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Fulgrim's voice makes me violently ill. Everything, from his smarminess to his condescending, mocking, sing-song tone at points, encapsulated perfectly in just a few words.
I don't think Fulgrim is being facetious when he asks Lorgar "which war, again? i lose track. time is not what it was." I think that, being in the warp, the battles of the Heresy and the battles of the 41st millennium (as well as everything before, between, and after) blend together and he legitimately doesn't know which "unfinished" war Lorgar is referring to.
"Hubris is a delicious sin, but one that will undo you if you take it to excess. Take it from me." I think there is no line more appropriate for a daemon prince of Slaanesh ever written, let alone Fulgrim himself.
@joshuaseuser625 yeah, it's amazing how Horus achieved to send away or push back the only two sane and competent brothers away, the only other one coming close being Morty.
@@giacomoromano8842 The Death Guard and Iron Warriors are the only traitor legions still with command structure. Even as plague marines the Death Guard maintain original ranks even now which is crazy. If Horus didn’t have them the siege couldn’t even happen same with the Iron Warriors.
@StoneStraiff he was right than horus was going to falter and fail, and he was right about faith as it is and has been the only thing keeping the imperium running.
I love that Fulgrim here understood Chaos so much more deeply than Lorgar ever could in spite of not giving a crap. If Slaanesh had any real interest in the HH, Fulgrim would sense it and be compelled to a degree to participate. But he knows the truth; the Four only care about the Materium as it pertains to the Great Game.
So the real reason for Chaos God's to expand into the material realm is just enlarging their Great Game arena including there entire species like humanity, Orks, Tau even Eldars?
@@Warmaster2001 Basically. They can't exist in the material world. They care about mortals only inasmuch as they can use them for fuel in the Great Game.
They only needed to prevent the emperor from using the web way to starve them out. That plan failed the moment Magnus breached the wards attempting to warn him about Horus. So in a way, they already won before the war even really began. Killing the emperor would have meant the doom of Mankind within a few hundred years and then they would lose much of their power. So Slaanesh probably didn't feel any great urgency to act.
Not necessarily, Lorgar still understands the warp as a whole vastly more than Fulgrim, Fulgrim just understood this part of it more than Lorgar at the time
I saw it as Lorgar having patience with Fulgrim's ecstatic insanity. He knew exactly what Fulgrim would say, and responded appropriately given the situation. This was a small manipulation, not a grand sibling rivalry. Fulgrim's confidence is working on you and most of the others, but that is simply Slaanesh's influence. He sees a vision including the Gods but not of the Gods and wishes, just like all Word Bearers, for a path towards total human enlightenment. The demons might have hold of the greater realms, they are true, but humanity can dominate even those with time and intuition (if faith is a dirty word for you HAHA). But this is not possible if we deny this dark reality.
Chaos has no motive. The 'gods' are accumulations of emotion made manifest in the warp. They are a reflection of mortal thought and feeling, no more capable of creating plans or having a will of their own than the stormcloud is capable of choosing when and where to unleash its torrent. They're just forces of nature.
Thing is Fulgrim, having a direct link to Slaanesh, was probably aware of Slaanesh's will. And he do hint that the idea of betraying and dropping Horus is tempting, aka, Slaanesh is not against it, but won't do it, and explain by questionning him on his leadership ability. Like, "the others won't follow you". Fulgrim, like Slaanesh, would not mind betraying Horus, probably same for the others Chaos Gods, but then "who lead?" was a debate they didn't want to have as it would have resulted in infighting and chaos civil war. But IMO, Lorgar's plan was probably the most rational. Not good, but rational. He is the only primarch who fell to chaos but kept his sanity despite that.
@@MaitreKorda He was pretty insane before. But he was also familiar with chaos from an early age. So he probably had the best grasp of his senses compared to others who dabled in it.
I can't wait for you and your career to inevitable explode in popularity and recognition. Your range is nuts, and your Lorgar impression has quickly become my headcanon over any other voice I've heard.
Same to me ... when i read a Lorgar line, i always imagine his voice sounds like this .... i must admit, that i become a little bit angry and annoyed, when i hear another voice trying to depicting the Primarch of the Word Bearers.
Oooohhhhh your Fulgrim is EXQUISITELY contemptuous. It's such a wonderful little exchange, the zealot vs. the true devotee. Lorgar is so convinced that he's trying to do the right thing, chasitsing Fulgrim's apathetic hedonism, despite this being EXACTLY what he's promoted and Fulgrim is *rubbing* the irony in Aurelian's face. I know that as an Iron Warriors fan I'm contractually obligated to have my gripes with John French, but when he cooks it's a damn gourmet experience, and I'm glad to see this dialogue given a go-over.
Lorgar "i've tried to convince Fulgrim to come back to the war but he refused" Horus "what did you tell him to convince him?" Lorgar "i appealed to his sense of duty and the justice of our cause." Horus "......" Lorgar "yeah using those with Fulgrim does sound stupid now that i say out loud"
may i petition you to voice the scene during the Istvaan 5 dropsite massacre where the Iron Warrior captain tells a word bearer to “Have Faith”. It was some thing like “have faith word bearer we all suffer to day” because of all the friendly fire
No, he was wrong. They were both wrong. They underestimated Horus. He was as broken and soulsick as the Nighthaunter at this point but he still had a will of his own. The dark gods warped his mind and influenced his decisions but he was not a remote controlled robot as many thought. In the end, he easily freed himself of the dark gods influence, by giving up his powers as he always planned to do, alas to early. The emperror tricked him and killed him. He had him on the mat before that.
@@danielpaulmann4799 HERESY!!!! YOU SPEAK NOTHING BUT LIES AND DECEIT!!!!! CHAOS SAW THAT IT COULD NOT WIN AGAINST OUR LORD THUS ABANDED HORUS, LEAVING OUR GLORIUS EMPEROR TO GRANT HIM A MERCY HE DID NOT DESERVE!!!!
They all were just tools of the Gods, though everyone created some bs to justify their treachery like "fighting for truth" or "fighting against tyranny".
Lorgar is incompetent for that. He don't have a charisma of a leader like Horus, Sangie, Abbadon or Loken. He even have a severe case of a skill issue to convince his depraved brother to return.
Dear Throne, when I look back at your previous works with Lorgar I can really see just how much he fell; he was once so compassionate and hated war, now he's nothing but another monster
It is really a cruel transformation in the story: Literally the only Primarch, who hated war and often trying to avoid slaughter and misery become such a wicked culprit, that even demons change roadsides when they saw him. :D
@@andraskovacs5431 I’m certain of Dorn, Roboute, Curze and Perturabo, plus Sanguinius and Magnus also dreamed of peaceful era. To be fair, Lorgar and Magnus despite war the most. They were scholars, not warriors
@@MagnusArchitectOfFate You're right I forgott about them. But yeah many tought war to be wasteful for example like Perturabo Dorn and Guiliman. Sanguinius and Fulgrim were more artists than wariors. Corvus, Vulkan, (pre nail) Angron and Curze were against the bloodshed of war. And Lorgar and Magnus were scholars as you said.
Lorgar's compassion has always been nothing more than self-pity and narcissism. He clings to religious fanaticism so he wouldn't have to accept hard truths that displeased him. He did it with Kor Phaeron, with the Emperor, with Horus and with the Chaos Gods in general. People want to say Magnus or Fulgrim are the most arrogant of the Primarchs and Perturabo or Curze the most petty, but it's Lorgar who wins the spot. Magnus' mistakes were done out of incomplete knowledge and perceived betrayal. Fulgrim, while vain, was always a man of culture and benevolence towards lesser humans, even honoring his long-dead adoptive parents Lorgar, much like the Fremen of Dune, thought he knew the truth even better than everyone, even the supposed god-father he worshipped. And he doomed the whole galaxy to prove that, making him far more petty than Perturabo and Curze.
@@jhetttiernan2623no it’s still the demon, people who don’t understand the lore just believe the demon saying he’s actually fulgrim even though fulgrims real soul is in his perfect clone body.
@JustSomeWeirdo it sounds like you're the one who doesn't understand the lore. At this point Fulgrim had already excised the body of the daemon and his clone didn't even exist
Look. I hold Lorgar in the utmost contempt. But damn, that voice is perfect. Massive Legacy of Kain vibes and I mean that as the highest accolade I can give.
no, we actually know that the thing that calls itself fulgrim, while composed of his personality and memories when he fell into corruption, is not actually fulgrim, most daemon princes are born when the soul of a person is totally removed (usually consumed/joined to the chaos god) and replaced with the essence of said god, whether they become a prince or the fate of a chaos spawn then comes down to the power of the minds will to exert itself (personality, memories etc) into the new daemonic form. However, this does 2 things, the former person is now an expression of the god and is also susceptible to the nature of the warp completely (i.e totally mutable, a billion people thinking daemon fulgrim is x actually makes daemon fulgrim x etc). The actual soul of fulgrim still existing and bound to she whos thirsty.....until fabius bile did a funny and by accident, resurrected the real fulgrim (cloned him and the clone body had a superior claim to his soul then she who's thirsty, its confirmed in that story that this clone was the **real** fulgrim soul etc, uncorrupted too). I say most, because some daemon princes do actually have the original soul as a component of their form, or parts of it (Daemon magnus has 90% of the original magunus soul in their essence combined with tzeentch juice).
Perfect coverage of Chaos and its claimed Primarchs. Decadent and disinterested Fulgrim. Preachey and delusional Lorgar. Their view of their origins, their fall, their brother Horus...
@@infidelheretic923 I doubt it. He have brains to figure out that they will fail. And he eventually come to that opinion when he sees that with this non-existent army control traitors are just bashing their skulls without making cracks. So Pert just decided to say furk you all and leaves the battlefield sealing the fate of the siege.
It's funny to think about, but in a subtle way, Fulgrim was giving Lorgar all he needed to realize his "faith" was just his hubris looking for an excuse. If the Chaos deities ceased to favor Horus, they would abandon him, and Horus would be no more. There would be no need for treachery. Yet Lorgar is still doubling down to justify something he simply cannot hope to pull off. Said it before and will say it again: I wonder if anyone ever bothered to ask the primarch "did you go into the eye looking for gods because you wanted the truth, or because you needed your father to be wrong."
@@RufusJuice omg perfect description. THANK YOU, needed that for a project. ALSO LOVE YOUR READINGS! Also ignore the other comments I left in your other videos in regards to lorgar xp
The only one to succeed in killing 2 primarchs and put Perturabo on a slow path towards death. Only for one of them to get better and the other to become a daemon prince.
After he killed Ferrus a daemon took over him. This went on for months. Eventually through some arcane means his sons found out and broke him out of the demon's grip. Strangely, rather than growing disgusted and wary of demonic influence. This just seemed to make him grow fonder of it. He persuaded the Iron warriors to accompany him to an Eldar world inside the eye of terror and used it to ascend as the daemon prince of Slaanesh. The Iron warriors are probably still sour about what happened there.
Lorgar has journeyed into the warp to recover Fulgrim to bring the emperor's children back to the galactic civil war. Fulgrim recently ascended to demonhood. But Lorgar also planned on usurping Horus. Fulgrim declined, but after this Lorgar played a Trump card. One of his sons memorized Fulgrim's true name. Using it gives him the means to compel Fulgrim to do as he is commanded.
