the dungeon is asking you to make connections between the rooms and the water levels, forcing you to learn the rules of the dungeon so that you can backtrack and navigate in intelligent ways. Also importantly, the game gives you the tools to make these connections such that, if you do miss something, you can solve the puzzles without it becoming a scavenger hunt. The game makes sure to section off most of the major sections early to see them in their inaccessible states, opening itself up bit by bit so that you're not initially overwhelmed by choice, and uses clever camera angles and a centralized structure to help steer you to points of interest instead of using simple obscurity to hide key items. Moreover, it's important to note the Temple gives you the map and compass early enough so that you don't have to play "guess the room" to find a key! Compare this to the obscure key in the Forest Temple you mentioned. A large part of the problem there is simply that you don't get the compass until late in that dungeon. If you got it early, that key would barely be noteworthy, and as a result primarily serves the purpose of just telling the player to check *everything*! Meanwhile, the Water Temple is designed well enough that, even with the map and compass, you're still expected to do the work and make the connections, and paces itself so that you have time to observe much of the dungeon on the first loop. Its a design that I don't think you gave enough attention to, even if you wanted to criticize it. I'm not sure if it's my favorite dungeon overall given the iron boots flaw (and a few other things), but if I made a list it would certainly be in the running. In my objective opinion of course ;) Edit: I may need to double check the Forest Temple, but if you can get the compass before *that* key, that makes the issue a lot smaller I think. But I'm very sure the Compass came after the key was required.

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Link=Zelda Zelda=Hyrule Samus=Metroid Straw in a stack of needles Ceave, I think you might be trolling us.

Why is the bottom of the well so memorable? Most people: it’s a awesome pattern breaker Me: *DEAD HAND AND THE MANY NIGHTS OF SLEEP HE TOOK FROM ME*

I can't believe he called Princess Epona Hyrule. Disappointing, he's clearly never played the game.

The funny thing is that the Water Temple is my favorite, especially since I played Ocarina of Time on the 3DS, which fixed the iron boot problem

"Design is rarely just good or bad" - truer words have rarely been spoken.

Fun fact: the water temple is beatable without the zora tunic, if you get the iron boots from the ice cave but don't think to bring a blue fire with you. Guess how I know?

It's so awesome to see someone else appreciate Jabu Jabu's belly! It's probably my favorite one in the game and everyone says I'm crazy 😂

Ah yes, Princess Hyrule, my favorite Metroid character.

You really can't predict what this guy is going to come up with for his next video. And I love that.

Jabu Jabu’s belly was one of my least favorite, I enjoyed the water temple puzzles, though, the boots was the only problem.

"There are redeads everywhere" *shows a Gibdo*

Of course the dungeon that most horrified me as a child is your favorite.

Each time I play Ocarina of Time I'm reminded there are far more dungeons than I recalled. It is like my mind just keeps erasing the ones that frustrate me.

I've NEVER thought about the Deku Tree being a way of teaching people verticality! That's SO COOL! It checks out! It makes sense! I applaud you.

I never realized Ceave was even faceless until he brought it up himself, and I love it now

Next video: Is it possible to beat OoT without touching a single evil, disgusting rupee?

1:53 "Second,we are going to use our four fuzzy rated ranking system" Me: Is there a shortage of fuzzies again? A few seconds later: Me: Oh.

I was a kid when I went through DC the first time and I remember puzzling about how to make the skull see red for a good amount of time before I got it. I think that puzzle looks a lot easier in retrospect both as gaming conventions go and just already knowing the answer while looking at the clue.

Interesting opinion. Personally Jaba Jabba's belly is my least Favourite.

I thought Jabu Jabu's belly was less interesting than the Water Temple, and the Ice Cave was completely unremarkable.

Nintendo with Ruto: Do you like fish girls? Everyone: no Nintendo with Mipha: How about now

The joke about Zelda's name is funny, because 'Princess Hyrule' isn't even wrong. According to Breath of the Wild, Hyrule is her last name.

This was such an amazing video! Like, it was a fun topic, but the humor was on point, the commentary was interesting, and it was overall really well put together. Even more than they usually are! Also thank you for putting Gerudo Valley theme in like seven times. I love that song and I want it to play everywhere forever.

I think i speak for everyone when i say "yay"

Imagine if he ranked every moon in Mario odyssey

Ceave is so adorable I love that he gets so happy while talking about things he loves never change

16:30 That's actually great design, at least in Master Quest. It teaches you to look in unexpected places and to not take rooms for granted. It makes the first key an event that sticks out, which is what makes the Dodongo skull so great, isn't it?

I love this man. His sense of humor is on-point all the time!

Can we appreciate that Ceave has closed captions set before the video uploads?

The thing with the dodongo skull puzzle has some other important points about it, if you ask me. For one, the sign doesn't just directly tell you what to do, though the layout of the room combined with the bombs being the dungeon item makes it super simple to figure out. It doesn't just say "drop bombs into the skulls eyes from the bridge" It's got that cryptic clue kind of vibe to it, like you tend to see in ancient tombs and temples in media, and makes you feel like you solved the riddle, even it if was trivially simple. Definitely better than if it was just standard game object interactions like the "modern team" example given.

Contrary to this list. Jar Jar’s Belly was my least favorite by far and the Water Temple was easily my favorite.

I kept expecting Ganon's Tower to sneak in at the last minute to usurp the Water Temple's unprize

There is a Gold Skulltula on the vines leading to the small key chest in Forest Temple. It basically points you to the chest.

I liked the water temple. I was excited to go through it to see if I remembered how. There were very few enemies and things to attack you, and the ones that were there were pushovers. It was primarily puzzle.

Water Temple is actually pretty good in 3DS, the quality life changes are most prominent here with all the changes throughout.

Zelda 1: "Dondogo hates smoke"

Ceave expressing the frustration of the first key of the forest temple has me realizing: the reason i stopped my blind playthrough of OoT is because i got stuck in the forest temple unable to progress cuz i couldn't find that key for multiple hours, something which i only realize now, multiple years later

Just wanted to say I fell in love with this channel. All the videos are super insightful and show a deep level of understanding (and appreciation) of game design. Great work Ceave Gaming.

Dude, your videos are always so well thought out and written I could very easily believe there was a professional writing team behind you. Great job! Huuuray!

Thank you for uploading just after my class. This is great stress relief.

I believe it was God that once said, “Thou shalt not place the Forest Temple below the Great Deku Tree. Or Dodongo’s Cavern. Or a literal water temple that is extremely gross to look at. Or basically anything besides the Shadow Temple and the Spirit Temple.”

I actually never noticed that there are no keys in the first 3 dungeons 😂

Another wonderful video! Even while I may not agree with all of your placings, I see your points and also get a rally good analysis of each of them in the process. Keep up the great work!

Ceave is the only channel where we can see someone link the dodongo statue with cyberpunk 2077

So when you're early everyone is talking about Fuzzies lol

This is such a great analysis Ceave! Like, man, not only did you expertly analyze all of the dungeons in a consistent and interesting way, but you were able to bring in other topics through great tangents and comparisons. Your style of content has been becoming increasingly unique and I'm really loving it. I look forward to more videos analyzing different aspects of videogames / the industry like this!

Love the video, only missed your opinion on Ganon's Castle. That said, great video, I love how you explain everything in such detail.

Holy fuzzy he uploaded

To be honest, I'm not a fan of the Zelda series. But Ceave makes his videos so well that I can enjoy absolutely anything and everything he makes!

Thank you SO much for subtitles. Not only are they useful for people who are hard of hearing, but they're useful for people like me who have audio processing issues and can struggle a lot based on how fast or slow a person is talking. I also have a hard time when hearing certain accents for a while until I get used to it, and the subtitles meant I never had to back up and listen again.

I really like your video style when it comes to layout You first explain something then give it a rating then you give something a rating and explain it and it always keeps me entertained through out the whole video

I'm disagreeing a lot about the Forest Temple. Its unique ability to lost and disturb you combined with this uneasy OST really made it an unforgivable experience and for good reason. With Shadow Temple it's my favorite.

3:00 Never noticed that that one falling platform breaks into a bunch of smaller versions of itself

Just for hahas how many fuzzies would you give Gerudos Training Grounds and Ganon’s Tower?! 👀

Honestly really enjoy you branching out a bit, you're way of making vids really lends itself to much more than mario nowadays! Keep it up!

I’m so glad I got to play this game for the first time over Christmas break

After thinking a bit about Dodongo's Cavern, Link went out of his way for that dungeon. The Gorons problem was that they couldn't get in, Link destroyed the boulder than randomly decided to kill some dodongos.

Inside the Deku Tree - 4/5 Dodongo’s Cavern - 4/5 Jabu Jabu’s Belly - 3/5 Forest Temple - 5/5 Fire Temple - 3/5 Water Temple - 4/5 Shadow Temple - 4/5 Spirit Temple - 4/5 Ganon’s Castle - 3/5

I had to search up how to light the dodongo’s eyes because that clue didn’t give me an idea how to make it “see red”

Last time i was this early, we only had a hand reveal.

You suddenly just gave me a ton more respect for the child dungeons

This is like a poetry explication . . . You would never come up with this on you own, but as soon as you hear it you can’t help but agree.

I feel like the difficulty and tediousness of the water temple makes it one of the most enjoyable dungeons for me in adulthood- the water temple is where a lot of my childhood playthroughs ended, and the feeling you get once you finally beat it and get through it is really gratifying. On top of that the temple is beautiful and the music is as well, which makes the brain numbing level design far more tolerable for 4 hours. Everyone has their own tastes though. Love the video! 🙏🏻

Also, looks like you managed to get a restock of Fuzzies finally.

“Let’s do this” is a phrase that leads to very exciting RU-vid videos

Great thematic video. So happy that we agree about the Shadow Temple and Water Temple.

God I got a lot of genuine laughs out of this video, I love your mario stuff but touching onto my beloved Princess Hyrule stories and worlds with your sense of humor and insight is just wonderful ^_^

Ceave has the face of a hacker in an action movie ngl

15:10 Did he just... Say "she is my waifu", WITHOUT making it sound like he's a weeb??? How??

I really liked watching this video, I’d love to see more like it in the future from you ceave, I love your content and good job on the video

The fact that Ceave can make me enjoy a Zelda video despite me not caring at all about Zelda just shows how he is the ABsolute best Nintedo RU-vid in my humble, yet objective opinion. Absolutely amazing

Never played this game before but I would like to! Hopefully they remake it for Zelda 35th.

The intro thing is always a fun teaser for the video. Like "ooh, what does Braid have to do with OoT dungeons?"

Incredible Ceave ! Lately your vids have been incredible

I think the reason why some people like the water temple is because it, more than any other dungeon in the game, requires the player to consider how the whole thing fits together. I feel like with a lot of the dungeons in OoT, the player can kinda get away with just thinking about the current room, solving it, and moving on-with some exceptions like the Forest Temple and Jabu Jabu. With the water temple, the player needs to think of the dungeon as a real, 3D space where your actions in one area can effect other areas. You’re always making conscious decisions about what your next step should be.

Ceave: I'll never make that mistake again Also Ceave: Princess Hyrule, Princess Shieka Fans: *Pikachu Face*

Just wanted to say that the Water Temple is better in the 3DS remake, not only sheikah stones are a thing, but the iron boots are now a wearable item that makes quicker the time to beat it. And thus, the 3DS version is the best way to play the game.

I admit, I forgot what we were talking about when you started talking about game breaks, great points as always Ceave, keep up the good work

It's funny, I specifically remember some people talking about how when they were young, that dodongo cavern hint didn't help them. Either then ran past the hint, or they didn't see the skill beneath them. One then tried to make the little dodongos knock down walls, another tried to throw bombs at the skull from below before figuring it out. So yes, its pretty easy to most and giving the solution ahead of time. But second dungeon and potentially a bit of a "pay attention to surroundings" reminder.

Ceave: we need to memorize the correct combination Master mode: ...

Ok but like holy fuzzy he has the most soothing voice to listen to

As someone that plays Ocarina of Time randomized (can heavily recommend it for many reason), I would like to elevate Dodongo's Cavern a bit. Randomized, you can often do Dodongo's cavern as an adult. If you ever went back to Dodongo's cavern as an adult you'd be surprised to see how well adapted the dungeon seems to be for adult link. Because you can climb higher, a lot of stuff that doesn't have treasure chests can be skipped. Some interesting skips are present perfectly suited for adult link as well. In fact, I can recommend playing the randomizer in general. Not just to keep the game fresh, but also to see how uniquely wonderfully designed this game seems to be for just such a thing.

the 2 fuzzies for forest temple hurt my soul. the creepy mysterious atmosphere and the music, along with a bunch of creepy dead ghosts, spiders and shit, make it for me one of the most memorable places in the game. This is what getting lost in a dark cursed forest should feel like.

Ceave gaming: in the last video i called link zelda also Ceave gaming: *calls zedla hyrule*

That moment you have exactly 30 minutes to wait and Ceave posts a 34 minutes video: * Imagine Pacha doing the meme thing *

The point about the Forest Temple key was super interesting to me. I played Ocarina of Time when I was very young, to the point where I can't remember what it was like to play for the first time. It feels like I've always known about the key in the entrance room. So I would never have stopped to think about whether that was a well-designed puzzle for first-time players. It's just interesting to watch a video breaking down something from a fresh perspective that I can't really take anymore.

Awesome Video Bro!!