£150 vs £250, Sold Secure Bicycle & Motorcycle Diamond. What does that extra money get you- which one is more angle grinder proof and which would I buy?
My D1000 has been functioning as expected for a month now and I'm SO glad to have it. Kryptonite served me well for the last 30 years, but grinders finally made their flagship product, the NY Fagedaboudit almost useless.* So it's the D1000 now for me. I also own an Altor SAF lock and have had it for three years. It, too, is VERY grinder resistant. However, at 13 pounds, very bulky, but with VERY limited internal space, it's a challenge to use. It's fine for the "locking up at the same spot everyday" scenario, but not for carrying. The D1000 internal dimensions match the Kryptonites I've been using and suffice to catch the rear wheel between the stays, or through the head or seat tube with ease. *Not totally. I have plans to "beef up" the four NY locks I own with supplemental steel pipe filled with concrete to thwart grinders. That way I can continue to utilize these quality locks and send thieves to greener pastures.
You are better off using a steel pipe then cut up smaller rings of steel inside. The steel rings inside will constantly shift as they adjust their grinder. If you spring load them everytime they cut new material will appear.
@@TechExpertHub Great minds think alike! I've thought of this option. Even using bearings to make sure the outer sleeves just spin. But one could cut sideways, or bash them to stop the spinning. Or cut sideways to make that less effective. I figure if the inner sleeve is filled with concrete, that will eat up disks and make a mess before the scumbag even hits the hardened shackle. We'll see.
I see from this video the X1 is bigger than the D1000 and the X3 is bigger than the x1. The x3 is too small to go on many bike wheels so what use the d1000 is to most riders, I don’t know
The larger the shackle, the weaker the lock. This lesson was learned in the 80's. You want the smallest ulock you can effectively lock with. That's why the D1000 has so little room inside. Not done by mistake. That said, a LITTLE more room would be welcome by most consumers.
I've got a d1000 and have a motorbikr, issue is it won't go round front tyre so has to go around wheel alloy which if they were to angle grind they would just cut the spoke out and bypass the lock in seconds . The d3 once available will just about fit so much better in that respect
Just bought the Litelok x1 BSB version. Went for that over the hiplok due to more wider opening even if it does make it harder to mount to the bike. A lock that you cannot even secure it to something is just a heavy paperweight.
Looks good but what is really needed is a change in the laws that favor the victims and give zero recourse to the thief if they happen to get sent to the hospital after they were caught stealing
the new x3 is going to be the one to get, not much difference in strength but its longer and easier to attach for motorbikes, pre ordered it, hopefully comes in next couple of months
Think the actual destruction testing of the X3 shows it as the best verses hiplock and has the advantage of keeping jobs in the UK rather than shipping them to China. Always a plus point. However the x1 is brilliant where budget is tight .
@@cggg490 sure the people drawing a wage and paying tax in the UK would happily give that up for some Chinese kid. Weight difference if any is miniscule and probably means more metal to cut through. As for looks? Wtf.. no ones bought a shackle lock because its pretty, they've bought it because it may save their bike from being stolen
Just received my LiteLok X1, 7 or 8 days after placing order. Looks and feels very substantial. Like the white reflective elements. Bought a pipe bender this morning, so I can build a dedicated rack for it.
I also got the D1000. This is likely the best U-lock money can buy - so its fair to exspect a lot. It feels a bit lower quality than a crypronite lock - Has more wiggle when closed. I hope that the parts where the locking mechanism is, is also grinder-resistant! I saw noone tesing it sadly. Some pick-resistance matters - as in no dumb, low-skill attacks should work. Since its a now product i am scared of design flaws.
3-5 minutes to open the X1 doesn't sound like much compared to the 20 of the D1000, but I really think that is not particularly relevant. No thief is going to use multiple grinder discs on your lock if other less secure bikes are around.
If for a motorcycle, you can really only realistically go on the wheels with a u lock, the other options like a break lock but its only a deterrent, cut the break cable and it's useless
i've been waiting for the Hiploc D1000. It's finally arriving on the market, but then all of a sudden there is the Lightloc X1. Now, the question is what lock should I choose??? Thanks to you providing this video, I'll go for the D1000.
I think the LITELOK X3 (the more substantial version would be more of a comparison (although it’s not launched yet) my concern is the X1 can be cut through in a couple of minutes , whereas the Hiplok D1000 takes considerably longer and that matters. We’ve all seen videos of thieves cutting through locks with grinders in broad daylight. So for me the longer a lock puts up a fight the better.
I had a kryptonite U lock and my e-bike got stolen within a week. Left it locked up outside for an hour and it was gone. Luckily I had a tracker in the bike and the police found it in the thief’s house. But I’m never buying a standard lock again. I’m fact I’ll probably get one of these Hiplocks and a second standard U-lock with a cable just to scare away thieves
So nice you used a tracker and got your bike back! A little victory in the bike theft war!!! Litelok has $50 off if you pre-order their lock right now. I own and Altor SAF, two D1000's and STILL think I may pick up an X3. I'm a lock fanatic! Good luck and keep those steeds safe!
@@dudeonbike800Ich bin auch so Paranoid und sichere mein 10000€ Bike mit4 Schlössern. Nutze HiplokD1000, Litelok X1, Litelok X3 und TexLock 2.0 in Kombination sowie GPS. Ich hoffe da beißen sich potenzielle Diebe die Zähne aus.
I'm here looking for a lock for my brother, he just had his $2000 dollar scooter stolen, he had two locks on it. I don't think the D1000 will fit his replacement scooter.
@@Omar_-5 On my brothers there was a pass through the wheel and disc brake rotor, then a chain from that to a post... but, low quality hoop lock was cut in seconds. My brother isn't the brightest guy, which just makes it sadder really, that scooter was his pride and joy. That's why I want to get him a better lock... but nothing is 100% guarantee, if someone wants to steal something bad enough, they will.
Ive bought a D1000 because I see it as buying insurance. This will deter any opportunistic bike thieve making them move to the next one. if you love your bike protect it.
Very true, but most thieves will not be cutting down public infrastructure like lightposts or electrical poles down. That will get way more attention on them than the bike.
Grinder resistant locks are a step forward, but a determined thief in a private location, may instead opt to cut the pole, fence or rack the bike is locked to rather than wasting time trying to cut through a very grinder resistant lock. Park out where everyone can see, try not to park long, and see if your workplace will let you store your bike inside. Sometimes they will vandalize what they can't steal.
As someone who knows a guy that used to steal bikes, he said that he would look for whatever was the best bike with a lock that he could have off in 20 seconds. He said of these sorts of locks, if he was still a thief and he saw a rack with a £1,000 bike with one of these on it and a £500 bike with a lock that he could cut quickly he would just ignore the more expensive bike completely. Regarding vandalism, he said that professional thieves don't do that, you aren't getting paid for the crime so why waste time, and that only young scrotes are stupid enough to do this, but at the end of the day cut cables and slashed tyres are far cheaper to replace than a frame, so these locks still really do make a difference.
It might be better to go for the x1 purely for price. After an attempted theft with a grinder, all will have to be replaced, but the d1000 and x3 will cost you significantly more every time someone tries.
Although the idea of an anti-grinder lock sounds great, what use is it on a D lock?? Without the lock being big enough to lock TO something solid, can't the thieves just toss it in their van and figure out how to open it later?? Am I missing something here?
No. They’re commonly used in motorcycles to prevent the bikes being pushed away. Motorcycle theft is primarily done via the push away method. A lock that prevents the helps. You could say that about all preventative security. No security is full proof.
4 inch thick bike lock or parking meter is plenty secure! You think anyone's going to angle grind through a four or five inch thick metal pole parking meter? That would take at least half an hour! And you're messing with city property which is another serious crime! The whole point is just to make it not worthy effort! There's going to be plenty of bikes that don't have these locks that they will go after
@@kfkwAL7 I found it don't worry ! It's from "Wayne locksmith" channel 12min long. He used 3 disks and 2min30s to cut it one side with a non-battery angle grinder. (he's also a professional user of angle grinder so he have good technique)
@@kfkwAL7 Good one too, it seems good enough as I have a second U lock from hillock that is supposed to be resistant for 2min to angle grinder (hiplock DX)
@@kfkwAL7 with the way we designed our lives to be dependent to China for a long time, I know it’s hard. Most probably it says made in UK but in reality components wise it’s likely 75% made in China. But at least I can try to convince myself that the 25% is not coming from slave like labour and indirectly supporting the continuous bullying of the tyrant CCP. Honestly with how CCP is behaving, I always try to avoid any product that says made in china as much as possible even if I have to pay more for the alternative ones.
@@kfkwAL7they have now I got one sped up on cutting tests it outlasted the D1000 by 4 minutes took D1000 to cut on one side 8 minutes and the Super Extreme 2500 it took almost 13minutes to cut one side.
I’ve got the litelok and am satisfied with it even though it can be a TRILE to put on the rear tire and frame of my Grizzly Rider …. I’ve also got two alarms .. I am seriously considering the D1000 but it looks as though there’s even less room to put it on the front area of the bike …. I may end up purchasing a GOOD chain lock too … even though I’ll dread lugging around that extra weight
If you like your bike and D1000 so much then you need to watch this video (shorts) and invest in different types of security devices. "Ezarc Metal Master cutting a graphene reinforced lock Hiplock D1000 in 33 seconds." 🤷♂ I also found in one comment in other video guy saying his bike was stolen and lock was defeated with "one" hammer blow. Also D1000.
someone just took a hammer to the corner of my D1000. and the lock mechanism fell to shit. Who cares if an angle grinder can't cut it. The lock mechanism is shit. My Ibis rips carbon with carbon rims is gonzo....lock mechanism sucks.
Sent mine back, it's about as big as my iPhone is! Ordered an X1 instead as it's actually useable. Also, the D1000 rattled like it was unlocked all the time 👀
@K FKW what's your best practice to avoid thiefs putting their angle grinder on the thing it's attached to instead? I don't think they would have any shame cutting through public property (like a bike rack on the streets)
You put it through your wheel, spoke or disc. Both are too small to put round a motorcycle and a pole for example. I suppose you could on a bicycle however, no lock is 100% full proof, but it’s about being a deterrent.
@@kfkwAL7 I was thinking about for bicycles.. but in both cases (motorcycle and bicycle) the threat is that they come in a van, pick it up and worry about the lock in their garage full of tools & with enough time, later. That you obstruct the turning of your wheel does nothing in this scenario, so that's why next thing im thinking about is the object you may secure your bike to, with an 'angle grinder resistant' lock. As far i can think there's only virtually 98% security (1% lost to lockpicking, and 1% to thiefs with the guts to grind in public for over 20 mins) if local governments start to invest in placing bike racks made of Ferosafe/Barronium as well
Lock it to a tall post, the higher it is the harder it fall, if it causes enough damage or disruption the police will take it more seriously since it's no longer just a bike theft
I haven't had any HUGE issues with this lock yet! ru-vid.comUgkxfyHDlEqk6hqu9acdvK5NGzZsGKSokSbv It seems sturdy and like it will get the job done. I really like that it has a twisting lock feature to keep out dirt and debris. However, the mounting system is much too light for the lock, and continues to get loose/move around. It's mostly made of plastic parts, and I've had to tighten it a few times in the past week or so that I've had it. I'm worried that it's going to break off at some point while I'm riding. I'm considering just scrapping that part, but that would mean having to carry the heavy lock i my backpack and adding more weight. I wish I could have given this more stars, but without the mounting system, it's just another heavy lock that I have to cart around. UPDATE: Increased rating to 5 stars because the seller offered to provide a new lock and mounting system. Really appreciate the attention to customer service!!
@kfkwAL7 I wouldn't mind buying one for that price but my pushbike is worth £300 and now £1000 with a bafang electric motor on it, I find it hard to pay 25% of the full price just to lock it up safely, that is bonkers although in this day and age very necessary. For motorbikes I understand as they cost a few £££ but in comparison that would be 5% of the value of the motorbike to secure it. That is more reasonable in my opinion. Thanks for your reply mate 👍
@bobmarley2140 If I buy a lock for £10 my bike is secure. If I use a £300 lock, my bike is still secure. However if you lay for a £300 lock your bike is probably worth £1000, £2000, or £3000. If they can't guarantee that your bike won't be stolen then what is the point? If you have an expensive pushbike it will be insured anyway so it doesn't matter how much you spend on a lock
@@mike-ology22 If you buy a £10 lock your bike is most definitely not secure I've ripped those cheap combination locks off with my bare hands and for a start insurance companies won't even insure you on a high value bike unless you've got one of these diamond rated locks and if they do the premiums and excess are high bringing us back to the point of why these are worth it, the likelihood a thief is going to change cutting disks before someone catches them is low and spending 25% the value of something to protect that said thing is very sound logic
I bought a Litelok X 1 and It seems to be a solid, but unfortunately it rattles very loudly within its holder when riding over bumpy ground. I sent this video (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YGSPQXZ_t8Q.html) to the Liteok-Support and they said, that this is a normal behavior and they will not exchange it: "Our engineer has assured us that there is some movement built into the product itself which is required for smooth operation of the lock, and to ensure it securely locks every time. This appears as an audible noise in every D-Lock..." So I send the lock back and bought an ABUS!
I've got a D1000 and that rattles a lot! Most locks do - don't see the big deal really. I'd much rather have a lock that rattles a bit than an Abus that can be cut by an angle grinder in 30 seconds
Have you seen John from Bennetts has done a full review of X1 & X3 - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUwjh8J4uec.html Compares them to the Hiplock at the end as well.
ist man Paranoid wenn man sein Bike mit 4 Schlößern sichert? Nutze HiplokD1000, Litelok X1, Litelok X3 und TexLock 2.0 in Kombination sowie GPS. Ich hoffe da beißen sich potenzielle Diebe die Zähne aus.
If your wanna park it while camping or on dirt buy a metal ground anchor that screws into the ground, then lock your wheel on top or sides it close enough sho the can't untwist it and would have to resort to digging out the anchor, on top of that with the lock around the wheel they can't roll it away and would have to lift it onto a truck, pair that with a hardwired gps and maybe even a 20$ movement alarm and that's guaranteed that your bike will be the last option
Una cubierta de acero que tape la entrada de la llave ,que solo puede ser abierto con la llave de la cubierta, ,como de las chapas ,el ladrón ya no tendría ventaja ni para ganzuar ,porque no hay por donde ingresar la ganzua, doble seguridad .
Why is everyone obsessed with a lock being pick proof? I don’t know one incident of a bike being stolen with the lock being picked. The whole point of an an anti angle grinder lock is exactly that.
Lock Picking Lawyer (LPL) has made everyone smug experts on lock picking. "Just wait 'till LPL picks it in 20 seconds!" they all shout with glee. But scumbag thieves don't pick locks. It's a moot point. This is THE lock to own and use if you're locking in the worst areas and want to keep your bike.
@@kfkwAL7 well I do. My lock was picked (abus bordo), one of my friends also got her lock picked (at night I think). In Paris people do not care, you can just sit there in the street picking a lock for 20 minutes and nobody will move a finger.
@@tanguy4235 genuinely surprised someone would pick a lock on a bike, It takes years of practice and skill, not to mention tools, seems a waste of a skill! There are anti pick locks available
@@kfkwAL7 I guess someone focusing on picking just the more popular locks can, given enough time, make it a viable alternative to the angle grinder. Plus with that mindset of "no thief ever tries to pick a lock", some lock manufacturers have become very lazy in their designs.
