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How do you know which Shimano MTB groupset to choose? There is quite of bit of difference in cost between them and they seemingly share a lot of the same features. Neil is here to help, by taking both Deore and XT drivetrains for a ride!
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4 года назад

Drivetrain comparison: spends most of the video rolling down a hill

@matthewkuhl79 4 года назад

To prove the derailleur won't drop the chain

@jonasnazaruk4888 4 года назад

I agree...way too much hype in these videos, and too light in actual information.

@MehYam2112 4 года назад

I'm impressed, because in spite of the tap dance that's usually required in a sponsored video, Doddy cuts to the chase here: 5:15

@mark-jx6qi 4 года назад

Jonas Nazaruk over on GMBN tech is where ull get more info and in-depth info

@mainzman7239 4 года назад

I agree, way too much time with zero info, over 3 minutes in fact. I was just thinking they should have let Tech do it and BAM, up pops Doddy, imparting information during the riding scenes, much better. Come on GMBN, we know you can do better.

@matthewwilson2864 4 года назад

Deore with XT shifter I think is the best performance to price ratio

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

For sure, even better when the Deore 4 piston brakes come out in August, SLX 4 pots were already pretty good for the price.

@juklam 4 года назад

@@mrvwbug4423 The deore 4 pot brakes are the exact same with different letters as the mt501 520 combo

@roddas26 4 года назад

Bang on mate. The most noticeable difference for me has always been at the shifter. Xtr shifter with deore is awesome also.

@karunketone10 4 года назад

XT mech and shifter, everything else SLX or Deore depending on budget I think is a good mix.

@peterides9568 4 года назад

How is the clutch on the 12spd Deore? I found the 10spd one a bit light.

@hugosmies2111 4 года назад

Racing downhill there is no difference. You could do without derailleur

@TrIpMo1981 4 года назад

Same here. Riding DH only. I don't have to bother about these Mech's and huge cassettes.

@dnorm 4 года назад

A DH world cup race has been won with no chain... so... lol

@lossantoscity3249 4 года назад

An average mans equipment is a poor mans luxury.

@otay456 4 года назад

The transition at 0:25 is beautiful

@tookken3183 4 года назад

watch it in slow motion and with really good grafics and you will see how it's done but i have to agree that it's truely amasing keep it going gmbn!!!

@tookken3183 4 года назад

i love these sorts of things when they r used

@seoulglo1999 4 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f6r6UX5gWsw.html Replace the person walking with the tree and you have the same effect.

@otay456 4 года назад

@@seoulglo1999 yeah, I can think of a couple ways it could be done, just appreciating it 😉👍

@DG-tf9rp 4 года назад

Most of the Video was going down hill, It would have been nice to see it in action, like grinding out a shift or multi shifts on hard climbs or coming out of a corner.

@cacanovotny 4 года назад

And I'm just sitting here thinking, nah, Altus I have is fine.

@MachineSoftwares 4 года назад

I have Altus with a Deore derailleur and couldn't be happier😂

@joshdonley2842 4 года назад

Yeah a lot of what they've produced is just marketing, admittedly durability does play and important part but I think - more than anything, perfect adjustment and allignment makes the biggest difference

@edrobbins6514 4 года назад

I have Altus but I want to upgrade for a 1x drivetrain so I might get a deore groupset

@vr4042 4 года назад

Just recently got a Giant City bike with Altus, and have to say, it is far less capable and feels far "cheaper" in its action than the SLX I run on three other MTBs. Fince for a City cruiser, but not to handle off road action.

@ikuma8291 4 года назад

@@vr4042 Have altus on my Vitus Nucleus hardtail. It shifts great but kinda slow, and after few hours of riding when the chain is gunked up the shifting gets really crappy, double shifts, not shifting at all, having to shift 2 times for 1 gear change etc. and the shifters are just rubbish. both shifters don't show what gear im in anymore and front derailleur shifter got completely destroyed from a small crash. Tbf its an entry groupset on a 650€ bike and I suspect it would work fine for a beginner. The lack of a clutch really sucks also, didn't realize how easy the chain comes of on rougher terrain. In hindsight I should have got the version with the 1x9 groupset and a clutch.

@Powerhugful 4 года назад

A video about a groupset review with 50% of it showing going downhill. Legit.

@ShahnewazYT 4 года назад

There's waaay too much fluff and little info in this video.

@taylor8109 4 года назад

Yes but the video sounds so elegant and smooth.

@avenpace 3 года назад

@@taylor8109 That's what she said...and cried after xD

@bobbyhempel1513 4 года назад

I run deore because I don't need anything more. I out ride my friends that use XTR.

@fatezero8662 3 года назад

Yeah it still depends on who rides the bike, we only buy a more decent groupset to optimize the ride; but if you're weak you won't outride anyone even on a bmx lol

@Tony-df5rs 4 года назад

Conclusion; there's very little difference but Shimano paid us to say there is 😂

@falllinemaniac 4 года назад

Hardtail party recommended a lower tier meck with an upgraded shifter. You don't feel the meck but the shifter feel is front center.

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

XT shifter is a common upgrade on SLX, and likely will be with this new 12 speed Deore. Mostly for both the double upshift and just better feel/durability. Deore or SLX with XT shifter is a great combo.

@doncrescas 4 года назад

I'll add that holding the Deore and slx derailleurs side by side the only notable difference is the alloy inner jockey cage on the slx. The all steel cage on the Deore feels sturdier for a slight weight penalty.

@chiccorocker 4 года назад

This is the reason I like Shimano: you have a lot of options and they are cross compatible. It's hard to get a bike with all the components as you would like them, once they wear out you might one to change a few things without throwing away everything. 10-51 is a great range for a 1x12 system. Personally I usually take SLX as my starting point and I can move up or down depending on what I need in that particular setup I'm working on.

@trevorsmith7045 4 года назад

I've been an XT guy for 20 years...it's my go to drivetrain, but a XT/SLX combo is also awesome...

@Leviathandk 4 года назад

With the new stuff i think i'll go deore plus XT shifter.

@MTBMOR 4 года назад

The SLX tip I think is a good one. I have XT, but I will probably replace with SLX....My brakes are the SLX 4 pot and they are way better than the old xt 2 pot ones.

@rage8kage 4 года назад

The more light weight the less durable. Xtr isn't going to last much more than a year. I used to ride lx drive chain with xt shifters it's a good compromise.. too many plastic parts inside the cheaper shifters.

@javiercaselli 4 года назад

I just ordered a 2021 Grand Canyon 8, it comes with an interesting mixed bag of XT/SLX/Deore components: XT derailleur, SLX shifters and chain, and Deore cassette and crank. I sure would've loved the last two to be also SLX, but I'm pretty sure it's a decent groupset combo for the price of the bike. Besides, I can always upgrade at a later stage when it's time to replace them.

@colintraveller 4 года назад

How many times have to had to change the cassettes and cranks ...20 times ??????????? Once every year ??????????????????????

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

SLX with XT shifter was the sweet spot in the lineup, Deore with XT shifter might take that title now. Just need more microspline hubs out there, or better yet, conversion kits for existing hubs. Cost is also a big advantage over SRAM. Full XT costs around the same as GX Eagle, even though it is comparable to XO1. SLX costs slightly less than NX Eagle but is comparable to GX eagle. The new Deore costs slightly less than SX eagle, but blows NX eagle out of the water.

@killough71010 Год назад

Nah slx groupset with the xt shifter is THEE sweet spot, hands down. You're saving half a pound in weight alone just going slx, amongst better performance and durability with th SLX drivetrain.

@eisina6640 4 года назад

Love to see some KTMs in the mix! (KTM Scarp Prime with XTR myself)

@markstone5390 4 года назад

What we need to remember that there is a group set for everyone. A very true and valid points were raised at the end about mix and matching. Enjoyed it.👍

@ruanvorster2596 4 года назад

#askGMBN can we get a video on how the videos are made, a behind the scenes of filming, voice-over, editing etc

@tecdesigns8183 4 года назад

I've seen a lot of videos saying the deore brakes are just as good as xt just have a weight penalty. Tbh it's just snob show off factor. Pick what's best for you and forget snobbery and ENJOY YOUR RIDING

@Chronostra 4 года назад

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. I have a 2x9 alivio/acera mix on my hardtail and I'm having fun with it. my steel roadbike is 3x9 sora/alivio mix and don't know why but I ride it more often than my other roadbike with ultegra in it. Until now, I still don't understand why people feels like they can't have fun unless they have the latest tech.

@dietznutz1 4 года назад

Gemilang Bayu Ragil Saputra I get what you mean but I couldn’t stand having anything lower end than a deore or sx

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

I am in the process of upgrading my trail bike to SLX 4 pistons, no real reason to go XT other than weight, and I'm not gonna weight weenie on an aluminum full sus trail bike with aluminum wheels.

@mojo3398 4 года назад

@@Chronostra i have an alivio 3x9 on my hardtail and i hate it, it shifts like a sack of nuts really. it's only good for commuting to work 12km on the flat every day. i don't even think it's meant for moutainbiking. the good thing is, i don't have to maintain it since it doesn't make a difference anyway. don't even lube the chain more than once a year tbh and i replace stuff only when it literally breaks apart. deore is fine for me though.

@Chronostra 4 года назад

@@dietznutz1 ah yes, it depends then. Like for example clutch RD is nice, even on deore. My point is, top of the line parts doesn't equal fun.

@ddinchevchannel 4 года назад

The quality of the video is lower than expected for GMBN. Drivetrain comparison with mostly riding downhill scenes? Not much about shifting performance. Not much about when you would choose one over the other. Or it got lost between the non-sensical scenes. It feels like you could do better.

@cb6866 4 года назад

Happy Fathers Day to all of the GMBN Dads

@asianskywalker 4 года назад

Waiting for budget full suspension bikes with deore 12 speed. I'll never touch SRAM. Too unreliable.

@hjalteholdgaard3814 4 года назад

Take a look at Ibis ripmo af with the deore build

@feketekave1 4 года назад

Please, don't forget Micro Spline Freehub. Shimano Wheels are crap, dt swiss are heavy, newmen are expensive. when i buy a wheelset over 500 euro, then can i buy an xt-set too. xtr is f#cking expensive (300 Euro for a Cassette? What a f...), the other two's are useless. After this Point it's just load of crap. For 2 Years do you have to bought a Carbon Frame MTB for 1600 euros....and now XT-XTR over 2800 euros. why?

@Dark__Thoughts 4 года назад

I'd go for the Deore and may consider an upgrade if I wear a part out or if something breaks - probably the shifter being top priority since it comes with a little fewer features. The weight difference is not too much of a concern if you're not into competitive racing. Hopefully we see fully built bikes next year coming with the new Deore set, rather than the SX Eagle.

@silver_c1oud Год назад

atleast i trust Made in Japan

@jaysonbackes9279 2 года назад

This has to be the most disjointed and hardest follow video on mountain bike parts I've ever watched.

@KLOCEKMINECRAFT13 4 года назад

4:46 talks about microspline and shows center lock rotor mount...

@adamh5075 4 года назад

He's talking about the hub, not the brake rotor.

@pregardt 4 года назад

@@adamh5075 The narrator is talking about the micro spline free hub but the footage is showing the center lock rotor mount. Yes it is a hub but not the right detail.

@Dark__Thoughts 4 года назад

@@pregardt The hub is in the middle of the screen, the mount in the bottom right of it.

@davidmatthew5246 4 года назад

I have been traditionally a "blue collar" XT guy. In Jan 2020, I bought a FELT SUTPLUS-30 and almost immediately upgraded the 1x10 Deore drivetrain to the 1x12 XT (11-50), as well upgrading the Deore 2-piston brakes to the m8120 4-piston XT brakes. I know that I feel the difference in both the shifting of the drivetrain (especially to lower gears going into a climb), as well as the shifter itself, and a huge difference in brakes. I have a 2015 INTENSE 27.5 with full XT. I upgraded to 1x11 XT with the 11-50 gearing and upgraded the brakes with ice-tech rotors and metalic pads. Having said that. If I bought a 2020 bike or were looking to upgrade a Deore groupset bike. After watching this video, I would seriously look into SLX.

@lucascerchiara9036 4 года назад

the only thing I give a shit about is the chain rattle not the weight and other fancy stuff

@piast99 4 года назад

As you may choose other drivetrain components according to the budget I would alsways recommend getting the XT shifter for the feel and multi release.

@LuLeBe 3 года назад

Can I just swap out the shifter? Do I need to reroute cables etc or is it just "plug and play"? I'm (hopefully, if they deliver on time) getting a new bike in January that's all SLX and the multishift into the higher gears seems like a nice thing when the trail gets faster and you want to quickly shift to get some power in for a jump or so.

@trevorkirk413 3 года назад

I run XT with SLX cassette on my hardtail- Awesome!!!

@Bonky-wonky Год назад

Meanwhile most brands spec an expensive rear mech with a cheap shifter even though the other way round would result in better performance for less money. The way I see it it’s a case of allocation. Unless l’d have an unlimited budget I would invest in an XT shifter with the money saved by going for a Deore mech and Sunrace cassette plus KMC chain. Cranks would be SLX (hollowtech) which would save money that would invested in a set of DT wheels.

@audiophizile13 Год назад

I just got an xt shifter, deore mech, slx cassette all new for $187 USD including tax and shipping. VERY happy about that. Probably getting an slx 7120 crank for $95 USD. Can't really beat this setup for the money in the US for performance and/or weight. Funny that described very close to what I decided on. Essentially a better version of an all slx drivetrain for $300 USD. Crazy good

@michaelmoller6338 4 года назад

Every review I've seen on new Deore misses two real points, because they focus only on the 12 speed and imply that it's only for bikes that have 142+ rear axle. The biggest great thing comes in two places I think: The first being that they now offer a rear microspline hub that fits 135mmQR dropouts, ie, all beginner frames, and the 11 speed 11-51 cassette fits on a normal HG spline hub - which means it can go on pretty much any bike, without having to get a new hub or wheelset. So replace a hub on a super cheap entry level bike and you can get 10-51 12 speed at reasonable price. Upgrade just the cassette to the 11 speed 11-51 and that's a huge range increase from most entry level bikes that may have say, 11-36. So really, it's two things - reasonable price, and compatibility to upgrade for literally anyone. I also really like the i-spec EV shifter that includes the gear readout. I know most people don't care about it but I like to be able to see and confirm which gear I'm in, and the I-spec cleaning up the cockpit (presuming compatible brakes) is awesome.

@deleonjade 4 года назад

Im here watching and thinking of my Tourney TX is prolly fine with me.

@ridefrifjell545 4 года назад

Iam the type of guy running a mixed drive train. SLX cassette, Deore rear mech, XT chain and XTR shifter. Tried to balance performance, durability and cost. Wanted to go SLX rear mech but found no reason to do so. I’ve read its got externally adjustable clutch but that’s not true. Further a set of pulley wheels for XT is so cheap to get. Could be an future upgrade. I’m especially pleased with the shifter. Actuation force is so light compared to 11 spd. XT unit it replaced.

@vicwiseman6038 3 года назад

I want to point out, lighter generally makes LESS durable. The chain rings will eat into the free hub and become impossible to replace. They also wear faster. XTR is made for racing and they basically swap cassettes and chains every race. The setup lacks durability for those that like to hammer on their bike especially if you like climbing.

@brendonnoble5227 4 года назад

Best value for money and best durability Deore all the way. Best weight for money SLX. Racing? Lose some weight and train more.

@nicolasbozzo2364 4 года назад

You forgot to mention the instant release feature on xt/xtr shifter. For me that's the most noticeable difference while shifting

@edtorres6463 2 года назад

I am building my bike. Deore derailleur with XT shifter. Great video.

@Lee-ic2yn Год назад

Nice! I got xt derailleur and slx shifter

@nvanpraag 4 года назад

One advantage of being older... having the money to spring for XTR :)

@cookingconfessions 3 года назад

I agree 100%. Although I would say the same about XT. When you have the money for an XT fitted bike you just dont want to bother with lower tier group-sets. I just upgraded my "old" XT mechs with new XTR. The one place where I draw the line are with the cassette. XTR cassette are priced as if it was made of pure gold and its a wear-component that you want to swop out again and again times during the lifespan of your bike.

@nvanpraag 3 года назад

@@cookingconfessions Agree! XT is great stuff. Having just bought a 2021 Santa Cruz Tallboy I chose the SRAM X01 build over the lower priced XT-equipped bike. One thing that surprised me was the HUGE weight difference between the brakes...like the XT's were almost twice as heavy for their 4-piston brakes vs the X01's. That's crazy. But all good stuff! We're lucky :)

@JCozzyphotos Год назад

i run deore with deore xt lever

@----.__ Год назад

smart man

@stlc3415 4 года назад

I have XT parts on my ride...but started with six and slowly upgraded. All groups performed excellently. My best purchase was the XT shifter that introduced multiple shifts up and down...

@jessedirom8975 4 года назад

I have both deore brakes and XT brakes on two separate bikes. Honestly I like the deore’s better... counterintuitive I know but they are more consistent. Only thing I like better on the XT is the textured lever. For cassettes and derailleur I always go XT or XTR lower end stuff does not hold up as well in my experience.

@tissaenduroadventures7425 4 года назад

I have a xt 1x10, works nice, but because it is old it doesn't shift perfectky anymore in the rear, when I shift up or down by one it often doesn't shift, but when it gets a tcik by a bunnyhop or something semilair it does shift, anyone know what is the problem??

@tiredofeverythingnew 4 года назад

Surprised you didn’t waste more of our time and make the video over 10 mins. Lacking in info and mostly just b roll downhill footage.

@markopolo9559 4 года назад

How do they squeeze more gears on the cassette, are the chain and cassette chain rings thinner to fit on the same size hub?

@gmbn 4 года назад

That's right! There is also a new freehub body, Microspline

@saturupiah5940 4 года назад

IF you're building yourself and not buying a complete bike off the shelf it's really a choice between XTR and XT. The price difference is vast but the performance and weight are minimal. I don't bash my bikes around so I stick to XTR (apart from once and never again trying Sram). Sentimentally I get attached to my bikes so I hardly ever sell them. I'm a firm believer in the N+1 rule. Besides there's little point in selling as bikes usually plummet in value. Having a collection of bikes is great especially when mates from interstate or abroad visit.

@LuLeBe 3 года назад

Okay and why should one get XTR for something other than what you describe as sentimental value? I mean for you it probably doesn't matter much because it seems like you need to find ways to dump cash, but it seems like you're recommending XTR even though you said it's expensive yet little better.

@MTBMOR 4 года назад

Did he say the xt shifter is the place where you can shift both ways....thumb or finger to up shift???

@laderamtb3684 4 года назад

I was confused on that too...

@Zim1080 3 года назад

Also works on my old SLX shifters. XT lets you shift down an extra gear at one press I believe

@rorydean2662 4 года назад

I love dior

@exactpeak5995 4 года назад

I don't understand how people would rather have the unreliable sram eagle sx instead of a deore.

@aliancemd 4 года назад

3:44 “Less inertia”, lol... Eat just a little bit healthier and there goes that “advantage”

@aleksarajkovic3471 4 года назад

Yep I almost choked on my breakfast when I heard that ahhahahah, if you talk about inertia its better to spend 50 bucks more on lighter wheels , tires etc

@leftaroundabout 4 года назад

That's indeed laughable - the only real reason to worry about the mass is that it's unsprung and therefore prevents the suspension from tracking the ground quite as smoothly. However, the full quote was “stiffer and lighter”, so the “less inertia” may actually refer to it twisting less before starting to fully transmit power. And though that too doesn't much improve acceleration as such, it does improve _response_ of acceleration - which is actually quite important for technical climbs and trialsy maneuvers.

@doug7131 4 года назад

You have misunderstood what they are refering to. They are not talking about the inertia of the bike but the rotational inertia of the cassette - ie. how hard it is to stop and start the cassette rotating. A lighter cassette will require less energy to spin up and will stop rotating faster putting less force on the chain in the process.

@aleksarajkovic3471 4 года назад

@@doug7131 yes but its the closest thing to a centre of the wheel so that's why tire and rim weight are more important for example

@Jolinator 4 года назад

@@aleksarajkovic3471 Yes you are correct but shimano dont make the wheel or tire combo only the drivetrain so whilst they have more effect they are irrelevant to shimano and its engineering or marketing terms. They can only speak on the drivetrain not tires which they dont make. When you stop pedaling and coast your wheel is still spinning your cassette is not spinning the reference was to the inertia of the cassette stopping and starting. At this stage of drivetrains with even entry level now getting 1x12 any increments we see from here are going to be somewhat marginal at best the derailleur based drivetrain has reached full maturity many moons ago.

@culvercooper Год назад

I had some doubts about my Deore that I just bought worried about not being able to double shift. But now that I know it will do it on the downshift, I am stoked. I don't mind taking time to shift going up!!

@TCK12310 4 года назад

deore should've worked on a normal shimano freewheel body like Sram NX.

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

The 10 and 11 speed versions do, the 11 speed offers an 11-51 range on the cassette. Having Deore 12 speed on microspline also pushes more companies to build microspline hubs or conversion kits for existing hubs as the Deore groupset is going to be very common on your more entry level bikes which sell a lot more than 10 grand carbon race bikes.

@rp003.0 4 года назад

@@mrvwbug4423 ... except why the hell did they need to invent microspline?

@jvanneste 4 года назад

@@rp003.0 because a 10t cog doens't fit on a traditional body.

@MaplePanda04 4 года назад

P R Probably didn’t want to admit defeat to SRAM and use XD

@drunksupportcharacter 4 года назад

And im the guy who puts shimano tiagra on my XC Bikes.

@michaelcorrea939 4 года назад

I’ll mix and match with slx and xt

@no-trick-pony 4 года назад

Dear video editor: Please, for the love of whatever you believe in, make the b-roll background music not literally twice as loud as the commentary. I have to constantly crank down and up my audio.

@davidhamilton163 3 года назад

I'm a 2000 GT Zaskar XT/XTR (paid for already) type of person....lol

@SeeLyons 4 года назад

I run slx 1 x 12 on my bike but the front chainring is too small. Can I put an xt 36t chainring on my slx crank? Or do I have to upgrade the whole crank?

@geemail369 4 года назад

What about their *brakes?!* Most of the riding here would've been a good opportunity for showcasing brakes!

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

Deore brakes aren't out yet, they release in August.

@ShahnewazYT 4 года назад

Brakes are part of the groupset, not the drivetrain.

@McKevittS 4 года назад

Very intrigued about the Deore line of brakes, but right now SLX looks like the clear winner of price/performance. Very little weight difference and features between the 2 (SLX/XT) and BOTH are ~20% more braking power then the old model M8000 XT brakes

@geemail369 4 года назад

@mrv...: The 6100's?! Just ordered a set *yesterday!* Today's status: "shipped"! @Shahne...: Correct! But the riding they were showing was suited to review brakes _more_ than it was for testing drivetrains - barely any uphill sections! What's the takeaway here: _"yea, more/less chain slap makes it (not so) quiet due to (lack of) clutch performance"_ What's next? Brake reviews going uphill?! _("brakepads ain't rattling in the calipers and they're SO light, i barely noticed'em")_ 😆 @Spencer: Depends what you go for - lever feel changes drastically as you go up the tiers. Keep hearing the new XT is quite "digital" and needs a skilled finger to be modulated appropriately.

@ridefrifjell545 4 года назад

Would also like to see brake comparison in addition to that video. From images to me the 6100 callipers seem to be the MT501 4 pots. SLX looks like XT and XTR, just with different finish each. The Loam Wolf made a video where a Shimano sales person states performance wise the three are the same. At that time Deore wasn’t released.

@camerond8176 2 года назад

Deore mech, cassette and cranks with an XT shifter..........................get all the bells and whistles, with a slight weight penalty but more durability of steel. It's much cheaper for me to loose 2lbs, than it is to spend hundreds getting the equipment to do it. Add the SLX crankset if you can afford it, and save a whole pound, and add strength.

@Lee-ic2yn Год назад

I've got XT mech, deore cassette and slx shifter 😆 Pick n mix

@camerond8176 Год назад

@@Lee-ic2yn The only reason I went with the XT shifter was to get the 2up/2down option on fast decents.

@----.__ Год назад

@@camerond8176 the xt shifter is 2up/4down. brilliant piece of kit. i run the same as you re xt/deore but I picked up an xtr chain quite cheap and it seems to add to the shifting smoothness.

@camerond8176 Год назад

@@----.__ I did later upgrade to an SLX crankset because I got a great deal on it.............saved a whole pound (450g) just there and these cranks are stiffer too. Best of all the worlds now.

@brothereldrian9913 4 года назад

Heya guys! I stopped mountainbiking in the mid 90s, when we had XTR, XT, LX, STX-RC, STX...and as Doddy mentioned in the retro week last year, we all craved XT and had mostly LX on our bikes. So is SLX now the equivalent of the good old LX and Deore the heir of STX? When did they change the names? So confusing...

@Chronostra 4 года назад

I think that is true. But they are not just change the name, some of the groupset is dropped entirely, for example LX. CMIIW tho. The hierarchy today is XTR, XT, SLX, Deore, Alivio, Acera, Altus. But, some people said that the last three (Alivio, Acera Altus) is not a true MTB groupset. I ride 2x9 Alivio Acera mix and it felt fine and dirt cheap. Each for everyone, I guess?

@milandevos1230 3 года назад

Its funny how he reviews a groupset but rides downhill

@TryboBike 4 года назад

"How do you know which Shimano groupset to choose?" Cheapest one that gets the job done. Bikes are meant to be ridden, not worshipped.

@matthewkuhl79 4 года назад

Who's worshipping? Higher price comes with higher quality and some of that is a requirement for some riders.

@brendonnoble5227 4 года назад

@@matthewkuhl79 What do you mean by quality? Lighter materials usually wear out faster and are more fragile. That steel Deore cassette will certainly last longer than the aluminium XT one. Cost of consumable parts is important for most of us.

@matthewkuhl79 4 года назад

@@brendonnoble5227 Who said anything about weight? i use Saint with XT brakes and Ultegra cassettes and i'm not in any way trying to make my bikes light

@MrGrayFox0 4 года назад

For me the DEORE groupset sounds really great! But my preference is the XTR- groupset.- Lightweigt, proper and reliable. If I would have to choose a cheaper option it would be the SLX- or the DEORE- groupset. Because in my opinion there is not a really big gap between SLX/XT and XT/XTR. Depending on how much money you would be ready to spend I would choose either the high- end XTR or SLX or if a would set my mark onto duability the DEORE would be my choice.

@Aeleas 4 года назад

I'm rocking the SLX now, but I'm thinking about looking into swapping the shifter for an XT or XTR for better placement options relative to my brake lever. The SLX is a bit bulky and I can't quite get it where I want it.

@alexisg311 5 месяцев назад

Voy a actualizar mi bici 3x8 a 1x10 con Shimano M4100. Espero ansioso a que llegue el conjunto para instalarlo. I'm upgrading my 3x8 bike to 1x10 with Shimano M4100. I'm looking forward to the set arriving so I can install it.

@lukegrady5357 4 года назад

Dislike because of the music Blasting in my ears

@Gerald-iz7mv 3 года назад

What is the diff between SHIMANO Deore RD-M592 Rear Derailleur and Shimano XT M772 Rear Derailleur besides price and weight?

@mathewkirk1748 5 месяцев назад

I run di2 Ultegra on my road bikes and am a bit of a groupset snob really. Then I bought an MTB to do some XC races for some cross training and a bit of fun. I was only looking for a mid-level bike so settled for Deore with some apprehension - but holy shit, this bad boy is bomb-proof. It doesn’t matter what you throw at it, it just goes and goes and goes with only the minimum of maintenance and I often outlast my opponents on better bikes that suffer mechanical issues. Sometimes simple-done-well is the answer.

@Mluisgr81 4 года назад

I treated myself and went with full xt on my new Ripley. Before this I had a trek 26” hardtail with full deore from 2013. Deore, even from that time has worked exceptionally well. I’ll bet the new deore is even better. Personally, like depth of pockets, I think it also depends on how addicted you are to mtb. I originally wanted xtr, but couldn’t justify the huge price increase over xt...for me at least.

@QPkrlssn 4 года назад

I just ordered the XT groupset a few hours ago for my new build 👌

@russelltaylor1500 4 года назад

Where did you find it in stock?

@QPkrlssn 4 года назад

Russell Taylor at bike-components.de

@QPkrlssn 4 года назад

Noah E Nordest Bardino 2. Slack hardtail.

@williamgalloway4798 4 года назад

I ordered my 5 piece xt groupset last month on a 55% discount😎. I've been riding it 3 weeks, and I can conclusively say it's the best drive-train I've ever used. A lovely piece of kit.

@QPkrlssn 4 года назад

William Galloway nice to hear I can’t wait for everything to show up so I can start building 😎

@bheckner 3 года назад

If Shimano made XTR DH specific drive maybe, gears and mech. Don't need climbing gears for DH. Smooth is fast, Fast is smooth.

@ezoez7548 10 месяцев назад

Xt is what i got on my mtb. So happy i got it. Broke the bank even with discounts that my local bike shop gave me. 380$!!! But it all works so well i dont have to worry i just ride and shift. Ive been able to go faster ride harder i just love it

@sc0or 3 года назад

That ... rotating handlebars while jumping, I think this is from another discipline )) When XCs use it it looks very funny

@dcrou7320 4 года назад

Does the weight of components really matter when you’re talking a few grams here or there? To me it’s not really an issue, like I’m not going to notice if a shifter is slightly heavy than another. The weight of the average rider fluctuates more in a day than the difference between a light drivetrain and a slightly heavier one so to me it doesn’t make sense to get too caught up in weight saving

@edtorres6463 10 месяцев назад

I have a GT bike that came with an 11-speed Deore drivetrain. I upgraded to an XT shifter for a measly $50.

@wammo12345 4 года назад

SLX = 3 letters => 33.3% heavier than XT = 2 letters. Vanilla Deore with 0 letters, rename to 4 letters Deore GOOD or RIDE, then XTR should be just R with 1 letter. Or I could just ride my bike.

@gigel2280 2 года назад

what a superficial presentation... what about the crancksets? What's the difference in weight between them? As for me, Garbaruk cassette and the rest XT.

@EzequielBaltazar 4 года назад

Here in Brazil the choice is between tourney and Altus.... It cost's us the equivalent to xt and deore for you... Deore here is just for the very deep pockets.

@redp5203 Год назад

My gf dad got a 3x10 XTR and its still incredible, holds up better than my brand new Sram SX

@spirosgal1885 2 года назад

And yet i hear terrible sounds from guys with 4.000euro bikes. Shifting under load is a problem no amount of money can fix.

@RacingRalphEVO 4 года назад

So to sum up the video: basically the difference between deore/slx/xt is weight + the xt shifter has 2-way up-shifts (shifts to smallet sprockets). So if you don’t care about few hundret grams, just get deore + xt shifter. What about the rear-mech upper chainwheel? On the older sets, xt (or xtr?) used to have bearings wich made it more precise on shifts.

@colintraveller 4 года назад

Which components are picked soley on what you can afford .... not by putting oneself into debt soley to boast on forums / Fb Group pages .. How on earth does that video actually intend to make anyone validate such a purchase when the product hasn't even been tested over a year .. So you conclusion after a couple of hours ??? Why should weight come into it ..when you should be highlighting the material used ....because you are more likely to endure poor quality of parts made in China . How many hours will those parts last before needing to be changed ???????????????? Will they last 2 years plus ... I've already had to replace the cassette and crank twice already on my bike and the chain 3 times .. still have to get another new fucking cassette and crank again ...come pay day .. TBH The Industry needs a radical overhaul to stamp out the poor quality and rip off prices that is being forced upon us .. sadly too many are unwilling to do or say anything and the Cycling Media are too busy kissing arse than given a damn .

@shpendishahini7768 4 года назад

Neil bro you need to be happy driving a KTM brand bro this is best brand which l know about bikes Premium brand if you don’t like it then give it to me l got a KTM 5 years with Deore system it’s a great groupset, if you don’t like it you can can give me for free ;)

@Lowezz. 2 года назад

Hmm, Deore's clutch is horrible after 10 months and the shifting is the opposite of smooth...

@beeawesome7140 2 года назад

The music kinda sucks during the ride portions, I'd rather hear the bike/reviewer than the low tier hold music.

@thesupernad 4 года назад

You didnt touch on the reason why these cost less. Like lack of derailleur pulley bearings for example. There's a reason you pay more for higher end components and its not just weight.

@Chris-hy6jy 3 года назад

So basically aside from the slight weight difference and the marketing BS, they're 99% the same. Deore it is then 👍

@Jmastarasta 4 года назад

Just got the 2020 trek fuel ex 5 came with the deore 1x10 drive train for the money of the complete bike I must say it has disappointed me at all. Been able to tackle some steep climbs. I think I’m in no rush to upgrade but will wear it out 1st then upgrade

@thegoodsamaritan4333 4 года назад

hello sir. out of the topic but what is the psi when you do the cornering like that? and do you use clipless pedal?

@xx-----------xx873 4 года назад

I'm not Neil, but he alternates between clipless and flat pedals, and pressures should be in the low 20's (PSI) and he probably has some sort on insert on those loaner bikes.

@socerboy06 2 года назад

I buy Deore component and assemble them together,the whole bike cost me $320

@williamcarey4172 4 года назад

I have a deore and in my opinon from my experience with it is it sucks....if it get even a piece of dust in it it wont hold its gear it gost shifts constantly...im not impressed with constanty having to reajusting it constantly just to have it go out the minute it gets a speck of dust in it...will be changin it the second i get a chance

@quez.designs 4 года назад

My 1x9 speed bike can do all this kind of riding. Bombing down a hill is always fun.

@michalwiktorow2188 2 года назад

From where? R U sure, AFAIK only XTR and DuraAce are made in Japan.

@SVSeahorse 4 года назад

Almost all the clips are downhill... 🤨 With that there are not that many differences 😉

@agame1706 4 года назад

I would love if you guys made a video about good budget friendly bikes. Don’t know if you’ve done this before, but....

@gmbn 4 года назад

Doddy's just done a 'How to buy a bike' video on Tech you can watch here: gmbn.tech/HowToBuyABike but we don't actually do reviews so the subject of 'which bike is best for the money' isn't going to happen