French Machine how do you know if you’ve been riding shimano for over 20 years? 😆 20 years ago shimano was the best but it’s not 2000 anymore times have changed.
French Machine I use both. I run XT / slx on some of my bikes because it’s cheap and does the job but it’s not built to the same standard as srams stuff which simply works better, lasts longer and can take more of a beating but costs a lot more. You can buy a whole XT groupset for the price of x01 cassette. I’ve got three and half years out of an x01 cassettes and it’s still going strong I get a year out of an XT cassette before it needs replacing. Sram works out cheaper in the long run.
Nice review..Drivetrain looks really good.. I can not believe that they still didn't fix the wandering bite point problem.. I had a M8000 series and they had the same problem. Recieved new 2 times under waranty and the problem still came back after few months, then sold new when recieved new third time. And every rider that I know they have the same problem with xt,xtr..
I first thought I'm bleeding my M8000 (8010 in front) brakes incorrectly and this wandering bite point is a result of the air in the system. But as I found out many people have this problem it seems to be a design problem indeed.
This Johan dude speaks and explains like a professor in my physics class. I absolutely love it. Thanks for the review. I'd take the XT set over the Sram any day.
I wish shimano would make the freezer rotors in 6 bolt. I know it’s meant to be slightly better but a lot of hubs don’t have a Center lock option or if they do it costs more.
center lock is so convenient. 6 bolt should be discontinued. Would be nice if there were retrofit options with this amazing freezer technology though. those rotors are amazing
centerlock is not really better, just different. its about the same weight and arguable you can mount it faster (but does that matter?) while on 6 bolt you can.. use a screw driver to mount them (i.e. no cassette tool required). The fact that its screw on means it can be hard to remove (like the new cassettes), however, while there's a clear mechanical advantage when doing so on cassette there aren't any on rotors, because bolts are far stronger than the old freehub's splines. Now what you can simply do is get sram centerline 6bolt rotors with your xtr brakes, works perfectly fine (arguably better, noise-wise)
I’ve been running the new XT group set for 8 months as well and it is AMAZING but I have already had to warranty my derailleur due to the clutch binding up. I also work in a shop full time and warranty at least one XT derailleur per week for the same reason so just beware before you buy any of the new Shimano 12 speed group sets, they all have a clutch binding problem but Shimano is great at warranting them.
Cesar Chavez they replaced mine for it....dealer says not to use clutch for smaller rings for DH use only... it is a tight chain even without clutch, but better still with it on....
skalibro Sorry man but your comment literally makes no sense. You should be able to leave your clutch on at all times and it should perform good, they never had clutch problems with the 11 speed stuff. Like I said I’m a bike mechanic and see this stuff all the time. Also are you really going to stop on the trail to turn your derailleurs clutch on since your going DH, seems pretty stupid to me.
Cesar Chavez I agree it's stupid and questioned them...dont understand how they say that unless they know it comes packaged too tight..and seen problems...But they say I'm only one who came with this sticky derailleur problem... I just will make sure to keep greesed...I will test both positions and see what rides better with new replacement again this time...im sure I'll like it on as it feels better shifting. So clutch off is just for taking wheel off...imo... I wonder what is the truth from shimano. And how my bike dealer recommends this off...
skalibro Honestly your bike dealer is probably telling you to run your derailleur with the clutch off position because they are to lazy to warranty it for you. Trust me I’ve been in the industry for years and Shimano derailleurs should be ran with the clutch on at all times. These high end derailleurs were made to with stand rough terrain and to keep the chain from slapping every/falling off. I would highly recommend going to your dealer and demand that they warranty it if your derailleur in binding up with the clutch on.
same here. Shimano's Deore Groupsets can handle a lot more beating than SRAM's Groupsets. even their entry level Deore 12speed is way way heavy duty than SX or NX.
@@TheNotoriousMIC why are you being a fanboy dude. I had GX and it was super unreliable as well. Maybe you should try them both before you white knight for Sram.
@@ShoneDaddy I do use them both. I have and XT groupset on my hardtail. It’s laughable how much better my sram stuff. Mainly run shimano on my other bikes because it’s cheap but it’s not even cheap anymore.
The XT ice tech rotor is also only centerlock. That's great that it shifts under power and doesn't fall off the ring. My XT and XTR 11 speed also does all this!
I fixed the wandering bite point by changing the oil to putoline hpx 2,5. Wich has a much more stable viscosity rating over differint temperatures. My bite point were wandering extra much in the winter.
I have the XT M8100 and after about 6 months the rear hub developed a terrible Creaking sound. This turned out to be a lack of proper greasing, but even a short time after a good greasing it started again. I bit troublesome to say the least. his is something they need to redesign
I've been told "wandering bite point" is definitely a bleed issue with the caliper. Apparently there is a way one tiny tiny bubble gets trapped and that's the issue....
@@tristannguyen1717 Indeed the Crank is hold by the 2 pinchbolts and not by the plastic preload cap. So you can easily leave it off, without any danger. Same thing applies to your Topcap, because the Stem is doing the work, after you preloaded the Bearings.
@@tristannguyen1717 they didn't tighten the pinch bolts, that's why. Those crank caps won't fall off if you tighten them first before the pinch bolts..
I have 12 speed XT Drivetrain + hubs on my 2020 Norco Sight VLT C2 E-Bike. The rear hub gets a horrible creaking noise if you don't clean and re-pack the splines with a generous amount of grease. I have found after packing the microsplines/hub with grease, it'll go about 250-300 miles before it needs to be re-serviced. And I've got a friend and Shimano and extensively looked into this issue. This is just how it is.
@@icantgivecredit871 wow. This seems so old and also like yesterday. The issue was the Shimano hubs: it’s a plastic crown bearing race within the hubs that would disintegrate. My buddy works for Shimano and helped me figure out the issue. But now I have an I9 Hydra rear hub.
@@NevadaSmith2 Good to know - thanks for answering back so quickly! My wheels do not have Shimano hubs, so I am hoping I don't experience any creaking sounds. I heard of some people pointing to the cassette making the noise, but I'm willing to bet that the cassette was merely amplifying the noise from the hub. Of course, I don't know what hubs the riders in question were using.
i've had an xt groupset on my bike with the exact same, maybe slightly better experience though. i have not had any issues with wandering bite point on my xt quad piston brake but i have noticed that the freestroke (bite point adjuster) just doesn't do shit. it didn't even act like extra reach adjustment for me. i'm not sure why shimano hasn't fixed this issue yet. the place where sram brakes shine are in the fact that they REALLY have awesome adjustability. i do still prefer shimano tho.
I want to buy this combination of components for my bike: Cranks and chairing:deore m6100 Chain:slx m7100 Shifter:xt m8100 Cassette:slx m7100 Derailleur:xt m8100 What do you guys say? All of this in my country is 370$
That is a nice set. I decided to throw a bit more money at it and got a SLX crank for easier oval chainring upgrade and XT cassette for a weight difference.
@@piast99 i want to go with the deore cranks because of the looks and if i go with slx cranks and ring they are like 40$ more expensive and i preferre to spend that money on something else and i don't think i will try an oval ring so that doesn't really matter and the weight savings between the cranks aren't that big i think so i will go with the deore cranks and ring and about the cassette,the slx is 98$ and the xt is 136$,i could afford the price difference but i don't need to because the weight difference between the cassettes is only 64 grams(for me that is like nothing because i don't really care about weight,only when there are big differences maybe then) the only thing that might make me choose the xt is the shifting performance(i guess the xt shifts better),i don't know the differences between these two in terms of shifting performance so if you could tell me if there is a big jump from shifting quality i might get the xt
Any of you have thext 8100 freehub fail/freeze up? Hub lasts around 2 months before seizure. I have had mine fail and know a few others that have too. Shimano is quick with the warranty but its dangerous. The shifting is finiky as well and requires reshifts to get it to land in the right gear. Also the derailuer clutch requires frequent maintenance.
did you top off the lever/did a funnel bleed during the 7 months? Ive been running zees for more than 2 years and never had a wandering bite point, but i do a lever bleed every 2 months or so to compensate for pad wear.( i know that this "shouldn't" be necessary but in my case it may have helped) Nice review, cheers!
I have the m7100 brakes for 2 weeks now (which are more or less the same) and I’ve noticed the wandering bite point rigt away. I havent managed to get it on the trails but it is quite easy to „artificially” reproduce it, using the method described in this video.
The Park Rat , I do the same with my XT brakes. The first couple months had inconsistent bite point. But after bleeding every month afterwards. None. Same point every time now. No issues
I am literally about to order these levers for my MT7 calipers as well, did the levers come with the barb and olive, and overall how is the feel and performance ?
Andrew Cox do it. Makes the Maguras much more crisp and powerful. You’ll need Magura barbs, Shimano lock nuts and Shimano olives. Don’t come with the levers unfortunately.
Stuart Dummkoph awesome I’m sure I’ll be able to salvage my current barbs after I cut the small section of hose out, this is exactly what I’m looking for in a braking system, was it a pretty standard bleed after the swap ?
Hi have you noticed any problems with the pulleyarm on the rear derailleur? On my XT it sticks very frequently... and this is crazy. If I change gears from the upper end to the fast gears, it you’ll happen that my chain loose the tension and in the worst case it touches even the ground. The problem happend as well in the clutch or in the non clutch mode. But more often in the clutch mode. I tried cleaning more often and lube but it does not work... Have you some suggestions?
This is a known issue. Do a search for stuck clutch XT deraileur and you'll find a few videos on this common defect. A little grease inside the clutch mechanism required. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zGdkAE_y_aE.html
I fixed it luckily. But I did a massive overhaul on die clutch... cleaning up everything on the mech and grease with a green lube. A lot of work for a mech on a new bike. Or I just drive too much :-D
My Saint m820 does not have wandering bite point. My Hope Tech V4 does wander and feel useless on my downhill bike because the Hope Techv3 lever crushes my fingers and a while. I even sent it back to Hope for them to fix it, but they sent it back unchanged. Hope does not reply on e-mails either. Sad to see Shimano has this problem suddenly. Not easy not knowing who to copy. For the record, Shimano, don't copy Hope Tech 3 levers!
Did you tune the clutch tension on yours? Out of the box you can pretty much call it the shitty shift feel lever it feels fine when it's off and like shit when it's on. The wandering bite point is a real issue, and while I never recommend shimano breaks to anyone as their modulation is awful the bite point issue is a real no go. Also how many shift cables have you been through, I've see issues due to the break angle on the cable after it comes out the cable stop on the derailleur rubbing a wearing cables.
So I demo’d a bike with this groupset, and I really tried to like it, because I wanted to buy the bike. What I found was that although the XT drivetrain did live up to the claims, I couldn’t get past the sharp clunking feeling it gave when shifting, as opposed to my existing/ previous bikes with GX and X01. Is this something that can be fixed with tuning, or if I am a fan of SRAM, just stick with bikes running sram? (Bike was a 2020 Norco Sight C2)
@@paullehrbmx Well I guess that the Deore and SLX groups are just some lesser groups for poor people :D But seriously - Deore XT is a pretty high tier group set, the deore m6100 and slx m7100 offer almost the same functionality at a lower price, so the term "Workhorse" just doesn't fit in with the second highest shimano group set ;)
RacingRalphEVO it’s bc it durable like the others and well lasting and made with more expensive derailleur components and is much more of the type you can beat on
@@RacingRalphEVO XT is the best compromise between price, durability, and weight. It's cheap while having 100% of the functionality of XTR. Once you go lower, you start compromising on build quality.
Alex Alex Sounds like you are just repeating some stuff you read on the internet. Tell me, where is the build quality difference between a slx and xt crank. The xt crank is 11g lighter, that’s it. The cogs on the cassete are the same, except for the second biggest one - xt has an aluminium one. The only noticeable difference between slx and xt is the shift lever and brake levers (they come with free stroke adjustment). So when you pay more for the casette, cranks, chain, derailleur just to save a few grams on each, that’s not in line with „workhorse” logic.
8 months is not a long term review when it comes to Shimano XT. Do another review in 10 years for a first impression and another in 20 years for the long-term review. I have some 20 year old xtr components that still work and are surprisingly smooth.
I still ride a xt front and lx rear brake from '05 iirc, they survived 4x racing and trail riding. so not sure how the stuff today holds up, but I'm excited to find out when finally buying a new bike next year
Hey, how you were able to keep the transparent tape on the cranks in order through this test? 😀 Normally, I see it ripped pretty quickly on all the bikes after some use.
I've had deraileur clutch issues about 3 months in where the internal mechanism wasn't greased. Had to take it apart and grease it with the Shimano freehub grease. Better now but this has been documented as a problem with XTR as well.
@@thisisdanchoi I fixed the the issue by removing the part that puts pressure on v clip and flipping it. There's a flat part that supposed to sit flush on the v clip thing and before it would next sit flat. This way there's no ramp up when activating the clutch it's just on or off now.
Rey Lopez wow, good catch... I’m afraid to try and ruin it and exchange warranty again... love to see a pic of the part to flip...I couldn’t figure it out on my broken one.
@@hardtennis it's the small circular part that slides into the rectangle shaft. It has a ramped surface that ends into a flat spot. Mine never hit the flat spot when you turned the clutch on so I flipped that part. Now when you flip the clutch on and off it doesn't ramp to the flat part it just goes right to the flat spot. Not perfect but it actually activates the clutch.
Mine m8000 1x11 has 3 years just One or Two full check up on bike store in all 3 years and not One single problem... Between 6500-8000km dont know for sure
The Quadiems are super consistent and reliable with great lever feel and modulation. We found them slightly underpowered in certain situations though. The new TRP DHR Evo should address that.
@@Dpher I switched from Shimano slx to sram nx and it works buttery smooth and i do nod hear any chain rattling on the frame like i used to on slx. And i use Formula Cura brakes which are awesome.
Winston Smith You will need to replace that derailleur pretty soon the nx derailleurs never work after about 100 miles speaking from personal experience on my 2019 Norco Range.
