Fabius Bile and Belisarius Cawl meet from "Genefather" - A 40k Dramatic Reading 

"You are a cliché, in a horrifying coat."

​@@PumpkinHoard It's a good thing he's literally built different because I don't think any normal man would survive getting burned like that.

I think "the man in a manskin coat" burns more

It's all the rage in fashion circles

"The SS tattoo means nothing sinister!"

​@leahsander5490 just following orders 💀

Iron warriors, night lords and red corsairs be like

Cawl is actually really interesting as character but god damn I wish geedub introduce him better

one is so arrogant he would not change a thing to his cancer ridden clones, fearing it would lessen his mind. One is so egotistic he believes he can stay truly himself while incorporating the minds of many geniuses into his own

The only reason Cawl isn't hitting him with a multi melta is because The spider is sitting on what may as well be his son with a bone saw to the sons' neck. This is all after a deadly 1v1 with a loose Necron and Cawl is badly damaged to the point that he is mostly crippled.

they're zoom chatting

@@nam1115 No, shit I was wrong you are right. This is when he sends in a holographic projection onto the Ark Mechanicus ship in Cawl's gallery of things he has collected. If I am remembering it correctly now, Fabius is keeping Cawl busy while he sends a virus into the ship to cut Cawl off. They meet in person later. I am sorry I gave massive misinfo.

He has neither the time nor the care, to let this lunatic try and justify himself.

In any other settings anyone within the Imperium would be the biggest evil without comparision but for the fact they fight literal hell on the daily

That about sums it up. The Gods don't take worship with words

@@maltheri9833praying to the chaos gods only gets you so far. It’s not until the whole hive city starts carving sigils onto their skin and construct icons and symbols to chaos. That’s when the fun starts.

Denyed slaneesh with just a few and stims and benzos

The emperor is all about serving the emperor. There is no more grandiose machine to suppress human will than his Imperium.

@user-oc2xd8rr5h fair. Still isn't what bile said basically what the emperor said thru Gman right before he burned nurguls garden?

The whole issue is he had his part in corruption of both Fulgrim and 3rd Legion

@@macshadow1150 How ironic.

Well he has a point like How is a guy going to pretend "I care about humanity uwu" while wearing human skin as a coat thats more than just poor fashion thats a visual cue that hes a hypocrite and a liar itd be like a vet wearing an animal pelt at work a fur coat maybe but a whole-ass pelt, skin and all? right there in the practice? Youd side-eye that at the very least

​@@CaptainPrincessMore than a side eye that nullifies your entire claim 😂

@@CaptainPrincess He keeps it on as a reminder of how far he fell during the length of the Heresy where he basically was a real ass Slaanesh cultist. Which he isn't now.

@@kolsveinnskraevolding Yknow I dont think I buy that I mean I believe that he THINKS that I dont think its doing for him what he thinks its doing for him

@@kolsveinnskraevolding he still is a Slaneshi cultist. Actions speak louder than words by continuing the path he’s on he still serves that parasite

Yep, that's me :)

Nah, humanity had already degenerated when it bowed to the Emperor. A fascist dictator exterminating everyone who disagrees, what exactly makes him different from a Chaos God?

@@leahsander5490 Maybe the fact that Big E just exterminated his enemies and did find joy in it? Maybe the fact that the Imperium never built cathedrals out of the skulls of their enemies, bound books in human skin, or made clothes out of human skin? If and when the Imperium includes human bones in their iconography, architecture or even armor it's done with respect. The intent is to say "Look at this pious and devoted human! We honor him thusly!". Chaos is all about perversion, excess, violence for the sake of violence, and constant backstabbing and betrayals. Chaos is literally named by the demons themselves as "The primordial annihilator".

​@@leahsander5490 well it is better to listen a very angry and emotionless but most experienced man than a tentacle gods

@@inmamata Finally someone understands me.

@@leahsander5490 He brought order and unification that way to avoid being steamrolled by threats like Necrons. You can`r really alow things to be diverse and expect it to hold togather on THAT scale. However, he could do some things differently, and I think, being suspended in the warp for several thousands of years changed his perspective on some things, like, for example, aliens can also be cooperated whith if you don`t just try to exterminate them.

Worst of all, he worked with the Corpse Emperor

Second!

is he though? looking at what he's done to get "samples" genius yes, but woefully misguided on the means. Cawl is correct in that he is on the right side of history. The Emperor is awakening Nurgle's garden permanently mauled. the only question becomes who will be left standing in the end.

@@Jadefox32 the Emperor only wants to preserve humanity. Bile wants it to evolve into a new form capable of surviving and thriving in the future of the Galaxy, without having to rely on Space Marines or other gene-bred abominations. Cawl's only solution is to make "bigger space marines".

@@justwannabehappy6735 just because someone’s right doesn’t mean they are in the right.

Will and a few drugs allowed him to deny slaneesh

Where Cawl and Bile differ? Cawl intends for Man to be the Best he possibly can. Bile intends for Man to be replaced by something Better. Likely why the Primaris resulted in a tanked up Eldar and the New Man a hyper steroid Ork.

Biles plannis fairly simple. Wait out tthe larger conflict till both sides are dead, then repopulate the galaxy with a race of his own creation. So far his creations have been formidable, albeit monstrous and inhuman, many have fallen to Chaos. That is his blindspot, by denying his own corruption he doesn't see that the flaw of his creations lay with their maker. He will never achieve his goal.

that would be awesome to me ahriman is a really interesting character

cawl is in MANY ways unlike the average techpriest

I think he called himself "the last scientist," so yeah, he's a bit different.

Bile is no traitor. Matter of fact gim and Guilliman are the only ones still holding on to the Imperial Truth.

@@ditmarvanbelle1061 I may have to look more into Fabius Bile his mindset seems interesting

@@ditmarvanbelle1061 Bile is a traitor he serves Slaanesh and aids Chris against the imperium

Yeah, the main difference is that one of those is humanity for better or for worse (almost entirely for worse) the imperium IS humanity destroy it and you save no people Its awful, sucks in every way, and probably deserves destruction but to destroy it is to destroy humanity and if you want to save humanity you kind of have no choice but to try and save the imperium from itself aswell as its enemies chaos however, is not humanity destroying it would harm noone and is just objectively a good deed to do so they both say the same thing but one of them is either a liar or delusional