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Nina, Zoë, Nat Puff & Patricia Taxxon just jamming their souls out

According to my theory of band names, a band name is only as good or bad as the music they produce

When I create my band with said name, I *will* credit you

@@atharvavadeyar5157 if this ever happens, please link to your site or channel, here

THANK YOU for everything you do.

You mad brah? J. Caeser

"Mad cuz bad" -Julius Caesar

Now that's a perfect example of begging the question haha

"Y'all tilted" - Julius Caesar

Nemo_K That’s not really begging the question, it’s just a tautology (saying something is what it is). That tool is a spade because it’s spade-shaped. I used the object to prove itself.

Yes but did you stop in the middle of it to watch the awesome trailers for the anime you've never seen?

Do send us the link tho

@@ellipszilonq Pretty sure he's talking about hbomberguy's video on RWBY.

LMFAOOO

@@valosonthor I should watch that. The design of it has always been off-putting to me so to find out whether the story is worth putting up with the weird style, is good.

Aged like a fine wine

She definitely knew what she did there

"moving from one way of life to another" more than just the political commentary there imo

@@Sofspot1 she was planning this a for a long time and she put Easter eggs everywhere.

@@Frahamen Yeah, 'easter eggs' describe these pretty damn well. I congratulate her on them.

That's what hit me, right away lol

Which is weird, because to me the second stands out a _lot_ more.

Yeah I'm glad I'm not mentally ill

I haven't been here long, seeing the old videos is pretty interesting with the power of knowing the future. The first line didn't stick out to me but the second one immediately caught my attention. The first line on its own isn't very remarkable, but the second line lingering on it is a very clever call-out looking back. I really like that wordplay.

i mean she was out to her family and friends at this point, right? so it was probably intentional

Me too. Oof.

Forget what? Oh, right! Forget that James Bond was Italian!

I've just hit replay because of that line, realizing I forgot the epic speech by Adolf Bondini this vid was analingsing

I forgot while it was on, I tuned in and out during the speech

It's just the curse of RU-vid video essays

And the man later went on to overthrow the republic and turn Rome into a dictatorship. Yup, it check out.

@@Deantrey Yes and no. When people say that they make it sound like he ended the rightful rule of the Senate and turned it into a dictatorship, but the Senators had already become corrupt and oligarchical. The murder of the Gracchi brothers by the Senate was the beginning of the end which happened 150 years before Caesar. Not that this necessarily justifies Caesar, but the Senate put him in a position where no one could win. They massively underestimated his popularity with the troops and the people to their ruin.

@@sparklymage (whispers) issa joke But since we're talking serious now. Caesar didn't overthrow the senate because they were corrupt, but because he was on a mission to attain power and his political enemies put him in a position where the only way he could continue to do that and to not lose everything he worked for was to take the action he took. The republic could have continued as it was without Caesar taking the action he did. And Caesar could have restored and even improved on the republican system once he had taken power. Of course as I said his whole thing was trying to gain power and retain it too, so by the very logic of his life that option must have been unthinkable and he could hardly be expected to take it. This however does not absolve him of responsibility. If his goal was to be a good public servant and to ensure the health of the Republic, as he presents himself to be in the speech we heard in this video, then likely he would have made different actions and history would have turned out differently. But his own internal values, which yes were drawn from the political climate of his day, privileged the attainment of power over public service (again, contrary to the way he presents himself in this speech). So sure, Caesar was not alone in this and in this sense we might say that the Roman republic was as corrupt as he was. But to paint him as a good politician who overthrew a corrupted senate is as historically inaccurate as painting him as a corrupt politician who overthrew a good senate.

@@Deantrey I didn't describe him as a good politician who overthrew a corrupt Senate, though? For one thing, the Senate didn't stop existing when Caesar took over. For another, by all accounts Caesar was actually much better to the average person than the Senate was, so I'm not sure what comparison we are making here. I'm more pointing out that the comparisons people make of Caesar with more modern situations don't really make sense. And there is no possible way Caesar could have restored or improved on the republican system. The system was alive in name only by the time of Caesar. They were so divorced from the average person and so high on their own self-importance that it would be impossible to change without removing all of them. This idea that the republic was somehow fundamentally ruined when Caesar made the obvious more explicit is nonsense. For the average Roman there was no fundamental difference between the Senate years and the Caesar years, except that Caesar was more generous with his wealth than the average Senator was.

@@sparklymage cool motive, still overthrowing the senate

MEATBALLED MY SPAGEHTTI I CAN'T I was already wondering if I've suddenly forgotten what Italy looks like xDD That went whoosh

*insert cheap joke about how that one probably whoosh'd by most americans here*

@@fh404 Why Americans?

@@jeremystars2100 Dunno. Maybe because of videos like can you name a country from Jimmy Kimmel. But take that with a grain of salt

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Tery Aki Love that and I wish I could do that as a Halloween costume... but I think it’s canceled :(

Gerulius Waysar

Go to your room.

got a handsome shrek style going on

@@wittyblonde6728 that will not stop you from wearing a costume around the house and buying candy that you would actually eat I meant to say, "that doesn't stop you", but i like the forceful nature of it, so...

Ik it's sooo gud she needs to make another one cos now I just wanna read the original text but Im afraid that I might not understand it

@@renekumar8290 I wanted to check it out too, and honestly this video made it so much easier to understand!

Very nice that you edited your old comment!

It was amazing!!

An amazing read

Wait, he did the audiobook? Nice!

@@tecguySD He narrated parts of it while Stephanie Willis narrated the majority. Though his parts were relatively brief I thought they were well done (even if the audio quality was a little off) enough that I'd give a listen to any other works he might narrate in the future.

Having a personality is for people with friends

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Write that down write that down

Same with Graham's hierarchy of disagreement.

To understand that, we have to apply a bit of inductive logic, phrased as questions: - Who benefits from a population unable to pull apart their speeches, campaigns, promises and bullshit? Among other people, politicians. - When or where might a population best learn the skills of logic and rhetoric? At school, primarily state schools. - Who is in charge of setting the curricula for schools? The politicians. Supposedly from the advice of experts, but this is routinely shown to be ignored. Having people dictate a system over which they stand to reap advantage from guidance detrimental to the majority is... well, corruption of vested power, but it happens all the time.

Because the right and religious dont want public education.

@@cameronhector9074 That's a nice thought, but the reality is simply that at such an early age logic is not something you can learn properly. In 3rd grade (8 y/o) children are doing basic math, adding, multiplying, and are starting to learn fractions. They JUST grasped the concept of an abstract number, no longer needing math problems to be explained using objects like "If you had 10 apples...". Their brains are not there just yet for such a thing. To you right now it may seem incredibly easy but remember you had to learn all this in the past, and it was pretty darn hard. Same thing applies to logic. After searching through documentation from multiple organizations it seems everyone agrees that around 13 Y/O is when you can start understanding formal logic and apply it properly. Coincidentally, this is the age at which physics and more advanced maths appear in schools (at the very least in my country). At this point it becomes a problem of "where do I put this thing". Physics and mathematics at this level do not use validity/soundness/cogency in any way, shape or form and without that you cannot begin to deconstruct an argument. History, geography and many such subjects do not use formal logic anywhere. You would have to create a new subject specifically to teach logic and everything about it, but you'd have to eliminate another subject, or dedicate even less time to each than they have now. And which one would you eliminate? From the top of my head I can't think of one subject that does not serve any purpose for a child/teenager.

@@LetztezBatallion counterpoint, as early as blues clues the notion of gathering evidence to come to a conclusion was demonstrably teachable to children. Gotta lay the foundation first.

gaydar: eyebrows

Im glad Im not the only one

Olly so pretty The HAIR and the slight shadow of a beard and the FUCKING eyebrows I am too gay for this video and also the world

Olly is so pretty in this episode

Olly do be preddy

The left has a single brain we have to take turns using

@@egirlSkeletor At least we have one to share :).

I don't know. When he was talking about inductive argument I got reminded of Boolean Algebra and now I only remember (in horror) that.

friendlySkeletor it’s cause of all the soy it’s made us hive minded

@@valemortez We don't curse around here, this is supposed to be a forum for civilized discourse! Boolea---psssht, reported!!

Julio Caesar's about to sing Bright Eyes' greatest hits

julius caesar about to make a blink 182 cover band

@@squiggles6861 Brhh c'mon‽ ... DO BETTER.

Julius Caesar about to cry himself asleep while listening to Sunny Day Real Estate.

She's an actor, so that's just a Tuesday.

Wait, oh! I thought this was an entirely different person! Not her pre-transition lol

@@foxfriends8072yeah, I was under the assumption this was her brother /j

Theater.... It changes people

And that isn't even a challenge for him- the entire 30 minute Men. Abuse. Trauma. video is one take also :) That theatre training, man, it's *legit* ! No for real though, gimme all the hours of Olly being the bomb actor he is and performing awesome monologues

@@stephaniel2850 whaaatttt. I'm gonna check it out!

Try doing a whole 3 hour play that way. Used to do it all the time. Looking back, though, I don't really know how I did it. Can't even remember my driver's license number half the time now ha.

@@_dr_ake I expect a video from you of a single take that is 30 minutes long by the end of the month. You know, since it's so easy.

He knows we can't get enough.

You can't rush greatness.

I need as much Thorn as possible

It was a very dense 30 minutes. Meanwhile Hbomb can't say "the writing sucks" in under 2 hours.

@@chriscauley4182 Makes for entertaining background noise though.

Nice WH reference

The blood of God is blood!

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

@@isabelh5561 what does WH stand for? pretty sure it's just a technoblade reference

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 It stands for Warhammer, the game that the "blood god" and "skull throne" lines come from.

Love that smirk

Spotted a couple of easter eggs. She does an Amy Coney Barret voice that's pretty much just her normal voice

owned and wrecked

*AND THE HAMMER OF REASON!!1!1!!1one*

@@arandomcomment1092 weedq

Also CHARLES DARWIN vs KARL MARX: RECKONING

Nice number of likes.

best part is it should be "Nolite Occidere these dudes"

@@danielburns3240 haec dudos? Was not my forte in high school.

"Nôlite occidere haec viris" probably

@@begrackled Dudes (3rd declension) sounds better to me but that's just preference

I loved him in Vento Aureo.

And of your Luso-Italian flag.

@@duxnihilo Luso-Esuriitian flag.

Mispronounced the heck out of the Latin, though

@@broccoliflorette1970 there are multiple pronunciations. His surely isn't classical maybe it's vulgar latin?

"prompting the question" I love that phrase!

@@General12th I always used "raising the question" but "prompting" is good too.

Aren't they supposed to be the ones who made him the dictator?

​@@futurestoryteller As I recall the story the senators were a bit upset about the fellow in the end.

@@futurestoryteller they named him dictator and gave him many other titles and political positions, then started pointing the finger "oh-oh this guy has too much power! Let's kill him, lads!" but in Latin. "Occidamus illum, amici!" (???)

They made him dictator, then killed him because that is aLwAyS bAd. Then they read his will and he had left ALL his possessions to the citizens of Rome and prolly had Rome's best interest at heart lol. Ataturk and Lee Kuan Yew are great examples of dictators who made Turkey and Singapore respectively way better for their citizens.

Michael Watkins And Pedro II of Brazil. Though he was a monarch, the power concentration is virtually the same.

LMFAO

Don't eat the crab dip!

How did everyone comment on this 30 min ago when it was published like 1 min ago.

How was this comment posted one week ago?

@@thestorytellingmathematician I'm wondering the same thing. Maybe the video was unlisted for a while and they had the link to it

Looked for this! I almost fell out of my chair laughing!

Ordaaaaaa

Eh. Lindsey Hoyle is better

Orda ordaaa

Word.

Exactly.

Saaaaaame

I wanna upvote you but you're on 69 so I'm comming back later

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Cause most of us are ignorant and won't know the diff 😒😥

Most anti Italian media since 30 Rock

As a half Italian, I don’t really care

It's like a new version of this picture of Cpt. Picard with the caption "Use the force, Harry!" - Gandalf.

Nationalism should always be mocked. Just like all forms of bigotry. ^-^

Yes, unfortunately some/many/most history teachers are boring, which leads to a disproportionate percentage of boring people continuing to study it to become qualified enough to teach and perpetuate the cycle, thus assisting in the perpetuation of the worst aspects of history endlessly repeating. Hopefully, with the proliferation of the internet and "free" access to passionate historians and teachers, a broader spectrum of people will be inspired to learn more history and pass that knowledge on in an increasingly broad manner so that lessons can really be learned from the past and terrible mistake left in the history books, rather than copied and pasted every few decades to centuries.

No wonder its dull, if they just read it from the source, whereas a teacher who walks around in front of students and has memorized it almost in 1:1, would indeed be much more interesting to hear/watch. "I can just read it myself..." Every teacher is boring non-educating if they just read stuff from the book, no matter the subject.

It actually makes sense in context -> The slaves would not be able to "say" anything that would be then put as a public announcement [there were laws specifically made to prevent this anarchical use of "free speech" by the non-free]. -> If they did it anyways, both the owner of the slave AND whoever was reponsable of comunicating this announcement would be fined & humiliated.

That Text Crawl is a Mood for me.😏

@@adolfodef Also, polling people barely related (or actively opposed) to the topic at hand is still a pretty common tactic for getting misleading statistics. In contemporary news, getting your data about trans kids' happiness by polling _parents_ of trans kids _from anti-trans web communities._

I've actually recently heard people (using that term loosely here) make the argument that blacks were happier when they were slaves ...

@@KaiHenningsen We were happier when we were babies (not so dissimilar to pets/slaves when you analize it). -> Great Power & Freedom comes with Great Responsability & Duty.

It's the new "thanks for watching, if you were"

Which video was that from? I can't quite remember.

I thought he was casting a subtle spell right there... hmm

Didja know James Bond is Italian?

I'd already had that thought before he mentioned it, too aware that the video was nearing the end and that I'd already forgotten the start. Learning requires a lot of repetition, coupled with the commonly cited trick of learning to teach, you retain information better if you do so with the intent of passing it on, rather than just hoping it stays on a brain shelf. In that regard, I'd love more of these. Even stuff that's shorter or purely in audio form. Hey Ollie, you're not busy right? Not moving or anything? Podcast?

Out of curiosity, what prompted you to search up some BreadTube vids?

If you are able to question your views were you ever really a "alt-righter"? Congrats to you mate, a lot of people refuse to give their opposition a listen. Let alone actually internalize what was said.

I don’t think you were ever really an alt righter then. Good for you man

@@heyzeuscreestow9394 Funnily enough the ideology I subscribed to for a while (What some would call "Slavros Fascism") encouraged not ever questioning your views, dressed up in a nice fancy wordy way that swayed me more than it should have. It basically boiled down to "Fascism is the only Truth, and everything else is a lie, because Fascists worship and accept Truth without ego, whereas non-Fascists will always advocate solely in their own interests regardless of Truth." To accept that you kind of have to accept that there is a single objective Truth, which after watching PT's video on Peterson, I doubt.

@@melgibson6093 it sounds like you went pretty deep down into some dark places. I'm glad you're managing to find your own path, now. We're happy you've found your way here. Or at least, I am.

@Caedmon Kline seems like Me Olliver did not manage to teach me something. Thanks for the clarification ❤️

@@harshadasamant6907 no you’re right, it is a circular argument. The assumption that “all trans people are valid” is already assuming the conclusion that this particular person is trans and valid. The argument can’t be refuted with the way the premise has been set.

Also if by “valid” they mean that they are a gender that doesn’t line up with their biological sex, then no they aren’t valid.

@@Srewotgames no, the first premise only informs all trans people are valid. It's the second premise that gives information about OP being valid. It's like a=b, b=c, therefore c=a. That's not circular, right? However, your next comment suggests that you might be transphobic so idk if you'd agree to logic.

@@harshadasamant6211 maybe you’re right idk it’s 4am and I’m arguing in a philosophy RU-vidrs comments :(

So happy you're out, mate. Sorry to hear about the hardships you've experienced. Love and solidarity, always!

Many of us have similar stories. Do you have any friends or family you can talk to about these things? I've found it really helpful.

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@Michael Pondo He's not always, or even often, the relevant figure, and this is especially true for non-US persons, like the person here! Plenty more fashy fish in the fash ocean :(

Cicero: “kill them. Kill them *now* “

Dew it

"Eat him, DE WIT"

Is it possible to learn this power?

@@iLeven713 not from a roman

God damn.

You're not The Needledrop

He did it for the video or is it his new look? Is he transitioning? lol

@@Sofia-xy4me it's rude to speculate about that.

As someone who posesses that talent,it's something you can't learn unfortunately

Edith Piaf vibes

I couldn’t figure out what the difference was, why he was looking so damn pretty. It’s the brows and that hair.

@@philippcrain Julius Caesar never called himself Emperor and was never called that. Neither was Augustus called that.

Which is a funny call back to the argument that history will remember the punishment more than the crime.

@@philippcrain Well there's some controversy over whether Caesar actually was trying to become officially king or not. Certainly the folks who killed him thought he was and there are a few incidents during Caesar's rule that support this (like the time Marc Antony tried to give Caesar a crown and Caesar waited to gauge the crowd's reaction before rejecting it, or him going around wearing purple, a king-associated color). Romans hated the idea of a king, and in many ways it took a few centuries before the emperors of Rome could really rule openly as monarchs rather than the fiction of being "first among equals" while pretending the senate and elected offices still mattered (and those elected offices stayed throughout the imperial period even though the elections had mostly been a sham since even before the Republic fell).

*insert joke here about the "HAMMER OF REASON"

He was actually trying to become 'speaker' for life. The last king of Rome was thrown off the cities walls when they became a republic. 'Speaker', or 'dictator' in Latin, was a position that the senate had to vote on, usually in an emergency, such as open war between nobles, bureaucratic problems, etc. It had a time limit and the speaker could do whatever was necessary to bring the problems under control, but would be held accountable afterwards for any laws that were broken in the process. They eventually abolished the position until Sulla's mentor was elected into the position. Then Sulla got the position which led to a rebellion against him (with Caesar among them). But, at the time Julius Caesar asked to be made speaker for life, he was close to 60 and most Roman nobility lived only till their 70's, meaning he would only have had the position for 10 years. His nephew Augustus became first emperor after the fallout from Julius Caesars assassination (from the Latin word 'imperator' which means commander).

As an unwashed Christian, my apologies to the lion, may he get well soon.

Which is why it’s far more humane to crucify them. Poor lion.

Ok, I'll be "that guy" ... there were no Christian martyrs in the First Century BEFORE CHRIST

it's a bit of a stunner yea

She knowingly cosplayed/larped as a dude for over a yeah. We have been fooled and bamboozled. Lol. For real though I'm glad she's finally out and hopefully proud.

It was Abby Thorn all along!

What you mean

I’m not so much glad we’ll not be seeing this male character. It’s more like… mourning? I liked the male character, and I like the Abby character, but as we’ll not be seeing the male character again it feels like the end of something good even as it makes way for something better.

"he has a right to be heard" lol

Right?! I kept thinking - wow, maybe he was arguing against his inner demons. Then the Senate gave him the green light saying, nah resisting urges is futile...and so his inner battle was lost, or won 🤣

@@juliapardieutroyer9993 aint no caesar need no green light from no senate

Caesar: Killing Romans, *because they killed Romans* is wrong

They set the precedent for him

The senate started it. They declared him a public enemy.

Me and the girls are murdering some dudes in the senate tonight ✨♥️😊 self-care 🧖♥️♥️♥️✨

I though this was a period eating joke lol

@@kx7500 Haha. What?

@@gwencere9383 BDG reference.

@@RFLCPTR Hell yeah

At some point you’re gonna need to re-evaluate your expectations

All i see is Jared Leto

All I see is Spider-Man 3 but with slurs

"My ethno state may be white, but my soul is pitch black" --goth Richard Spencer

A goth Richard Spencer who also happens to be Julius Caesar

Oh wow Spill the TEA 👁👄👁

Wait. CEASAR FCKED BRUTUS' MOM?!

@@quilespiritu yeah and the two were close, since Caesar actually had a romantic attachment to his mother, Brutus’ whole history with Caesar and Pompey is nuts tea

@@nicolasbroaddus8819 so brutus basicly got revenge for his mom

@@davitdavid7165 No, actually, the two men were quite friendly, since his mother and Caesar seemed to have a legitimate affection. Caesar had tapped Brutus to be a Consul within just a few years. Worth noting that Brutus' mom was twice widowed, and people generally accepted such women having lovers after childbearing age/widowhood

The Roman numerals are amazing

I feel like all the time he would have spent on a longer video went into the crawl

A Casual on Survival transcribed them all a few comments up

Christians in 60 B.C. are the highlight of it

Fun fact those are called chyrons

Yay to more philosophy! Although my favorite is on the Antifa.

Go watch some lectures if you want straight philosophy. This is art.

@@kida6460 what

@@TheGoslapa what?

@@kida6460 the person from the comment compliments Olly for teaching us how to do philosophy (something that Olly says in this video) and then you react by saying like that this isn't philosophy, its art? I mean, I also think it is art but your answer didn't sound right to me. it doesn't really matter that much, I just remembered that I had to respond u so here am I

As a fellow Italian: tu quoque brute fili mi

So ..... What does James bond relate to you?

Seconded

The offence was Never Meant

23 times?

Oh god same

Spider man 3 vibes

F

“My lord... is that emo?” *I will make it emo.*

You can say he's NOT OKAY (I promise)😉

I'm not related to Philosophy Tube, but I wish I was because he is a major hottie

@@NimhLabs Isn't it better to not be related if you find him attractive?

@@psychedelicpegasus7587 shhhhh let her have her sweet Alabama moment (not)

@Kenneth Myers even his dump on SoundCloud sound like FRICKIN masterpieces

Arent most of Olly's videos incredibly good at satisfying those three types of people in particular?

@@demilembias2527 they have to be, cuz his eyebrows are bugging me to death... 😬

Hi Johnny, could I ask you some questions for an assignment for a virtual/online ethnography course I'm following? (our assignment is to conduct a virtual ethnography of an online space/community and I decided to go for Philosophy tube fans/enthusiasts/followers > possibly broadening the scope to 'BreadTube'/'LeftTube'). Thanks!

@Charles R. Law Great, thanks! It's just for this small assignment - I won't use your screen name and the only person reading my assignment will probably be the course instructor. I am wondering.... Whether you consider yourself an Olly fan, or Philosofan, as he used to call his followers in earlier videos? Whether you think of this space (Olly's videos and the comment sections underneath the videos) as a community in a sense? And would you consider yourself to be part of that community? Why (not?)? And would you consider yourself part of other communities here on RU-vid? Could you name one or two? Regarding your comment: Is it something you do quite often, commenting under videos? And are your comments often quite serious, such as this one, or also ironic? And (how) does it matter to you if and how people reply? Would you say that there are any norms or conventions specific to Olly's content, his followers and how they (inter)act? Or broader, specific to LeftTube?

Charles R. Law thanks for your input! And re: your comment; I asked that question to a couple of ppl and most of their comments were serious. I copy pasted here and there, haha, but yea your comment was def tongue in cheek. Thanks for pointing it out tho :)

Yeah, and she was already a woman back then iirc so she had to act as a man acting as a ghost. Props to her

"I also want to emphasize repeatedly as I say this - I'm not angry."

Darren Grimeseus

Caesar is the new spokesperson for Turning Point Rome

@@skippykay599 or Young Romans Foundation

Gives me German synth band vibes

Hes not conservative though lol. He was pretty leftist economically I felt

I know almost nothing about what people were mad at Caesar for but I do know that they stabbed him about it.

It's not often I defend Caesar, but I think trying even somewhat to hold people to the rule of law is commendable.

It's very funny indeed that Ceasar is still more remembered *to this day* for being stabbed to death than for any of the power hungry bullshit he did to get to that position. Plus, of course, even people how know why will still defend him and condemn the senators that stabbed him.

@@lorddashdonalddappington2653 that's precisely the reason why prosecution out of anger victimising the criminal is not in country's best interest Ceasar's point proven

@@Invizive Uh... thanks for the summary I guess?

1:23 also hits different now

I'm going to have to not look at the video and just listen because his face is just too distracting in the good way 😂

His skin is especially smooth and glowing today, I think

@@maia_gaia Make-up game is strong 🔥

Shoutout to Ollie's eyebrows. They was on point

@Electric Sheep new mic or voice training, as well? or just in my head?

Not just that. A Palpatine reference. “Kill them. Kill them now.”

He actually sounds so much like Hbomberguy in that apology... if he wanted he could absolutely impersonate Harry.

@@Eli-su6ql I was convinced for 2 weeks she got him to do that voice over

Carthago delenda est???

Only after two/three wars though

ThisIsMyRealName the salt thing is nonsense. Africa (the Roman province roughly equating to Tunis in the Carthaginian hinterland) was the breadbasket of Rome prior to the annexation of Egypt. Also... horrible sackings of cities were pretty normal for antiquity.

eVeN AftEr CaRtHaGe WRONGED us wE AcTed wItH rEStrAint (by burning it down and salting the earth)

For Julius Caesar? Totally legit. The Senate, the law, everyone : Gaius Julius Caesar, you're not allowed to cross the Rubicon with your army Caesar : 😏 oops, I tripped

at least this video was good

@@PeKaNo :(

@@PeKaNo as someone who's never liked RWBY, but all their friends fawn over it constantly, his latest video was like a shining beacon in the darkness.

Your dad?? Did he change his mind?? O.O

@@chubs191 mood

That's why you have to ask them their basic assumptions, and then get them to explain to you how the underlying logic behind those assumptions is not racist. Believe me, it's not that I've cracked the code when it comes to arguing with lunatics or anything. But at the very least they'll enter cognitive dissonance mode, like the policeman Ollie was talking about.

"you just assume everyone who disagrees with you is racist" Seems like you and the speaker you're arguing against have different definitions of racism, yet both (or at least your opponent) visualize extremely negative consequences for being assigned such a label. To the point that the consequences would happen even if the label came up under a dispassionate, rational discussion. Like Olly said, a large part of debate is rhetoric - without proper rhetoric to reassure the listener that they're not being personally called out, or that they won't stand to personally lose standing if they continue the discussion, their ability to engage in the discussion will be compromised, and they will assume that it's _you_ who's arguing in bad faith, because your callous disregard for secondary consequences may be mistaken for active malice - in other words, "you're not trying to change their minds, you're trying to make them look bad".

@@roadent217 To be fair, given how frequently people have often made up their minds before engaging in argument and how they tend to describe those with opposing political stances (just ask Steve Crowder to describe leftist-liberals or Jim Jeffries to describe conservatives and you should be provided with all the data you need), the assumption that people have stopped caring about convincing opponents and are more interested in mocking them in front of an audience is one that holds true more frequently than not for 'heated discussions' held on social media (feel free to deconstruct this argument - if there are issues with it, I want to know so I can improve)

The solutions by multiple people here to address bad faith arguments are technically usable. The issue is, by experience, that the opposition will respond by claiming that your response is nitpicking, meaningless wordplay or something else that they can use to avoid responding to the actual arguments presented or issues pointed out. As expected from bad faith arguers, of course, and it's not like you can force anyone out of that. And then they repeat their bad faith arguments, maybe there, maybe later somewhere else. But at least it helps both to keep up the good faith thinking and criticism even if the flow is against it, and to possibly nudge some readers to the right direction.

That's because the assumption that these sort of people are racist really saves time. Due to their racism.

Indeed

I had not even caught that, thank you.

It's a dogwhistle. Olly is a fascist. He's been feeding us all subliminal messages every time we watch a video. We're all fascists now.

Well observed.

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I wonder if Caesar had any time to prepare this speech, or if it was done on the fly. If Caesar had the time to prepare, this is not a good look with too many big leaps and huge assumptions. However it is pretty good for an impromptu speech. (Or could be a theater piece and i'm a massive idiot for not checking it)

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Yavuz Selim Yağsan When broken down point by point, the assumptions look bad, but the trick of giving a speech is in the rhetoric and the way it’s delivered. In a situation like the senate where people wouldn’t have had time to break his speech down point by point, the assumptions he makes would go largely unnoticed. Plus, while the speech is arguing for exile, it’s main purpose is to argue against summary execution, and therefore making some assumptions towards the end about exile means less than if his entire speech was just about exile without having to calm the senate down from their thirst for blood

"Classics education mostly used for writing esoteric background jokes" can confirm

I have a doubt actually can you tell me

Did not expect to see you here

I had a physics professor who would tactically drop an anecdote about his guinea pigs when he felt attention dropping

Carlllllll you're here! Nice vibe check my guy

Yup he's an awesome actor

He’s said his favourite Shakespeare speech is Marc Antony’s funeral oration, and you can TOTALLY see him absolutely nailing it when you see him doing this.

I keep coming back for his spot on James Bond impression.

Maybe Ollie Thorne playing Julius Caesar should be the new British prime minister.

Almost everyone does, but if you've ever seen anyone wince at the phrase, now you know why.

same level of cringe as people using devils advocacy as their main talking point

It basically has two meanings now. The rhetorical/philosophical meaning that Olly describes, and the more casual meaning of "raises/prompts the question," which has become more common.

I refuse to accept it, which begs the question: Am I just stubborn?

Most do.

Sorry for being such a pedantic nerd, but Discotheca should be in the ablative case since it’s a locative, so it’s Pavor! in Discothecā

@@noidea4254 Don't blame yourself, but what you said is exactly why I stopped learning Latin

@@noidea4254 No worries. I figured someone with knowledge in Latin would correct me if I were wrong. Thanks for the clarification!

@@nlabonte Aww, no problem

​@@ILikedGooglePlusHaha, no worries, I totally get it. I had it as an elective for 3 years in middle school and quit for similar reasons. I wouldn't recommend it unless you're a masochist who's very into languages. To be fair, the classroom culture was amazing and we did more mythology, history, movie analysis etc. than we did actual grammar so it was actually pretty fun.

I was thinking the same thing and was about to write it in a comment

Which is why “Giorno Giovanna” still qualifies as “JoJo”.

Let your pedant flag fly free, friend.

Also "mi ciamo"

His name is james bond not giamoco bondini.

also calls him italy’s most famous “historical figure” lmao

And nobody in Italy is called Jameso

Fucking lost it during this part

S. O'Sullivan in a video featuring *Julius Caesar* XD

You can upload them together with the video. It's actually not that hard if you have already written a script in the first place, I think Google can figure out the timing by itself.

Antoine Chauvet it would still need to be manually edited for accuracy, and it’s hard for videos of this length, but yes it’s possible to upload captions as you upload and it’s easier when you have the script available. I think accessibility is very important but it takes time and effort to do it well and I’m glad he does - plus I love the notes over the end credits!

@@crazykenna Having done subtitles, timing is the easiest part, even if you do it 100% manually. If you're used to it it can take from twice to three times the length of the video typically.

@@meneldal I guessed as much considering they were already up. I haven't seen any other youtuber do that though, they always seem to add them quite a while after uploading. Though it's possible that I have just been unlucky about it, as I usually watch videos days after they're uploaded, so it could be that the few videos I've watched within hours of uploading have just been ones where they forgot.

They didn't even chop his head off right, this is so sad, can we reinstate the Roman Republic?

Look at the bright side -> It means THE SECOND COMING is gonna happen within our lifetimes! xD

@@adolfodef Either that, or some preacher is going to have a vision of it already having happened and Jesus already got executed again, so he's gonna write some more books about it.

@@adolfodef I could take this a lot of ways, but the early apostles thought the second coming was going to happen within their lifespans as promised. They are all dead, so don't hold your breath. Also, the second coming of Christ is predicted every couple of years, also wrong every time. Preterism is a very well researched Biblical interpretation that believes the prophecies in the Bible have already occurred, so if they're right, again, don't hold your breath. Also, the decline of the overwhelming power of neoliberalism, capitalism, and the United States, all recent inventions compared to end times prophecies (although not the rapture narrative, which is also a very recent invention) seem unlikely to be signals of ancient prophecies. Plenty of other nations and systems have come and gone, and graver times have been faced. Building hope ourselves and working toward a better world will always be more promising than waiting and relying on something whose most reliable track record is that every single person who has predicted it so far has been wrong. There really is plenty of hope without it.

Argamis (SilverComet) “The Second Coming!” My favorite poem.

Oh come on don't be dramatic

Is he goin to give his hat to museum or smth?

I thought he did music reviews

And he is also mixed race

Idk I don't listen to Logic

It's Logi-CKED, seriously, we've talked about this before.

Yes, lol, especially the bit about the lion getting sick after eating an unwashed Christian.

@@Revelwoodie I liked the IX people, V horses injured bit. Roman numerals jokes always tickle me.

@@Revelwoodie The early bird gets the worm, the early Christian gets the lion.

“Roman slaves are the happiest, according to slave-owners” the bottom news feed is filled with gold

_"Chariot-sharing app sparks protests from horse union"_ _"Lucius Cornelius Chrysogonus arrested in connection with Jeffrey Epstein"_ _"Study shows university classics education mainly used for writing esoteric background jokes"_

I knew there was a good reason why I’m subscribed to you

Bloody hell didn't expect you here!

nice seeing you here

Toby is a leftist? Nice

PumpkinKitsune pretty sure they once did a collab? Or at least there was a cameo AAAAAAGES ago. Or maybe I imagined that.