I think carmine was actually a lot smarter than anyone thought. He stayed out of the war and everything else. He was living the life in Florida and in the end, he was rich, he wasn’t on the feds radar, and had no worries.
It's been floated that he even threw the sitdown on purpose, knowing exactly what bringing up Billy would do. In any case, Carmine Jr is undoubtedly among the most important characters on the show.
@@kcmule Watching in reverse, you definitely get the sense that he wasn't always on top of his game, BUT you get a clear sense that he learned over time how to play his own strengths and most importantly play on others weaknesses. You can see an almost straight line from his 1st appearances where he's double crossing Tony to kiss Carmine Sr's ass, to getting played by Rusty, to becoming a "failing" voice of reason that never gets blamed for long and that every one of the capos and bosses still listens to
I thought that too at first, but isn't that the same word, just plural? I mean it's not common parlance, but technically he could have said it this way without saying the wrong word.
@@helpIthinkmylegsaregone I assumed that the word he meant to say was “stigma”. As the guy below you said, “stigmata” is the act of bleeding from both palms mimicking Jesus’ wounds which obviously doesn’t make sense in that sentence.
I respect Carmine for thinking about Chris’s sobriety. Maybe one of the only people who considered Chrissie’s feelings. And you know.. one of the only emotionally mature people in the whole show.
That movie was 10x more beneficial for Little Carmine than Chrissy. Carmine got a big cut of the money, strengthened New Jersey ties including taking Anthony Jr under his wing, and all Chrissy got out of it was deeper into his drug addiction and tension between him and Tony for that and for the parallels between him and the evil boss. If you think that Little Carmine was playing the fool on purpose, then there’s a good argument for him helping Chrissy to sow dissent amongst the glorified crew.
Little Carmine was intelligent enough to back down and enjoy his money and life and family johny , Phil,Dock Santoro and Rusty ,the Hairdoo and a lot of other guys who couldent retire ende up dead very fast without enjoying the boss position and also lost money and family
The fundamental questions is will Ceerious be as effective as a boss as Borko was. And he will be. Even more so. But until he is ,it's going to be hard to verify that he'll think he'll be more effective.
Like Carmines father always said, a pint of blood is worth more than a gallon of gold.. Ceerious and Borko can have a two boss thing, Make it harder for the youtubee rats to file copywriter strikes..
"Brainless the 2nd" really cracked me up when I heard it first. By the end of the show though, I realized that Carmine Jr ironically seemed to have had the most brains throughout the whole series. He understood when to step back, lay off of the mob life, live a dream life back in Miami. Deadly rich, beautiful wife, not needing to live with the fear of being whacked in the struggle for the NY boss position. Also, the sitdown with Tony where he shares the dream of his father Carmine Sr 100 anniversary, about the empty box that he prompts his son to fulfill not by grabbing the gangster power, but by pursuing his own happiness - that was the moment when my admiration for Carmine Jr went off the charts. That scene showed how he had more than intelligence, he had wisdom. Excellent character development!
I won’t call this a sit down because of its negative inclementation. But this infighting between Borko and Ceerious is costing us uploads. I recommend wiping the slate clean, let bygones be bygones - the copy-write strike, whatever happened there …
This was a genius scene tbh. He realized Tony went all the way to Florida to get him to help sway carmine so carmine used the line he could see Tony as a son immediately got little carmine back on his side through jealousy. John's eyes narrowing when he screwed their plan over was brilliant
He knew exactly what he was doing when he brought up Phil’s brother and “whatever happened there.” Go back and watch the scene. He was deliberately provoking Phil and causing more tension between NY and NJ. Little Carmine is a down low genius. He’s a bit of a poseur if you ask me.
The Meeting of Minds scene's a complete masterpiece. The sheer fucking talent to get that timing and delivery, it's like a comic symphony played dead straight. Wow.
Always forget Carmine Jr is one of the few people that actually respects Chris’ sobriety. Funny how brainless the second was the only one that legitimised a man of Chris’ stature
Uncle Pat also respected Chris’s sobriety when him and that Animal Blundetto were on the farm before Tony got there. His exact words were “Good for you” to Chris
Lil' Carmin was the puppet master. Everyone thought he was stupid, like Freddo, while being the son of a powerful Boss (like Vito). The intentional malapropisms to lure those around him to believe he was harmless...He did it on purpose. Backed off, pretending he didn't even want to be Boss, then struck when everyone else relaxed and thought it was over...Including Tony. It was Butchie and Lil' Carmine that collaborate to take out Tony (= Jersey) to take it ALL for themselves. Brilliant! Brilliant for the character and the writing arc of the show. BEST TV SHOW EVER MADE.
Yea but he still talked like a moron when he and Christopher were trying to land Sir Ben Kingsley for CLEAVER. I don’t see how playin the idiot son helps anybody in that situation
Lil Carmines reaction to the news of his fathers stroke is some of the best acting in the show, he usually comes across as idiotic but his demeanour completely changes during the call and you get a sense he was intentionally behaving dumb in front of the other bosses to fly under the radar
"Reminsicent of Louis theeee sumthin. His minister, the sumthin built that chateau in Paris. The one that outshined Vursales" Wisdom like that does not come cheaply
@@lean.2366 Carmine Jr and Sr were both master tacticians in their own way. Carmine Sr never said nothing but everyone heard every word and made it happen. Carmine Jr said everything and nobody understood anything, until everything happens. But both had an unmatched mastery of the English Language that would make Shakespeare weep. Anyway, $4 a pound...
Rusty "We'll bulldoze John, we'll be welcomed as heroes, it'll be easy." Also Rusty *Random zip approaches his car in his own driveway after blocking him off* "Here let me help you find your way pal."
The most beautiful thing about this show is for true fans, then entire series is iconic. So much so, you can hear simply “you were warned, Lorraine”, and be taken back to the entire scene. Not Many shows paint every frame as masterfully as this one. Thanks for taking the time with this.
It's the greatest show of all time and I will defend that until I die. The acting, writing, sets... it's so believable you forget you're watching people acting because it feels so natural.
In only 20 seconds worth of dialogue (24:50 to 25:10) Jimmy Patrile delivers some of the best writing in the entire show That tennis match with those guys... my guy won The other one, the son, he dropped out He get hurt? Nothing like that, it's settled, that's all It feels so real; genuinely hard to believe that Jimmy was acting - the delivery was simply stellar It remind me of when Jimmy Conway in Goodfellas calls to find out how Nicky's (Pesci) Made Man ceremony went when he got whacked So much said, in so little words
One of the smartest characters on the show. His vocabulary could use some work, but by the end, he learned a lot. The scene about the dream was fantastic. Little Carmine had personal insight that Tony could ony dream of (no pun intended). Tony probably despised him for that.
Say what you want about Little Carmine.. the dude was a class act. Dropped everything once he heard about his Dad, was respectful of Christopher’s sobriety…. Just a nice guy. I’d totally help him with chores around the house.
Tony could have chose to be a 'Lil Carmine' who sits back and takes care of his family via legitimate business and savor some little of grace, but he's become more like his parents as he loves the dark-side of the lifestyle.
They way him and his dad just slaughter the English language is right up on a pedestal with Ricky from the trailer park boys. Best characters on the show
- Little C - using Rusty to get the top spot against Johnny Sacks while letting Rusty believe he was using Little C, gaining the support of Rusty‘s faction in the end even or because Rusty had to go - Little C using Doc Santoro to get rid of Phil, gaining the support of Doc‘s faction in the end when Doc had to go - Little C using Butch to get rid of Phil, getting Butch‘s support in the end when shooting for the top spot Just shows how effective as a boss he will be at the end of it when he gets rid of Butch using the Soprano‘s as a revenge for Tony‘s whacking
-Little C using the feds to get rid of Tony by the feds painting Tony into a corner and Tony ordering the hit on himself and filling the void left by Tony's death and Silvio's new life as a potato.
I am reminded of Don, whatevers channel... junior something... he built the best sopranos channel, it even outshone borko... in the end, borko clapped him in copy right strikes...
I miss James Gandolfini soo much. He is such a good actor and just makes any scene he is in much more captivating. I just finished watching Down the Shore. I also loved him and Hardy in The Drop.
The fundamental question is, will Ceerious be as effective as a boss? And he will be, even more so. But until he is, its going to be hard to verify that he thinks he'll be more effective.
The fundamental question is, will I be as effective as a channel like borko was? And I will be, even more so. But until I am, it's gonna be hard to verify that I think I'll be more effective.
I like how Jon doesn’t even acknowledge Sil “40 percent” comment. Shows that Jon is the next boss of New York. Similar to when Uncle junior didn’t acknowledge Jackie Jr in Richie meeting “is someone here, who’s that speaking”.
Little Carmine could've been an effective leader and boss, his problem was that he tended to either speak in nonsensical riddles which confused those around him, or he'd speak without thinking and inflame a situation even more than it already was.
@anonymouswatcher37 The best way to describe Little Carmine would be the latin phrase: "si, tacuisses, philosiphus mansisses", which means: "the unwise philosopher speaks without thinking". Or to put it another way: "if he kept his mouth shut they might've thought he was clever".
Watching it back he 100% instigated the Phil/Tony beef again on purpose. That was a sneaky power play and he hid behind the ‘oh me and my stupid mouth’ schtick that ppl just assumed it was all an accident. That gutted both crews at the end of the series and Carmine could just watch the chips fall
Watching Little Carmine I am reminded of Curly the...whatever..of The Something (Stooges?) ..he too was a 'wise guy', who was at the precipice of an enormous crossroad...
Brilliant. The way Lil’ Carmine completely switched up on Tony after hearing his father say “like a son” 😂, easily could’ve been interpreted as someone you looked at as a brother 🤦🏽♂️
Carmine Jr. was a genius! He was living a life of luxury in Miami while NY and NJ were blasting each other away, he was running legit businesses and he was not looking over his shoulder!
“You never thought you’d mutter those words, didja?” Carmine embraces his shortcomings as a person and image as the last kid picked in gym class. And calls back to Silvio’s earlier observation that sometimes individuals thrive as a #2 and should recognize that being a boss is not in the cards for them.
