Thanks for watching the bar review video too. I really owed Holzfforma this review since they ultimately sent me replacements for the ones that didn't hold up. Again, thank you for being here, watching and encouraging me! have a great day
Great feedback on the bars Oakie. I hear ya on getting PPE to fit a big head - when I was born, Ma said the Dr took a picture of my head and the picture weighed 6 lbs! haha. I've got the Husqvarna Technical Helmet and I find it's def worth the extra money as it fits my big head and it's comfortable to wear.
902, your comment cracked me up. Read it to the wife and kids this morning even! Thanks for the information. Definately something on my future "get" list. See ya on the next one!
Great video! Have had opposite results the holzfforma chain was soft and bar was okay it was a silver/black 28” over a year ago. I finally got a black NOS Echo 27” just yesterday in the mail, it’s only going to be used when needed too. The 3-24” are less sharpening for sure and weight.
Glad you got that 27"bar. As far as I am aware, Oregon make them correct? Is there an equivalent Oregon bar, just painted differently? My chain that was hard was likely due to me using the grinder. It seems even though I would take small bits of material off, bouncing the wheel, the tooth would still get hot. There may be something else. Inconsistency could be the other factor. Glad to hear the silver and black bar have been good for you. I have considered the 28 myself. Thanks again.
I ordered a 24" Holzfforma bar & chain combo (includes a bar & three chains) pack this week for my Dad's 2004 Jonsered CS-2165 (Husky 365 would be similar). I ordered the 24" bar/chain combo pack (3/8 pitch, .058 gauge, 84 DL, D009 tail mount from Holzfforma on Sunday & received it today/Wednesday. The bar looks very nice! I kept everything the same as the 20" Oregon bar (3/8, .058, 72 DL , D009 tail mount) he already had on the saw, except for the drive link difference. I've been running some Forester bars on my own saws, and they have been OK. The Holzfforma bar seems better made to me, but time will time. My Dad is 82, and he hasn't been using his 65 cc saw very much in recent years. I have a large number of dead ash trees, & I plan to put his old saw to use. It's actually the same vintage as my 2005 CS-2152 chainsaw which has been my favorite chainsaw by far. I've been wanting a bigger saw for quite some time, but this one will do for now.
Excellent saw! Are they they silver and black Holzfforma bars? Did you get the full house, skip and milling chain combo? I am super interested to know what you think after you get it into some of that dead hard ash wood. Thanks for letting me know and I look forward to hearing from you.
@@oakiewoodsman Yes, I got the combo set you mentioned. I tried both the full house & skip chain the past couple days. My initial impression of their chains is quite good. I have some affordable .325 pitch Forester brand bars & chains for my smaller Jonsered CS-2152 & Husky 257 saws. I think the Holzfforma chains are superior. The Holzfforma bar looks very nice, but time will tell. I almost feel a one piece bar (versus replaceable tip) may be more solid. I didn't really need the milling chain, but this will give me an opportunity to try a skip chain (which I haven't done before). My dad's old CS-2165 pulls great with the 24" bar on it. If I get a 28" bar some day, I may run a skip chain on it. For now, I prefer the full house on the 24" bar.
Great information. I am yet to run skip myself. I feel as if it would be a good chain with a long bar and big soft wood. Keep running them, be safe and thanks for getting back to me.
The Echo CS-620P, CS-620PW, & CS-680P chainsaw bars use a D176 tail mount. If I were looking up a replacement bar, my first sort would begin there. Oregon offers 10 different 3/8th pitch bars (16" - 28") with that tail mount. Most (9 out of 10) are going to be .050 gauge (one 18" bar is .058). When I look at Holzfforma bar/chain combo packs, they seem to be made for Stihl or Husqvarna chainsaws. If I shop for an Oregon bar, I can make sure it has a D176 tail mount. Even a cheaper brand like Forester allows me to sort bars by tail mounts. Have you seen a Holzfforma bar that lists an Echo CS-620PW? I only ask, because I have considered buying the same saw you have some day. Holzfforma clones Stihl & Husky chainsaws, and their replacement parts seem to follow that trend. I recently bought an 18" Oregon VersaCut bar (.325 pitch, .050 gauge, 72 drive links, K095 tail mount). This VERSACUT™ GUIDE BAR, 18" (Part# 180VXLGK095) fits my 2005 Jonsered CS-2152, my dad's older 1996 Husqvarna 257, & a saw like your newer 545 Mark II. This same bar, however, would not fit a similar sized Echo CS-4910 or CS-501P, because those saws use a K216 tail mount. If I owned an Echo CS-501P, I would have to buy an OregonVERSACUT™ GUIDE BAR, 18" (Part# 180VXLGK216), & that would be my only 18" Orgeon bar choice. A K095 tail mount (common Husky/Jonsered) would give you 4 different 18" Oregon bar choices (using the same .325 pitch, .050 gauge, & 72DL). If one is unsure about buying the correct bar for an Echo chainsaw, Saw Suppliers (sawsuppliers.com) is a good place to start. They list the various Echo & Oregon bars that fit each Echo chainsaw model. Even if you don't buy your saw from them, it's a good place to get the right part #, because some Echo models do not use the same bars as Stihl or Husky. Current Echo saws seem to use K216 (50cc models), D176 (60cc models), & D009 (70cc models) tail mounts, and those may not match up with Stihl or Husky bars. If you own a Stihl or Husqvarna chainsaw, Holzfforma bars & chains may be a good option. If you own an Echo chainsaw, I would make sure the bar has the correct tail mount. The wrong one may still go on, but is it fitting properly (oiling correctly & such)?
Ok. Lots of great information! Ok first thing I can address is the prevalence of professional fallers using stihl bars on everything from husqvarna and even echo saws. Stihl uses larger studs. Both other saws require adapters/shims in order to properly center the bar on the studs. Husky large mount is right in the middle of stihl and Echo. I don't have any stihl saws and don't foresee any in the short term but you never know. I have in fact considered buying ALL stihl mount bars going forward so it is compatible with everything. Now, hypothetically, of echo REQUIRED a proprietary bar, I wouldn't buy it. Simple as that. Yes, there is a difference in the bar that came with the saw. The slot is smaller and the oil hole is TOO small. I am actually going to drill the oil hole out because it is literally too dang small. The Holzfforma Husqvarna mount bar oils great on the 620. In fact better than on the 372 clone saws. Also, there are "echo" bats on the farmertec website and I don't suspect there would be. My bar and loop from the clones work perfectly well and for that I am very thankful. I researched it like crazy and bought the 620pw believing that with a spacer it would be great and it has. Thanks for the comment! Sorry for any typos or poor formatting. In the car.
@@oakiewoodsman I own 72 acres of woods, & I have been burning firewood the past 20 years. My saws get a fair amount of work, but I am not a logger by any means. I can't imagine a Stihl tail mount adapted to a non-Stihl chainsaw makes it a superior bar by any means. Novice viewers may want to be reminded up front that Holzfforma's bars are designed for various Stihl & Husqvarna chainsaws (genuine & cloned chainsaw models). I'm glad to hear the Husqvarna bars are working so well on your Echo chainsaw. Echo bars, however, do exist. Oregon has 10 different bars designed for a saw like your CS-620PW. I wouldn't be so stuck on using a certain brand of bar unless it was really something special. If I am running a 50-60 cc saw, it will most likely have a .325 pitch bar & chain. If I am running a 60+ cc saw, it would be a 3/8 pitch bar & chain. That alone would not make them interchangeable, useless I want to be changing sprockets all the time. I appreciate you sharing how you are making the Husqvarna type bars work on your Echo chainsaw, because I was wondering if the first bar somewhat failed because of this?
@@driftlesshunter9200 Actually the failure occured on the saw it belonged on. The G372XP. So, interchangeability is critical to me because: I current have two 70cc husky clones, one 620p and I want a 562xp along with a 572XP saw sometime down the road. I am pretty sure that even the echo 7310 can run the same bar effectively and safely. As I buy nicer bars someday, they will all be Husky or even Possibly Stihl Specific so that way they can be run on everything. In fact, I have recently been drawn to the clone 660 saws. I will not have a huge selection of bars hanging in the shop with this practice. Check it out. Anytime you see a 592xp or 572xp with a Stihl light bar, it has been adapted to the husky large mount with spacers. Spacers are actually sold to adapt stihl to echo 620p mount style. I assure you, this is common practice even amongst professionals. Appreciate the dialogue and thanks for watching!
I would just stay away from them. On my most recent video I posted I show a 20” bar and it is is toast after very little usage. I do have a silver one with black tip, don’t have enough time on it to know if it is any good yet.
Thanks. Anyone can help me with an issue: I've checked all data on bar and in chain saw manual (18", pitch 0,325", gauge 0,058", links - 72) - ordered new chain. How can it be old chain and new chain perfect fit bar groove, but "new one" at the very top of the bar on sprocket curve has too big spaces (though old chain don't have ones - fits perfectly on the bar curve). What is wrong here ?
For me, I am having an issue picturing exactly what is going on. I am thinkin that you are saying the old chain seems to rest of the guide bar better than the new one just past the radius of the tip going on to the flat of the bar. If that is the case, maybe because the worn chain has more "slop" in it and maybe falls into place easier. The new chain while being slightly shoter bridges the gap? I hope this helps and thanks for being here watching! Have a good one.
@@oakiewoodsman Thank you, it's the case (I can see gaps when new chain passes radius bar sprocket - it seem like sprocket teeth do match chain link from the bottom). I will make closer inspection there (it seem to me I've done it, but I am not sure now).
I really like their bars and chains, my is 16" and 325 chain, both are as good or better than dealer ones, lose chain is one cause of the wear you had.
Appreciate the comment. I overall have been very happy with all the rest of them. As long as a cost savings continues, there is definitely a case for them! Thanks for your input!
Didn't know that. Guess the chain coming around the radius being redirected straight. Makes sense to me for sure. I really think the rails were too Hard. Thanks for the information Oakey!
If I owned an Echo CS-620P, CS-620PW, & CS-680P, I would use bars that are 3/8 pitch, .050 gauge, with D176 tail mounts. Examples would be the Oregon Lightweight VersaCut 0VXLHD176 bar (18 & 20 inch), Oregon PowerCut RNDD176 bar (16, 18, 20, 24, & 28 inch), & Echo OEM D0PS style bar (18, 20, 24, 27, 32, & 36 inch). Cheaper choices would be something like a Forester 1-Rivet Professional Chain Saw Bar 20" 3/8 .050 70DL - Echo or Forester Laminated Professional Chain Saw Bar 16" 3/8 .050 60DL - Echo. I'm sure there are others, but these are just examples from the two sites that I checked. I don't believe Holzfforma offers a bar for an Echo chainsaw that uses a D176 tail mount. If I owned an Echo chainsaw, I would explore other options. I only say this, because I have been looking at the CS-620P & CS-680P chainsaws myself. Echo offer a lot of saw for the money in my opinion.
If you are to only own an echo saw, that makes a lot of sense. I will not more than likely have only echo and I cannot and will not buy specific bars for every saw. Why have 2 or 3 different 24 inch bar and chain combos? I would have an entire wall of bars and chains. Simply not efficient for my scenario. Plus, zero performance issue that I am aware of. We have two different mindsets and possibly two different pocket book sizes. If and when I spend good money on a light bar, it will move around amongst others saws.
@@oakiewoodsman Owning only Echo saws means nothing. A CS-501P, CS-620PW, and CS-7310P are all Echo saws, and they all use different tail mounts. Different pocket book sizes? My newest saw is 18 years old, and the other two are older. I am not competing with you or any one else. I'm just pointing out that different chainsaws take different bars even within the same brand. Chains are a bit different. I could run the same 3/8 pitch, .050 gauge chain on both a CS-620PW bar and a CS-7310P bar. I don't need to buy a different chain if the pitch, gauge, & length of the bars are the same. I own three chainsaws, & they are all set up for .325 pitch, .050 gauge bars. My 18 year Jonsered & 27 year old Husky can use the same bars. My 22 year old Poulan which I don't use as much uses a different .325 pitch, .050 gauge bar (has a different tail mount). If I have 18" bars on all three chainsaws, I can run the same 72 DL chains on all of them. I've spent approximately $514 total on chainsaw purchases in my lifetime. My 82 year old dad gave me his Husky saw about 6 years ago, & I purchased the other two. You're willing to pay big bucks for new chainsaws, but may be unwilling to buy the proper bars for them? We may be different in that way. I'm not here to crap on your You Tube channel. I've considered buying a CS-620P some day, & I have been looking at various reviews of them. I'm sure that is why I've stumbled upon your channel. Since I am not a chainsaw expert, I do look up what bars fit which saws. My initial reaction is this sucks, because there are so many different types. I only brought this up because you were using a bar meant for a Husqvarna chainsaw on your Echo CS-620PW, & it somewhat failed in a relatively short period of time. You have a really nice Echo chainsaw. If you want to run Holzfforma Husky bars on it that's your choice. The chain part is irrelevant. Buying/using the proper bar for the saw you already have would be cheaper than buying the proper brand chainsaws that Holzfforma makes bars for. If I buy a bigger saw for longer bars some day, none of my current bars will match (because the new saw will use a 3/8 pitch bar & chain). I could convert the big saw to a .325 sprocket & matching bar, but most long bars are going to be 3/8 pitch for bigger saws. I would assume most buy a bigger saw to run a bigger chain & bar on it.
Gotcha. Yes simply differing mindsets. I am running 3/8 gain by the way on the 620p. Not sure if you already knew that or not. I wasn't implying anything other than we have differing Motivations for how and what we do. It appears as if you are interested in 1 saw purchase only. Since that is the case, it makes complete sense to buy the correct speck bar for it. One thing, the bar studs are larger on the 7310. Pretty sure bar for 620 won't fit. Also, I am also very aware the 501p/4910 bars are a different pattern. Thanks for the in depth comments.
and please understand the bar was worn ever before it was on the Echo. Like I said, it is my belief that the steel was too hard/brittle and possible exacerbated by a lack of oil coming from the 372xp in some scenarios. Since running a new bar on the echo, it is wearing as to be expected from a quality bar in my book.
To be honest, a Tsumura was CERTAINLY worth the extra few dollars. I got the 22" (only 3dl shorter than the factory 24, which is really only a 23. Was able to up-cycle some chains by popping 3 out) I have enjoyed it enough that I will definitely get a 28 or bigger as well in the future. Dropping a pound+ of nose weight off makes it feel like a whole different saw.
