You gotta love how, in a war between the incarnated spirits of ancient, legendary heroes of immense supernatural power and their magic-wielding Masters, all for the sake of having their wishes granted, it all comes down to two Servantless dead-men-walking, operating on fumes, having it out in one last fist-fight in front of the fully powered Holy Grail, neither fighting for themselves or their own chance for a wish.
The entire finale of Heaven's Feel was like a one big Boss Rush. First Saber, then Sakura, then Kirei comes out of nowhere, and finally, the Grail. That was intense.
@@Janhan_ I watched it yesterday in the theatres, they cut that part out. The movie fight was basically Shirou and Kirei fighting on equal grounds while talking about aborting the Angry Manjuu and then Kirei dies. The pacing is way off because of all the talk. There's no ' I like Kotomine ' or Shirou remembering Sakura while on the verge of passing out. They literally just slugged each other, that's all. They butchered the fight lol. Everything else was lit though
This was the best point of the entire game. Literally everything I wanted from Fate/Stay Night to close off the experience was this fight-- In Fate, Shirou has to use the Azoth Sword in order to defeat Kotomine. In Unlimited Blade Works, he has no hand at all in Kotomine's death. But in Heaven's Feel. Oh yes. This was the man-to-man fight that I craved. That particular picture made you realized that you were at the journey's end. Fighting this muscled-up priest because your ideals do not align in an ultimate duel of the fates using a failing body driven alone by the desire to protect those you care for whilst still lamenting on how far you've come was the exact type of end I was looking for to my Fate/Stay Night experience.
@@MrAracn fanservice? In heaven feel. We learned about parallels between kirei and shirou. So this battle is already pointed. This is the ultimate battle.
@@fernandogomezfischer948 fanservice? In heaven feel. We learned about parallels between kirei and shirou. So this battle is already pointed. This is the ultimate battle.
The thing is, he ultimately saw himself in Angra Mainyu. He wanted to prove that he himself, a person who WAS born as pure evil, had a right to be born into this world as well. What if the same was said of him before his birth? I mean, he wouldn't even exist if his parents were told that he would be pure evil and if they decided to abort him because of it. He sympathised with Angra Mainyu, because they were the same. In defending Angra Mainyu's right to life, he was defending his own as well.
*and the irony, Emiya Shirou, is Angra Manyu. He has no meaning and no shape, and he loves without restrain the world he hates as All evils of the world had hated the world it so loved*
What makes this ost special isn't so much that it's about the finale of heaven's feel. It's the finale of the entire Fate Stay Night game. After three routes we finally understand what happened to Sakura and who she is, we understand what the war truly means and finally, we understand who Kirei is. This song represents the culmination of not only HF!Shirou's journey but OUR journey. We, the players, are the three Shirous. And this is our final fight in the game. This song won't have the same impact if the player doesn't follow the fate - ubw - hf order.
Although I still think that the Fate route ending should be in the last order cause it's the only time Shirou and Saber give each other a proper goodbye, I do agree with you.
@@thatmotivatedchris6749 yeah, the way the debate was incorporated into fight, it wouldn't fit the tone. Remember in VN other theme played during debate, and then light and darkness kicked in when fists started flying
You know that Shirou cannot win. You know that even Kotomine at his absolute worst can defeat Shirou at his absolute best, you know that Shirou has a broken body. You know that Shirou is breaking down. You know that Shirou is in the verge of passing out.. But you also know that he cannot lose.
Not that I don't find this statement incredibly fitting for someone like Shirou, but I'm pretty sure Kotomine at his best would get absolutely railed on by Sparks Liner High Shirou.
Don't think so, ufotable UBW Shirou is way too strong. Shirou from post VN UBW also has a good chance, since he could just UBW skewer him by abusing his Archer experience. If he had more projections, this Shirou would go all out and pull another Nine Lives Blade Works. It's not a complete stomp I think, since Kirei is busted, but don't just write Shirou off like that. His adaptability is scary.
Caster and Shinji are dead, Illya and Rider are now allies, Gil has been eaten by Sakura, Saber has been put out of her misery, Sakura is pacified, Zouken has been exorcized, it should be over, but there still is one final obstacle to overcome, two dying madmen using the last of their strenght to engage in useless folly
*And on the end of the world actually satan, a existance without shape called Angra Manyu/Emiya Shirou, figths a man of god that is himself someone you would call anticrist or actually satan, Kotomine Kirei*
"You're getting in the way of that. Get lost. Sakura can't smile if you exist!" I really hope Ufotable gives this fight a proper adaptation. With this song included I hope!
JordanD1337 Still torn it's being done as a movie(s), but with UFO behind it, I know it'll be done as good as possible; though time constraints may turn it into a highlights reel~
***** 90 minutes off the Deen adaptation will be a highlight reel. But Ufotable doing it in a series of movies? Cmon, you saw how Kara No Kyoukai turned out. It'll be to satisfactory standards at least
+Fate/Stay Night Fanatic I have nothing against highlighrs reel. Something as long and as introspective works as a novel, that you read over course of days at your own pace. As a movie it needs to maintain a certain pacing.
The entire Original Fate/Stay Night actually slaps so hard yet only Emiya and occasionally Sword of Promised Victory are chosen to be reprised. This is fucking injustice.
*Ufotable is pretty much just trash when it comes to music, in the other hand....yes...Deen is actually perfect on it and "night of fate" or "Eiyuu Ou" are evidence, somehow better than even the majority of the VN music*
As badass as this music is, the entire scene was nothing more than Kirei unleashing one of the biggest curbstompings in the entire VN but and breaking his hands because Shirou's bones were turning into swords.
I'd say the scene overall was really epic. Not your usual fight, but man, Kirei and Shirou finally fighting it out, with their clashing ideals, doesn't get much better if you ask me. Can't wait to see that scene in the Heavens Feel movie.
Well, considering how Shirou manages to stay alive throughout Kirei's no-holds-barred beatdown, I'd say Shirou gets a couple of awesome points as well.
Getting curbstomped but surviving because the way you're dying is protecting your body more than the way the other guy is dying is pretty fucking badass, dude. I don't know, I feel like it fits.
I guess you can think of it as revenge for Shirou sprinting through acid mud, then blowing a hole the size of a crater in Kirei's chest during Fate. But seriously, as one-sided as the fight was, it was still pretty cool in my books. Even as close to death as those two were, neither one accepted defeat, giving it their all for what they believed in.
They say it represents how the entire story works. Fate: Shirou never gives up on his ideals= Portrayal of Kotomine as a heartless jerk UBW: Shirou focuses on exploring the true meaning of ideals= Kotomine is kinda just pushed to the side HF: Shirou gives up on his ideals= Seeing the true depth of Kotomine Kirei as a similarly screwed up person.
*Fate Shirou in the basement of the church just looked at the rooting dying while alive children calling for his help and said "Gonna give you up, ever gonna let you down, gonna run around, and don't save you, I will gonna make you cry, but best is for you to say goodbye, cause the grail is, destructed" and then he is so based that saber just decides to agree for the first time in something, and it is obviously on how the grail serves no purpose and those children should die and never be revived to "Honor their memory and suffering" absolute based made kirei look like good guy*
This is basically a Boss Fight where the only Option is to TANK THE FUCK OUT OF THE BOSS ATTACK while it loses HP inch by inch But oh god it was so awesome!
Breh, the coolest moment of the route is the point at which Shirou was having time leaps after removing the cloth. They were so well-made, reminded me of Tsukihime too.
Shirou yelling "Kotomine Kirei!" while playing this in the VN had more emotion than the entire fight scene in third movie. Before anyone starts saying "you cant expect a movie to perfectly adapt a 535626236 hours visual novel" that doesnt change the fact that Kirei vs Shirou was worse then even Kirei vs Zouken scene
I noticed that the voice acting wasn’t as intense during many scenes as well, it wasn’t anywhere near bad but some of Shirou’s screams from the VN still give me chills, the VN just had way better voice acting
+Joshua King Makes sense, good character design is dependent on the silhouette after all. And thats not even getting into the small details of the art style the key this in as a Fate CG in general
Two zombies, one held together by the swords skewering him. The other fueled by a fading ball of black magic instead of a heart. They will both die, but they beat each other to death anyways, surrounded by all of the evils of the world. Gentlemen, this is epic.
"As my body is destroyed, swords are created to keep it alive." Best fight in the entire novel. Nah... Maybe Shirou x Saber can equal that. Still, this fight shows how Kotomine was underratred in the other routes.
@@HerMi.T wow 9 years lol I mean, he is not really 'underrated'.... More like unexplored as a character. He is shown as being evil for the sake of being evil. This one scene explained how much of a complex character he is. At this point Fate Zero had not been written yet, so no one knew his past self. Great character, great novel.
@@TsukihimebrBlogspotAstralSword yeah, the main character is distorted, somewhat emotionless and empty human being who is obsses with helping people because it is the only way he can feel happiness. Because of this, this fight is fantastic because kirei and shirou mirrored each other.
@@TsukihimebrBlogspotAstralSword kirei's psyche force him to become evil but he is not evil. He didn't want to be a evil. He wants to be a good person by disregarding his psyche but he can't able do this. He didn't understand why he is exist in this world and why he is like this. He wants this answer from angra mainyu because he is the incarnation of all evil. On the other hand, shirou accept that he exists and he want to be a good person because he exists for it.
@@TsukihimebrBlogspotAstralSword yeah nine years ago, i don't even exist in youtube.😄😄 My first seen fate related content is Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works in 2019 and then fate zero. I first like zero more (ubw anime is also good). But when i read stay night visual novel. Then i like it even more than zero. Now i am very excited for third heaven's feel movie.
because this style isn't popular anymore. Fate's music sits in a weird mix of classical instruments, electronic effects and sometimes an electric guitar(that emiya theme). There are so many amazing tracks that never made it into the anime, like sonic barrage which screams 80s somehow
I don't think that's a bad thing. While this theme is very good, it wouldn't fit the battle in the anime. It fits the VN with all of the monologues but the anime is a different case.
nothing is better than two dying men trying to beat the shit out of each other in front of the literal all of the world Evil all the while arguing about the nature of Good and Evil.
How can a Visual Novel from 2004 (pretty sure) that has a very horny MC somehow have some of the best writing in fiction I've ever seen along with some of the best videogame soundtracks ever ?
It would be hard having a life similar to Shirou and not be even a bit horny, consiering who are his life companions. Besides, there's more to the story than just mana transfer.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 To be fair yeah, literally the best girls are all his acquaintances. And yeah, I know, I did play the entire VN, but it is part of his personality that he becomes horny sometimes.
@@thegamerfe8751 True, although he was a bit dense at times. His inexperience plus his mental issues did make him somewhat 'socially inept' to realize it at times. And most people tend to dislike the H-scenes for the writing. And I have to agree, they are weird. But Nasu never meant to make them in the first place. So that's that.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 I guess it's one of his qualities, Rin would probably say. Though I never took the H-scenes into account when talking about his horniness I also agree that they suck writing wise as far as what is said during them.
@@thegamerfe8751 Rin would say that, but not complain. In her route she might've seen somewhat reluctant but went along pretty quickly with it. Sakura had a long lasting crush on him, not accounting her 'condition'. Now Saber was a bit... weird, during the mansion part. Yes, it was a life-or-death situation with the hulking giant on their heels. Rin was in survival mode so she saw as normal (kinda of). Shirou was hesitant at first but then saw no other option. But Saber... she went full succubus when hearing about Rin's idea. It was somewhat out of character for someone like her. But to answer your other question, what else could they say when doing it? There would be just screams and moans with the occasional 'name calling'. But hey I'm not a hentai writter. What do you think?
fate route was a deconstruction of the "selfless hero" trope and UBW route is a reconstruction of the same trope, that was why the story felt "complete" after you finish UBW however, in the case of HF, it was supposed to be a deconstruction of "sacrifice everything for one person" trope. and there was supposed to be a fourth route (I think nasu mentioned it somewhere, i'm not sure)which was supposed to reconstruct the same trope(and romance illya...) but it was canceled due to deadline issues.
@@JohnPeacekeeper Yes pls. Need Caster route. I feel like if Caster helped Shirou figure out projection and amped him like she did Kuzuki, he could definitely take out Servants
Nasu really turns the usual main character who "does good for the sake of good" into "a distorted, somewhat emotionless and empty human being who is obsess with helping others because that's the only way he can feel happines." It made this fight more poetic since they both mirrored each other. And entire FSN I believe is just Nasu criticizing the theme of heroism, since he himself admitted he doesn't like the concept of heroism, not to mention there's a bad ending in HF in which you sacrificed Sakura to save the world and killed everybody mercilessly to win the war, and the bad ending is ironically called "superhero".
@@OsunaSi don't think any of the songs in the vn are really generic considering when it was made still even now that song wouldn't be considered generic and it was only played one time in the visual novel during the final fight
@@yourassistant981 not all the ost is, but i find this one generic. I felt like it was missing a punch, it felt like a 10-15 sec loop. I saw a lot of people complaining about this song not being in the movie and tbh, i dont think this song is better than any song that appeared in the movie. but i get the nostalgia points it might get with VN worshippers
Kotomine : "What a troublesome body, the one attacking has to risk his life." Shirou : "It is ... a price you had to pay to attack a body made of swords."
It's not so much Shirou getting his ass kicked, as it is him being punched while on the verge of death. The fact that his will allowed him to outlast Kotomine is nothing short of legendary.
Kotomine is one of my all time favorite villians, because he's just too bad ass not to be. Check him out in his prime in Fate/Zero. But even in this scene? He 'effing PUNCHES a man whose body is made of swords... several times! Balls of steel. Two men, one half dead and the other about to die, fighting hand to hand with no magic, just their wills. HF is not my favorite arc, but it has, in my opinion, the most epic final battle in the series.
To think that, even after tracing excalibur morgan, Shirou remembers about Sakura. His last moments are just to remember her. The only thing in his head at the very last, was Sakura :(
Played this route 10 years ago. Still remember how epic it was when I reach this part. Ufo did magnificent job adapting this, but still movie timeframe cannot show us how shiro slowly but surely losing himself, how his memory become corrupted bit by bit, how Sakura mess him so bad by sleeping with him, and many other scene. Its a slow burned story, but when all goes down, its one of the best finale I've ever had the pleasure of reading.
Matt Browning I knew a Catholic priest who was the jujitsu master who trained me. Awesome guy. His first lesson? Anything can be a weapon. Anything. Presumably, you can turn a pencil into a demon slaying weapon if your faith is strong enough. I honestly suspect he shoulder-throws demons for a living when not being in the cloth or training snot-nosed brats.
Matt Browning Well,I guess that bears the same question of why the Tohsaka family were knowledgable on chinese martial arts too (since Kirei's techniques where taught to him when he was Tokiomi's apprentice, before that his skills were those of an Executor,which he shows off earlier in the route).
***** Yeah,I was reading through that lately. Originally the Tokiomi's were supposed to be versed in Chinese martial arts which is whyI thought as much but that was changed later in supplementalmaterialand Fate/Zero.
***** Wasn't it the other way around? From what I remember, originally Risei used his Bajiquan mainly for meditational purposes, and it was Kirei who turned it into the organ smashing miracle.
Thanks for the awesome Quality of the OST of VN! For this reason I can dl them very well and now doing a Fan-Made novel with this OST with the Fate Series characters too! THank you! Helped so much!!!
People can go like this forever, the point is, they kept going on in the story and gave THEIR BEST against each other under terrible conditions. Best Climax Ever.
Oh Kirei, you badass... I loved this scene. Most anime ends with some epic battle, and this story was filled with a ton of them, but here - at the end of the story - there's just a knock-down, drag-out fight between two dying men, pointlessly being the shit out of each other.
I know there are far too many comments on how they butchered this scene in the movie but allow me to give my two cents. I see defenses about how it was still a great scene despite the cut content, and it was, the OST was on point, the animation great as always and the feelings carried from Shirou and Kirei were expressed perfectly, I didn't mind the whole Shirou getting hit in the face argument and anyone who dislikes the scene for it is clearly nitpicking. However, they did it injustice. This scene in the VN is not just great, it's amazing, it's poetic, it's what literally made me fall in love with Fate. It's the mirror reflection of two broken individuals that led lives not knowing what they truly wanted and pursuing empty goals and promises that led them and others to suffering, it sums up how the two are just two sides of the same coin, instead of being arch-enemies like Kiritsugu and Kirei, Shirou and Kirei share the same nature, and easily one of them could have ended like the other had they gone a different route in life. All expressed through Shirou and Kirei's dialogue. Having that immensely cut down is more than disappointing. I don't wish for the scene to last 30 minutes like in the VN but an extra 2+ minutes would have been sufficient, Ufotable really thought it was a good idea to give Dark Saber vs Rider more screentime than one of the best final fights in fiction. Like come on, you can't tell me 30-40 seconds of Shirou speaking to Kirei and thinking "I... like Kotomine Kirei" would have been too much for production.
Actually im glad they didnt add this song to movie. Considered how they handled that fight itself and how crap it was. Another plain and boring opera song fit it better lol.
@@skyworld5619 I wasn't grilling you. I didn't like it myself. Honestly I hated how it kept fading in and out of the background. Sudou doesn't seem to know how to actually structure a fight scene so overcompensates with spectacle. Then again, miura (or whatever his name is) is the fight director so it could be him.
There's a reason why people wanted this song in the movie, It's fucking good It also has to do with the presentation as well, Light and Darkness only plays during the second half of the fight, EMIYA in the first half with an interlude in the middle, right when this half of the fight starts, Light and Darkness loops back to the beginning of the song at 0:52, then when Shirou manages to get the upper hand on Kotomine the song finally continues past that point and breaks the tension it built up
@@user-kt9mz3hp1r ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hDPhbt2KnPo.html Someone has already done it, but they needed to add other scenes for copyright reasons I believe, idk
@@skyworld5619 I understand that you may not like Kajiura's compositions, and that's fine, but suggesting that she has a mental health disorder is not only a far leap, but also pretentious.
You know, if you take into consideration that: 1. Kotomine is an expert martial artist 2. Shirou STILL managed to block (some) of his attacks and counter with his own, then it is quite enough in my eyes :)
It doesn't get much manlier than a fist fight to the death with extreme injuries and staking your very ideals of life on the line. To me there are 3 scenes that will never be forgotten from FSN. Shirou vs. Kotomine (HF), Shirou vs Black Berserker and Shirou vs Archer. While there were a ton of other amazing scenes but those ones have been burned into my memory forever by the sheer amounts of GAR.
@@jefffgo7154 Unfortunately Sparks Linear High is so good without being a flashy fight that I don't think Ufotable will adapt it well. After all in the VN Salter Vs Rider was like less than a minute long while in the anime they spent most of their budget on that fight made Shirou Vs Kirei pure shit. But still, one of the best fights in the VN.
They could have just included the track as is in the movie with no remix and it still would have been better than the generic opera noise they always fall back on.
Kekjura has a bit of an ego it seems as she hates remixing anything but her own music. I don't blame her considering how good she is but it's rather annoying.
@@r.k845 Depends what do you consider as being good. After few songs you know its her because most of her songs sounds exactly the same or similiar to each other. Any songs from those 3 movies you gonna truly remember from her? Because i sure wont.
@@skyworld5619 Personally I loved the ost for all three films. I listen to them sometimes when I'm exercising or studying. I agree they sound very similar to other osts she has done like Kara no Kyoukai, but that's just her style and I think it suites the tone of the film's.
Kotomine was using that logic because he wanted to know IF someone like him (inherently broken) should be born. It was his way to justify his existence (something that tormented him).
*spoiler* -- --- ---- ----- When Illya talks to shirou at night in the park, you can choose to stand up for sakura or become a superhero. Pick superhero (it's a very short ending though)
If they do make an anime out of this route, I think it has the potential to be something great. Just imagine what they could do in the animation department with the budget they're using for Fate/Zero!
@AstralSword I agree. Kirei suffered from the same weakness Gilgamesh did. He was grossly overconfident. In Fate he knew Shirou knew no magic so he thought he had no way of harming him. He doesn't even move from his spot. In UBW he underestimated a Heroic Spirit's tenacity and will to live so assumed Lancer was dead already. Gil dies for much the same reason in all 3 routes.
The difference between the two of them, however, is that Emiya is not like Kirei anymore. He is fighting for Sakura, he has a goal. And that's the reason Emiya won. :P
@TheTruthOfPerfection A notable point, and well made. To even come close to HF in anime, the producers would have to cut a lot of corners for the sake of entertainment value. Not only does this mean we'd probably see some "filler" combat in fights like Shirou vs Berserker, but they'd probably pull the same stunt with the H-scenes as we've seen in other FSN animations (CG cobra for Sakura sex, anyone? :P).
Also, kotomine taking down A SERVANT by himself, reminding everyone why he was the victor of the last war. Or shiro taking saber on a 1 to 1. Or shiro killing the berserker 9 times with a single attack. This route was completely different to the others, Shiro finally ditching his superhero ideal in order to save the girl he loves. Everything kotomine did. And finally this ending. Its just to awesome and now uftable is animating it!
