Lets Get Real: Analyzing Expectations of NBA Greats 

ESPECIALLY at just the age of 29.

very true and he do it with crazy ass stat line

100%, Jokic gave his team a good chance to beat Minnesota, where many critics said Nuggets are going to be swept by them. He took the series to a Game 7. That's MVP.

His teammates dropped the ball, his coach got sloppy not adjusting to the wolves. He has to hold the other guys accountable for sloppy play in the series.

​@@skap_attackthank you again honorary Serbian brother. Thank you for keeping it real. And for defending Jokić when it needs to. Every great player has his ups and down. But our guy Nikola is not blaming anyone and putting teammates or coach under the buss. He will win at least one or two.

Yeahhh, I'm not going anywhere 😉💪

They are starting to threaten with unsubscribe, they just can't swallow those facts, not even after their team won.

Your the hater

@@chakra.blurrr You're*

​@@skap_attackYou ever considered the fact that something is more impressive the *HARDER* (keyword) it is to come by? With that in mind, who gives two 💩 Jokic didn't have media selected All-Defensive / All-Star teammates during his finals run... a run that contained 3 play-in teams & a #44 win 8-seed in the NBA finals... something Giannis nor LeBron nor Mj had the privilege of facing Hes 0-6 against real competition (50+ win teams). Hes playing with statistically 1/10 greatest playoff risers in NBA history (Jamal Murray) . He has a viable double double threat that can anchor the defense (Aaron Gordon) . MPJ is 1/10 best 3pt shooters in the league... The fact of the matter is he has more than is needed to succeed in this 🧁 NoD league. Many fanboys can rest assured tho when he doesn't, you'll be there to unapologetically leak all over the floor for him 😂 Jokic fanboys = LeBron fans

Damn

Bronny should team up with Thanasis, that would be the best duo in the NBA.

Lebron is a man a better one than you 😂

Also a choke artist and a real joke.😁One of the biggest defeats in playoff history.And allowed the biggest comeback in a game 7 in history.😂

@@jessiegomez8209 lmao😭

Oh, please. Cope harder with that fairytale narrative. "Similar stories"? That's a laugh. Curry, Giannis, and Jokic had fundamentally different paths. Curry had doubters, sure, but he came from a basketball family and had a standout college career. People noticed him, trust me. As for Jokic, the narrative that everyone ignored him is revisionist history at its finest. The guy had skills that were evident to anyone with a shred of basketball insight, but keep pretending he was some undiscovered gem. And Giannis? Yes, he was raw, but anyone with eyes could see his potential. He was a freak of nature, and people knew it. So next time, try not to lump these unique talents into your convenient little box of "nobody believed in them" clichés. It's tired, and frankly, it's wrong.

​​@@KyleCox404everyone saw jokic's talent? Correct if I'm wrong, but we wasnt he drafted around the 50th pick? And take a breath, you seem kinda mad.

@@johnwayne9828 Jokic was drafted 41st, not 50th, but your point is still ridiculous. Draft position doesn't always reflect talent, especially in a league where scouts and GMs often overlook international players. Jokic's draft spot is more a testament to the NBA's flawed scouting system than to his actual ability. Just because he wasn't a lottery pick doesn't mean people didn't see his talent. Anyone with a shred of basketball insight who actually watched him play could see his potential. The draft is full of missteps and overlooked talents, and Jokic is just another example of the NBA's myopic view. So, before you start rewriting history, remember that Jokic's talent was there all along. It just took the league some time to catch up.

@@KyleCox404 😂😂😂ok👌

@@johnwayne9828 You have no argument so you just write ok. These fake NBA fans have no brains.

Game 7 of the 2010 finals is the ugliest beautiful game ever.

@Btwixed Carried late? I’d suggest you check out Kobe’s 4th quarter stats. 10 points on 4 shots. He was clearly the best player, while his teammates barely did anything, though that’s nothing new for the real King of being clutch. Carrying his team when they need it. Nice attempt at spreading misinformation though.

Now Ik you full of it’s literally the other way around and you know it y’all criticize 40 year old lebron more losing then 29 jokic in his prime off a mvp year what are we talking about

You need to understand something (not accept it but understand) for lebron james they had to lower the bar. I'll give u an example y u think the league changed the all star format (n the views n ratings have gone down to 💩 since) their "face of the league" was losing to much. Lebron is not synonymous wit winning. He's a lost more than winning especially when it matters most. Look at scoring milestones n how he lost those games.

TBH, Kobe should have never played after the 04 season. He should have been in prison.

Facts! 👏🏾💯

Praising the "loser" is kinda biased...........

​@@kryptochroniconolite7301 Is he a loser for dropping 34/19/7 or did he lose because his team just played bad outside of him and Murray? If you watch the game 7 You realise it's the team

@@kryptochroniconolite7301how is it biased???????? Is he not the most valuable player in the league bud?????? What’s biased about that????

Shai is the real MVP The nba Cheating for that Fake European to win it again and unfortunately failed to help them advertise in the playoffs 😂😂 Go Ant💙

Bingo.

Scottie wasn't actually an All Star for 2 of Jordan's 6 championships...in 1991 and 1998 MJ won without any all star on his team.

100% Jokic and Denver OWN the Lakers and Bron's legacy. When fans talk about Bron, they will always bring up Denver sweeping them, dominated 11x and knocked out of the playoffs 2x in a row.

Nash is a 2x MVP & historically wasn't 💩 compared to Bryant or Shaq. Thats all you need to know how valuable MVPs are. The criteria changes every seaso to benefit a select few... His 1st 2MVPs belonged to the winningest & highest seeded player in the league who cleared as a two-way (Giannis) & his latest belonged to the 30ppg scorer on 50%fg leading the league in stls as a no.1 seed (SGA)

A super old Lebron, Wow what an achievement...

@@vlad6331 he's only old when gets his ass beat, but when he wins on the backs of overwhelming talent, its, Bron is sooooo great in year 21!! 39 years old!! PICK ONE.

@@mattonkeyz341 39 years old lebron james congratulations

Yeah and not even Phil could smoulder the dissension on the Lakers. Kobe and Shaq were tired of each other, actually they had been for a while but it just kept getting worse. Payton was past his prime, Malone was two, but he played pretty well overall. But I think he had some late season injuries. And frankly, Larry Brown may be even a better Coach than Phil. Yes, even with him leaving jobs and hopping teams regularly, the man can coach basketball like you ever have.

It’s crazy that Ben Wallace was undrafted player 4 time allstar with 4 defensive player year awards ,one ring, a Hall of Famer and not top 75 player? That’s ridiculous.

Malone was 41 years old and injured and Payton was 37 years old and barely playing. The Lakers were a 2 man show, Kobe who was drained that season by rape allegations forcing him to travel to Denver every week between practices and games and Shaq who was lazy by then.

Lebron did this in most of his finals but he’s a bum😂 lebron a baby he yells at refs even tho Jordan dodged let’s target him because he’s better and we know it

​@@chakra.blurrrLebron is not a bum. Without all the media garbage he is still number two. People are sick of the false agenda beong spread by NBA media constantly. He is clowned because of his ego and that "Lebron needs more help" garbage.

@@indeeeed yeah I got bron one, this is just what I hear in these comments when lebron averages a 36 triple double and loses it’s his fault it’s like stfu

Those numbers you’re drooling over. Classic case of stat padding. Leading in points, rebounds, assists, and tying for steals in a losing effort is the epitome of empty stats. When it mattered most, Jokic couldn't get his team over the hump. All those gaudy numbers mean nothing if you can't translate them into wins. And let's not forget, padding stats against a tough defense might look impressive on paper, but real greatness is measured by results, not individual accolades. LeBron has proven time and again he can lead his team to victory, not just fill a stat sheet. He steps up in crucial moments, wins championships, and makes his teammates better.

@@chakra.blurrrI love it when LeBronze fans cry. Keep it up.

It’s bccs last year he Made all of them look good

That is all I've been saying! Been getting absolutely KILLED in my comments for days now for "defending Jokic". I understand you can't lose a 20 point lead in a game 7. But he has OVERACHIEVED greatly in his playoff career based on the supporting casts he has had. Literally NO ONE EVER could do what he has done with what he has had to this stage of a career.

​@skap_attack that is pure cap. This team literally won the finals last year. The cope is unreal. Super teams don't work and it's proven. They were well rounded but blew it to an up and coming team

Look Minnesota will probably win a championship, Jokic is solely responsible for taking that series to 7 games. At the end 8 points decided the winner, 8 points that supporting cast decided.

@@rrichmond14 This is not the same team the one last year why you capping? They lost bench depth and they basically rely on Jokic and Murray playing out of their minds and hoping that AG comes through and MPJ can hit a bucket. This team is good but the bench is not great in long stretches. Look how they perform when Jokic is sitting and tell me this team is the same.

Jokic is basically a very talented high school senior on a team of seventh graders. He can only pull them up so far. He can mask their deficiencies when the competition is sort of okay tenth graders, but if it's a team of other good juniors and seniors, then it's extremely difficult. He can still get them far because he's the best on the court most of the time, but he will burn out.

Yeah give him all everything anthony Davis who averaged 28-15-4 on 64% shooting against the nuggets while being the best defensive player on the court by far. They would dominate

Murray is good but so wildly inconsistent. If he had a consistent 2nd option and MPJ had a better basketball IQ, I think they'd be back to back champions. Murray popped off in the first half of game 7, then did nothing the 2nd half.

If he just had a perennial all-star, he would have 2-3 rings right now. I'm not even saying a top 30-50 ALL TIME player. I'm not saying a top 10 CURRENT players. JUST AN ALL-STAR!

​@@skap_attack they have no PG on that team , Jokic has to bring the ball up half the time. I hope all the Murray overrating stops now , he is a Monta Ellis tier player.

He did afainst the raptors?

​@@Refreshment01 That was only the second round

@@joshuawhite4330 I stant corrected. It was semifinals. Thank you.

This years MVP didn’t go to the WCF

@@TheCosmosAwaits yeah none of the 5 previous CHAMPIONS have either, the point is embiid has NEVER gone to a conference finals, not just this year.

Yeah, many people don't seem to care about context in this era.

They did continue to get All-Star selections into the 2010s. Yes they weren't at their peak, but they weren't completely out of their primes either. And it was a weak East they played in. Injuries kept them from competing in 2009 and 2011 so 2012 really was their last hurrah and that's when the talent and hunger of Miami's Big 3 surpassed theirs.

We won that with doc rivers as a coach that’s worth 5 rings but people aren’t ready to say it

Yes it is a cheap ring imo. Here's why; In 2008 those guys were still in their primes. Sure, it was the "downside" of their primes...But they were all still close to their primes at that particular point in time. The big 3 were all in their EARLY 30s. Pierce was 30. Garnett 31 and Ray Allen 32. So it doesn't matter if they got old and injury prone AFTER 2008 because we aren't talking about "after". We're talking about 2008 in particular. And that season they were all early 30s, and still at or near the peak of their powers. They absolutely destroyed the NBA that season from start to finish. For me this team is a big reason why the league started going downhill with the "big 3" "super team" era that quickly followed. The 2008 Celtics were the first to do it and set the tone. Before that teams would have 1 big star surrounded by role guys, or 2 big stars maximum....Celtics were the first to put THREE big stars together. At least in the more modern era. People can argue that the 2004 Lakers did it first, but it wasn't really the same thing since Malone and Payton were clearly shadows of what they were in their primes. Not to mention the whole Kobe/Colorado fiasco happened. And the Houston Rockets in 1998/1999 with Olajuwon, Barkley and Pippen were on their last legs...Especially Olajuwon and Barkley. So the 2008 Celtics to me were the first. Not to mention Olajuwon already won titles with Houston, as did Kobe and Shaq with the Lakers. Where as NONE of the Celtic's big 3 had won a title before and they joined forces because the window was closing and they knew they weren't going to win unless they stacked the odds in their favor. Their success in 2008 ultimately set the tone for what the Heat did shortly after with Lebron, Wade and Bosh. Then KD going to GS, Lebron going back to Cleveland to team up with Irving and Love and even what the Nets tried to do (but failed). So in conclusion it doesn't matter if the Celtics didn't get a dynasty of championships out of that move. They still win a ring because of it, and won it right away straight off the bat. When prior to this mega team up they weren't even close to being a championship team. So yes, it WAS most definitely a cheap ring. Anytime a group of players plot together and stack their team to the max to boost the odds in their favor...That's a cheap ring. Simple as that.

100%, Denver needs to make some moves this year if they want another chance at another CHIP.

That is a pretty remarkable achievement. The 1994 title is definitely the greatest single season championship run ever by any player when you factor in supporting cast and competition.

Heck if you coach a team with no all stars to a championship, you deserve to be on HOF

@@skap_attack 1995 is also ridiculous considering the competition he went up against but of course he had Drexler that season

He did had Drexler in 95 bro, lol

@@skap_attack Skap, I like your content and generally agree with you, but this Denver team is much stronger than that Houston team. The first one for sure. Other than that, Jokc should be appreciated. He's still the best player in the league until further notice.

...I have to agree. At least post-Shaq. For sure!!!

He perhaps is the best playmaker center ever (which just unusual) but his defense is lacking (which is not common for great centers), I can't even compare him with Giannis, they are too different, Jokic is more comparable with Duncan or Gasol

The most skilled center (foot work, handles, moves, passing) The best offensive center (shooting, play making,) Humble, great sport, champion, best player in the world, all time great

​@@Tethloach1this is the best take. They keep underselling him

This is a weak center era.

Literally there is nothing LeBron could do at this point to catch Jordan. If we are being real, there was nothing he could after he cheated the system in Miami and won less than 8 titles.

these two delusional losers hating on a 40-year-olds greatness, how pathetic and scummy you have to be to not be ashamed of yourself hating on a man's success that YOU wished you had 😂😂

two delusional jealous scumbags mad that LeBron has achieved success in his life, how miserable and pathetic you have to be to make hating on a 39-year-old your whole personality?!

Skap even with help, u dont talk about injuries for these greats in the finals. Stop generalizing things and give context when its time to give context. If someone's best teammates get injured in the finals and dont play, is that still help?

@@PER578 lol I don’t even know who you’re talking about. Steph? Lebron? Steph would have beaten Toronto if Durant and Klay didn’t get hurt. BUT Steph would NOT have won in 2015 if Kevin Love and Kyrie didn’t get hurt. So that’s a net wash for curry. And quite frankly he outright stole 2 rings with Durant he shouldn’t have and didn’t deserve. Lebron stole all four of his. So IT ALL EVENS OUT. Curry should have 2 and Lebron COULD realistically have ZERO. I think he would have a MAX of 2 if he never left cleveland.

although true you could slightly make the case that if jokic hit those open 3s in the 4th his team could've won that game.

Even if those other players showed up you guys still wouldn’t give them any credit.

2-10 from 3 (particularly considering how open he was on a lot of those misses), poor defense, and honestly poor efficiency from the field in game 7 is not literally everything. Jokic is already one of the top 10 centers of all time. With that comes higher standards.

Y’all are now doing the same thing LeBron James fans do after his teams blow games… giving him excuses and blaming everything on teammates when the fact is they were up 20 in the 3rd quarter at home in a game 7! Jokic and Murray should’ve stepped on the Wolves neck and won that game. Jordan in 1998 won game 6 with one other player scoring only 15 because he went out and scored 45 and was cold blooded in the clutch. Jokic or Murray didn’t do that, no excuses.

@@jaketerpening3284exactly!

Y’all acting like bronsxuals now

I honestly am beside myself for the response to Jokic. Just in general. Unbelievable hatred for a guy with subpar athleticism and a trash supporting cast who literally dominates the current NBA.

@@skap_attack I honestly would be fine with it if they kept the same energy for LeBron and other stars. He's pushing into all-time great convos, which should invite higher scrutiny. But the inconsistency of making excuses for LeBron getting bounced in the first round in 5, blowing multiple massive leads, and not even being the best player on his team is what drives me batty.

Jokic has never won anything without Murray and the chance he had to do it lebron took him out in the second round

If Jokic didn't single handedly won that game 5, where he was responsible for 70+ points, this series would be finished in 6 games for Timberwolves.

That's exactly what I say all the time. MJ is great because he overcame the obstacles in his path. It's like his commercial about missing shots, game winners, and making people think he was perfect, but in truth it was all the hard work unseen. "maybe you just making excuses"

Yup

STRAIGHT FACTS.

Joker is more complete in offense!

@@milelemi8725sure son 😂😂😂

@@linorestrepolobo3620 4 years MVP, 4 years leading all advanced stats, freak of nature 😘

@@Zemlja_je_ravna you just need a functioning pair of eyes to know he is not. Stats in this era are vastly inflated. But what would you know? You must be 12 and haven’t seen real basketball. He is great but can not touch Jordan

Jordan shouldve never retired in 94. hed be even furthur ahead

I honestly believe no one will EVER surpass Jordan. It just isn't possible. The best offensive player EVER who was the best positional defender in the sport for his entire career...WHILE winning 6 titles in an 8 year span (and he didn't play one of the two seasons in between). No one is EVER equalling that.

People are making case for Jokic, for best offensive player ever.

@@Zemlja_je_ravna Because his averages haven't gone down yet because he's only played while young. Look at Jordan's averages during his first retirement in 93. Jokic does not compare and never will.

​@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI Jokic is better playmaker, rebounder and screener than Jordan

Wemby is wild😂

LOL we can DEFINITELY get LeBron's name the hell out of that conversation. I am with you!

⁠@@skap_attackJordan is not only the basketball GOAT, he is one of the best athletes ever regardless of sport. Legacy and impact wise, only Gretzky, Senna, Carl Lewis, Michael Johnson, Djokovic can be compared to him.

keep running ya mouth kid you MJ jock rider 😂😂

@@skap_attack lmaooooo

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Bird didn't make McHale's post game better. He didn't make Kevin a better defender either. Kevin and DJ were the best defenders on the team. Bird is definitely an all-time great, but people give him way too much credit for his teammates' talent.

@@xaviervega468 Don't recall saying anything bad about McHale's post or defensive skills, but Bird's passing skills and his ability to draw double teams certainly facilitated getting the ball into him. I acknowledged DJs greatness too. But as great as they all were, pretty much the same team went from a 57 win team in 87-88 to a 42 win team in 88-89 when Bird only played 6 games due to injury. Even the Bulls only went from a 57 win team in 92-93 to a 55 win team in 93-94 when Jordan retired after the first threepeat.

Thank you so much! And thank you for continuing to tune in here and support me. I appreciate you 🙏❤

@skap_attack of course! Content is great and spot on. We need honest sports content! All legacy media (news, politics, sports, etc) is woke and a joke.

​@@skap_attacktou Is hater

It truly is astonishing 🤣

When todays NBA is a huge toilet, you need a plumber lol

He’s not even a plumber

@@thefunguy5069 in the eyes of Shaq and ESPN he is a Most Valuable "Plumber"

@@thefunguy5069 Plumper?

To what video is this response?

Ticket and Sports a fitness Rants.

Yeah, the jokic hate is very very real, and it’s lies.

@@blexusxeno25 errr..i dont think Skap cares about Sports fitness rants. He is insignifcant, Skap is already doing analysis with whitlock

@@arihia45 what about Ticket TV?

Exactly. It's going to be hard to rate Jokic so high when he admittedly doesn't have the drive.

Damn this video was ass

Thumbs down on the video

3 as the second fiddle. Sorry but we can't forget that either.

Yep. I will continue to defend him because I don't want him to follow suit of all of the other losers in this era. Like, imagine if Jokic just throws his hands up, says "I NEED MORE HELP" and goes and teams up with Luka Doncic lol. That's what all of the others in this era would do if they were him. Instead he just stays put and ALREADY HAS A TITLE!

And he saved you twice against the Lowly Lakers or who knows what would have happened, funny how you conveniently keep forgetting to mention that...smh

@@fabriciobraga633 he did hit a lot of clutch shots of course including the 2 game winners but they wouldn’t have been down double digits in almost every game if he wasn’t so ass for most of them

He literally objected to the comparison, what are you talking about?

Ant literally told them to stop the MJ comparisons

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Anytime brother

Actually Kobe asked publicly to be traded in 2007.

​@@blexusxeno25He stayed though. That's the point.

@@tassothomas5186that doesn’t change the fact that he still wanted to be traded.

Kobe did. Jordan quit the team. I say Jordan is worse. Dude straight up said "ta ta !" 😂😂😂 Pippen was like, I didn't come here to do this by myself!

@@holymsophy Revisionist history. That's not what happened. At all. Lol

Why? Oh yeah he is above them

​@@chakra.blurrrWould you like to kiss him?💋

@@chakra.blurrr😂

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The crime is your lebron derangement syndrome

1000% Those Dallas Teams CHOKED!

The longer LeBron plays, the further he falls. Which is so utterly ironic because he's clinging to the league to try to pad his resume. It's working in reverse 🤣🤣

In 2019 both LeBron and Rondo got injured. Before their injuries they were 5th in the playoff standings. The playoffs in the Bubble > the WEAK ASF competition Kobe went through in 09 and 2010 playoffs. In 2021 LeBron did what Kobe did in 05 which was miss the playoffs. In 2022 did you forget the amount of games AD missed due to injury? Last year he got swept by the team that won it all just like Kobe did against the Mavs n this year he lost in 5. Btw the majority of what u mentioned LeBron was no longer in his prime 😂

​@@stonecold316339weak asf competition that dog walked lebrons 60 plus win teams in 09 n 2010

😂😂😂😂 Where did you see this list? because mostly lebron is the second

​@@skap_attackdebate ou vai fugir?

Hopefully not. BUT, I think you're right. And I can see him ending with only 1 or 2 rings as a result. But despite only two titles for Hakeem, I have him in my top 10.

@@skap_attacksame with me. I hadn’t met anyone else yet who had the dream in his top 10 👍🏽

Yet they were up 20 in the 3rd quarter. Had jokic shot 40% of those lone 3s it would have been enough. Then amav series would hace been a relative easy trip to the finals. A shame since they looked competent against boston in regular season.

@@Refreshment01 I wanted to see Luka v Jokic in the West Finals.

all those loses on record breaking days ... the universe is funny 😂🤣

''sorry'' my ass if your writing 5 paragraph comment criticizing LeBron's achievements 😂😂

You are obsessed with the man

He lose the greatest games cuz he needs more great players to win.

Don’t be sorry cuz his name is LoseBron for a reason.

and im afraid he's never going to get any and be forgotten

That Booth guy is killing them, Bruce Brown was nice pick up, CB was ok when they needed defense, but he did nothing for this season, guy should be replaced honestly.

Me too.

Highkey*

​@@eghck.push_ Highest key!

Highest Key!

I'll give you Duncan if you give me Hakeem.

Duncan is so underrated. Definitely top 10 all time

That is all I'm saying. I'm getting eaten alive for my stance on him. I don't think its ok to blow 20 point leads in game 7s. I think there should be some negative ramifications for him. BUT, he has SUBSTANTIALLY overachieved in LITERALLY every way throughout his entire career.

Denver rely on him to do everything. That is not a problem unless they face the best defense in the league and rest of the supporting cast can't do anything. Lets be real that game 7 could go either way, supporting cast decided the winner.

Stop calling them bums. Thats not true.

Deja vu huh

The nuggets shouldn't have even been favored in that series lol. EVERY NBA PLAYER has failed. Had bad moments. But the level of expectation on him right now is unfair.