Fantastic to have an interviewer and an interviewee that have complimentary but differing viewpoints that discuss rather than argue. One of my favorite podcasts ever. Such important info for athletes, cancer sufferers .... everyone! Thank you.
You navigated this really well- Malnourishment comes in all forms-vegans seem to be easy targets. Thank you for being an example of an extremely fit and heathy vegan 🌱
Only time will tell. To each their own. Personally, from my studies during a 40 year interest in health and nutrition: I don't think marathons are a healthy form of exercise. I doubt early humans would have chosen to run for 25 or 50 or certainly not 100 miles at one stretch. They may have walked that. They certainly would have run fast for short distances running away from or chasing animals. Studies have shown that after marathons the immune system is severely compromised. Certain death for an injured caveman. And you just have to look at the emaciated bodies of these runners to think they don't Look healthy. Yes, there will always be some very old runners, just like there are some old obese or sedentary people. But for most? Probably health compromising as they get older. JMHO.
@@patriot20000 You have no clue of what you are talking about. One of the earliest forms of humans hunting animals without weapons, was to run them down to exhaustion. because animals cannot sweat through their skin.. they cannot run the same distances as humans can, without overheating and eventually collapsing. Humans can even outrun horses over long distances. African tribes used this method of hunting animals for centuries.. The human body was BUILT to run long distances.. and we are one of the few animals that can run such long distances, and there is a good evolutionary reason for that. Evolution does not make mistakes, Read this: slate.com/culture/2012/06/long-distance-running-and-evolution-why-humans-can-outrun-horses-but-cant-jump-higher-than-cats.html even in the Siberian cold, humans could hunt animals, by running them down www.smithsonianmag.com/history/for-40-years-this-russian-family-was-cut-off-from-all-human-contact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/ Older Marathoners and endurance athletes are known to have longer telomeres than people their age, and the same muscular mass as people much younger than they are, and this has been scientifcally proven and observed using MRI scans www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30507277s
Interesting, but there are always alternating opinions and studies. I just listened to a lecture by a cardiac surgeon who mentioned frequent running of long distances over long periods of time can cause enlarging and scarring of the heart tissue, siting studies along the way... you can find it easily on ted talk and check it out if u want
@@mitchcallander2608 I trust scientific studies, not some pill pushing doctor. Remember, everything in moderation.. anyone running tons of miles daily is going to have health problems, that is sure. i will watch the video if you have the liink
Can we just appreciate the details on the blackboard and on the table.... 🤩🤩. Also, Rich Roll, you are my favourite interviewer. And another also - I love this pod & these kind of pods in gen!! Valter Longo - great guest. 😎
Hey- I’ve been wanting for Dr. Longo to play his guitar... from photo. Thanks for clarifying lower Igf1 in older age, thus allowing higher protein for elderly.
So even though it appears on the surface there was disagreement, it really was a great deal of agreement. 400g of chickpeas isn't 4% protein. Fish is still problematic for other reasons. I'm just gonna eat plants and in 13 years when I turn 65 I'll eat more beans. It seemed the protein increase he was talking about was only 20% more.
Yes, I don't believe, we will live forever, in this world. I am just a Pilgrim passing through.There is a home, being prepared for me. That is my goal. I am fine to live on earth, in good health. body and mind, until my time come to leave, this world.
That entire idea is beautiful,; not moving toward hospice. as a solution. We are developing, hope as a solution, in living longer, and not looking toward death as a medical move!
Valter Longo should receive Nobel prize for medicine. He has done so much for the medical effects of food. Rich Roll should just ask clear questions instead of putting his ideas in a conversation mode, thus should have more of a journalistic format.
Varied legumes, nuts and seeds. No problem Getting the ratios right, now that's the interesting part of the puzzle. I enjoyed Dr longo's stance on being open to healthiest sources/quantity of proteins as we age. Diversity makes sense in the grand scheme of evolution. I mean to say, are not all healthy habitats in nature greatly diversified.
Great talk, but I'm more confured that before. I'm 45 vegan doing intermittent fasting, skipping breakfast. But as if I understand correctly, doing constantly intermittent 18+6 (eating from 12 to 18:00) and skipping breakfast is bad for me? Plus eating not more than 40 g protein per day? Please help me to understand.
The most astonishing thing in the world to me is to see perfectly intelligent people talk about evolution,!!!!! Hahaa it reminds me of two CEOs talking about all these intelligent things and then they say "what do you think Santa Claus is going to give you this Christmas?"? 😅😅😅
I still find it a bit hard to undergo 12h w/o feeding as an athlete that's trying to consume around 3,700 kcal a day without going heavy on oils and stuff. I mean, I'd still like to eat lots of vegetables and that takes room in the stomach...
Longo was not "working" or teaching during this one. How often have you seen him smile almost all the way through the interview? Rich's skill in creating the mood ?
The ideal is to be vegan/whole food plant based which is what I am. However, as Longo points out, most people will find such a diet too demanding to adhere to which is why he advises them to eat fish. For those of us who engage in endurance sports the physical demands of what we do necessitates that we pay attention to recovery, particularly if we are "older", sharpens our minds which makes it easy to strictly adhere to a vegan/whole food plant based diet because if you don't you will be doomed!
You think dr Garth Davis would disagree about how much protein we should have? Right when I think I have all of this figured out, dr Longo wants me to add back in fish, eggs, goat cheese. As shrek said in the movie “Shrek” “well, that’s not going to happen “. I’m over 65 and drink an Orgain protein drink everyday plus all my vegan foods I eat I should be okay. right?
I always find it hypocritical when vegans talk about how important the earth and environment is to them and then at the drop of a hat they talk about how they have kids. It's especially egregious when they say they have 3-4 kids.
BayBeats831 right. Whenever I hear that tho, I just always think to myself, then you only support animal cruelty and slaughter 10% of the time. Can't help it
TG36 GR maybe they had their kids before they became vegan. Guess that never occurred to you. But what the hell is wrong with having children if you're vegan. The only beings that are being over bred are factory farmed animals, for your taste 'enjoyment', so of course, by all means, let's blame the one faction of society trying to reduce their carbon footprint plus end the slaughter of the over population of animals. The improvement in their own health eases the burden on the health care system. The carbon footprint of a vegan family of 6 is likely far less than your cruelty- supporting family of 2 or 3. You need to exercise your common sense rather than just your knee jerk hating on vegans.
Well, one would think that if you eat this way, your immune system would be in tip-top shape and the little bit of fish would not be an issue for cancer.
I have been vegan for 20 + years & I have a heap of protein, nuts, tofu etc I am 70 & super healthy & fit with great blood results. I take a B12 supplement.
This was a GREAT interview! Both parties respectful of each other's experience, knowledge, and views. I love how Valter see the whole picture rather than being black & white as so many are. He considers all aspects of diet, lifestyle, aging and has done extensive research to back up his findings.
Valter Longo's brilliance really shines through here. This is definitely the best Longo interview I've seen yet - and I've watched almost all of them. Rich Roll actually listens to what Longo is saying, unlike most other interviewers who constantly cut Longo off mid-sentence. Great exchange of ideas and information! Side note: I went to the Buchinger Clinic in Germany and had a great experience until the refeed - that was when all hell broke loose and I was ill for months. I couldn't get out of bed for days, plus the weight I had lost came back. When I had arrived there all of my immediate blood work came back to show I was in very good health; the only thing wrong was that I was overweight, which I wanted to focus on. The weight came back, sadly. I had been Keto for years - to no good benefit - now I'm WFPB/Pescetarian and I'm feeling a lot better.
Their discussion is a good example of comparing a data set of one to a data set of many. Rich does great on a vegan diet. Good for him. But Valter's point is that, looking at, say, 10,000 vegans, you are statistically more likely to find deficiencies. I love veggies and legumes but I most certainly did NOT thrive on a vegan diet. But I would never say "And therefore, no one does."
Unfortunately I don't understand his English too well and so I don't seem to follow what exactly he's talking about. I wish I could grasp and understand his explanation about his mimicking diet. It would be great, if he displayed or put out a phone number whereby we can call a call center for more detailed information on his fasting diet.
Can we just appreciate the details on the blackboard and on the table.... 🤩🤩. Also, Rich Roll, you are my favourite interviewer. And another also - I love this pod & these kind of pods in gen!! Valter Longo - great guest. 😎
And I found this whole research from dr Valter Longo so inspiring and I understood the conclusion as this: eat whole food plant based 5 days a week, plus, fish and good fat as olive oil and nuts. Avoid processed foods, when you reach the age of 65 maybe add goats cheese, eggs ..and if you are overweight go for two meals a Day + a snack e. g. Eat breakfast, lunch and a snack for dinner or change to breakfast, a snack for lunch and a dinner . and I will definitely have to read the book by dr Valter Lomgo to get as much knowledge as possible 🎶🍀💚🐸🎵
Colon cancer is reaching epidemic proportions at younger and younger ages. I think we are already seeing the consequences of high protein diets, particularly high animal protein. Big fan of Dr. Longo who, alone among the so called experts, pockets no profit from his book.
Thanks for this, Rich. I'm ambivalent about Dr Longo - his advice about eating fish goes against what Dr Greger and other doctors say. As far as I can see, apart from all the pollution, etc, fish is just another muscle - full of unnecessary cholesterol, etc. I'm vegan for several reasons - and after seeing the cruelty involved in fishing I could no more eat fish than I could fly to the moon. And his emphasis on extra protein for the over-65's I find slightly strange. I'm in my 80th year, been vegan for the last 14 - I've never checked the amount of protein I eat, never felt the need. I'm as fit now as I've ever been - to give myself a bit of a challenge, I'm aiming to do 1 million pushups between 80 and 90. ATM I'm doing 1000 pushups every other day. I also swing a 9kg kettlebell around on the other days - so I'm pretty fit. And my blood work is spot on as well. I'm ambivalent about this guy because I agree with him on the subject of Intermittent Fasting. Mind you, after losing 24lbs over 8 months on a 5:2 version of IF, I now have one 24 hour fast a week. And as I said earlier, I feel pretty good. My energy level is high, and I'm looking forward to the next 20 years.
Paul, good for you on your good health even at 80. The extra protein recommendation is geared toward the elderly who begin to lose muscle mass as they get older. Sounds like you've got that covered between your current diet and your exercise regimen. For my parents, on the other hand, it has been EXTREMELY difficult to prevent muscle wasting as they hit their 70's and 80's. With diminished appetites and less mobility, cheese, yogurt, and olive oil have been helpful in trying to keep some weight on them, but even with those it's still been challenging.
Paul youd hey Paul you may want to make sure that you are balancing that push exercise with some pull exercise. Too much of one can cause muscular imbalances and injuries. but super impressive keep it up(:
AKUO I've had a pull up bar for a couple of months - but, due to my laziness and procrastination, I've yet to install it. You've just given me the impetus to get my arse into gear - so thanks for that!
I'm 67 and have been vegan for over 30 years. I would find it very hard to choose to eat some animal protein now, so I guess I will pay attention to eating more plant protein...
Great, many thanks! Good old Dr Greger... I'd missed that podcast. And of course he's not old. It would be interesting to know whether Cadwell Esselsyn and T Colin Campbell have bumped up their protein intake (and with all the due respect I have for him the latter doesn't look particularly young for his age, but still very active for sure...)
@T T OMG are you are Nobel Laureate with several peer reviewed published papers?? Everyone is a freaking expert on here, everyone apparently except the expert. Do you all know how insane you sound 😳
They both are around 50ties and looking much younger than that 👀 for sure they both doing right with their eating habits and lifestyle. Great podcast, thank you 🙏
I gained a new respect for Rich Roll for having a non-vegan on his show. Many vegans are too narrow minded to tolerate any dissent from veganism. Their minds are too clouded to even permit the possibility of say eating fish being equal or superior to a purely vegan approach as Longo says here. Even though I agree with much of what veganism has to say my beliefs are based on the science not on faith. I've noticed that many vegans seem to be all or nothing people. They have a black and white view of the world which is more about their own personality than science. Interesting observation that more fat and protein, even animal protein may be more healthy once you hit 65 or older.
Actually most meat eaters are way more zealous. Despite masses of evidence against the practice from all fronts including diet they insist that their view is right just because.
Rich Roll has repeatedly said that he is troubled by what current internet speak calls silos in which opposing camps (this includes equally, vegans, keto people, paleo people, carnivores … please, enough already ). People become completely cut off from dialogue; it's pernicious, it's going to keep on happening and it's sad. I regretted the passing of the Great Contrarian, Christopher Hitchens, who might argue a point or take a stance that I did not support and his gusto for the debate made it all worth while: what emerged was never the initial position of either camp but a further understanding of the underlying issue. I too was chuffed by the interview with Longo but I did pick up on Rich Roll becoming defensive when Longo was talking about a general population of vegans, defined simply by the absence of animal products from their lives and not how healthy was the food they ate and their life style. RR is an extreme example of health as a vegan and adheres to the healthiest protocol possible but was defensive when Longo brought up the variability of protein through the life span. Discomfort is great; he listened. Joe Rogan, the hunter gatherer advocate frequently has really well-vetted vegan advocates who are basing their protocols, as you said, on the best level of current scientific evidence. So yes, I would concur that this was a very good encounter.
I loved the image “ violins get better with age” and the concept of “ juventology” as an investigation and understanding of what keeps you Young. Exciting perspectives 🎵💜🎶
Rich, this was a gift - thanks a million for all that you do. One minor observation though: you were arguing with a leading scientist and highly qualified researcher about an N of 1 case study (you!) about the merits of veganism over his support for a fish + vegan diet! I mean, come on!
I think they both came to an agreement that a whole food plant-based diet can get you enough protein 400 g of chickpeas isn’t actually that much it’s also important to remember that chickpeas aren’t the only thing in a plant-based diet that give protein I think what he was seeking to state since they kept using the word vegan was that there are a lot of junk food vegans who aren’t eating legumes and the whole grains and the whole vegetables and the whole starches who are just eating Oreos and impossible whoppers those are the ones that are getting nutritional deficiencies. As we all know rich roll eats very healthy as we all should I think he was trying to advocate that it’s really not that hard to get what you need if you eat the food as intended that came out of the earth. It’s also subjective to state high protein or high fat because what one person considers high protein isn’t even close to what the researcher was suggesting I feel that some people hear those and then they just start cramming in 8 ounces of fish with every meal it’s about moderation and balance. Deficiencies come to those vegans because they’re eating a bunch of refined garbage food I think he was also trying to point out that having a little fish couldn’t hurt it would be beneficial for those who don’t know nutrition.
Yeah, I'm not buying his mixed message at all. He seems fixated with garbanzo beans and limited in imagination with how one might create a salad for example. I've been Plant Based for six years and I'm approaching 50 and I recover quicker than when I was 20. When I was eating fish I was inflamed, in pain and suffering. I can do 60 push ups in a row and I can run a six minute mile. I'm clearly getting my protein.
It is simple - you have to realize you are in the minority. Most people when they go plant based just end up eating the wrong way - most people are not diligent, do not make sure they get the full scope of nutrients (macro/micro). His recommendation is for the general population - chickpeas are cheap, full of protein and are extremely filling and satisfying which is why he would consider it a staple (to be on the safe side). You only have to look at some of the crazies in the Vegan world (Fruitarians, juice fasting, etc.), to understand that a lot of people who go that way - fuck it up big time. So a plant based diet based on beans would provide a solid base for 99% of the people who go plant based.
I should also point out that I have seen way too many Vegans go the route of 'I'm getting enough protein from eating 30 bananas a day' - and then losing significant muscle mass. You won't end up deficient in protein - but it isn't particularly optimal either (nor is too much protein optimal - except from age 65, as his research indicates).
@@henryg3313 You would not be able to eat tubers or rice without Cooking them. In fact, the kid who who was stranded in the woods, "Into the Wild", died from eating raw potatoes slips. I couldn't figure out why I had constant loose stool for months. Then I read "The Plant Paradox" and stopped putting ground seeds (flax, pumpkin, sunflower, and sesame) in my smoothies. After months of suffering, in 2 days my stool was normal again. I was poisoning myself with seeds. I eats nuts, no seeds. I don't trust beans now either. If I juice fast it's organic V8 type juice, never fruit. Way too much sugar.
Fish is so dirty I don’t know how Longo can still keep recommending it. Just watching “eating our way to extinction” or “Seaspiracy” is enough for me to never eat seafood again 🤢
Yes!!!! Oil is a processed food. Oil impairs endothelial health, arterial health. For his very, very sick CVD patients he does not even allow nuts and seeds, because for really sick CVD patients Esselsteyn believes the patients are better off not challenging their arteries, even if the fat is from whole foods like raw nuts and seeds. He may be correct. The Fruit Doctor (videos on RU-vid) has videos on how she reduced her cholesterol levels by restricting her nuts and seeds (she had her cholesterol checked before and after challenging herself with nuts and seeds).
@@maureenk1635 Show me Dr.E's studies of the LONGEST lived people who were not eating any oil. I'd like to read them. And I lived in Italy. People outside the cities have their own olive trees and they pick them and bring them to be cold-pressed. Though you would be crazy to eat Crisco or Wesson or canola oil. They are rancid when they are bottled. PS keep all Olive/Avocado oil etc in the refrigerator. NEVER in the cabinet. Not even a "cool, dark' one. Take it out, stick in a knife or run hot water on the bottom of the bottle, take what you need and put it right back in the fridge.
@@patriot20000 they were eating anything they could gather to eat.. roots, tubers, seeds, nuts, etc.. meat was a rare treat as hunting animals without guns was very energy consuming and dangerous..
*The plant-based & Vegan Community has been looking forward to this.* Bringing non biased and non-vegan experts to the table and discussing the benefits of predominantly plant-based diets is a great inRoad. You are putting together a cast of leaders, and amplifying their voices by doing this work. 👍 🌱 #RedPillVegan
Dr. Longo should research the studies he cites in more detail and not only read the headlines: The one on Olive oil versus low fat diet (which should be lower fat vs. SAD diet but isn't :-o ) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cktwDEXJjvs.html
Increased protein intake after age 65 did not benefit older people, but vegetable intake and movement: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nBjC0NobO-Q.html
There's vegan bias in Rich Roll (you can see it creeping in and him trying to hold it back, though a poor job of it). Longo said meat may not be a significant factor when you are elderly (or later age) because production of igf-1 is lower in body when older so meat may not make levels dangerous. Also, with this constant China Study and blue zone ppl thing, let's be clear, none are vegan (nor are Loma Lindas - they are vegetarian). So clearly, thats a poor argument and don't know why vegans keep using that argument (has to be brainwash). How do we know that 10 or 20% meat they consume is not one of the reasons for their health and longevity. And there has been no studies on eating only meat, fat, carnivorous to show it is unhealthy. Jus sayin. Objectivity.
Yeah that whole blue zones thing... poor argument, clear sign of brainwash. We haven’t seen the data on the all ribeye diet either... gotta stay objective. #meatheals
Great podcast! Dr. Longo's work is so interesting. I have come to believe that based on evolutionary conditions humans are adapted to periods of fasting or even feast-famine cycling... in what ratio is the big question for me! Would love to try FMD once I'm no longer breastfeeding.
Worked great for me. Had 10 extra lbs for 10 years that no diet got rid of. I.F. did it.! I can see my abs again for the first time in years. But beware: between the end of breast feeding and I.F your "girls" may never be the same. :(
Dom D’Agostino Ph.D. studying ketones has been working on the other pillars to support the keto diet long term,. So far, I've been hearing lots of conflicting information between the two scientists on this podcast.
No actual long living population have eaten keto diets, there are those who are predominantly plant based. Why not follow the actual science that is there now?
I thought so too. I think D'Agostino had a good formula. I've heard him say he eats lots of vegetables, no dairy, sardines, and likely he uses Avocados, nuts, eggs. I think Longo was thinking keto diets are mostly low nourishment keto diets, and/or, are high protein "keto" diets, and maybe he's not as steeped in the science around ketones as a cleaner, probably healthier fuel.
I'm confused on IF/TRE: Longo seems to say, "12h is fine but be careful with 16h of fasting every day". David Sinclair and many longetivity gurus seem to say, aim for 16h or even 18-20h of fasting every day?. Have there been any new insights since Longo's 2018 point-of-view?
i hear farts from michael klaper is the air you swalow whne eating them,, soak them good?,,, and TAKE TIMe eating them?,, this way you properly break the shell and release air the other side instead,, less stress while eating?,, he said 80%,, i still cant believe it,, but in my case it could be entirely possible,, sometimes i have no issues most of time i do,, sooo.... gotta figure stuff up hmm,, wonder i think i heard the canned beans are less fart cause they none stop soaked,,, sooo just rinse and compare? i really want to know
hey ,, also you suppose to be outside and walk run etc,, you just ate protein why not use it?,, fart outdoor is no problem?,, ugh gotta go outside more often
Yes, so to summarize my current understanding: A healthy and fresh organic plant based diet with a really great variety, no or almost none processed or fried foods and daily portions of fermented plant foods in combination with intermittent fasting is best and when you are over 65 you have to up your protein intake by 20%. The only reason he brings up against a pure plant based diet is that it might be more difficult which in my opinion is not a good enough reason to not do it. Combine that with moderate but regular exercise, a daily meditation practice and lots of mindfulness and you are very well set up for a long, happy and healthy life.
Very Helpful Discussion at my age of almost age 67..I am eating now 2 times a Day about 10 hours apart, no snacks, no refined sugar or flour at all, olive oil and avocado/coconut oil, eggs for breakfast, and lots of green organic vegetables, and fish at dinner 5pm 4 ounces, also nuts and legumes.
35:50 Rich asked a very good question of what we can extract from five pillars and what principles can guide us toward longevity and how people can be mindful. But Rich interrupted as soon as he heard fish and didn't let him finish on the principles. I am inspired by rich and switched to vegan but ended up adding fish after six week on pure plant based as I wasn't able to perform to a full extent as I am very active. I wish Rich had let Dr Longo finish on those principles rather injecting himself as an example. I am an engineer not a doctor but I am pretty sure that different people, age, ethnicity and other factors do matters. We can't just look at Rich and believe that every one human being on this will do good on just vegan diet. I am looking for a way to go complete vegan but hoping to get more information.
Yeah Rich's ideological bias ruined the discussion at times. Valter has the credentials and evidence on his side it would have been great if rich could just listen to the evidence without trying to butt heads. He is not the rule his athleticism is not the norm and if he bothered to read the adventist health study 2 results he would know pesc and vegan are tied. Even garth davis admits fish is a green light food
Super interesting and I liked hearing the discussion between the slightly varied opinions of Rich and Dr Valter. Yes, Im about 30 months behind it's release date, but thankyou for this excellent interview.
Truly enjoying this discussion from the archives, Rich. As I am currently reading FINDING ULTRA, I appreciate the nuances of your areas of commonality, as well as differences.
Really excellent interview, I've been Following Valter Longo's work and read his book and articles and this is a great update; it was also a very good job from Rich to insist on a few crucial points and have them clarified. I do not agree 100% with Longo's pescetarian concept and his longevity diet (too little fruit, maybe too many legumes, fish), but we must consider that he reasons from a purely scientific standpoint. Also, he's right in stating that a vegan diet must be undertaken with the proper baggage of knowledge otherwise it may be detrimental. His fast mimicking diet is pure genius. I've been doing a few cycles and cannot believe that I have the same benefits of a full 5-days water fasting. It's much easier and it's possible to work while doing it. By the way, as already hinted in other comments, it's surely possible to design one's FMD without using a Prolon package.
@@lindaellison2281 you can look up online “DIY Fating mimicking diet plan”. There are different ones- so look at a few and look at commonalities. You can buy his Fast Bars- to supplement with soups and vitamins it seems.
What timing. I just did his ProLon fast this week. It went really well. After seeing the CRONies struggle with Roy Walford's diet years ago, I grew disillusioned. But I was excited to hear about Valter Longo's work.Thank you for this podcast.
Hi BayBeats831, I used the ProLon kit. I don't think I would try to do this on my own. All the ingredients, as well as the timing, has been planned out by his team. I wouldn't trust myself to come up with an equivalent.
That's awesome, Judi. I ordered my 2nd kit as well. I am actually feeling really great today. Like really great. Maybe some of it is psychosomatic, because you're accomplishing something you don't normally set out to do. But I do feel refreshed. It was tough at the end. But if you can hang in there and don't exert much energy -- then I think most people can get through it.
I'm confused, so his findings worked for cellular protection but not longevity? He also seems negative toward the longevity community, maybe I am being impatient with him.
I crush my protein requirements and I'm eating a raw vegan diet. When I turn 100 I'll come back to this comment and reaffirm no animal inputs were necessary :)
Overall I dig it. He does seem to rely on the honesty of individuals self reporting (after actual structured studies) what they eat when citing/reinforcing some of his findings/suggestions.
Very interesting. I think we get into trouble thinking one size fits all. I eat whole food plant based but sometimes I eat a bit of bison. Maybe a bit of fish. I feel great. Blood work clean. Exercise 30 hours a week. Everyone’s DNA different. I have bio markers that I need to abstain from certain foods due to allergies or heredity factors. The way I eat is specific to me not my best friend or the lady across the street. It took me a number of years to figure out what worked best for me. I have clients with unique medical concerns and allergies. You have to work with the individual. I listen to all the podcasts. All the experts. Glean info that make me more knowledgeable. Everyone different. Not one size fits all. Overall concepts are important. Fascinating research and opinions. Keep open mind. That’s what keeps ya young !
53:00 After 65, eat yoghurt, cheese and eggs (and fish) 54:29 The minimum intake of protein is 0.66g/kg bodyweight This guy never even tried tracking protein intake on your average whole foods plant based diet high in whole grains, legumes, seeds and nuts.
@@wanashthegash For one thing, the older you get the less well you digest and assimilate your food, and the more you lose muscle mass. But he bases his suggestions on his own longevity studies in his lab with mice, the studies of others he has reviewed in depth, and the data from the longest lived people in the blue zones that he has studied along with his personal interviews with some of them. I don't recall any of the blue zone people being vegetarians, though many are mostly plant based.
@@patriciafoster7367 thank you Patricia, for laying out Valter's methodology or the reasons for it. I personally think he pushes the pescatarian aspect for the B12 and other benefits of diversified protein/fat sources. I'm going vegan WFPB SOS myself and the vitreol between meatheads and the vegans is astounding to say the least. But I find the self righteous/virtue signaling animal activists trying to push their beliefs on others, the most detrimental to the WFPB vegan cause. I feel it is a matter of time, and not much more, before the proof will be undeniable for all the health and environmental benefits to come to the fore, and then the average person who is still in denial will be inclined to join the movement now gaining traction. Peace to all the animals on earth, including humans, but let's be real and not treat each other worse than, because of belief's.
Longos ideas are based on med diet to be sure My Greek grandparents rarely ate red meat but lots of yoghurt feta cheese sometimes chicken and eggs Smoked herring . lots of wild spinach and salads oregano used a lot together with olive oil olives home baked dark sourdough that’s was so tasty but hardened like a rock after a few days No preservatives . honey - red wine Walnuts sesame seeds figs almonds Turkish coffee grandpa lived to 96 and grandmother 98 , they worked the land fasting for a week at a time , Greek Christian orthodox interesting when I last visited them grandmother asked if there was anything that would give her more energy so I gave her my bottle of vitamin c she claimed it helped a lot in many ways , placebo affect. maybe I’m not sure ☺️
The best podcast that I've seen of Longo (and I've seen them all). He is clearly comfortable... This and Ronda Patrick's... in all others, he's fine, but in these he is motivated and the info that spread is more rich, more dense. Congrats to the host!
Very interesting. I think we get into trouble thinking one size fits all. I eat whole food plant based but sometimes I eat a bit of bison. Maybe a bit of fish. I feel great. Blood work clean. Exercise 30 hours a week. Everyone’s DNA different. I have bio markers that I need to abstain from certain foods due to allergies or heredity factors. The way I eat is specific to me not my best friend or the lady across the street. It took me a number of years to figure out what worked best for me. I have clients with unique medical concerns and allergies. You have to work with the individual. I listen to all the podcasts. All the experts. Glean info that make me more knowledgeable. Everyone different. Not one size fits all. Overall concepts are important. Fascinating research and opinions. Keep open mind. That’s what keeps ya young !
@@OU-812 i am a yoga and Pilates teacher - so movement is a huge part of my life - a typical day is an hour walk in the AM followed by another hour yoga or Pilates. Then I begin teaching private clients at noon. If I have time I like to get in another hour walk. Some days I lift or ride my Peloton and in my infared sauna after. It’s all really normal for me. I started ballet at 8 years old. Danced every day of my childhood into young adulthood 2-3 hours a day. Movement is life to me. Like breathing.
Wonderful point!! One size does not fit all with nutrition. I too have had to be my own advocate and tweak my diet (over 10yrs) for medical considerations, what makes me feel best and function, sleep, and think best. People want a quick fix, but experimenting is important.
And then there are Longos a-historic ideas about intermittent fasting. This BBC article www.bbc/news/magazine-20243692 tells us that the Romans ate just one meal a day. The three meal a day paradigm came up with the industrial revolution, i.e. very late in human history. What the early hominids did once they managed to cook their starches to get more nutrition from them is anybody's guess. I'm not saying Longo is wrong or right. I'm just pointing out that it seems naive to think the three meal a day paradigm is 'natural' instead of cultural.
Look at how many kids eat garbage cereal with hormone laden cow breast milk every morning! They would be better off with fasting. Then they eat the garbage lunch at school. No wonder their lifespan will be shortened.
I came a year late to this table of abundant thought, just catching up. I'm at the tail-end of the boomers and my partner genX; lots of conversation around that topic, and one question I have that was shot down in that debate for 2 was; why is a researcher of Dr. Longo's stature spending so much time on podcasts? I mean, a LOT of time, since I've been researching him for the last few days. My friend says; it's what people do now. Maybe … but which people? Certainly not the people from Bletchley Park, vr bad example I know. Glad for the interview; obvious discomfort on RR's part, some reservations regarding VL's possible cultural bias toward fish and olive oil -- I lived in Italy for over a decade -- but all in a good cause and I applaud Rich Roll. The only other reservation I have regarding the FMD promoted by Longo is that it costs $250 American per fast, so that even if that money were to be ploughed back into research, who would they be studying? Vr rich people? Not a sound empirical approach.
I used to be a Veg, still don't eat red meat, but I think he's right about vegan nutrition. Watch ""40 yr old Vegan Dies of Heart Attack" on RU-vid. It is a lecture by an annoying but informative VEGAN doctor who was shocked at the results of a meta-analysis of health and longevity of veg/vegan v/s meat eaters. Shocking results!
at 37:50 Rich Roll clears the air about protein stating that most people out there are eating too much protein. We actually only need 10 to15% of our calories coming from protein (same as fat). I respect Dr. Longo''s fasting mimicking diet and agree with the principles of fasting to increase longevity but I am not in agreement that the pescatarian diet is superior to a whole food plant based diet. Studies show that WFPB, which Rich Roll follows and promotes, is the healthiest diet on the planet. The Okinowans are the longest lived peoples on the earth and fish is a very small part of their diet usually as fish sauces to garnish their food; the okinawan diet is approximately 95% WFPB with over 60% over their calories coming from sweet potatoes. The problem with fish is that , although they contain beneficial polyunsaturated fasts as well as omega 3, (which we can also obtain from algae, walnuts, flaxseeds, and chia seeds) they also contain steroids, antibiotics, plastic, mercury and various other toxins in their flesh. This is aside from the ethical reasons when considering the fact that almost 3 trillion fish are killed each year. I would Roll with Rich on what type of food to put in your mouth as he is a living example of the wfpb lifestyle and all its health benefits while stating at 56:30 that "it's not too hard" (meaning anyone can do it) while I believe that Longo scores on a long touchdown with his expertise with fasting and longevity.. Put these two lifestyle measures together and I believe that we have found the fountain of youth to allow us to live healthfully to 120 years and more.
at 57:15 Vegan's may be malnourished because they are following a diet for ethical reasons, they are not necessarily informed or desiring to eat a completely healthy and unprocessed whole food plant based diet and making sure to supplement with B12 at least once a week and stick to a 10/10/80 (to 15/15/70 max) % whole plant protein/unsaturated fat/complex carb diet. Veganism IS NOT A diet; veganism is an ethical belief system. That is the problem with using the terms interchangeably. A whole food plant based diet is not necessarily vegan and a "vegan diet" does not always include "whole foods" which is the key difference and what sets apart a whole food plant based diet and a "vegan diet". Are there vegans who follow a whole food plant based diet.. yes.. the ones who are informed that the type of plant food makes a difference- quaker oats , cheerios , deep fried zucchini sticks and microwave popcorn are vegan but potatoes (no oil), steel cut oats, grilled zucchini (no oil) and corn on the cob (no oil) are whole food plant based. The former are unhealthy, the latter are healthy. I believe that being vegan for ethical reasons and following a whole food plant based diet (along with appropriate interim fasting periods) is the best thing not only for your heath and longevity but also for your eternal soul.
It's insanity, Vegan really isn't a diet, it's a lifestyle. They need to study people on a whole-food, plant based diet and compare them, not compare vegantards. I'm vegan, but I'm also WFPB. but, too many vegans apparently aren't WFPB and it just makes us look bad.
Always do whatever works for you. Test the effects of diversity and ammount of food, activities, diets for a while. Stick to those which gives you energy, better look, mind comfort, well being. Im 55 and plantbase diet + avoiding crap as much as i could + fasting 1 a week + walking 30 min a day + 3x bodyweight training works for me. Interesting discussion between two guys which I value. Thanks !!
It may be that when one reaches their elder years . . . 65-plus . . . that one does need more protein. I would trust that Dr. Longo has good scientific reason for sharing that information with us. To do that one can increase their lentil consumption as well as their seitan consumption. This choice lets you do that without consuming the saturated fats of animal products.
I think he recommends the approach he does because most elderly people find it challenging to eat more food, especially high-fiber food, so he thinks it’s easier for them to get more protein from those animal-based sources.
Actually you really do need more fish protein and more everything plant based protein as well , after 65 . Perform resistance training Unless of course you won’t to become frail and fade away…….
I wonder if Omega 3 vs. fish would have the same results, or would fish still rank better? This isn't an excuse to eat fish. I have never eaten it, nor will I ever eat it. I just wonder because studies seem to villianize carbs without differentiating between refined carbs and whole food carbs. So is it omega 3 that causes fish to do well in studies?
I'm 64 and became low-fat vegetarian when I was 16, vegan in my early 30s. Because of genes, diet, exercise, peaceful happy existence, and vegan living, people always think I'm 15 - 20 years younger than I am. I feel and move like a person much younger. And it is way too easy for me to eat tons and tons of protein, way way more than I need, and I have to be careful to curtail that tendency. So Valter here is just plain wrong and apparently doesn't speak from experience when he says that it requires a lot of work and attention for a vegan over 65 to get an equal amount of protein that a fish eater would get and that is necessary for healthy longevity.
He repeatedly said fasting-mimicking is designed for an average consumer who can not or does not want to do a real fast, not to mention that real water fast needs to be supervised. It's a compromise helping to achieve almost the same results as water-fast. I like that people going through chemo therapy can benefit from this short 5-day fasting-mimicking diet. I also like the fact that that Dr. Longo is almost exclusively plant-based. It's way better than SAD diet that majority people are on. If people can adopt his diet they would be so much better.
Medical pro's are over cautious. In the vast majority of people, water only fasting does not need to be supervised. Have done it numerous times. So have many others.
@@verafilatova9394 I so agree with you. So many commenters on here are upset that he eats a little fish. It's so good that he is mostly plant based. I think these extremist attitudes hurt the spread of veganism.
@@verafilatova9394 It is amazing we survived as a species since we are so fragile that we need a doctor if we go 24 hours without eating… Of course that is a modern notion as our ancestors thought nothing of doing it. Of course he has to say that, if not somebody in poor health will fast and have something happen, and the family will sue him.
Rich I have heard Dr. Longo on several podcasts recently. You have interviewed him better than anyone else. You have the most uplifting of all the interviews. I find him a tad negative and bit confusing and elusive, but if I want to get happy I'll listen to Guru Singh! LOL
We lose muscle mass every decade and that speeds up after 70. I happens due to aging. You can fight that by weight training but you do also need the igf1 and that comes from eating protein. Watch your old relatives. The muscle wasting comes before the lack of activity and appetite reductions.
I like Longo but what doesn't make sense to me is: how do mouse studies represent People at all. Normal mouse chow is vegetarian based. Mice don't eat meat. When Ancel Keys did his phony studies on cholesterol he used rabbits. Who also don't eat meat. I'd much rather he made definitive answers using people, but of course, we take too long. I think blue zone people are most important for answers.
I noticed that as well. Although Longo's answer to why he recommends fish is "people stick with the diet better." That's not really a great health reason to eat fish.
