The qj fold there probably prints. Not enough ppl bluff raising with ak. If we assume he’s checking back a 10, & he doesn’t have 6-7clubs, our Ac leaves only 108c and 98c as flushes. This is likely the worst hand he shows up with using that turn size.
The caller says he has a nitty image. He has blockers and played the hand like it was all the nutted hands. Blocks most boats, blocks nut flush. It's a great bluff spot for him.
I think the reason he folds is because he knows everything you don't have. He knows you don't (less likely) have AcXc, he knows you don't have Jacks, not Queens, so in his head all that is left is off suit pairs of Aces and Kings he doesn't give you credit for being able to bluff this and of course he is thinking a straight or flush just calls which is what he was hoping for. In his mind if you call he has you beat and if you raise he is beat
Most 1/3 players only make this move with AA or KK, sometimes AJ, but mostly just AA. Villain actually made a fold that will usually be correct at these stacks against a hero, that as he said himself, has earned a nit image. Villain bluffed the turn because of your nit image, then he value bet the river, then he made a pretty good fold that just wrong this time. Nice hand.
That’s not a bad fold at all. With what he is representing is aces full , kings full, ace jack or pocket queens being the preflop aggressor. You have any of those hands the hero will be playing it exactly the same way . Good fold if we are not results oriented
@@frankringwald4315 u do want to overfold in lowstakes live but not on boards like this where fish can easily over value their hands. yeah theres a lot more boats than QJ but youve also got obvious straights, obvious flushes, obvious and obvious trips that 1/2 players could easily overvalue. Granted in this case i dont think anybody is overvaluing trips. but i could see certain player types overvaluing straights and i would expect _most_ 1/3 players to overvalue flushes
@@frankringwald4315 agreed. This line Hero took is very very very rare for 1-2 1-3 games. It's super under bluffed as a check raise and 99% the nuts. If it was a donk jam, that's a different story
If you're not bluff jamming on the end here with the Ac, I think you end up under-bluffing spot given all the hands you could be jamming for value. Not sure that getting guys to fold boats is something you can count on going forward though.
Villain makes a stupid turn bet when he beats nothing the hero will continue with, then bet folds when he catches his miracle river that beats most of hero’s range
im usually wrong, but im proud that I actually thought that blocking the 2nd/3rd nutts would actually be a decent play to make a 2/5 player fold a 10 or a baby boat.
I think this river play is 100% villain dependent. Imo, almost every single opponent is either way over calling or way over folding to this river jam. Very few can do it correctly. If villain is a good player and capable of folding, I think he will fold basically everything since hero has a dominant nut advantage here and this play prints. If villain is not, he will call basically everything. The trick is to work out the difference so I’d need a little bit of history with the player to attempt this play at low stakes.
Ez fold QJ. I like Bart a lot and his poker is decently good. As someone who comes from a GTo background I can tell you that for some reason in all of your videos you take the nitty route. Live poker vs semi competent players overbluffing prints, they underdefend and in 2023, in Europe, bluff is the new value bet. Well played hand by both. Folding QJ there at some frequency is not that bad. Stop being a nit Bart!
I had a similar situation where a nit check raised me on the flop and I min raised her with AA and she folded middle set, lol. Of course the min raise was wrong (I was tilting) but hahaha folding full house here just wow.
Are you sure V did not have KQ? (both KQ and QJ are face cards...so, when get excited you might think: ohhh, my...this guy folded a full house! instead of 2 pairs). You know, when a cat looks in the mirror it usually sees a lion in. 🙄
Yeah, agree it's rare. I play there, too. A lot of loose calls. Still, some guys are capable of making hero folds in extreme situations. You could see hero playing a straight flush or top or middle set as a check on the turn, then go for a x/r on river after villain bets turn, especially with the high hand in play. Going for a x/r on the river with the nuts is kind of fishy, so if villain is a good 2/5 reg, he might think it's something hero would do.
This makes no sense. Why is villain betting bottom 2 on the turn with a 4 liner and 3 clubs lmao? Is he trying to set his price so he gets checked too on the river? I'm not buying it.
Any professional poker player should be able to make better adjustments to a highly exploitable population than a solver, since a solver does not seek to exploit, but to be un-exploitable. To put it differently: A solver would of course win against a bad player, but a good exploitative poker player would win more.
No kidding. I’ve been called off by a 4 card straight on the river more than once there. Some of those players don’t know the difference between poker and Yahtzee and if the cards look good they aren’t folding
I think I hate every post-turn decision hero made. Question on flop though: can you really get away with betting large? We have all the high pairs and two pairs absolutely crushed and covered, so we’re trying to do a whole lot of dragging bottom pair, gut shots, or pair/gutshots along, so it feels like a small bet does that job? A greedy halfpot small bet live sizing. What calls a full turn bet here? I also don’t really see how we can ever ever be good on the river here, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What is villain doing betting on turn and folding on river and what a crazy bluff to pull off on the river on that board. I’m never folding that boat, just going to have to go down with the ship.
On the flop when he has bottom pair AND a straight draw and just calls a $30 bet, or on the turn when he has 2 pair and follows his opponents check with a < half pot bet, or on the river when he hits a boat, and again follows his opponents check with a < 2/3 pot bet? I'm not being snarky, I'm just trying to learn more.
@@ZzZ-qd1zo The concept is called 'implied odds', because of the implication of winning your opponents entire stack relative to the current bet you are facing. On a board like this the implied odds are 0 because if you hit your straight it'll just be too obvious. Your opponent is going to completely shut down and the hand will likely be over. Which brings us to another similar concept, "reverse implied odds". That means even if you actually hit your hand, you could be dead. Opponent is chasing a straight but there's a flush draw out there too. If he hits his straight, hero could have a flush, and now he's really screwed. Now the implied odds actually shifted back to hero and villain is playing to lose all his chips by investing a hand that will self-destruct. Ultimately you always want to be thinking about winning stacks, not winning pots. When you call a bet you need to think about how your hand is going to look on the river, not just "oh it's only $30 on the flop. I can all that".
Feels alot like betting QJ on the turn was setting up a river bluff to get As, Ks, and AK to fold. I think if the rivers a brick, and hero checks. Villain betting on the river should be a fold alot
At least in theory, with this board, villain can bluff a lot and get folds from a lot of one-pair and two-pair hands. Especially at 1/2 or 1/3, if people know villain is a 2/5 or higher stakes player, intimidation can play a role. That said, a lot of 1/2 and 1/3 players just can't fold top two, and will talk themselves into thinking opponents are always bluffing on scary boards where straights and flushes are possible. I think villain was more likely just betting for value with bottom two when hero shows weakness by checking turn. If hero bet turn, villain would have just called, then bet or raised river. It's only because hero checked turn and x/r on river that villain can believe he's beat.
Specific to live, if there is a big High-hand bonus you can get essentially infinite value from the Tc. You could litterally shove and get paid because people aint never folding an open ended strait flush draw. And, with us holding the A, he has one out. I would have smashed tbe turn, because you ONLY get raised by the ONE strait flush combo, and even THAT might slowplay. The next highest is th 9 high and it isn't being raised. That said, haven't seen the rever yet. Perhaps I would be owned too.
Tc drawing to 1-card straight flush, doesn't get any high hand bonus. Both cards in hand must play, everywhere that I know of. You just win the pot not the prize.
Value betting that $50 on the turn seems like the obvious right move, have no idea why you’d slow down here with the nut flush draw and top boat outs. You’re going to get straight odds to call on many value raises plus there are bluffs PLUS PLUS it helps you realize value on the river.
@@EfficientRVer You do not need to use both hole cards for the High Hand at Rivers, nor at Parx. I think you're thinking about the Bad Beat, which does require using both hole cards.
Why is the caller talking like folding QJ was a good play and most people will call there and that is why the games are good? You absolutely cannot fold QJ in a situation where you are calling 465 to win 944 with the previous action.
In a live 1/3 game you most certainly should given the action. No one is staking off in that spot with a missed flush or worse. They are either folding or making a crying call. Low stakes live players don’t bluff enough. Low stakes live players rarely go for thin value on river. The conclusion seems pretty straightforward.
@@ItzLikeWhaa It’s not a good play for villian to fold QJ there at any stakes. I can care less if low stakes is not bluffing as much. I am talking specifically how the caller said his strategy was that at low stakes they aren’t good enough to fold QJ there. My point is good players don’t fold QJ in this spot. Also playing 2-5 as a opposed to 1-3 doesn’t mean you are a better player. Beating lower stakes live games revolves around doing the basics, not exploiting based on peoples perceived skill level based on what stakes they normally play in.
That’s the exact hand that I thought he had too. Hero has almost 0 bluffs as a competent player. Yes, I’m folding QJ to a good reg, that I don’t think would bluff like this at this level.
Bart, what do you think about the people with the weird brain type of hat sees things differently than most? We make plays outside of theory but we tend to win. In higher stake games would we struggle?
its interesting to me that we look at folding QJ here as much much crazier than folding a flush or a straight, but really they're pretty much the same hand. hero is never doing this with a straight or flush, so QJ doesnt beat any more of hero's value hands than a straight or flush does.
Wrong bro full house is not a bluff catcher in this situation… he’s beating all the flushes the straight and the way hero played it does NOT say I have a set on a well connected board with a straight out there and a flush draw no one especially preflop raiser is checking a set on the flop with that board texture .
