LETS TALK ABOUT LORE IN FANMADE INCREDIBOX 

since the arrival of orin ayo i’ve seen SO MANY PEOPLE saying that they like a mod not because of music, designs or animations, but because of the lore. Incredibox was made to make awesome sounding music, not reading an entire paragraph on how someone died in the most gruesome way. seeing this community going into this route… it’s just straight up sad to see.

Finally, Neester acknowledges the problem there

Absolutely god tier video. Lore is something that I feel that has so much potential but everyone who does it fumbles it so hard and borderline just parodies eachother. Lore is awesome, but Sepbox, Corruptbox, Disasters, Orin Ayo spin offs literally just parody eachother in terms of it being about alternate humans after an incident. Even if the music is good or not, the lore is so uninspired, especially at face value

The lore can also be told with bonuses, and not just documents, something like Dystopia, where the bonuses together make a story. I would prefer to see that instead of a hella lot of text

Y’all, lore isn’t the problem here. A cheap and easy story is quicker to produce than a long running, complex narrative. Of course there’s gonna be a million terrible stories, the good ones are still under development or are being buried. Music has been tied to storytelling for centuries, you can try to separate the two but it just won’t work. Not everything needs a narrative I understand, but to remove the idea of a narrative entirely isn’t fair at all. Not every story is gonna be good either, I think we forgot that a lot of these creators are kids with passion projects. The over saturation is exhausting, but you can’t tell me this was preventable. It’s like a BIG OL game of telephone, Orin Ayo set the groundwork for a new and potentially exciting story, but it’s popularity was followed by people who wanted to ride the coattails of its success. Now it’s gotten so bad to the point where I think we forgot what made Orin Ayo so popular in the first place. It wasn’t because it was the best piece of fiction or had a good story, it was NEW and it opened a lot of ideas to young storytellers. But it also gave way to what we see now. I honestly think the way to stop this is not to fight against the wave. Creators need to stand out from the crowd to be noticed and recognized for their ideas. But you need to also recognize that quality takes TIME, because while we wait for new ideas, the same stuff is still being produced in the background

You know, I think if done right the lore behind a mod can in fact make it more enjoyable. But so far we haven't seen much of that. You know what would be cool? If there was like, a series that instead of being about an apocalypse, was about a god who created humanity, but they began to wage war, so he made his own race of people and hid in his own city. Then were would be battles between them that would be explored in their own versions, and it wouldn't just be in logs, but in like, spinoff games and actual bonuses. Whats even better you could have it be a collaboration between two separate mod making teams that begin to connect over time. has this ever been done before

Who the hell looks for lore in a music-creation game.

If you're trying to tell a story, TELL IT THROUGH YOUR MUSIC.

Sepbox, Colorbox, Vitsubox, etc. have one of the most interesting lores that aren't inspired from the what used to be famous mods called Orin Ayo and Breakthrough for their tragic and cruel lores (As for the the name Tragibox). They talk more about the characters traits or even a deep lore/story behind it that makes it more like a series to indulge in, we need more of these kinds of mods rather than the Oh-so-dark-and-scary cheap stuff. OG Mods are beautiful too with their bonuses that tells their own stories.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!!! Every time when there is a scrach mod, there is always a document lore page that makes it so boring and uninteresting that it's not unique, and even when there are new official mods, they unfortunately don't have any bonuses/story to share, at least Orin Ayo got a okish remake, it just needs a new story to have (and not though the documents) though bonuses to make it more interesting.

Incredibox developers: gives a history to dystopia through the bonuses Incredibox scratch modders: and i took that personally

This is a bit complicated, in my opinion, if there is any lore in an Incredibox mod, I always think it will depend on the bonuses, like Evadare and Arbox themselves, which have already done this,Evadare goes from the beginning to the end of his story, Arbox tried, because Augury came with the part of the story that was supposed to be shown first, but came later to make things confusing, But for Scratch creations it's just the same thing: TXT lore, wars, something related to viruses, tragic events, etc. From Sepbox's v8 onwards I thought it was a little more of the same, because I ended up wanting them to go face the big villain of the story (which doesn't even show why Masswenth is a villain anymore), And others are also the same thing that gets a bit repetitive, if it were to show what the character is like it would be ok, but if it's for something in the story it's just this repetition, And it's something that we don't even see anymore, even if it's a summary, because Scratch creations no longer even focus on having bonuses to want to show this part of the story beyond the sounds of each version, And then it becomes very boring for the vast majority, as if there wasn't going to be another way of telling the story and continuing with it in a more unique way, I don't know when this showing part of the story in TXT will end, because just sticking with it will end up being quite unbearable at some point, I don't think it's confusing as you didn't say, but that it's not just in text is a point that I completely agree with

I would really enjoy seeing a mod that takes place, in a scenario kind of like post Dystopia, where they are trying to rebuild. It would have a dark but hopeful sound to it

I think Neester maybe on to something if the creator what to put some lore let it put some lore into. As long the sound tracks and the images of the polos make sense like the Colorbox collection for example.

This might just be re-telling what Neester said in that post, but the main reason I don't like lore documents is because they're usually just a lazy, generic, copy-paste format. Horror mods especially have this problem where they adopt an Urbanspook-like style, just pure shock value without any actual story. "(Insert character here) was killed by (Insert excruciatingly detailed method of murder here) and this is what they look like afterwards (Insert messed up looking polo here)." Especially especially with mods like E.V.A.C.U.A.T.E. just reusing the Orin Ayo format. Character shows up, gets hit by the forbidden soy sauce, and turns into a horrific monster, The end.

Incredibox peaked with the original versions, Alpha is so good it's still used in this video

This, I agree. They should fix the lore.

I’m sorry, 15!?!? The only reason why I gave sepbox a pass was because was because the music was good and I thought it was only going to have 7 versions. FIFTEEN!? Yeah I don’t wan’t 7 more versions of increasingly bad lore docs thank you

I rlly wish monochrome had lore bro. I wanna see the disaster that occured at the research facility that caused significant damage at 9:27, What happened to the polos, they look hella cool and i wanna see what happened to them

Bonus is better than LORE!

Not gonna lie but Mr.Artemiy taking evadare as an example shows us that we can show rather then tell or tell the incedent like an overview rather than shoving it down the viewer by making them read EVERY SINGLE persons experience And they also forget to keep the story understandable EDIT: Oh also that incredibox is a music game we CAN say a story with the Music But sometimes that may not work so these young creators use WORDS to a tell their story

i am not tapped into the incredibox mod lore but a western version would kick ass

Scratch has taken down most Scratch Mods. Including some good ones like Colorbox. :(

The looooooore!!

I think lore is a good thing to have in some mods but it will never impact my opinion on them. Good lore is appreciated but the actual mods are all about the music and visuals. A mod with good music and bad lore will always be better than a mod with good lore and bad music. I like the mods by leonard is my name like sins and krystalbox v4 far more than orin ayo even tho orin ayo has far better lore. If lore isn't a necessary part of incredibox mods then it shouldn't impact the quality of them. I could keep going on forever on this topic.

I love you Artemiy

You both are right. It's incredy-BOX. It's about beat-BOX. We need *music* and beatbox, not Lore. My fanbonuses would be about music and wouldn't have any (or would have the least possible) Lore

A western themed mod sounds super cool!

they see success, they farm it, that's normal unfortunatelly. denormalizing this kinda stuff would be good but that would take time. either way, it just happens, every platform that has fame with community based creation has that phase.

The moment Colorbox (an otherwise good mod) added lore it went way too far.

I'm a little conflicted that Neester decided to mention this. You see, I've been kinda generating my own concept, and I look at lots of these other stories, which were likely born from the actual mod/scratch fangame, which are usually not all that great. My idea has been stirring around long before I discovered Incredibox though, and although it may be similar to Sepbox 6: Embers, in that it's sort of a tragic sounding song with war-related lore to it, hell the first one in my series is legit called War, like I said, the whole overarching story has been developed for years without me even knowing about Incredibox. Plus... you know... I thought of it before Embers came out? I just feel I need to clarify this because apparently if someone does literally anything first, every future thing even a little similar is a carbon-fucking-copy and needs to be burned on a cross. That's an issue I have with people as big as Neester at the same time. Maybe some of these people did genuinely have a story they've developed outside of Incredibox, then decided to use it as a conduit to spread their ideas out, and when they find out that hundreds of other people do something similar, their probably genuinely crafted story they made with love will just be cast aside as "Another shitty horror lore-dump mod." I'm only saying sometimes, I mean, clearly some versions are just overall low-quality, but I'm just saying. Now with all this circulating around, I'm pretty afraid that my own idea, which actually has some unique character designs, with some having a deviant artstyle I made myself, it too might get cast aside as "A wannabe Sepbox" even if it is older than Sepbox. People listen to these big creators, especially the children, and while maybe this did need to get addressed, at the same time, the harm it could cause might actually reduce the quality of future mods/fangames. It might make people abandon their projects all together out of fear of it being irrelevant or considered unoriginal, which is a thought I really don't want to see become reality. On an individual level, it is already becoming a bit of an issue. Now, while I did say this could be harmful, I also said that it still likely needed to be addressed. There is a genuine concern with the rise of low-quality mods/fangames with shitty lore that basically takes the same formula as other horror mods. I like to call this FNF Syndrome, where a lot of mods/fangames follow the same kind of formula. In this case, we're talking about horror mods. Grayscale color palette, or just a really gloomy one with too much blood. Uncreative. Creepy the first time, boring and repetitive the 50th time. Characters that are just absolutely brutalized for no good reason, and then overly detailed lore about how every organ was crushed and eaten by a monster. Oh, and they're probably still alive too because of magic ass-wizards or something. The overarching lore being about some kind of serial killer, infection, or incident releasing monsters. I call it FNF syndrome because Friday Night Function had an epidemic of mods having characters with three songs, with the first song being calm, the second song being faster paced as the character gets angry, and the third song just being spammy and generally unfun to the point of not even being funny. The Whitty mod did it first, and it was genuinely cool, Even if Ballistic (the third song) just has straight-up ass charting, it was still cool and unique, it was a pioneer. And then. Every. Single. Mod. EVER. Copied that formula. Alright, I'm tired of typing. See ya later. TLDR: There is no TLDR you lazy bum. You're in a music-making game community, you're gonna need an attention span, get off TikTok, go mix some music.

Very cool

hi artemy

Yk I also notice that lore in incredibox fanmade mods are trying to be brutal as possible, disasters being an example, I feel like orin ayo was the reason, since orin ayo is brutal, not saying I dont do that, but i notice that

All just a case of forcing Incredibox into something it’s not. I swear people looked at what V8 did and took it too far.

Lore is cool yes especially if its executed right but sounds matter too for God's sake, take Arbox, Travis, Evadare, etc and it was great, and then came the orin ayopocslypse and sepbox or whatever its called. FYI, I watched one neester video, heard his voice, and cringed so hard that I just left the video (It was on the lock your doors video, I made a joke about it in comments)

Another based video by artemiy

I think lore it's fine in mods, but the problem it's not the presence, it's the CONTENT of the lore that makes a mod shitty.

Are you have enough sleep?

You guys call this junk "lore"?

I really miss the old Incredibox lores and mods not the new Incredibox lores and mods except relic and monochrome are my favorite

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i do not like a' the lore.