How Speedrunners Beat the Brawl Ocarina of Time Demo 

What about Super Mario 64?

@@reesecates8620OOT is way more broken the mario 64.

@@willboyheroify Three letters. B, L, and J.

@@reesecates8620 3 letters SRM .

I think OOT and Super Mario 64 can stand side by side as the most broken game

Game is small as hell (25ish MB if memory serves), way easier to just put a 5 minute limit on top a set save file than alter the source code (which they probably don't even have any more) to make an actual demo

You would be surprised that learn they might have still have it, since they commented very comfortably about answering the questions about the game in the interview with them talking about a possible online subscription service. Also surprisingly they sold the source of the 5 minute demo of the game online, which is apparently just a regular game with specialized coding on the cartridge to hook up to the Brawl demo version once played at all. They also made a bonus disc containing the game for Nintendo GameCube, which means that they at least had the source code then to make it. The back story behind the creation of the game is very deep and personal to them as well. They explained further in a real interview that took place around 1999, if I am recalling correctly. They have conducted a lot of interviews likely without alerting the public that they have even done them. One of them in particular was conducted right before going to E3 for that particular year. A completely different Nintendo rep when being interviewed about a completely different subjecf matter said at the end of the interview that he hoped that the interview could be found later to be shared with permission granted in the interview to be found if possible given the amount of potential interviews that will eventually be done by the company as a whole. They really know how to talk comfortably and professionally when it comes to topics of discussion, though they also like to joke around to at times as well; even the jokes are professionally thought out knowing that they will be typed up to be viewed at later. They have at least 20 years of doing interviews maybe under their belt, and are perfectly open to talk about any topic that is on their mind, as long it follows the rules protocols.

It's because the demos were supposed to be there to entice you to buy the games from the Shop Channel so you could play the whole game. They probably never expected that people would find all these crazy glitches and implement them into this five minute demo to be able to beat the game within it.

Yeah, I did some testing and the game can fit over 250 ocarina of times on the game!

Because it's a lot easier to stick the ROM (only 32MB) on there than try and trim it off for no reason which may just end up breaking the game completely.

That would be cool in its own right, though.

@@ThatguycalledJoe true

I think the any% run is only about 15 minutes

@@osets2117 ...any% is less than 7 minutes now.

I might be wrong at this point but I think the way people found how the timer works there's no real way to stop it or pause it because nintendo made damn fucking sure it works on a whole other out-of-bounds system, so you can buy the same game for the 5th time ^^

This is exactly the moment I started wondering: "am I the fish? am I being manipulated? are they executing arbitrary code TO MY BRAIN?"

yeah wtf lol

I found a new phrase to confuse FF8 fans with yes!

Not really

indeed lmao@@dn8750

I REMEMBER CHARLIE MURDER! and I didn't know that its demo's end screen was tied to a specific move. I guess they should've thought that one through a little harder?

yo, shoutout to Charlie Murder, favorite game of all time i legit didnt know about that demo trick, thats rad, thanks for sharing!

Charlie murder was so good I beat the game twice with my Dad

that must be intentional, giving you the chance to play the game on one sitting if you found it out. Like a little secret between the devs and you

And then pizza hut deletes everything

This comment killed me. Death by laughter.

It's a very impressive accomplishment. To this day, I can't figure out how the heck to drop a fish.

CinemaSins: roll credits!! *DING 9000 sins*

on the ground, no less@@SpammingY-pp2ru

​@@RachelRichards are you a ghost making this reply!?

XD

Damn snipe someone else’s comment from the video just watch …. Lol

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@@darkree6454 Already commented.

@@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris @darkree64 Already commented.

Both use the same skillsets but different software, different motives and objectives.

at some level of speedrunning the two disciplines become indistinguishable. stale reference manipulation is literally another name for use after free.

Walk this way

The ratio is similar to that of femboy unix users to other unix users.

All cruisers, fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides!

More like: If you backflip while scooping with the bottle, while pulling out the ocarina and falling in the teleport after the first boss, you teleport the the end game credits.

Yoshi island be like: do a dance and win

Honestly. Just Zelda speedruns in general seem to break the game. They are so precisely stupid that no person will ever actually learn they can do it without the internet. Especially the 17 hour low% run of TP.

paper mario speedruns be like: yo, so... hear me out... you boot up ocarina of time

you can do this kinda stuff in fallout 4 as well, punch warping.

well only brawl’s oot demo but yeah

🤓

Oz

This kinda just illustrates how dumb the whole meme format always was, cause what, is the person actively playing Brawl when the shithead doctor decides to give their comedically late bad news?

​@@ElFreakinCid i think you're reading into this too much

Lol yeah “crazy they fit a 25mb into a 8.6gb disc” yeah how crazy…

@@lacasadelvideojuego3880 it's less of "wow i cant believe that the 25mb game file is in an 8.6gb disc" and more of a "this is a _demo_ for a game, why is the entire game here and not just a small segment of it"

@@smolbrendan5978 because thatd be a lot more work to strip out things then youd think

@@jh302 yeah, pretty sure the only thing done was just give the rom a time limit

@@jomaq9233 not even the rom the emulator itself has the time limit

The snow is snowier than before?

Pointer manipulation is pretty wild. It's why we have Java now, Java handles pointers for you so that stuff like this is a lot less likely to happen.

It just (barely) works!

@@CommonApathy barely any games use Java nowadays due to it being really slow. Most games use C#, or C++ on older consoles.

DELICIOUS SPAGHETTI

In game dev terms it means not rendered, still in memory but not visible cause its behind a wall or behind the player

I have a little knowledge of code and is still hard to fully understand it, but the key thing is that they take in game data and put them in unintended places, allowing this an many others exploits

When you’re late to class, but the exam already began:

@@el_mr6439 that seems to be the case with most of the more absurd speedruns... basically forcing the game to do what you want to achieve maximum fast

u mean no life whit a speedrunners :hallenge Accepted that can be more accurate

yes, these fuckers are crazy.

So basically, magic is using a loophole in reality's coding.

@@razi_man Exactly, and mages spend their lives glitch-hunting. But unlike speedrunners, they're all cagey and mystical about it.... Or they try to explain it and other people just don't get it... 'cause what the hell is "Memory?"

@@MyriadSkies it's just that we don't understand them

@@isabellajemica Exactly!

So magic is literally just glitching reality out? Noted.

I first played the 1.0 version of the game in 2008/9 on my dad’s old N64. I had trouble with it, taking nearly half a year to beat it, but when I finally did it was one of the best memories from my childhood. Even though I needed help in some parts (my mum beat Ganon tennis for me) it was and still is one of my favourite games of all time. I was too scared to play Majora’s Mask as a kid, so it took until I was 13 to finally beat it on the 3DS. Truly an amazing series of games.

Now try Majora's Mask.

You bought one of the greatest games ever and didn’t play it for 21 years?

No I didn’t, it came with a package of games, when I bought my N64, at the time I was 19 and wasn’t even into Zelda, I didn’t even play it on the NES, but my siblings liked it and they played it, and then throughout my university and early career years, I stopped console gaming altogether. It wasn’t until a few years ago that I pulled out my consoles out of storage, and started wanting to try all these games that I owned. I finished a LTTP on the SNES, and then it was time for OoT. They became two of my favourite games of all time. I ended up buying Zelda 1 & 2 on the NES as well… currently playing Breath of the wild…

Great job. It's an awesome game. I stopped playing a few years ago when my joystick was so spent I couldn't beat dampe. I just got a new controller but not sure if I'm ready to ruin it so soon.

it's like gibberish

The backwards long jump teleport in Mario 64 uses multiverse theory to fold space, sort of like the Michael Crichton novel Timeline used for time travel.

Co efficient of friction

@@The_Kiosk??? PUs are not "multiverse theory" it's just overflow

Welcome

suavemente

That would be incredible, perhaps he could do that as an outtake once he finishes all the videos for OoT?

@@SoyNafa suavemente.

I'd fucking love to see that. And right before Link lands the final blow on Ganon, the little "You're Trial Timer is up" message pops up and goes to the video credits.

@@ScootsLounge fucking brilliant no joke haha i would laugh when i see it even knowing this twist

A Victorian child? This decimated *me*

I too, am a aprecciator of ass

I don’t get

@@wolfetteplays8894 exactly. It’s so complicated that a kid from the past would just lose their mind

Do you mind sharing a full list? I absolutely need to decimate some Victorian children.

I love that the whole thing was basically a world class One Guy derail.

Brawl came out in 08 I think, not 98, so it's a 15 year old game, not 25.

clearly taking about oot there

@@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 Wording is important. It sounds like they're talking about OoT since it's almost 25 years old, but the teleportation they're referencing took place in a 15-ish year old OoT demo, not the actual game. So, are they talking about a 25 year old game or a 15 year old demo of a 25 year old game?

​@ThornHailsnap srm absolutely happens in oot, the video states that's where the idea to use it for the demo came from

@@BionicalSoul I'm not denying it happens in OoT, I'm saying the phrasing of Carnage_808's comment made what they were trying to say less clear than it could have been.

Potentially yeah

They do. Ign's speedrun dev commentaries are full of "I had no idea you could do that"

A dev: we linked the orbit of the moon to the display on the clock so that the moon travels across the sky as time passes at night. Speed runner: anyway, the way that this is calculated actually means that by hitting clocks under a full moon wearing love heart underpants and a sparkly tiara while backflipping, you can kill the final boss.

Usually not. Yeah the runners find things the dev don’t but the devs know a bunch of stuff speed runners don’t

@@marcar9marcar972 depends on the game, oot has been almost entirely decompiled. So yea we basically have the code.

Is this closer to the Matrix, or Inception?

You know, taking the Lord’s name in vain is one of the ten commandments that will get you raped by the devil for all of time?

@@iameternalsunshine oh my god, really?

@@iameternalsunshine it's not rape if I consent!

@@iameternalsunshine Jesus christ that's horrible like oh lord that's bad oh my God

They’re just VC ROMs, there was no point in creating special demo ROMs for Brawl. Metal Gear Solid 4’s demo was made especially, prior to the game’s release.

It seems like magic, because I did not understand any of the concepts this guy tried to explain

No you didn't.

nope

@@giantturd5157 what?

@@chimmychuck yes

Nice

@hugo 4363 watch the video

Genius comment.

This might be the funniest thing I have ever read in a RU-vid comment. Kudos sir, holy shit lol

The prophecy has been fufilled.

Hey, might I suggest watching the a speedrun video titled "Paper Mario by JCog in 26:12 - Summer Games Done Quick 2021 Online"? I think it's a contender, though your mileage may vary.

same

Right

‘Cept this time they know what 5 minutes is this time

Adult Link: *Master sword goes Super Sayian*

Goku: Question. Do you have a watch? Do you know what a minute is?

@@Bob-wr4vg This guy gets it.

@@Bob-wr4vg I’ve always wondered this, since Frieza was an alien, how and why would he use Earth’s standard of time? Maybe five minutes wherever he comes from really was several episodes long.

I'm pretty sure you can also beat the Kirby's Adventure demo in Brawl, but not Mario World

can also beat the Majora's Mask preview demo, the demo ends once you get the remains, but there is a glitch to get out of the cutscene, getting the remains without getting booted out. You also start with Oath to Order on most demo selections, and coupled with bombs and hookshot, just go to the 4 temples and beat them fast as possible, do the glitch 4 times, then go to majora. The game crashes just before the "Dawn of a New Day" so you can't see credits. This is because the game tries to save, but you are not on a save file.

Same with "fish overlay"

I did not believe this comment that those words would be said completely unironically when they came up in the video, but by Jove they were!

my new race horse's name

Run oot….. run oot!…. RUN OOT!!!!

Bro all this time speedrunning and you won't do OOT. Too hard for you? I bet you won't run Ganonless.

Your so sick...better wear a mask

Hi

why are you on every video i watch

Because it's a demo of the game on another game

@@ToastGreeting Le smart man

🤣

I hate that I don't even follow speedrunning very well and understood way more of this than I expected. The jargon has claimed me

I like to imagine at least one person did a wrong warp or something like that completely by accident at some point tho

back then we found almost all tricks through trial and error, and nowadays debugging code, looking at the games code.

And then there was..... Mario doing a blj into yo momma.

N64 games are extremely light, besides, it's a lot easier to implement a timer on the emulator than modifying the game's source code

did a whole dungeon in 5 min not bad though!

"hey I thought this was the no-savestate leaderboard?"

@@Quantris savestate: not anymore 😎

If you lie to them is that savestate manipulation?

@@resdamalos there are so many levels to this

Apparently she diminutises it as "Savey" which I just find adorable

Perhaps they caught on to the fact people could do stuff like this and decided to shit all over their fun

​@@Helios2737this happened years after ultimates release

They didn't because you can't buy retro games on the virtual console on switch. No pint in putting out a demo when they want you to buy nintendo online

but can you run doom on the OOT brawl demo?

@@adamzero_ To add to yours: "But can it run Crysis?"

@@adamzero_ Pretty sure you can; use the custom brawl stages to inject foreign data from the SD card to the wii, so you should be able to ACE and eventually load DOSBox Wii with DOOM!

Thanks dude you made me laugh

2027: We made the water temple fun in the OOT brawl demo

Same and nice Username

How would it ironically use the fish number?

@@afruit6720 by using fish number But ironically

Probably easier than attempting to crack the timer

Yeah, nowadays I haven't seen any of that, understandably, considering how crazy glitched runs can get.

@@creeperizak8971 from where it was a decade ago, It's grown in participants, but to a smaller percentage of the community. There's still multiple times the amount of glitchless new runs a year than when I was starting :)

Yeah the debate was hot especially because we didn't what was a glitch or not, like for some people it was an unintentional mechanic but then an lot of movement options aren't even intentional to begin with.

always very odd to me that debate haha

I remerber back in the day there was a Sonic speedrun and people on youtube called that guy a cheater for using glitches there was even a comment that went something like that „Why dont you use the level select code to make another fake record“

😂😂😂😂

Well, you see, it works using SRMpecter/meltdown combined with a stale avatar preimage-afterimage dereferencer, so you just need to throw a fish at a wall with a velocity of exactly 0x1337 and you've got it

LMAOOOOO

In 150 years we found a strat to actually gain time by beating the game in -0.86 seconds

There actually is a SMB3 TAS that lasts less than half a second, so who knows?

The real downfall timeline

So this is where the "Defeat" path (that leads to Link's Awakening, Zelda 1, and others) in the Zelda timeline comes from.

And Link was not able to deliver the final blow to Ganon

it's like finishing the series you wanted to watch in the week free trial

Honestly it would have taken way more time and effort to trim down to just a demo. Easier to just slap the entire file in there and call it a day. N64 ROMs are tiny, so it wouldn't make a meaningful impact on Brawl's file size.

Cringe

@@theanimatormustachegrunt3307 ratio

@@notanoobx684 raito + don't care didn't ask

@@theanimatormustachegrunt3307 no u

@@notanoobx684 no u too

how far did you get lol

@@circle7489 probably 5 minutes

​@@circle7489 5 minutes, perhaps?

@@circle7489I’d guess 5 minutes

@@circle74895 minutes I think

Oh, I know! Half of the time I spend in GC AC is playing NES Pinball

I know some of the MGS games have fully playable versions of the older games in the franchise, mostly for the sake of either being there for story relevance reasons, or just so that said game within a game actually has a port to the newer platforms.

Only one I can think of is Doom Eternal having Doom 1 & 2 able to be played. And if you're on PC you can just have the files for them to take

What's the limit for supertroid?

@@mr.mothly 5 minutes only

@@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit pretty reasonable

@@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit I looked it up and the TAS glitched record was around six minutes

@@Mima_the_vengeful_spirit It was 3 minutes in Brawl. There’s no way you can beat the game that fast. That said, Super Mario World is perfectly doable. You get two minutes, and the world record for 0 exit is 41.022 seconds.

have you seen oot triforce%?

@@LexFerraro never lol

@@tired-musubi look it up my man, it’s mind blowing

Tldr

reading this paragraph and trying to make sense of it gave me a headache [EDIT: this comment was made before I decided to sit down and watch this video 😵]

Brain hurt

Least complex speedrun strat

@@__Theta__ missile moves or something

I don't think this would work for a marathon setting, the fact that you need to do it near-perfect or else you're forced to reset is a pretty big deal-breaker

Wtf is a GDQ?

​@@derpyface3602you're watching a speedrun video and you don't know what GDQ is? Oh you poor thing

That's probably possible, people have already hacked Brawl itself and homebrewed their Wiis for a long time by making the stage builder read and execute files from their SD card. Though at that point, if you can just set up the code on an SD card that type of run would lose its novelty

there's definitely a gecko os code out there that disables the time limit for all of the demos. though at that point ya might as well just get the game running on a n64 emulator on the wii

“SSBB OoT 100% speedrun”

It'd be a nice clap back for trying so hard to shut down emulation and even now bringing us overpriced low quality ports

@@Jack_Woods I can understand why they shut it down so hard. When people are “emulating” new switch games the day they come out or even before they come out like with Dread, I can see why Nintendo gets antsy

That art is just a Picasso

Link literally forgot his assignment and made it 5 minutes before class

Why are there skullkids in Oot

i LOLd