Well, I mean, Asgardians and Frost Giants live up to around 5,000 years, as confirmed by Loki in The Dark World film, so a few centuries to him is probably like just a few years to us. Plus, he's a god, so his mental fortitude is extremely high, way more than regular humans'.
@@primalvelocity3811spending centuries living a regular life and spending centuries stuck in a time loop trying to learn physics to safe his friends and entire branches of timelines is not the same surely. One is natural and the other is much more boring and stressful
@@marcopineda9507 Indeed. That was also in The Dark World film. A very underrated film, in my humble opinion. It's certainly better than the Love and Thunder film, at least to me, I'll tell you that much.
I love how it's played like a joke But in reality, it's really scary and inspiring that loki actually use 100+ years learning about everything that o.b knew And made his later statement "what a waste of time" even more painful
a century for asgardians who live for 5000 years is like 2 years to human lifespan. Which is like taking my 2 years master degree (which is also a waste of time 😔)
I can’t even imagine during the centuries of learning mechanics, engineering and physics. Like Loki must’ve repeated that single day so many times he probably lost count
Loki spent centuries learning, talking with friends, and with each reset, mastering his powers as well. Centuries without aging but getting more and more powerful, and now he's literally holding all of the MCU together.
Can you believe how strong will you have to possess to actually learn sth like that for centuries?! Not to mention the intelligence ... But seriously, the patience of this guy! 💚
Very true, but being a sorcerer I imagine learning this isn't that far from his capabilities. So in comparison, to say maybe Thor trying to learn it, I bet he caught on faster than most 😉 Also, already having knowledge of science, space and time 👌 Amazingly impressive either way
Bro did you shorten “something” to “sth”? Jesus Christ… just when I though we’d finally hit the wall of stupidity in ebonics. And you’ve already edited your comment at the time of me writing this. Don’t try that “oh I meant smth” bullshit. You should’ve caught it during the edit. But no, you pressed send before proof reading the final product. Shame.
Well, that's because you're a regular human, as the rest of us are. Loki is a god, who lives up to around 5,000 years, as confirmed by Loki himself in The Dark World film, so a few centuries to him is probably like a few years to us. Plus, his mental fortitude is extremely high, way more than regular humans', being a god.
You know what just blows my mind about this too. Is that he spent and lived literal centuries, learning this, and spent it with all of them. Lived all those centuries of life AND THEN went back to his body in the timeline BEFORE all those centuries. So essentially he lived multiple lifetimes of learning and knowledge, experience and life, with his friends. Then clipped of all the physical age of it. All that knowledge and growth and experience, in his mind, of his own body only centuries younger. Wild. You know how beneficial that would be, if you could do that. Even just one human lifetime. Imagine being able to live till you die of old age, then take all of that, all you experience, all you learned, everything... back into say, your 20yr old body. Amazing 🙌
It would be pretty cool. Reminds me of that black mirror episode where they can put a version of you in a ‘computer’ and speed up time, except it's actually you and your consciousness. But…its theorised that the human brain has a finite amount of ‘memory’, much like a hard drive, after a few reset life-times a human would simply start to forget stuff. Loki is a God though.
@@jackvearncombe9892 theorized but the theory is just based on nothing so... like it's probably true there are constraints on the brain but we really just have no idea what they are and there's no way for us to even get an idea of what they could be.
Loki learning the mechanics combined with is magic is what allowed him to control the branches at the end, those centuries of learning and study were not a waste.
What most don’t realize is that O.B. too has had centuries of Mechanics, Physics, and Engineering due to the time distortion of the TVA. That is why it took Loki centuries to at least catch up to O.B.
Like this is the complete opposite of what doctor strange did by learning magic. He managed to learn physics and engineering in the span of centuries to where he could build and improve a machine that can tamper with the fabric of the multiverse.
Back of the envelope calculation: Loki spent "centuries", so let's just say 400 years as a guess. A typical college degree takes 4 years, but Loki is a fast learner/god and probably spent all his time learning, so let's say he was able to do the equivalent to a college degree in ~ 6 months. Thus, he would have the equivalent of 800 college degrees of knowledge. This probably included both broad knowledge and highly specialized subjects, so he probably would know more than any genius on Earth, such as Tony or Bruce
@@ThePartisan13to be fair, they’re definitely not just using normal physics, mechanics and engineering but multiverses level of advanced versions of it, which would undoubtedly be leagues way more complex than the most complex scientific question and knowledge we currently have have. So yeah, if we assume Loki starts learning from the stand point as a starter, it would make sense that he would take centuries to learn *all* that knowledge and even be better than the literally multiverses IT guy
@@ThePartisan13all geniuses need a fresh perspecrive to speculate from. Difference between a genius and just an intelligent guy, is how bendable your grasp is of the knowledge you were given. But it's very typical for our unintelligent type to always point and laugh when someone makes one mistake or a couple. The road to discovery is littered with papers of discarded ideas.
This sort of explains why Loki is so attached to & willing to sacrifice himself to save these guys. He’s known them for centuries now. Otherwise it a bit weird that he cares so much for people he’s only known for a few months at most.
And to remember all their quips and jabs towards each other. I wonder if there were a few times where he time slipped back, do nothing and to just quietly hang around with them. Fk this makes me sad.
@@haroldramislives tbh I feel like he kinda gets unfazed about that... When Victor got shredded repeatedly loki was probably like here we go again in the show
Not really, most of his decisions aren't selfish, the problem is that most people treat him as such. Loki just never bothers explaining those people his motivations, which in turn gets him a bad reputation. In short, he sacrificed himself because that was the only current solution to a problem and he was tired of running away. I mean, what were the alternative solutions - abduct someone from their own timeline to replace him; plot and manipulate others until eventually a fitting person goes through the same process he did and make a decision to sacrifice themselves. That's what The One who Remains pretty much tried to alert Loki and Sylvie - multiple times, presumably, but they were stuck in loops of running away when faced with problems ( the only difference being Sylvie misplaced running away with desire for revenge ).
Let's not forget that Casey didn't skip a beat when Loki asked to learn, I have no doubt that Loki would've gone to him numerous times to get his knowledge when he was learning about math and physics since Casey memorized the TVA handbook as well (feel like OB would be too annoying/take too long to have to constantly go back in time and deal with his nonsense.)
How wholesome he became after spending hundreds of years with his friends he was trying to save. Probably made it easier for him to live with his infinite solitude he was about to have
Loki: "I've been falling for 30 minutes!" Ant Man: "I've been stuck in the Quantum Realm for 5 hours." Dr Strange: "I've been dangling on the Grand Canyon for 12 hours!" TVA Loki: (Spent centuries in a time loop) "Amateurs..."
The mechanics physics and engineering used to create the TVA was only possible by the shared knowledge from many kangs throughout the multiverse. It makes sense that it would take centuries to learn it all.
Yup. And now one naturally immortal being with already crazy levels of power...has it all. And decided to give everyone a real chance to live. Even ostensibly the Kangs. Too bad those guys are going to waste a golden opportunity just to try and conquer something that has pretty much become unconquerable now.
He had an infinite amount of time to learn, so he didn't necessarily study without breaks. He may have given himself vacation several times. Still, it's an impressive feat.
@lucabestea6844 Just anybody who has ever gone to graduate school in these subjects? BTW, Mechanics is a branch of Physics, not to be mistaken with Mechanical Engineering. In which there are also graduate programs. Engineers have been known to work like that, too. Which maybe is why flextime is a thing.
My guess is that O.B was right about it being decades but there a possibility that Victor might have noticed that Loki might be gaining knowledge by looping, because there is a limited of time until the melt down, Loki had to loop, learn a bit more whilst getting in the way of OB, Casey and Victor and then trial and error it to figure out every single mistake
yeah imagine all could be learnt in 30 years but do the circumtances, loki only have 20 minutes to learn something new, test it, see it fail and the loop have to start again due to the meltdown.... it would actually take centuries to complete this feat indeed.
Also the problem he's trying to fix is knowledge that has taken hundreds of years across kangs, ob, and you know time limit with physics engineering and mechanics.
I cant comprehend how dedicated Loki was to saving everyone he transcended what it means to be a hero to another level, he spent centuries learning physics just so he could save the world
When you think about it, he has, essentially, spent centuries with these people as he was learning the mechanics. It's no suprise that he's more goofy and friendly around them.
"The rings. The rings are too small. We're going to make them bigger." I don't know why but the way he says that is hilarious. Like a madman describing perpetual motion, except in this case he actually got really close
Loki spent his life looking for his glorious purpose(in all the wrong places), now that it's here and he alone can make a difference loki is highly motivated
Am I the only one who thought that there had to be a moment where Loki nearly discovered Kang's twist with the Loom but was too focused to give it that final thought it needed to solidify?
Loki demonstrates incredibly patience all throughout this episode. Not once does he get frustrated with his friends. He is calm, but quick, and he is always gentle. Makes me wanna cry 😢
now i perfectly understand why thanos tasked loki to invade earth and why doctor strange deemed him as "dangerous" , this version of loki would caused the avengers to fight each other pretty soon
After the last episode thor's quote of loki understanding what it means to have a throne better than anybody and everybody hits so much harder. The original loki he was talking to of course didn't but at the same time that one and the tva one are almost identical. Plus since the tva is out of the time stream loki both knew and didn't know that burden better than anybody. Just so deep and awesome
Indeed. Asgardians and Frost Giants live up to around 5,000 years, as confirmed by Loki in The Dark World film, so a few centuries to him is probably like just a few years to us. Plus, he's a god, so his mental fortitude is extremely high, way more than regular humans'.
the dedication of learning things for a century .. and not at optimal conditions... lets all take a moment to fathom.. every time he travels back in time its only for few hours, repeats this countless times, repeat the same story to OB and the others, figure out what he needs to learn .. the idea of this puts shivers down my spine .. for centuries
i love the way ouroboros and victor talk about how long it takes to learn all the physics, ouroboros seems to be only referring to the physics and engineering relating to the project, victor seems to tell him the actual answer loki's looking for and i think thats why he turned to him.
This is a actually the time what made loki accept the fate that he have to di what he had to do, nothing made more sense to loki then this that he needed his friends more then anything, every scenario he went through, all of his friends accepted what loki wanted to do even silvie, they were the only ones who believed in loki and helped him do what even wanted to do even without them realising that loki can travel through time and space
He became a different man after that. He was willing to spend centuries learning these topics to avoid being alone for eternity and having to leave his friends. He knew after the loom failed to hold all the branches after enlarging the loom, that it was the only way forward. It goes to show that He Who Remains, who also went through this very similar situation, chose Loki for the job.
I kind of wanted to see how he learnt all that...like: "Ok guys, I know we don't have much time, but I need you guys to stop what your doing and teach me mechanics until the looms overloads and breaks down", or if sometimes he just time skipped to take a break, still while everyone else is trying to save all timelines
As a physics major graduating this May after 7 years of perseverance and caffeine infused allnighters...yah, sounds about right. I mean, my major was a BACHELORS. A mere dip of the toes in the proverbial water. People who make physics their career, geez. And just imagine what Loki would have to learn in those centuries to operate a machine that sits as part of the very foundation of that universe's time.
MIND BLOWING commitment, like, really. Imagine having a plan that takes centuries to conclude??? Most people cant even make their new years resolution survive a month. The series really missed by not showing his struggle throught the centuries, it would also be important to show his attachement to the tva, once again, he spent CENTURIES living there.
Just saw this last night. LOVE both 1 and 2, wonderful story, casting, and art direction. A remarkable redemption arch story for Loki. After years of telling everyone he's a GOD, I think he really deserves his place in time after his true change of hart and sacrifices. This was the only scene I would have done different. A quick scene of the centuries flipping by would have been nice.
Loki spent centuries learning everything O.B. and Victor knew, and likely centuries and centuries more just repeating the time prior to the loom exploding working out every possible mistake to try and save the TVA. Like Groundhog Day, he spent so much time repeating events he started to learn what everyone would say depending on the situation. He stops being Loki of Asgard and becomes someone entirely different, to the point he cares about the people at the TVA and is terrified of being alone.
best part of the finale including the glorious purpose scene, loved this. it reminded me of when Barry from the Flash tv seriesgot his super intelligence.
I would love to see a scenne in avengers secret wars where bunch of characters try to figure how they went to battle world are and it's Loki who gives scientific expalanations how it's possible and all characters including eg. Bruce Banner and Thor are stunned by Loki's knowledge.