Libertarian Caller Tries To Out-wit Sam Seder 

I agree with that sentiment, because it’s hilarious to watch, but I _do_ actually get tired after awhile, hearing these copy-pasted, cookie cutter clowns, stumbling around in the dark, fumbling and stuttering with their own words, constantly trying to search their memories on the spot for whatever _“enlightened” rich white guy_ they’re watching or listening to. Though of course, how else would we deprogram these (obviously low information/misinformed) people without engaging with them? That’s part why I love Sam. He honestly has SO MUCH more patience than I would have with guys like these lol

I do, it seems like with every new generation we’re having to reiterate what older generations have known for decades. My question is, does this represent a failure of our public school system? Because I learned this shit in middle school. How is it that 20 somethings are still in the dark about this?

@@realzachfluke1 I guess I was a little nervous and that made me a little less articulate. All I said that I was a Libertarian. The only thing I fleshed out was that I believed in property rights, no regulations nor minimum wage. I did facepalm when he asked me what community I had in mind and I responded with something that had nothing to do with the question. I'm not tone deaf towards my social mistakes and hopefully I can improve. If you have any questions about the debate just let me know.

@Adrumpf Twittler What is the process of cleaning water?

@Adrumpf Twittler No! I'm mean the actual physical mechanics of cleaning water.

that wasn't it at all but nice try

@@desertsand8778 actually it was spot on.

@@123Patrick actually it wasn't at all.

@@desertsand8778 it actually was.

@@ganginfr4923 it actually wasn't

Central authority.. aka local government

it's called Communism LOL

Based. Let's call it a Central Committee and appoint a Chairman. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

More than that, let’s have all aspects of government in every town… all deciding every local grievance. Imagine the shit show that would be trade and logistics.

Made me lol when he said “well if the people don’t like the car companies refusing to put safety measures in, then they should band together and enforce those measures” 🤦‍♂️

if you came with your armed militia and your oil rig i would simply deny you access to my land. good luck getting around that :)

@@mtlewis973 one shotgun will totally stop a well armed militia. 😂 Access denied. 😂😂😂

@@mtlewis973 RIP to the Native Americans but I'm different :)

never heard an old worker call up, argue agst safety regs, pensions.

Getting robbed? Just say no. Marauding gangs cannot legally take your property without your consent

😂😂😂😂

Hahah! 😂

Someone needs to make an indie game like this

Abandon all hope, ye libertarians who enter here

@Pfiehbd Djofjrh when?

A universal truth about right-wing libertarians...

the dunning kruger effect

Like all libertarians of his ilk.

@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 the school of dunning kruger is what it should be called😂

@Edgehead10075 Nah, there's just a sweet dirt hill down the street he wants to jump his dirt bike from That's the base of his whole ideology

That was extremely bizarre. I still don't know why he brought up the minimum wage.

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280it’s because he defeated his own argument, he’s a moron

Or the wars in the Middle East as to deflect from walking into housing authority 😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣

I really don't get their stick! Is like what do you stand for taxes are theft,free market is the way to go! Am here like why are this ppl in civilized nation and don't live in the freaking jungle by their logic.

@@Carlos_Jzx either they don't want to start from scratch or they know libertarian ideology is completely ridiculous and would never work in a real world situation.

@Edgehead10075 Because 'free market economy™' sucks for anyone except the very top capitalists?

Yep

The feels. ☹

"I have a thought experiment for you..."

cackle

thanks i was laughing, now i’m crying

DaFeels

so just an average libertarian?

Haha

But the window anecdote contradicts his ideology. It should have pushed him away from libertarianism.

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Yes - it took the BIGGER state government to resolve the issue that the smaller city government would not. His smaller government ideology fell flat on its face in that story.

I pity the fools.

Brendan's remark at the beginning was priceless. I love this show, but its hard to listen to the libertarian debates because it's just not fair. We already know Sam will wipe the floor with them. They still keep coming though.

Well said! XD

AMEN

Take whatever road you want to the Library, what you're talking about is JIBBA' JABBER!

Wrong. Government comes after. But you're too stupid to understand that lol.

@@Kirboe111 can you actually explain what was incorrect? You just saying someone is wrong and calling them stupid is what I would expect someone who doesn't know what they are talking about would say.

@@Kirboe111 government comes after what?

@@Kirboe111 an adult man using LOL should mean banishment on political franchise of said individual.

Yep. They have all these laws and codes in place to protect them so they think people just naturally don't do fucked up things and those laws and codes are unnecessary not realizing people's greed in a capitalist society turns them into monsters

Libertarian world: everybody should be the master of everything so they don't get screwed over in the absence of a central authority and regulation - of which we have now, and of which has worked for hundreds of years. But what I think he was saying here is that everybody ELSE should extensively learn electicity, HVAC etc. so they don't get screwed over by their libertarian-world landlord - time is no factor. But for him: HIS time is limited.

hahahaha true

Haha, yeah, I regret how I treated her. Shes cool though

When he says he believes in "small government" he literally means *SMALL* government LMAO! It's not about limited involvement of government, it's just that the government is smaller, like the size of your neighborhood, and therefore has even greater direct control over your life as if your neighbors all don't like you, this "community" can do whatever the hell they want.

@@isaiahphillip4112 Dude is for MORE government that fixes his window and punishes golf courses, and LESS government that regulates "car flipping." It's very specific and we wouldn't understand it, but also definitely a generalizable world view.

@@isaiahphillip4112 we have this thing called “municipal”,”state”,”federal “ Government 😂 Yeah…. It already exists

"I'm small community"

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu yeah we do, but what they do can be challenged by bigger government.

I'm just gonna say this. Roads are seriously unsustainable. We need more trains... No need for these gosh darn unsustainable "roads" that get filled with pot holes. Cars are equally unsustainable.

@@Sh4dxwxz what we really need are jetpacks!

@@Sh4dxwxz I think cars can be sustainable if we electrify and build for durability. Electric also makes cars last longer since they use many fewer parts, and the battery tech is ready for million mile batteries. But I do think you have a valid point that we should use more trains.

@@alexklick4836 If we use cars within a limited amount such as for only rural use and on a, no car ownership principle, it's possible but if we live within cities it isn't possible to make it sustainable. It induces demand to create infrastructure for cars. Social consumerism is driven towards car ownership when everyone has them. However the biggest problem is the induced demand that the infrastructure creates.

@@alexklick4836 cars should be rented as and when they are needed. Carpooling should be mandatory. Riding a bike for most journeys is doable within densely populated areas. We should. Multiple days of the week we're driving unless commercial is flat out banned. Public transport needs a big upgrade.

And then Sam relies on some “soothsayer” to tell him.

His fake forced laughter after the fact was the most cringe thing about the entire call.

He was hoping to bamboozle Sam on the call and laughed at every point when he thought he had.

By that point he was feeling stupid and was looking for anything, I think

That was actually Vivek Rameswamy

Whatever happened to those bootstraps - huh libertarian?

"I dislike everything government does, except for the specific things it does that have helped me in the last 12 months"

@@theferrit32 "I dislike everything government does, except for the specific things it does that protect my property since I'm scared of all the immigrants"

I think I already established a limited government.

@@etherealturmoil no?

The government requires force. That's the difference moron lol

@@Kirboe111 so I guess all the countries that didn't have that force weren't countries 🙄

@@Kirboe111 Oh shut up. Anyone who would comment that believes that ONLY the government can force you to do something and they would only think that because they're entitled. If I have to provide another profit to survive than I'm as much FORCED to provide said profit as the government requires, if not moreso.

@@Kirboe111 and what would an organization do that has no power to protect anyone?

​@@Kirboe111 if you rights are violated by other individuals (gangs, militia, etc), how would a libertarian gov protect you rights without use of force?

Which I didn't do in this argument

@@desertsand8778are you the caller!!?!

@Johnny Fishfingers I think you're right. Weed doesn't make stupid, it opens up and slows down. It shows absurdities you hadn't seen before. Alcohol does what is described above, making what goes on in your mind seem way more interesting than it is.

Haha, yes.

Herman M Weed makes logical reasoning much harder in my experience

can you specify which ideas were dumb?

@@NN-sp9tu Weed makes me more perceptive than I normally am; like I'll notice things I normally wouldn't and make connections between things easier; but at the same time, it makes thinking contemporaneously more difficult.

Lmao no more governments! Just groups of people governing

Marauder bands

Nice Strawman there buddy.

libertarianism is not anarchism

wtf are you talking about, veln is right, ridiculous strawman. no libertarian wants to exert power over people, the ideology fundamentally supports the opposite, let people live as they wish.

hahaha, reminds me of the South Park hippie episode.

For a second there it sounded like he was going to accidentally argue for something resembling anarcho syndicalism

Thanks. That was VERY funny. And totally true.

It's just a collection of people, you know, it could be 20 households or it could be, say, 300 million.

Great post!!!

His parents told him he could be anything he wanted to be. Too bad he decided to be politically illiterate.

His usage of the word 'complicit' might have been my favorite thing.

I like how vapid people like you are when criticizing people. mind if you demonstrate some intelligence and explain what points were missed?

@@desertsand8778 out of sheer curiosity, do you deal with a lot of call quality issues?

@@desertsand8778 Says the guy who is qualifying people of "vapid" while basing his critic over one commentary... how ironic. And if you aren't able to identify all the points missed by the caller (OP already said "every single point" BTW) then the onus to justify at least one point that was correctly addressed by the caller is on you. For any non-utopist libertarian, all these points are pretty self-explanatory.

“If you think lemon law is something we need then you should start an organization” um yeah that’s the government

Sad thing is he thinks he is smart

Sounded like Brendan was hoping to get out early. 🤣

jamie's face bursting with excitement as the guy say "I'm a libertarian"

The caller really didn't get how happy he made Sam :-)

@@Daneelro most libertarians think that they won the debate

END THE FED AND ERASE THE PUBLIC SECTOR ABOLISH DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS PRIVATIZE AND DEREGULATE HEAVEN AND EARTH CORPORATE NEO-FEUDALISM NOW!

Even to this date, it feels weird to know that we won't be able to see him on the show.

This one of the things I miss most about him, his laughter was so infectious and his mocking of libertarians was soooooo funny.

He would be fucking cackling, you wouldn't be able to hear anything for a second, and the caller would get awkwardly for a few seconds. Sam would wave him off and try to not start laughing himself. He is missed.

Micheal would have been laughing his ass off at this clown

Are you a certified hydrologist, sir? SIR?!

Their motto should be "government tyranny bad, corporate tyranny good"

@@AnArchyRulzz DON'T TREAD ON ME UNLESS YOU'RE NAMED REEBOK NIKE OR SKECHERS

@@AnArchyRulzz Libertarians are actually very pro-small business, we're the type of people to shop at local stores instead of Target or support the competition to big corporations.

@@dayniel2 and then vote to make it harder for those local stores to exist.

@@dayniel2 oh yeah, you're so pro-small business that you're also pro-collusion, monopoly, and oligopoly. Lmfao please.

rofl

Lmao, people lead you to believe things are hard because they wasted years of their life learning it when in reality most things are easy.

@@diesel92kj1 Thanks for being a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect

​@@diesel92kj1 I had to rewire an entire floor of my home because we found out that the ignorant DIY'er who previously owned the place ran SPEAKER WIRE between a lot of the switches and fixtures. Mind you I'm not against DIY. If you can install a $3 outlet by yourself so you don't have to pay an electrician $100-$150 to do it, I'm all for that. I used to do that all the time when I was younger to help my parents save money. But if you're going to wire an entire new build you best study up on the NEC basics, or else some poor slob down the road is going to pay for any mistake you make. I know we certainly had to. Don't be like that jackass who confused the lights for the sound system.

@@Felamine Agree, do your research.

They want to have the revolutionary aesthetic of the Left without actually being revolutionary. Or to put it simply, Republicans who smoke weed.

They want a clean house but they're not willing to take out the trash. They want electricity but consider paying the bill to be abusive. They basically just want a society of entitled babies who live off their parents.

This guy clearly lives with his parents and him dad picked his car out for him. That or he's got some old Camaro that's not firing on all cylinders, but he likes the noise.

Me trumps you and might is right.

@@patiotaiza They are what they claim leftist are basically

"businesses won't do bad things." you mean like child labor and lead based paint? or maybe dumping sewage in fresh water sources and sweatshops.

@PremierSportingKC Libertarian nonsense, of course.

"I *DO* believe in *the MILITARY* "

Lol ive never heard a libertarian say they were so in favor of governmental control of land ownership.

@@veenoir1991 if a left leaning person were to say that the government should seize unused private property they would immediately be called a communist by any right winger or centrist.

You mean every 11 year old

this is the future libertarians dream about

Yes it didn't age well

I mean his full stupidifty was on display. from this conversation, his stance would be that those 150 people didn't do there research. they should have gone to engineering school and gotten a degree in structural engineering. then canvased the whole condo before buying one....so really it's all their fault

@@allyabernathy4098 Their wet dream is a dystopian nightmare.

I would think that if you truly want a “do what you want as long as it doesn’t hurt someone else” kind of country than a building being built poorly and collapsing and killing people would be against that belief.

Johnny Guillotine thank you kind sir

I’ve had a shit week too man. This cheered me up!

Chin up mate 🙂

My condolences to you and your family ❤️ Say, was it ever confirmed that Sargon's grandfather really is black? He said he is mixed in his most recent conversation with Destiny

This caller doesn't cheer me up because I realize he votes Trump and breeds. Or, maybe he just doesn't cheer me up because of clinical depression. I'm open to different theories.

The problem is that they think if they stay on the attack, they can appear to be winning.

@@ridjenite Probably because they watch too much Ben Shapiro XD

Everybody does this. Libertarians are wrong so often though its basically how they argue

Define "good at" lol

And the long “okaaaayy” while they think of a way to shift the goal post or change the subject.

OMG, when they actually go and live somewhere that works as they want, then I would respect them more. Pretty much everywhere I go today, I’ll be using stuff built and maintained by the government. These people are crackers. And I think if you dig down they all think the same thing, I only want government when they are doing what I want

😂💯

Basically women. 😂

@@Johnny.Brahvo Women are statistically more educated and have higher paying jobs than men today. They are independent and that number is growing.

@@elloowu6293 you keep telling yourself that. They are the majority in collecting child support and alimony. Nothing “strong and independent “ about that.

This argument won’t matter btw. I’ll win and the majority report will delete it

Hey, this guy's been through hardship. Didn't you hear his heartbreaking story about a golf ball breaking his window?

They all believe they exist as singular islands all to themselves.

I've never heard anyone talk out of both sides of their mouth like this dude..

@@noneya3864 Solipsism.

@@voxomnes9537 Yes, although solipsism is too fancy a word for these twits. They're developmentally stunted children.

Thank you for that quote, it made me laugh. Hitchens was truly a gift to humanity.

@@user-ic4ce8xb5v he most definitely was NOT, but he has his moments.

@@hmt4173 He did pretty great exposes of Mother Teresa, Kissenger, and the Clintons.

Funny thing is, Libertarians are not selfish. They are the opposite and they hate the idea of their charity money being wasted through the filters and bureaucracy of government. The selfish are the folks who think it is okay to use the force of government to steal from some to fund their charities.

@@DarkHorseSki ok bud

Lol true, it sounds good until u make them explain more,then u relized they ate just spoiled kids who don't want to be told what to do

They're just gun nuts who hate taxes

Libertarians ARE memes lol

@@sgh94644 Based. Why is that a problem?

To be fair, ask any random person to defend any of his beliefs and you will find that he is not a great speaker for his cause...

I passed out 5 minutes in 😂.

"Okaaay."

They're so... narrow with their definition for government roles. And they never seem to convincingly articulate exactly why those roles and nothing else.

Just want government brown shirts to enforce property rights for my apartments daddy left me

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Nice summary. They certainly believe in the survival of the fittest or the luckiest.

Siri, what’s a strawman fallacy?

Rivaled only perhaps by the libertarian landlord...

Well why didn't the renter go get an electrician diploma and then do a full analysis of the wiring of the home before renting? Sounds lazy to me.

@whatsupinspace854 Lmao this is the level of delusion we're dealing with here.

@@chuck1prillaman yes. From California, and is accidentally left wing

@@chuck1prillaman dude, petty much?

No way, this guy actually engaged with the _ideas_ more than dave rubin is ever willing to do...

still pretty dumb tho...

This the guy that tried to outwit Sam. I didn't say anything about government sucking. I was arguing that more autonomy should be held by municipalities, mainly when it comes to business and property relationship. Sam just kept on harping my property rights idea to where I really couldn't flesh out my ideas. But it's cool I admit the conversation was cringe and the laughing exacerbated it.

😂😂

It's actually kind of hilarious that is house is situated next to a golf course where this can happen. Like hopefully his house was a little cheaper to cope with that downside

Lmao he should make a movie about how he beat the golf course in court lmaoooo

"I love libertarianism " cites the exact example of why libertarianism would never work. Insanity

@@piotrbartnicki1308 bet you dime's to donuts that the golf course owner is buddies with the city manager and the chief of police. "I love libertarianism"

No, and I honestly don't have much faith in them to eventually realize it either. Half the time, I just don't want to hear their nonsense anymore.

This is the caller here. Unfortunately, us Californians can't really rely on the fire department to do much with the fires that are happening in the mountain areas. we can only prevent them from hitting the cities and residential areas by control burning. Funny enough, you're not allowed to do that on your own in the state of California and I believe that has caused some damage.

@Kieran Kinney I understand why they don't let you, but not letting people resulted with our fires anyways. The fact that your telling me that Australia has these stipulations like California proves my point, because both areas have suffered from massive wildfires. That being said, I agree you need to be competent when dealing with burning. I'd suggest a co-op with people that do know what they are doing to lead the community to control burn. You don't need a centralized bureaucracy for this to happen.

@@desertsand8778 >That being said, I agree you need to be competent when dealing with burning. I'd suggest a co-op with people that do know what they are doing to lead the community to control burn. You don't need a centralized bureaucracy for this to happen. you mean like a volunteer fire station? those don't exist anymore because our society became so service industry based that most don't have time to go sit around or train, they need to work 8-10 hours a day :\ we had to make people do it with incentives. like wages.

@@felicityc experience there's nothing wrong with making a business model out of control burning.

"I'm this *insert ideology name*" First question is asked... "Ummmm, uhhhh, well..."

the eye brow raise followed by the lean back in the chair

I feel like Mad Max is more accurate for what they allegedly want lol

You could argue the same about industrialized capitalism being a necessary prerequisite for imagining socialism. Funny ironies like that

@@damaniwilson7933 How so?

@@hodgepodge2749 It's a reference to the theory that the tools of capitalism will be what is used to build socialism. If socialism is to take root in the world capital has created, what else would but the tools of capitalism would be used to bring it about? If socialist values are to win an ideological battle against the current hegemonic individualistic neoliberalism, what would be stronger than an appeal to making good on the heretofore unfulfilled promises of liberal democracy? Or so goes the theory.

@Emeril Lugosi I appreciate your point, and I'm sure we have much to learn from the hunter-gatherers. But most modern conceptions of socialism include mass industrialization, which makes any potential socialist future quite different from however any pre-industrial societies lived. I argue that these imaginings of an alternative mode of production (modern socialist theory) are independent from whatever modes of production or social organization prevailed in hunter-gatherer societies, even if there is overlap. And I argue that the idea of transitioning beyond capitalism is only imaginable within capitalism. This is a framework which accounts for the world capital has created, implementing and co-opting some of its infrastructure. There is a difference between "beyond capitalism" and "outside capitalism". I would put modern socialist theory in the former group, and pre-modern hunter-gatherer societies in the latter.

Yes, but Libertarians are not anarchists.

I'm just finally glad a libertarian admitted it! Usually they're like "well, it'll just work out."

That's a shame. Roads believe in you.

That reminded me of the guy who said "I know how to operate a road" after the police man told him to get on the sidewalk. Is this the same guy?

@@tmikeb28 🤣🤣🤣

Where we’re going we don’t NEED ROADS!!

No not even close

Um no.

I said I was for limited government. Why do people keep on bringing this up? I swear Sedar's audience's IQ is lower than change in my pocket

@@desertsand8778 They are merely pointing out that you keep rediscovering how the different gov apparatus came to be in the first place....but you should have done that at the library

​@@desertsand8778 because you repeatedly create a need for a government of some sort in nearly all your answers. Really, that's one of the big downfalls of the libertarian stance. Government is something that mostly comes out of necessity when groups of people live together. The entertainment for us comes from the fact that even though you yourself create government several times in your answers yo still don't see it.

@@MuaddibIsMe Well... we don't have a system where property is honored. They are permitted. That's a huge difference. I understand that cities and counties already have the authority to deal with property rights. I even mentioned the reality of it as well. A city where I live has given ownership of vacant land to a person but I disagree with that ownership because it's blatant usury. That is the caveat. Meanwhile, my whole conversation with Seder was like this Seder: What's 2 + 2? Me: It's 4! Sam: Don't you think there's a mechanism where people already know that!? Me: .................

Right? Lmao

This guy would be very alarmed by water quality if we dropped EPA requirements.

I say give these guys exactly what they want. Put them on an island, let them create their libertarian utopia, and watch how quickly it all falls apart.

@@SymbiSpidey Exactly.

Absolutely brilliant. This guy is a knucklehead. 🤦🏻‍♂️

He touched on child labor laws with a libertarian before... It was a pathetic argument that had no foundation. As usual.

@Johnny Fishfingers God why is USA like a third world country.

@Johnny Fishfingers great explanation, thx. I think Incels need our pity as much as some kind of reprehension.

END THE FED AND ERASE THE PUBLIC SECTOR ABOLISH DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS PRIVATIZE AND DEREGULATE HEAVEN AND EARTH CORPORATE NEO-FEUDALISM NOW!

@Johnny Fishfingers wow thank you for your comment

Exactly, and they usually end up defeating their own arguments. They all have cognitive dissonance.

Man I couldn't tell if this was reddit or not for a second because of how strong the circlejerk is. I bet you havnt even talked politics with a libertarian once, and thier are many libertarians who run charities and legitimately use thier lives in service to others. But no, thier just 'selfish jerks' right. Smh, how about reserving judgment and not using stupid blanket statements like this, wait half of the comments are those....

@Edgehead10075 yup, freedom...the freedom to get raped by the rich and powerful.

@Edgehead10075 Apart from work for a shitty wage on pain of a miserable subsistance existance in abject poverty.

Edgehead10075 Amazon, Microsoft, Apple and most every billion dollar company you interact with makes you complicit in child slavery/labour and, for example, a coup over a democratically elected government so they can have access to cheap lithium because the home country wasn’t selling it at artificially low prices so they could provide for their people

Siding with police

Sitting in the basement complaining.

Well keep in mind maybe the original sin for them was the disenfranchisement of the black chattel capitalists (in their minds - there was usually plenty of recompense).

One of the thing he said that government should do is police to protect property rights. So property is more important than people.

@Edgehead10075 No, he specifically mentioned police as existing solely to ensure property rights. No mention of them needing to ensure human rights. If their purpose is property rights before all and not human rights, then they don't exist to ensure human rights.

they don't tend to think through their ideas at all, they just pick talking points theyve heard before.

Simply because they are aware that a $14 minimum wage isn’t enough doesn’t mean they must be for a minimum wage. Not sure why you think just because they have that information that they then must be for a minimum wage.

@@Sick96stang if they know you can't survive on $14 an hour and they advocating for being able to be paid below what you can live on without a federal entity to protect you. Then you're right, that isn't arguing for a minimum wage, it's arguing for slavery.

@@JimJamTheAdmin in no way does that fit any sort of definition of slavery.

he admitted that he didn't believe in human rights. he knows you can't survive on $14/hr, but he doesn't care, because you don't have a right to life. pretty consistent, actually.

I like the cat and mouse analogy better; Sam was mostly toying with him, not viciously devouring him, lol, and it was more amusing, less sad to the point of feeling sorry for the poor creature :)

END THE FED AND ERASE THE PUBLIC SECTOR ABOLISH DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS PRIVATIZE AND DEREGULATE HEAVEN AND EARTH CORPORATE NEO-FEUDALISM NOW!

Yeah except the mouse annoyingly lets out pompous laughs as he gets batted around because too stupid to know he’s dying.

Only Dave Rubin holds the wounded antelope title.

@@jasjfl lol, that was funny he thought he got Sam for not knowing what the min wage was in every single city and state without looking it up, and Jamie was like, 'What's your point dude?' Ya, mice have tiny brains :)

this guy sounds almost identical to a communist at times "you should only be allowed to own land if you're using it as a means of producing something or for something useful, and that usefulness is decided by the community" there's a word for that and its not 'libertarian'.

@@loadedpainted7040 the fuzzy feelings behind libertarians make sense, but in actuality they’re just trading an elected voice of the people (in theory, government) holding domain over them and they’re choosing to let powerful (financially, influentially, dangerously, etc) individuals and corporations. If you could keep lobbying groups and big money out of politics, you’d be way closer to your utopia of freedom than if you let the socially powerful be in charge. Fine, don’t use Facebook - zuck is really going to feel the financial crunch of that lol

Libertarian socialism has entered the chat

I started (literally!) laughing out loud when he began to propagate socialist ideas!! brilliant!!!

@@loadedpainted7040 ikr..I was thinking "that's socialism/communism. Capitalism works best.