I like hands with people that play against each other regularly. Built up hate. Who is your nemesis Bart? A guy that you out play but then he gets you.
I love how these 5+ minute tanks just get casually mentioned on here... I've never seen one that long at a 1500 max game, especially not from a competent player, plus the longer tanks I've seen lately are facing weird check raises or in a double board holdem bomb pot.
This was a really cool call, Bart. A little awkward to be on the receiving end of deception, but as the host all you can do is take people at face value. This was interesting and fun.
A good trick to remember your suites is to always have your highest card on top. If it's a pocket pair go in suite order. So if you have Jc & 9d you say to yourself "club diamond". This memory technique always works for me. I never look back.
If you bet quarter pot on the flop that’s about $180. Pot will be $1100 with only about a pot sized bet left. So size are you barrelling on the turn? Has to just be a jam right? Don’t see how there can be any decision left on the river.
7:15 “the only thing that interacts is QQ” So V should never have AQ or KQ? Is that because those hands don’t 3-bet or because they fold to the 4-bet? Because I’m not sure either is true in reality, player dependent of course.
1/3 on flop and shove turn makes more sense. 1/3 flop will fold out some hands so you aren't constantly risking as much as your stack, and it also sets of for a deeper SPR turn shove which is harder to call.
I didn't run a solver and take a long time to run although there are ways of locking strategy so you can have a hand in a certain spot still evaluate but either way I ran it through pokersnowie which of course gave those callers all more credit for having hands than they really should have so it didn't want you to 4bet it actually wanted you to fold preflop if you can believe that LOL but ignoring that actually like your check on the flop like the call on the turn and says to call River 66% of the time and fold 34% of the time for break even EV given the reality of the population in the fact that the big blind probably 3bet wider to get out those callers as well I think a call would be reasonable but its close either way ( population probably plays many suited hands).
I’m surprised Bart overfolds this river in a 4b pot holding the A❤ against a polarizing bet that’s mostly flushes or nothing. There’s barely any flushes V can have here, so unless he’s shoving thinly with QQ/AQ, I would be very suspicious of the river shove here.
Folding river I understand as it is an ambitious bluff and they should have a fair bit of value as long as they are jamming AQ+ instead of being truly polar. Checking back flop feels like the main mistake. That said if you are playing passively until that point BB can't have many flushes here without the A or Q and 3-bet pre depending on the friend dynamic you probably need to get curious at least occasionally.
Hey Burt, I have an unrelated question. The terms blockers. Besides an Ace, should we considered anything else? And is it more cons than pro to considered?
Having Ah here I’m pretty sure is actually much worse in equilibrium than having Ako without Ah. We want villain to be bluffing with the Ah. Ak with Kh much better call. In equilibrium.
I don't hate the check on the flop. Preflop, this is an obvious squeeze spot for the BB; so it could be decently wide. However when the BB calls the 4-bet, I think he's going to have a lot of AQ, KQ, A5 (suited), JJ and some other random hands. I think that this is going to be a "way behind or way ahead" type of spot; so especially with the A of hearts, I don't hate this check. I think that it's a slam dunk call on the river though. You're realistically only losing to AQ, the A5 suited, KJ of hearts and K10 of hearts, and QQ, and QQ would be 5-betting a decent percentage of the time from out of position; and it's hard to make a set. There's only 6 combos of AQ available, and 3 of QQ, 1 each of the KJ/K10, and 2 A5 suited. So maximum of 13 hands.
so tough to balance though, checkback would be justified if hero had showdown value so then the Ah would remove reasons for protection... But here, it's best just to bet, clean up equity and allow for nice bluffs when the heart comes in. Way simpler strategy to execute too! You are not really getting raised and even if you do, your decision is really easy when you block their only xraise bluffs.
The KJ player shows up with very few “natural” bluffs with this line since he has very few hands with a single heart in them. Probably correct to fold just due to that.
Ugh. V 3B's with KJ, calls a 4B from OOP, then double-barrel-bluffs turn and river with total air. If I was hero, I wouldn't be able to fold to this V the rest of the session, and he'd just take me to value town over and over again. Time to pick up and change tables to get away from this guy.
@@datsumcrzysht I get it. I also have player friends, and while it can be fun to have them at the same table, if something like this were to happen to me, I'd go on mega-tilt and be broke in an hour. Better to just change tables.
@@1vailchris Unless you find it challenging enough to stay. Depends on the situation I guess. Often for me, money becomes secondary when I’m constantly being owned…especially by a friend. But I can certainly agree with your point of view if you’re prone to tilting and making money at the table is your primary objective.
@@1vailchris Leave? Hero is trying to punt. This is the same dude who turned JJ into a bluff on AA8KK to try to fold out QQ. Villain should have jammed preflop.
Caller has probably punted off stacks his whole life. Calling a 4 bet OOp with king jack suited? that's suicide. There are players I am fine with not c betting Ace king against in a 4 bet pot. Only if it's a fish and I feel like I barely have any fold equity. When solvers tell you to c bet they assume you're playing against a normal opponent. they don't account for someone who will call down 3 streets with pocket twos since they put you on ace king (which makes up a huge part of our 4 bet range). However if I do decide to check back flop I am calling down with ace high on most boards. Like if the flop is 5,5,2. If I think he's calling my 4 bets with king jack, ace jack, king queen, pocket pairs, I'm calling down with ace high. The hero in this hand has probably had a lot of history with this specific caller so because of the dynamics between them I think folding ace king here is terrible. The caller is obviously not your typical opponent.
I'd love the communities take on this hand in a tourney.. UTG raises, I 3bet with Jack's (edit) I'm UTG+1.... cutoff 4bets.... UTG folds and I make the fold too.. my thinking was I was either flipping for my tourny life or I was way behind... lmk please whatchu guys think... I'll let you know what villain ended up with(cuz I asked him at the final table)😊
13:44 you tanked for 6 minutes? I’m calling the clock at 2 minutes. That’s an insane tank. The madness needs to end. After 2 minutes you are just masturbating in your mind. You’ve hand plenty of time to run through the action and combos. Also side note, this isn’t high stakes.
4-bets are supposed to be small; 2.4-2.7x is generally considered as Optimum, going 3x is too large, and a leak, at least if you ever bluff. - Stack depth is obviously a major consideration , though.
Im confused people are all digging the reversal. Just seems kinda pretentious to be taking a line that makes absolutely no sense at any point. Is essentially suicidal and then because your friend managed to play it worse somehow. Try to present it as some great play. Idk, maybe im a douche. Either way, always fun to see what people are capable of at these stakes.
I thought my friends decision in this play was a lot more interesting then me bluffing with air, and had gotten a lot of different opinions on the hand so that’s why I switched it.
