Spot on, given the lower CG and how weight sensitive the cars are it could be a great mix up. As much as I am one wanting a new chassis the DW12/IR18 is going to be an icon for how flexible it has been.
This is the least excitiled comment I've ever read. They are just fine. We have lost the emotional excitement that Motorsport had in the V10 days of F1...
@@Clangokkunerso in the 21st century we’re supposed to not like loud engine sounds on a race car. Your the type that will build a house near a racetrack then complain about noise. Definitely not a racer, you sound like a liberal, just saying 😮😮😮
@@sulphurous2656 yes, but its leftist time... Vote right and we will get back to science, instead of ideology. :) Its the people, who want to believe crap... And you got to give it to them, it sound a lot better, than these F1 carrera cars. :)
Never understood why people thought it would change the sound. The hybrid is completely kinetically harvested from the drivetrain. It doesn’t interfere with the exhaust gases at all
@@MaLva500 If it's like the Hypercar/GTP cars in WEC and IMSA, the bigger danger is if the Hybrid system has a problem, and they need to extract the driver. In Prototype racing, they have to literally jump out of the car instead of stepping out as to not create a ground so they don't just... die. there will also have to be special gear to deal with the hybrid stuff because you cannot be touching the ground at all.
I think most of it was either based on what they head on Formula E or what we're seeing in F1. Even though F1 and IndyCar are going going to V6 turbo hybrids the way the engines are laid out and formed are two very different things. I guess this is why technology is so interesting.
For me, it was a mixture of F1 from the 80's TURBO Era and current F1 cars. And without a doubt, it sounds much better than today's F1. Congratulations to Indycar.
@@joaopinho2361 honestly V10s are what F1 needs right not. Not too much loss on power, big savings on weight, cheaper engine so more competition, more reliability since its simpler too, etc
@@R9naldo V10s and reliability can't be in the same room because they rev up to 19K RPM, they are simpler, sure, but remember that mechanical DNFs during that era is much higher than it is right now. I'm pretty sure it will be the same even now. Not that I don't like V10s but there's just nothing wrong with the current V6, it's the hybrid that making it look bad. This kind of sound is fine, F1 only needs to ditch the MGU-H and maybe increase the displacement a bit although by the time I wrote this comment, only the MGU-H that's gone, nothing change except that.
I’m a British f1 fan of 30 years but it’s got so boring. Where as Indycar is so competitive & so exciting. Can’t wait to see those new cars race next year.
Glad you've come to enjoy Indycar. I'm an American so I grew up with it and only got into F1 later. I don't understand people who think it's impossible to like both series because they each have their charms.
Indycars already sound great and hybrids won't change a thing. Can't wait to see these beasts fly with the extra horsepower. I'm sure they'll get to 190-200 mph on straights depending on straight length, downforce configuration.
Maybe if just trying to hear something different but to me, in addition to the typical sounds, it sounds like there’s a bit of that electric engine whistle added in? I like it. It’s definitely still raw and aggressive.
Its the same garbage, christ you'd think they'd like to do something different, really make 'um sing. But no, its the same vanilla crackers for another 15 years. Know wonder why this series is suffering and can't even put a full schedule together without double headers. Just keep doing the same.
I think that sound was already there, but we rarely get it from the onboard mics. it's from the straight cut gears. However, given it has MORE power on the gears without more noise from the motors, it could be louder indeed, but it doesn't mean it came from the hybridization.
They sound much better than the current Formula 1 hybrid engines. I really miss the glorious sounds of the 2.65 litre V8 turbocharged engines like the introduction sound of this video. The good old days of IndyCar!
I wish I had your job, traveling to hear what the new hybrid Indy cars sound like. It's like me going to my local gray haired Corvette club event and listening to the exhaust sounds from the guys who just installed the latest and greatest aftermarket exhaust system on their Corvette. You produce the best videos, love them all. Wish Formula 1 would take a little bit of whats happening in Indy Car and put it fourth to F1 cars, they still sound like "dust buster"
Sounds like an Indycar to me 🤷🏻 you can hear the electric components for sure, but it's buried underneath the V6. Anyone who was concerned should have figured out we had nothing to worry about when IMSA showed up with their hybrid tech this year
@@TheGamerzXChannelIndycar is nothing like F1. Cheap or otherwise. The only thing they have in common is both are open wheel. The series stands on its own and has no need to measure up. There are many things that advantage Indy over F1 just as much as the reverse is true. Will it ever be as popular as F1? Unlikely. Does it need to be? No at all. It has its own identity and it has a constant steady growth in popularity.
@@TheGamerzXChannelIndycar is not a cheap version of F1. They're completely different championships. It's like saying that hockey is a cheap version of soccer.
@@TheFrontyer By no means, ovals are the essence of the indycar. If there is something that distinguishes the indy from all other categories of formula cars, it is precisely the oval.
Marshall, with the Adoption of Hybrid Electricity in IndyCar; you are going to need to update your Terminology to: Combustion Engine & Electric Motor. You will need to Stop using Motor, for both. Thanks for your Racer Reporting. {Bill in CA}
Well... if you consider what this "hybrid" is indycar, its no different to KERS used during f1's v8 era, over 10 years ago. So like for like, no chance a 2.2 tt v6 compares to a 2.4 NA V8.
In fairness to Indycar that’s been driven by budgets. I agree but it would depend on teams being able to do to it and if they had the budget to purchase all new kit, and I think that’s partly the delaying factor, Indycar are worried about driving teams away who can’t afford it. However what I don’t want is a car that’s fallen behind in safety technology. Like you say, ten years of safety development would make a huge difference, they’d also be able to maybe blend the style of the aero screen into the chassis design a bit more. The new engine and hybrid package has probably pushed up costs by 20% over a year (or more) so maybe if this is stage one, a new chassis would be stage two?
In F1 and LMP1, the hybrid systems can also function as a replacement for the wastegate (MGU-H). That made the cars a lot quieter as the shaft of the turbo would just be regulated by a generator at target boost instead of venting excess pressure straight through the exhaust.
I'm a 90s baby....I don't mind how they sound but until they go back to the sound I grew up with.... 93-2000 900HP screaming mini-jets...won't truly suffice my wants and needs 😢
@CreamyCornCob I do like where the series is at from a excitement and on-track standpoint...but still feels like a little something is missing...keep the wind-screen on them..but it's gotta be a way to get the cars to get back to the 90s Reynard chasis look with updated safety features
@CreamyCornCob so continue on my 1st point...my biggest issue is schedule and lack of ovals...it's no way Michigan....Milwaukee...Pocono....Australia..and my biggest Cleveland isn't on the schedule.. especially with Roger being in charge...I thought since he took over he'd definitely be apt to bring some of those tracks back that made CART so great before and after the split...the field sizes are back strong again so that's covered..get the sound and tracks back mores races...then indycar I think would be back in popularity
I'll tell you what's missing. I'm someone as well who grew up watching much of CART/F1 in the mid to late 90's. An additional one or two engine manufacturers and chassis for IndyCar is what's missing.
Where are all the Brazilian drivers that are supposed to be in Indycar? Brazil has more winners in the series except for the US so it seems weird that Helio is currently the only one. If Felipe Drugovich doesn't get an F1 seat I hope he comes to Indycar. He was impressive in winning F2 last year.
I expect the sound transition has been less of an issue in Indycar given it moved back to turbos slightly earlier than F1 and even while using NA engines the revs were a lot lower. Meanwhile in F1 they moved from 18000rpm NA engines to 15000 turbos that rarely get above 11-12000 for efficiency reasons, so the change was way more jarring.
It’s sounds good. Just like what I imagine an IndyCar sounds like. Only thing I really don’t like about hybridization is it almost always raises costs by a decent amount
Excellent news! Sound to me is a vital component of the spectator experience, and I am very happy that they sound basically identical to the current cars.
Right. 😮💨Thats why MP spent nearly a third of the video talking about the sound. You say its all about the engine, MP never talks a word about it, no description - nothing. He talked more about the sound then its performance, differences or anything. So you're wrong on both. @@brucebruce7816
@bmoney2011 ok Mr over dramatic. You mean like Jeff Krosnoff at Toronto? We’re getting way off topic the video, but Indy is the most dangerous track in the world with 230 mph speeds, square corners, and a pit wall that extends into the racing track. With your logic the 500 should be cancelled.
Still sound better than 'Current' F1. They just need to rev higher. Say around 18K + RPM's an we'd be in the money $$ But I get it, reliability on the ovals. and what not...
I Hope one day IndyCar need a new chassis to accommodate with even more downforce from ground effect in the same manner as an F1/F2 car and 9X8 LMH, like 80% of the downforce come from the ground effect while only 20% from wings, but careful of porpoising.
they sound almost the same but in a great way. something I noticed but they sound very similar to the twin turbo V6's in F1 but a little more of a higher pitch which is amazing.
lmao i love how all these videos always use the sound samples from the racing series' back catalog. like marshall says, they sound the same haha. they still sound good, but if only indycars sounded like the 90s screaming monsters...
I agree no sound has been lost, but there’s something extra in there I can’t quite describe. Or maybe it’s just the audio quality of this video. Hard to say unless you’re actually there, but I’m hearing something that I’ve never heard, even in other videos of the current cars.
I have not been to that many IndyCar tracks but the Toronto Molson Indy led the league in sound. As you entered the grounds you are walking right past the Princess(?) Where they have almost slowed to a stop to do their run up in a straight line all the way to a super tight right-hander where there's only room for one car.. they are barely moving.. the consequence is that they are working themselves all the way through the gears as quickly as they can to as fast as an Indy car can go and then almost as quickly downshifting all the way through the box in about 10 seconds. The song of those 1990s Ilmors winding it all the way up and then instantly downshifting all the way through the gears pop pop pop pop pop RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU was an absolute "eargasm" and exhilarating in the extreme.
Imagine Mercedes-Benz coming back to IndyCar after their debut long in 1994. After all, what used to be Ilmor Engineering is now known as Mercedes-AMG High Performance Powertrain.
One thing I realized. Hey, F1 fan friends, the engine running at 21000 rpm, 17000 rpm is weird. Currently, the V6 is around 15000 at most. No wonder you think the engine sound is broken. Look at the IndyCar, hybrid intervention doesn't make much difference at that level. So does WRC. F1 had an unusually high rev.
That's how F1 will sound in 2026 after the removing of MGU-H :) ngl both F1 and Indycar already sound good but Indy is a bit more raw and mechanic and that's why the tone is better, F1 open wastegate is a lot louder tho. That was my experience trackside in person, I'm excited for the 2026 regs because I think we will see the tone of Indy in the loudness of F1
I don't mind the hybrid engine. But please, don't screw things up like F1 did and is still doing. Don't come up with a stu*** DRS system. Don't come up with a stu*** dynamic wing system that penalizes who's in front, like FIA is trying to implement in F2, and then F1. And, most especially, don't penalize drivers for racing, like F1 does. Let them race.
They don't sound quite the same- you can hear some kind of whine coming out, but it honestly sounds more raw as a result. Definitely a better sound than the V6 F1 cars.
Everyone keeps saying hybrid engines is the only way NASCAR will expand competing brand names. Yet here’s IndyCar with 2 brands. Sorry, don’t think so. NASCAR’s gotta capture a bigger audience again if it wants more brand names.
They should really start to build new chassis and engines. I mean they run basicly an 12 year old chassis and engine this year. It isnt even intercooled! And HPD have shown how you could integrate the Intercoolers without packaging problems.... Indycar is good sport. But their cars are frankly just a rolling museum.
Many many decades, road course fan- Racing closely since the mid-70s I saw them in person at Long Beach…. They all sound the same, sound isn’t soul stirring. 1980s 1.5 L turbo charged in-line fours and V6 is sounded far more impressive.
I hate that the indycar videos with him are 90% him talking. Like that power and Dixon video during the hybrid test. He kept telling us what they said when they can SHOW what they said
Odd that people were so worried about this when IMSA didn't lose any sound (Like that was ever gonna happen) and WRC sure as hell didn't (if anything, they gained MORE sound). From what I'm hearing so far, its pretty much just reaffirmed to me that all the paranoia was nonsense and if anything has added just abit more individual character to each engine (The Chevy seeming to have a resonance not too far off the Renault while the Honda is unsurprisingly what you'd expect if you've heard their F1 and IMSA engines, though it also manages to sound abit close to old Champ car too).
