Literally was coming to your channel to see if I could find this subject in your tutorial series.... -find out this was just posted yesterday... MusicTechHelpGuy always coming through! Glad I didn't spend $50k to go to audio engineering school
i think you can now run the midi instruments as a side chain source, so no need to make extra sends or bus's. Your vids are amazing. its like going back to music school. thanks again
Thank you MTHG. Have made multiple templates for myself in Logic so it's all dialed up and ready to go. Works well for the Downtempo style as well for certain vibes. There are a few other methods out there too, but this one is my go-to for most of my sidechain needs.
Way easier is to put an audio kick on a random audio track with NO output stretched along the whole track and select that audio track for sidechain in the compressor on the track you want to sidechain. When you got parts in your song with no (midi) kick, you still got the sidechain effect without hearing the kick as it has no output. You don't need any bus or extra routing like shown here. Important for the sidechain impact length is that with an audio kick, you can short the kicklength for a much tighter or longer sidechain effect.
I always do the same And I like this method more than others. but I still want to improve it. to expaian what I mean it's better to ask this question "What if I need to use the exaxtly the same output wave shape of my midi kicks which already had some EQ, compression...on it. I mean I want to use the same similar output of my midi kick on trigger kick in this method. should I do copy/paste all plugings which is on midi kick slot? or there is any specific routing way to reach this result I am looking for? I am trying to create a template which fulfiill this idea
Thanks so much for this amazing, amazing series of Logic Pro X tutorials. The package is enormous and your information is so helpful! It has saved us hours of hard slog. Cheers Mate from Glenn & Dave.
Another trick for this, because if you have parts where the drums drop out but you still want the sidechain to engage and for consistency through the track, is to make duplicate the kick track, and copy over the kick audio, and run the sidechain through that channel. Then on the channels strip, where it says “stereo out”, select “no output”. Won’t hear the second kick but sidechain will still kick in.
@@jamie36 not sure, but I don’t think so as there would then be no signal triggering the compressor. When you set it to “stereo out” to no output, the signal is still there to trigger the compressor. If the volume is down then there would be no signal triggering it. Don’t quote me though 😅👍🏼
@@Tom_Tom_Dad fair enough. I'm rather new to logic (as in, I've been using it for a year now) so I was just putting my first thoughts here lol. I'll have to experiment with it myself first but it just felt easier 😅
I remember something with a kick side chain... but then when I tried it, I was confused why it wasn't working... converting the midi to an audio file was the key. Thank you.
In more recent versions of Logic, you can now side chain input from software instrument tracks. But the input signal is based on the audio output of the instrument on the track, not the MIDI itself. So as long as you have an instrument loaded up, you can now use instruments as side chain inputs. At the time of making this video this was not possible.
Great video! One part that got me confused is that when creating a "aux track" you can choose to create a "Buss 1" by "right clicking the "input" dialog of the aux track. But when you have to route the other tracks to it you have to "right click" the output and select "buss 1" from the menu. Still very new to logic. Love all of your videos. Helping a ton.
I am new to producing EDM and I found this video super useful! I was a good step in the right direction. I was very happy once I accomplished this. Thank you for the help.
Great video! I also prefer using the filter option of the compressor in hi pass to get just a ticky kind of transient as the sc source. The release time can then be more controlled and to be significantly faster because the compressor doesn' t have to wait for the low frequencies tail to shut up. Of course there are various ways to do the same thing. (messing around with the sc source)
Amazing job, thanks a lot dude! Old school methods are really the best ways to learn the basics and how to be efficient :-) Very clear and precise tutorial, cheers!
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!!! THIS HELPED ME SO MUCH!!! I was not only able to fix my mistakes by trying to do it myself, but also you made it easy to understand.
really enjoying these extra bonus videos with cool tricks. Keep these coming, they're fantastic. Also, would you be against doing song remakes? Maybe doing 1 song from each different genre, like rock, edm and hip hop? I think that would be cool for us who have watched most of your videos to watch your workflow and how you would go about producing different sounds, while combining many of the things you've shown us.
+Rm Wreckurd I've considered it, but I would not be able to play the original song in the video because I'll get flagged for copyright. Too many of those, and the channel will get shut down. :(
actually a better option is to send the buss aux to "no output" which is pretty much deleting it from playing... you do this because otherwise it would be playing the sound twice. once on the track. and once on the bus. but even with the bus sent to no output, muted, or deleted... the compressor will still read the midi files and duck it like its supposed to.... tbh if you watch like 2 other youtube tutorials on ducking bass in logic you will most likely find this method of doing it.
And also to set the compressor so that it always reaches the zero point between the pumps so when there's no sc source active, you don't have to deal with any extra channels with the volume being particularly high. (not as an any kind of rule thoug)
A lot has changed this this video. In older versions of Logic, the sidechain source had to be an audio track, or the audio signal coming from an aux track. In newer versions of Logic, you can directly use a MIDI instrument track as your sidechain source.
Easier way; if you use ultrabeat or similar with multi outs, make an output for the kick, send it to an aux, remove the aux output, open a compressor on the target track and select sidechain, using the recently created aux. Neater, housekeeping wise...
MTHG - Was looking for really a simple way of SC'ing, as I got the perfect example from you. Now a days, Using NR-Kick, Volume Shaper has been really robotic kinda effect which works like 1/4,1/8 etc (but useful for Dance music). 'Only works when bounced into Audio file' was the answer was looking out for.. Thanks man. Regs- Sourav aka Neon Komet
30dB of compression 😳 holy shit! I don't mix EDM so I don't ever see the needle moving like that. Cool to see a compressor used in a stylistic way tho. I would've gone with a slightly slower attack time and quicker release, the compressor was grabbing it so quickly it was rounding off the attack which put it at odds with the kick. But I'm a rock & metal guy so what do I know lol. Cool video
idk what I'm doing wrong but when i go to compressor i don't hear anything? i followed your instructions but something i did not must have been wrong? the compressor shows there is activity but i don't hear any sound?
Good video. The only drawback, if I'm understanding right, is that effect changing the uniformity of the mix after the sequence. Or am I missing something?
Yeah, sometimes in order to get a deep pumping/ducking effect with this, you have to bend over backwards to get it right in the mix, and re-gain stage the compressor so it doesn't clip on the peaks of the ducking.
So I tried to apply the same instructions to a wav sample. When i bus the sample, I dont get sound. I get channel signal, but no sound. Any way to help sidechain samples
I followed these instructions with my bass and kick and now the bass is not audible. I can see the signal coming through on it's channel strip. Beyond frustrated
I'm trying to set up a side chain compressor on an aux bus. I know how to do this and to assign the compressor to side-chain to the track of the kick drum. My problem is the instrument tracks that I would like to have ducked under the kick are already assigned to a SUM (Track Stack), which is Bus 11. If I switch the Bus of these tracks to the aux bus with the side chin compressor, then they will no longer be controlled by the Sum track. Is there a way to set up both Bus 11 and Bus 16 (For side-chain)? If so, can someone please explain how to set this up? Thanks!!
Excellent video, good presentation manner. Is this really the only kind of application for side chaining? I only record actual physical instruments in the Rock genre, is there any scenario whereby side chaining might be relevant to me? I've never really been into that ducking effect, it has always sounded to me like a badly set up compressor but I know it has become a fairly typical effect found in electronic music. Would rock bands use this effect maybe in a more subtle way to help for example a snare drum cut through a mix or some other application like that? I suspect that side chaining is probably a whole subject of it's own!! Any information appreciated.
Got a question: what are the PROs and CONS of routing the "to be pumped" tracks through the extra track via OUTPUT versus adding a compressor to each of the "to be pumped" tracks and telling the compressor to source the SC GROUP track? is it better from a performance point of view, as the way you present it, you only have one compressor versus in the other scenario you would have multiple compressors?
