Other topics include I'm "giving Ricegum legitimacy as a real musician" and "everyone forgets the bad music of previous decades." My social media: Twitter: / theneedledrop Instagram: @afantano FB: / theneedledrop
This whole "validating youtubers as real musicians" is gatekeeping to the max. They are real musicians because they make music. Period. Their music sucks. Bad. But that makes them bad musicians, not fake musicians.
Nathan F That, and i also feel that calling them bad musicians is worse than calling them not musicians. Instead if arguing whether or not they make music, it hits harder to say 'you tried, and you're really shit at it' I feel. Like, money can buy you the producers and tech, but it won't buy you talent.
@@paigeconnelly4244 I think the argument is that they didn't try. But I mean, calling them "bad musicians" or calling them "fake musicians", either way is an insult so in the end does it really matter?
Rock isnt dead, it just isnt mainstream anymore. Which is fine, if Phish can sell out 13 nights at the Madison Square Garden; I think rock will be just fine.
Phish concerts are not about the music at all. And anyone that tells you otherwise is lying, or has convinced themselves otherwise.If everyone at the concert sobered up, they would realize they have been listening to a slightly above sub par jam band, often playing with out of tune guitars.
i know this comment chain is a joke and i shouldn't be taking this seriously but that's actually so fucking true. i can go and rewatch Anthony's meme review and laugh every time but when i see fucking pewdiepie talk about MEMES....oof that actually physically hurts. everything he does is so forced, he tries way too hard to be ironic but he doesn't realize he's a RU-vidr with 61 million subscribers talking about memes. pewdiepies first meme review was kinda funny, i thought it was a little parody of Anthony's meme reviews but no he kept going and that's the worst thing that happened on RU-vid. sorry i just had to let it out somewhere. i love Felix but holy shit...
It's totally fine to enjoy looking through rose-tinted glasses at whatever your growing-up era of music was, so long as you don't convince yourself that you're not doing that.
Oh snap you actually answered my comment DAMN!!! But I actually do agree with what you said about Boarding House Reach. Yeah it's not as experimental as the mentioned Trout Mask Replica, but it is still great that Jack White tackled a different take on rock music that sounds fresh and daring but also accessible too. A part of me is peeved that people are writing this album off because it is too weird when there is weirder shit out there, but at the same time it is great that someone at Jack White's level can release a no-holds-bar album that reached Number 1 on the Album Charts. In retrospect I should have framed my Tweet better, but I am glad Senpai Melon noticed me ^3^
The fact you brought up the most experimental and weird as hell album in TMR where the artist was deliberately making the music sound off, to evidence the fact that jack white isn't experimental shows you're just being pretentious as fuck lol
Yea man, I personally found the opening of the album like the first 10 tracks were incredible, toward the tail end they could've cut a few. Compared to their last studio effort however it's miles ahead. Definitely a return to form for the Zombies.
0:20 Jack White isn't experimental 2:42 By criticising Ricegum, you're calling him a real musician 3:30 Guitar driven rock is dead but people are bringing it back 5:11 AC/DC made two songs and endless variations from those 5:48 Ancient hot take (oooh) 6:05 The extreme metal genre became a pissing contest 7:45 Since I Left You is the greatest dance album of all time 7:55 Earlier eras had bad bands too
Just got into Jack White recently with Boarding House Reach. Ive always liked the White Stripes but never really dove in. Boarding House Reach is very experimental and one of the best produced albums I’ve heard in a long time. He definitely didn’t sound like he was going for something like a Trout Mask Replica, more like an experimental twist on multiple genres of rock
I appreciate you answering our hot take on the Extreme Metal scene. Everything you’ve said, I do understand and largely agree with. However, I don’t think you really addressed the point of Extreme Metal peaking in the 00’s as much you addressed the “pissing contest” part of it. But whatever, it’s cool we got featured!
I think you should expand on how you think extreme metal peaked in the early 00’s. My understanding is that - thrash metal peaked in the mid-late ‘80’s (obvious big 4) - death metal peaked in the late 80’s-early 90’s (Death, Bolt Thrower, Morbid Angel) - black metal peaked in the mid 90’s (Mayhem, Darkthrone, Emperor) All the 2000’s really peaked for was metalcore and deathcore. As a follow up, which bands do you think make the genre a pissing contest? Frankly, Fantano does not listen to much metal so he wasn’t equipped to offer a rebuttal (and maybe I’m not either). Some of the most iconic extreme metal albums of the last few years have been from bands like Power Trip, Archspire, Skeletonwitch, Nile, Obscura, Bell Witch, Vektor, and Chthe’ilist - none of these bands sound AT ALL like they are in competition with each other, as their music is as eclectic and varied as their influences. I think maybe shit extreme metal bands try to turn brutality to 11 to make up for poor songwriting, but I am finding little evidence to support your claim.
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What I've noticed is that a lot of people are suggesting that the peak of a genre has to do with the musical boundaries being pushed or the sheer volume of bands that are entering a particular scene. That's really not how I see it at all. To me, the peak of a genre is the point at which is has the highest influence on the mainstream culture as a whole. And quite noticeably, this occurred in the early to mid 00's when "brutality" was most widely considered to be 'cool' in the mainstream. The reason for this was because the parents who grew up as flower children of the 60's and 70's now had teenagers in the 00's who were rebelling against the hippie culture of their parents, thus giving power to the brutal culture. This gave a lot of Extreme Metal bands a great platform, making it the most popular and profitable time period to be in an band like that. This wasn't just evident with the quality of the music coming out at the time or the number of bands playing that music either. This could be observed in the sheer amount of metal bands that were adopting elements of the genre into their music, whether they were Extreme Metal or not. Blast beats, death growls, and violent gory lyrics were showing up in Alternative Metal, Industrial Metal, and even Nu Metal records. This doesn't even stop at music either. Websites like Newgrounds were heavily being influenced by this trend as well, and ultra violent video games like Diablo II and Gears of War were coming out right in the thick of it as well. As for the pissing contest part, that's mostly something that we as a band notice happening more on a local and low profile level. The more established acts that started after the peak more often than not have much more going on for them than being edgier than your favorite brutal band. We've seen a lot of musicians in our scene especially who get fired from their band or leave their last band simply because it "wasn't metal enough" for them, and that's the point at which it becomes a pissing contest.
I absolutely agree with you man, you are so on the point and you get what jack white is trying to do. Your review on Boarding reach house was good, God it's like some people hate him just because he keeps making music after the white stripes. That's actually a good thing that he never stopped, he obviously loves what he is doing and is one the most prolific and legit, respect worthy artists of our days . I mean an unbelievable guitarist, drummer, vocalist, pianist ,producer etc
LET'S ARGUE: The Mothers of Invention's "We're Only in it for the Money" represents the most viciously hilarious skewering of American culture ever recorded. A psychedelic, dystopian melange of Sgt. Peppers, Franz Kafka, depraved munchkin ruminations, rude noises and the vengeful ghost of Edgar Varese, this under-appreciated album spares no one from its bile whilst exposing the many contradictions, hypocrisies, brutalities and the existential emptiness that many of us suspect lurk within the dark heart of the American Dream. The album cover and accompanying liner notes are in and of themselves a work of art, featuring a cameo by Jimi Hendrix in a pink feather boa. Though something of an artifact of its time, the themes explored by Frank Zappa and company on this album are still frighteningly relevant today. I believe that every child of elementary school age should be strapped into a chair and forced to listen to this album as images of the Charlottesville Riots are flashed rapidly in front of their eyes. It would be for their own good.
Was the Infant Annihilator Logo in the background while talking about extreme metal meant to give them as an example for bands that are just meant to out-heavy other bands? because then i`ll have to disagree, i think Infant Annihilators music gives off such a unique vibe thats just complimented by how comically fast and brutal they are trying to be
yeah, to be fair he has a really widespread taste and its kinda hard to keep up with anything. i too think there are too many tech death/brutal death songs that you just listen to and think "ok cool" and then forget about them later as they have nothing to set them aside from the others, but its really not as drastic as he makes it seem
He obviously doesn't keep up with the extreme metal scene but he also omits projects he even reviewed, maybe tech death is a wank fest but what about the dissonant stuff done by the likes of Ulcerate and Portal(he reviewed this earlier this year), the coming of new bands doing a melodic style of funeral doom, all the directionas atmo-black has taken, more atmospheric aproaches to death metal (Desolate Shrine), bands like Vektor and Vhöl pushing thrash forward after 30 years of stagnation. I would go as far as saying that the healthiest music scene in terms of innovation and musical directions right now apart from hip hop is that of extreme metal.
Gabriel Pérez i agree 100% with you. Also with djent and deathcore 2 pretty heavy subgenres have entered the mainstream, deathcore itself is having a revolution since suicide silence and bmth kind of died out and its moving away from its 'screamo' image and is rather oriented at death metal today.
Deathcore ATM has matured a lot, and increased it self awareness since the first wave (the awful cringy one) kind of died, right now we have bands like Thy Art is Murtder, Shadow of Intent, Fit for an Autopsy or even Lorna Shore doing great fun music.
Rock and metal bands are STILL using a real gear in production and for recording. Even including me, as a "bedroom guitarist". Most of us still loves feeling of an real tube amp, real guitar effects on pedalboard, real recording via SM57 for example. Of course we use DAW softwares for recording like Cubase or Pro Tools, but NOT to simulate sounds of real things. Axe FX, Kempers etc., they are great for touring bands, but they are still using real things in studio. Nothing compares to feel of a real warm tube amp. Is more about passion, agression that we want to see from bands. Real gear will never dies. :)
cédric lefrançois well, the "real tube amp sound" is also about the cabinet speakers pushing air in a room, and IRs don't really capture that very well either and I'm assuming you know what an IR is
cédric lefrançois and boosting is probably not as useful as saturation when we are talking about amp sims vs real amps not to mention, real amps feel different from digital amps too because circuitry emulation is very good but it's not perfect. I wholeheartedly believe that real amps are better, and I've been using exclusively digital amps for the last 3 years due to financial constraints, so I'm not just some old fuck that hates technology either.
cédric lefrançois it's not "digital emulating" tube warmth just because you boosted with an EQ at a certain frequency. you might even end up making the tone muddier since 300-600hz is where a lot of that disgusting mud has to be cut out. and strangely enough, I think that's because traditional guitar technology is imperfect. my god those Tosin Abasi Fishman Fluences sound so god damn good lmao.
Is something not experimental because it stands in relation to an extremely experimental work like Captain Beefheart? I appreciate the view that "Boarding House Reach" is an example of a mainstream artist pushing what guitar driven rock can be. But I also think it's important to view the album and work contextually. The greatness of "Boarding House Reach" is not experimentation for experimentation's sake per se. But, in the past White only worked with the bare minimum and antiquated technology. Now-- White has sort of abandoned his former ethos and embraced using whatever he could to make this album. This is a person who previously only wanted to work with real musicians at one point / no samples. The work is contextually experimental and novel because it emerged into new territory, especially for White as an individual artist. One sign of this is how intensely people are responding to this album, and how divisive it is. I attended White's concert in Toronto where he promoted "Boarding House Reach," and he even brought new things into that concert as well. ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ps46tM4k39Y.html for a review from myself if anyone is so interested.)
I'm so glad when Anthony started singing AC/DC he made two High Voltage-era references. That's still my favorite record of theirs. It's so fun and catchy.
The music that I liked as a kid is better than the music that is popular now and that's the way it will always be no amount of rational perspective on time and aging will change my tiny mind.
SSJ5 Gogeta Aww you tell yourself that while there's pockets that are better than it's ever been. There was straight bullshit that existed before as well. "It's been proven" 😂😂😂
The last one can be seen even today. Songs like Bobby's Hot Nigga is being considered a classic, but back when it released it was hated. In ten years things like 6ix9ine and Lil Uzi will be viewed as novelty and fun acts, saying that they're better than what they will have then.
Just go read the comment section on Silento's Watch me to notice how stupid people are. 3 years ago people hated him, now they're saying how that was the last good music era.
6:58 ok but the singer for infant annihilator is unironically an amazingly talented vocalist he can do like 7 different vocal styles pervectly in the space of 1 breakdown
My favorite music to come out of the 2000's is probably the Alt-Rock acts that were all produced by Danger Mouse. Such as The Black Keys, Gorillaz, Switchfoot, The White Stripes, ect. But than also Protest The Hero and The Dillenger Escape Plan because they rock.
Producing music that is repetitive and formulaic is going to be the death of rock and roll. rock and roll at its core is SCREWING AROUND and Trying out new sounds, textures and emotions. Lack of creativity is a disease on all music right now.
I bet everyone who claims it's dead or smthng like that judges only by the mainstream names, just because they gain more media exposure, so they are always on the horizon, no need for bothering yourself to spend your time and search for new. Or they think that popularity speaks for quality and the state of the whole genre. Well, it may break some hearts, but popularity means no shit, especially nowadays, when the mass culture is sick with a lack of ideas. It's such a lame way to judge things, especially for one of the top reviewers.
As someone who really wants to get into sampling and instrumental music, at some point it would be a dream come true to have you review and assess the work for feedback. Just saying. Now back to catching up on music lol
I thought the album was pretty experimental compared to some old White Stripes stuff, it actually reminded me a lot of Odelay by Beck and maybe some Mellow Gold vibes but with that Jack White attitude
LET'S ARGUE: Neck Deep and all these pop punk/emo revival bands are the worst fucking thing to happen to rock since Limp Bizkit. Jack White's album is great because it shows that you can be commercially viable without being either the cancerous blandness of Imagine Dragons or the retrospective circlejerk that is emo revival. He showed that we aren't at a dead end in rock music.
cowscowscows10 for arguments sake though, Jack White is always going to be marketable even when he's experimental because he had so much success preceding him. Six albums with the white stripes, hit singles with the raconteurs, and two less experimental and commercially successful solo albums, did a james bond song, headlined numerous festivals, owns one of the biggest indie record labels in the world...If BHR was his first album it wouldn't be anywhere near as marketable.
Jonathan Tait that's a fair argument, and there's definitely something to be said for his reputation, but you can only be so experimental and have any success when you don't have the resources or reputation of an A-lister like himself, so I like that he's remembering to use his success in a progressive way to create a platform for more innovation.
+cowscowscows10 Like he said Jack White is pretty much riding on his own fame. The scene is far from dead, it's just not the mainstream just isn't looking rock and metal anymore. It's all about music to dance to with a few meaningful songs here and there. Take Nothing More example, they came into the scene with a fresh and unique sound and have been climbing ladder ever since. Just on their second album and they already touring with the big rock bands. Another great band on the metal side is Avatar, they brought in their own unique and experimental sound and unique stage persona that has gained them a good bit of success into the more mainstream side of metal.
